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Posted by: sixaddict Dec 21 2012, 08:02 AM

I know this is pig-in a poke story
Looking to establish value of professionally built 1.7 to 2. liter motor. Also who is California based race shop owned by asian four cylinder guru...
Have no more info on engine sorry
Thanks
Terry

Posted by: sixaddict Dec 21 2012, 10:41 AM

I am surprised ....no opinions
complete with carbs....gut estimate is good !
Thanks

Posted by: biosurfer1 Dec 21 2012, 12:19 PM

this is the classifieds, post in the garage to get opinions

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 21 2012, 12:51 PM

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 01:07 PM

^ That explains this:



It is impossible to put a value on a rebuilt engine without knowing details of the build and builder reputation.

So, curious.... is he an Asian engine builder, or does he build Asian engines? I'm trying to figure out if we are supposed to recognize who he is by that, or if he specializes engines that are nothing like Type 4s.

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 21 2012, 02:21 PM

value of pro built 1.7 to 2.0 typr 4 motor. that would be between $10,000 and $15,000. labor rates in cal are around $100. per hour. a professional would require new heads, new p/c new exhaust and many new f/i components. parts and shipping would easily exceed $8,000. That does not allow a lot for labor and profit and takes time. the only way to do it cheaper is to rebuild 10 engines at a time and you could probably save $1,000. good luck finding 9 other guys willing to buy the other 9 engines

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 02:27 PM

Unless we still don't know the specs and builder reputation, saying it was built by a pro doesn't mean anything. If I had two seconds to decide between your unknown pro $15,000 engine and one of McMark's $5000 2056s, it would be a no brainer. I'm not a gambling man.

There are pros like Jake, FAT, and Motormeister. Then there's specs, and a bunch of other complete unknowns. I stick to my point: You can't place a value on this without the pertinent information.

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 21 2012, 02:35 PM

rand, he simply asked the value of a pro built motor, not the actual cost. i will stick with my 10 to 15 grand as value

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 02:40 PM

Ok, no dog in the fight or bones to pick.

Actually, I'm talking about value too.
Am I missing something, or does this make my point stronger?

Planning cost before building is a very calculated process.
But determining the value of an existing engine with so many unknowns is a complete mystery.

Posted by: Tom_T Dec 21 2012, 02:44 PM

Try emailing your question to FAT Performance out here in Orange CA - not an "Asian owner", but Ron the owner of FAT may know who you're asking about. They're website is online...

Posted by: sixaddict Dec 21 2012, 02:48 PM

Ok ...I know my post was inadequate but that was all I had ...Seller trying to get value for something no one has info on. Rand (and others make best point) no documentation no value. I'm done ...thanks

Everyone have a Merry and a Happy.

All the best !

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 02:52 PM

Hey Terry,

I antagonize sometimes, but I only hope to raise points that make people think.

Happy 12/21.

All the best to you and yours as well.

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 02:56 PM

Still a mystery cloak for me. Apparently I'm lame and not a local. I guess I should know who we are talking about because FAT Ron is an Asian???

(Not directed at you, Tom......... Just trying to figure out the Asian reference. Fuching cloakers can't speak straight up.)

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 21 2012, 03:02 PM

Damn! I'm not charging near enough for my engine builds

$15k that would be a nickies engine maybe even a /6 rebuild

MDG are you seeing this...we really don't have the price nailed down on your engine yet

Posted by: euro911 Dec 21 2012, 03:15 PM

Jake might charge you 10~15K for a motor, but that wouldn't be a stock motor.

A stock 1.7L or 2.0L from most professional builders would be much less ... I'd say 4~7K with a lot of new parts would be a more realistic number.

Posted by: sixaddict Dec 21 2012, 03:42 PM

Sorry guys but I do appreciate the points .....

I have been ringing my hands because seller is nice guy and I just can't rationalize his $$.
I have said ...if someone has a car for sale for 10K that is worth 3k and you get it for 5.....you have gotten a bad deal !

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 03:44 PM

Are you re-asking us to tell you that you have a diamond in the rust?

Stop wringing your hands. Buy it. Tell us about it later.

Posted by: monkeyboy Dec 21 2012, 04:17 PM

With the information you have given, I have to assume the worst. It's a core motor that may run. I'd pay no more than $500 for that.

If the seller can prove it's something more, the price goes up from there.

Posted by: Rand Dec 21 2012, 04:34 PM

You said "pig in a poke" in the OP.

What was the point of this thread?

Posted by: Al Meredith Dec 21 2012, 05:10 PM

I build about 2 engines a year, It takes me about 40 hours to dissassemble , clean, and reassemble a Ty4 engine . That is if you bring it to me and I don't have to measure anything , just put it together with new rings, brgs ETC. lapping valves , honing cylinders and so on is extra. Just an estimate.

Posted by: jimkelly Dec 22 2012, 07:06 AM

i'd agree with the mcmark 2056 comparision, making the engine in question certainly worth less than $5000, especially not knowing any details.

Posted by: mepstein Dec 22 2012, 09:08 AM

Here's the usual ad - Pro built engine. All the good stuff. Running condition when parked 10 years ago.

Posted by: Evil914 Dec 22 2012, 11:11 AM

I guess I'm in the wrong business being a marine mechanic as we only charge $78 an hour..........

Posted by: Randal Dec 22 2012, 11:37 AM

So what are Len Hoffman heads, nickies, ceramic lifters, billet cranks and rods going for these days?

Posted by: Cracker Dec 22 2012, 04:40 PM

Terry,

My "Pro Built" 2356 cc type 4 cost about $10,500 and that was with the engine core
being supplied. All the good stuff in it (JE Pistons, Forged Rods, etc). FAT built it but was
not an all out race engine. It was rated at 165 hp and built for reliability.

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 22 2012, 06:15 PM

I"ll stick to my $10 to 15 grand value. If you go back and read the question he asked for the value of a pro built engine. an engine is from air filter to tailpipe. a professional would not be able to warranty an engine unless he did the tuning himself. I see some quotes for a longblock @ 6900 addf/i and exhaust and labor to assemble and tune and what do you get. Just because a guy sells longblocks for a little over $5,000 doesnt mean you will have a car you can count on to drive everyday.

Posted by: rjames Dec 22 2012, 11:20 PM

Is there a point to this thread?

Posted by: Evil914 Dec 23 2012, 05:31 AM

My point would be that I'll laugh at your $15k motor as I blow past with my roller cam,roller rocker,forged pistoned 7500 rpm 302 Chevy built for less than 4 grand.I love the concept of the 914 but it's insane to put out that kind money to produce so little performance.And no,I didn't chop up a virgin 914 to build my V8 car,I bought a car that had already been modified.But to each his own,if I had the money I'd love to have a 914/6 but I'm very happy with the bang for the buck from a V8.Just my two cents..........

Posted by: Randal Dec 23 2012, 03:43 PM

Sorry off topic (but): Bring that puppy up to Cascade Lakes and run with us; I get tired of being the only 914 there. It would be a big V8 against a 4... or if that's boring chase the purpose built hill climb cars.

Posted by: tomeric914 Dec 23 2012, 04:20 PM

I love the term "Pro Built". Let's look up the meaning of 'Professional"

pro·fes·sion·al [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] - following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

So someone built an engine and got paid for it. That's all "Pro Built" means to me.

MotorMeister is a group of "Professionals" and could be considered "Pro Built" as well. They may build a decent motor once in a great while out of pure luck, but the rest are garbage.

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 06:40 PM

So you NOW challenge the definition of professional. I have both the balls and the brains to answer the question, you can only keep changing the question. What do you have to add to the discussion. please, for the benifit of all, do not respond unless you can add something btw where did you get that weak def of professional because the one i have is 4 pages long

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 06:59 PM

Evil 914 I have no doubt that your hot rod would blow my poor little 2.0 $15000. motor away in a straight away drag strip situation but you are too scared to rece kanan rd and mulholland, no? see you manana 101 and kanan rd 6am

Posted by: tomeric914 Dec 23 2012, 07:27 PM

Well, ok Mr. 12 posts, if you must ask http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/professional?s=t

Not sure what the hell you're referencing with respect to changing the question, but let's see all the wisdom in your 4 page definition.

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 07:29 PM

evil 914, sorry i did not realise your from texas. you can run a red at 100 with impunity. 914 irrevalent

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 07:40 PM

tomeric914 I DARE YOU TO GO BACK AND READ THE ORIGINAL QUESTION

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 07:43 PM

TOMERIC what is your answer to the original question. you have nothing to add so shut up moron

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 07:59 PM

the whole point of this thread is that the value of a 914 1,7 to 2.0 is 10 to 15 grand. we could debate every word in the question untill we sadly agree that is between 10 and 15 gr

Posted by: jwc914 Dec 23 2012, 08:00 PM

HOW ABOUT $10 and $15,000.

Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 23 2012, 08:13 PM

uh oh, internet tuff guy alert....

IBLT

Posted by: Gint Dec 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Sixaddict, you got some opinions.

JWC914, Forum rules. No name calling. Let's not see that again please.

This thread is done.