To make it a little more clear, current prices for my conversions.
Ready to Install, complete pair of signal housings. $280.00 plus shipping.
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This shot gives a good idea of how much light a 7.5 watt bulb can make. Originally the cars used a 6 watt bulb which will fit this socket, I use a 7.5 as it is the most available bulb, and resonably priced. Original type bulbs can be found in a Salvage Yard, try BMW makes. I found a couple, and are still in my Orange car....they may have been the reverse lights, 3 or 5 Series. Not sure.
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Pretty Cool !!!!!
I'll take 1 complete set and 1 DIY if you have them available.
Please let me know.
Thanks Martin.
Mike
Mike Thank You! I can make the refractors in an evening. I just came up from the Garage, I do not have two sockets, I need to order some. Normally take a couple of days from the supplier.
Martin
Hey Sixer, Thanks for the kind words!
I'll send you a PM, these'll go great with my car.
Hey Martin,
I'd like to do this when I get through the engine conversion, and will probably want to ship my housings to you. Would you be willing to do it that way?
Very cool mod!
Thanks!
pete
Very interesting. Does this require a special lense? Will this fit in a Medium USPS box?
Thanks
David
When I started making these, I would make a set for three pairs in trade, send me three sets, I send you back a restored set, I kept two sets to restore/sell, which worked OK, but many that I recieved were unusable, corroded, bent, missing parts, etc. I still have all the rejects in a box, big box. I have given up on that method, as one persons idea of usable may be very different from someone else's. I can't sell to someone a housing thats been crushed, or so corroded that the terminal cap has no lugs to retain it. One guy sent me six housings, and all six were unusable. So Yes, by ALL means, if you have nice housings and want them done, I will do them, here, and insure you get back what you sent. I have seen a few where the original finish still looks great, and if they do, I do not paint them. Just install a refractor and wire them. I am nearly out of useable housings, so for me, doing yours (Pete, or anyone else!)is a better deal. Before you send, look to see that the contour of the sides of the housing have a unifom shape, the housing is not cracked from someone screwing in the retaining stud to far into the housing. Seen a few of those. Inspect the area where the electrical terminal cap is, to insure the lugs that retain the white terminal cap, can be re-installed and secured.
No special lense, only a normal Euro lense is required. What you see here is an exact copy of what the factory did.
Martin
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Thank you to both of the buyers for these two sets, I will start tonight on two more sets, plus a display set for the swap meet. Also, if you bought a set of these from me in the past, and would like to have the refractors polished, its do able. PM me, it would not be that much work. It really makes a difference. FYI, 5 pairs of sockets are on the way.
Martin
I'm interested if any are still available
Thanks
David
Begin another pair tonight. I will make one set of those for you if you like.
Martin
PM sent
interested in a set. can you PM me your phone # so we can hook up at the swap meet?
i need to check my stash and see if i have any i can trade in.
thanks
Kent
Martin Baker,
I ended up doing something like what you have done except not to the extent that you did. I bought a kit from Auto Atlanta which uses the 194 bulb at the time I was doing my Euro lense conversion and I had a friend of mine one night design the upper shield that slid onto the two lips inside the turn signal housings to keep light from going into the turn signal area with a piece of flat stock aluminium with a high polish on one end to redirect the light. If I knew that you had build shields for the bulb I would have come to you. Oh well. Great job on making those by the way.
This is what I did. What do you think?
Before
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After
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the little shield my friend and I made (fits right into the curvature of the lense)
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Looks good, I wanted to stay away from aluminum, and wanted to equal, or exceed the factory part. I silver solder together all the components in the refracter assembly, which will not have a ground issue in the future that aluminum might/will, but its not hard to make these yourself. I have become proficiant in the process, so I do some now and again, and its nice to provide a good part for the car that I love so much, and make some friends along the way. My 914 2.0, 914/6 GT and my 914/6 GT SONAUTO Replica mean very much to me! Not sure what I would do without them! NOW, that is a little twisted!
Martin
I only used the aluminum for the shield itself. I have the bulb grounded through the lower turn signal lense screw if you look at the after picture, you can see the wire from the bulb kit. I have a 74 1.8L myself, my father is still the original owner, but now I drive, maintain and show the car. Keep up the good work. I will get a picture of my entire set up.
I will have another set of these complete tomorrow. I just have to wire them up.
$200.00 shipped.
Thanks.
MB
(Photo taken in 1974, car was new. Friend, on the right, sent it to me. Gotta LOVE the 70's!)
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Pm sent.
Thanks. Replied, and awaiting your usable housing.
Here they are, ready to be shipped. New bulbs included.
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Martin's set is top notch and he's a great guy to deal with. Count me as a very satisfied customer.
Pm coming
OK first, THANKS Mike! I will take a pat on the back. I try my best. Every set of these I convert, I would use on my own car, and I want everyone to be satisfied when the install is finished..
Second, these are sold pending payment. Thank you, Dave for that.
I also sold a DIY set, so I will get those finished up tomorrow. Had to order parts.
Again thanks.
MB
If you happen to do another set I would like to have a set please!
Martin, if/when you have a DIY kit, I would like to purchase one.
BTW, have the euro lenses only exist as orange tint or are there red ones?
Thanks.
I have never seen red in my life, could be custom,
& I sent you a PM.
Responded. Thanks.
Here is the photos for the DIY folks, thanks to them. I will start by saying this, don't wire up the socket with the type 89 bulb in the socket. You will need the slack in the wire or it could break under tension.
To start remove the housings wire terminal white cap. Use a long flat object to pop it off, to be 100% honest, I use a large flat file. It works perfect. Be very gentle, this plastic is old. And brittle. Take your time. Work it a little all the way around the circumference, not all at once, or it will break. You can also put a little heat on it with a heat gun to make it a little more pliable. USE COMMON SENSE.
Before the refractor is seated you will need to stretch the insulation on the wire. Do this with the tip of your index and thumb of both hands. It will get hot if you do it right. It needs to be thinner to fit the pins that retain it in the housing. Grab it at the base of the socket and stretch it toward the end. It will fit between the retaining pins much better.
Run the wire through the slot forward of the socket for the 1157 bulb.
Set the refractor in the housing. It should fit tight. If its a little loose in your housing, squeeze it a bit to get a better fit. I have a housing here I use to fit everyone, it is undamaged. They are all a bit different after 40 years.
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After the refractor is set in place, with the bulb removed, set the power wire. I use the big end of a valve core tool. You do not want to nick the wire. AVOID sharp tools.
If you damage the wire it will short against the housing. Start at the refractor end, keeping just a bit of tension on the wire, so it stays nice and straight down the run, don't make it like a guitar string.
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So now, your refractor is set, tight, wire is placed in the three set of retainers. Next flip the housing over to trim excess wire. Leave about an inch or a little more. Not much more.
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So now this is the important stuff. You will cut terminal 57 on the terminal cap. Of course you will have had to removed that earlier. It will look like this. MAKE SURE YOU CUT THE 57 TERMINAL. The BL terminal is Blinker. 31 is the ground.
The terminal seen here is really bad, hopefully yours are better. You can repair them, but having a spare or two is a good thing.
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With the 57 terminal cut as shown, and your wire cut and striped back just slightly, use a soldering iron to tin both. Its critical. In the photo here I cut back to much insulation. I redid this but did not re take the photo. You want insulation down right to the solder joint. If you don't, it will cause an internal short.
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Next solder up your connection. The direction you come in is critical. Be careful of the plastic on the terminal cap. Don't melt it. Come in from behind the rivet holding the 57 terminal. Use a heat sink, like my extra hands. Once connected, I use a small rubber hammer to tap the terminal back on to the housing. Be gentle, use common sense here as well. Just tap it on, and work your way around. Pay attention to the wire, as it will need to remain clear of the remaining terminal inside for the 1157 bulb. See photo. You will notice the wire is not set in the photo, its because this unit will eventually be sold. I used it for demo only.
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I test every unit I build here before I send them out. I use a 12 volt power supply. Hook up to the 31 terminal for ground. The BL will be the 20 watt side of the 1157 bulb. The 57 terminal will be the 7.5 watt 89 bulb in the refractor I built and you just installed. If you have any questions. I will help you.
MB
I honestly didn't know it was that complex to do. Thank you for posting clear instructions.
I have multiple cores now, (Thanks Al) and will have some of these ready for purchase soon. Al, your two pair are in work, and will be first!
MB
Looking for a set, the PO had installed euro lenses but the buckets remained stock.
Please PM if a set is still available.
Cheers
DIY worked out great, thanks for the details, and the product.
PM sent
Martin, is this a service you plan to offer for awhile?
Reason I'm asking is that I'm out of the country currently but would like to get you to upgrade my housings that are in excellent shape later this Spring.
I'm doing the LED's on the rear lights for increased visibility, but your treatment looks great for the front.
Thx
Been busy this week! Thanks to everyone! Sticker reads,
RACECAR Spelled backwards is RACECAR.
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Here is what I will ship today, I am caught up! (For Now)
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They look great! I hope the two loose reflectors are headed my way.
Jeff B
They look amazing, can't wait to bolt on our set
ordered a set of these from martin and he turned them around in a reasonable time and they look great. will install at a later date but very pleased! cool to have members like him on this site.
Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate that! I took longer to do yours than normal, as I am trying to get my car prepped for the CSRG season opener at Sears Point, on the 1st 2nd 3rd of April. If anyone's in the area, or attending the event, please stop by and say "Hello" I'll be running in Group 8!
I have several mods that I've done to the car over the winter that should make a difference in lap times. Can't wait to try them out. DOT R tires for one.. Coming off bias-ply , it should be a rocket. If you bought a set of signals for me any profit I made went into the mods. I can guarantee you that. So everybody that bought something from me, help put the car where it is today. Thanks for the support in a roundabout way.
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Great job on the lamps Martin !
What is the wheel / tire size combination on the rear of your car ?
Spacers, offset ?
Thank you
Rory
Again, thanks for the kudos on my conversions, compliments are always good for the soul, in this thankless world! On to the fun stuff!
Tires are the Toyo R888, P235/50/15. After finding out the many modern type DOT R tires are on the approved list for SVRA and CSRG, I took off the Hooiser Street TD I had been running, FUN, but not fast, compared to the DOT R rubber. I wasn't sure these tires would fit the back of my car, and I had always stuck with a 225 size in the width spectrum. It was a close fit, without rubbing. I, more or less have rolled the dice here, and when I picked them up after mount/balance, I was sure I had come up short on my gamble. I was already trying to work the logistics of a second set of R888 rear tires in the 225 width, which they also make. They are a little shorter. I installed and did a suspension compression check with close fit, but no rubbing in the normal travel area. Drove it around the block, it all seems to work now, but I will know more after the first practice next Saturday! I have a feeling I will need to adjust the front bar setting, as I am sure these tires will bring some push into the mix. The first session will be info overload, with the multiple changes over the Winter, tires, transmission, rear brakes(PMB Alloy 914/6 GT Rears, from a spaced 4 cylinder caliper), IDT3C Webers (the economy Weber, 911T,914/6) converted to IDAs (the performance Weber, 911S), by Paul Abbot (Performance Oriented) up in Chico (who I believe, will be attending), with a more race type set up. If you have questions about your Webers, Paul is the guy. He lives Weber carbs. Too many changes at once really, but, you know how that goes! All for a few seconds on a piece of paper, and a little bragging from a good friend and his Alfa GTV, which rubbed me the wrong way! Action must be taken!
One thing for sure is the car now looks like a drag car from behind. Those tires are huge!
Martin: What is your turn around time for a set of fronts if you receive the buckets in decent shape? I am going on the Route 66 and would hate to have to use flashlights on the front of my car if I got caught in a turnaround time delay issue..
Alternative: Can a buyer pay the 200, then exchange the existing (good) buckets for a refund of "core charges" so that I am not out of luck if there is a delay in production??
thanks
Thanks a lot for the inquiry. I do not provide the lenses as I am not able to get any kind of good deal on them. I'm not an actual licensed business, or a distributor or anything of that sort. I would have to buy them, just like you would and then I would have to provide them to you at my cost. It would actually cost you more in the end. Hope this makes it a little bit more clear. Thank you again..
Martin,
I would like to order a pair of these euro light housings from you.
I recently got a price from Italy for NOS Euro housings and I nearly fainted !
My May 1970 914-6 already has the Euro lenses.
My aim is to have the side lights re wired to connect with the indicator lights.
I would like to throw these side lights away as far as possible but it would leave a hole in the fenders.
The Italian seller has given me instructions how to do this.
I believe the Danish & Italian 914s had this arrangement.
Please PM the cost of shipping to Sydney Australia by regular air mail.
Pay Pal ?
Cheers
Dennis
Martin:
I am back in town now and would like to send you my set of front turn signals for you to convert.
Are you still doing this service?
If yes, where do I send the housings and how do I pay you?
PM is fine....
Back in California! PM replied to and I will get that shipping quote this week.
MB
Martin,..could you wire the buckets up,...and make the round fender running light blink as well,..??? Thanks FM
Yes of course, with the miracle of electrical wiring you could make this bulb illuminate when signaling, but of course you would lose its function as a sidemarker, as it would only illuminate when signaling, due to the fact that the original bulb is single filament type. You would have to modify the housing to accept a bulb with one that will perform the role that is a dual-element bulb. One side to illuminate as a parking light and one to illuminate as the signaling light. It's possible that the correct bulb may exist to make it perform both roles but you would need to modify the receptacle for the side marker housing for a dual-element connection. Not worth all the work for a light that most would rather see eliminated off the car anyway. I'm quite sure when the German Engineers put the side marker light on the 914 they made it is ugly as possible since it was a US regulation. Anyone could have designed a more aesthetically pleasing design than that. It had to be made ugly on purpose. And ugly it is.
Little update for folks expecting, here's where I am, finally had a weekend, I have a full time gig, so this is a hobby for those who did not know.
DIY will ship tomorrow, and the complete will ship Tuesday. I have 1 conversion which should also ship Monday. I only have a couple of good housings remaining, so IF your were considering buying a set outright, I would make that move.
MB
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Little update for folks expecting, here's where I am, finally had a weekend, I have a full time gig, so this is a hobby for those who did not know.
DIY will ship tomorrow, and the complete will ship Tuesday. I have 1 conversion which should also ship Monday. I only have a couple of good housings remaining, so IF your were considering buying a set outright, I would make that move.
MB
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Thx for the great conversion work you do. Sent you PP for my completed housings. -DougS (Boring)
Thanks allot Doug! I appreciate it. His set was a really good example of a set that shouldn't really be restored. They had good original surface remaining inside so I just added the refractor. Then wired it up. This is what I did to one of my cars. It's pretty rare to find a set of housings in good shape like this.
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Martin,
are DIY kits still available?
Hi Martin
Me too, Are DIY kits still available ?
Rory
Hey folks, have not looked at this stuff for a while. I will take a look to see what I have parts wise, and let everyone know, including PMs. I am sure I don't have any serviceable housings. I may have some sockets, as I did order quite a few last year.I will report back ASAP...
MB
Martin....you need to buy this.
For $250, you get a bunch of housings.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=307038
OK, so I have one set of sockets in my box of signal stuff, so I will have to order parts.
Crickets,,,,no parts ordered.
I would like to order a DIY kit. PM sent.
Thanks,
Scott
Semi-Hijack,
Who owns the orange car on page one of this thread?
The example car
thank you
-Andrew
I have my housings out and would like to have the conversion done by you. I can PayPal you or send you a personal check with the housings, your choice. What is the mailing address and what is the turn around time?
beautiful car! -
also would like a DIY kit for the euro conversion of signal lights- I have already purchased and installed very nice buckets. if I had known about this a couple months ago I would have bought the whole thing- .
Phil
Fan of your fine example as well Pete. Took this at RS IV before we met.
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Martin,
Are you coming out to Rennsport this year?
Cheers,
Dominic
I have had a couple PMs about these recently. I have taken a lengthy break from all things automotive, which I enjoyed thoroughly. However, I can make these again, kits and complete restorations of the housings. I still have several complete originals to work with, if you need them.
MB
Bought the base kit from Martin,top notch and fitted well
count me in for a pair of the inserts! thx
Hi guys,
Does anyone know if Martin is still around? Or is anyone selling a kit they don't need?
I would be up for a couple of kits myself.
Guess we need to hear from Martin
thanks
Andy
I use to hear from Martin quite a bit.. I have not lately but I thought he told me he got a different job last we talked.
I have a project going and am very interested in a set of Martin's Euro Front indicator housings. Is Martin Still doing these?
Thanks, I have found another solution.
So I have not been on here in a few years...and I apologize if you sent me a PM and I did not respond. I have not read all of them yet. Trying to clean up my garage from some stuff I no longer need, so I am currently making the last 11 pairs of these I will ever make, to get rid of the last usable signal housings I have. I have a box of junk ones that I am going to toss. They will be $280.00 plus shipping per pair. I am sorry about the price, however the sockets almost doubled in price, as well as the bulbs. I have no control over this, and just bought what I needed to finish these 11 pairs. One of the 11 pairs is spoken for already. I will no longer do the conversions, or sell the kits I spoke of in this thread. Sorry.
Thanks.
MB
So. looks like I had some fake PMs about buying signals, as the username is actually in the site scam thread, so whoever actually wanted to purchase, let me know, so I can plan for the actual numbers that are sold. One set has shipped, others ready to ship.
MB
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PM sent. I'd like a pair
Chris
These units are awesome. I have a pair and even considered buying an extra set just to have.
Thanks for the compliment!
Quick update for the folks who committed to a pair, I will hit them hard this weekend, and hope to complete orders that have been paid, and those requests which are verbal as well. I will get photos out to everyone before I ship them, so you can approve the work. Its fine if you change your mind by the way, no rush on my end to get them all sold. Thanks much!
MB
First row are all sold, the back four pairs are available. These should ship Tues, I will wire them tomorrow night, get them out Tues, unless an unforseen event occurs, life is unpredictable as we all know!
MB
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I will take a pair please.
thanks,
dug
PM Sent.
Thanks!
Chris
pm'd
I’d like to claim the last set Martin. These look wonderful…
Ok, all PMs replied to...that's them all sold. Thanks very much to all the buyers over the years. I do have two sets that I may put together, still trying to decide. The housings are not so good. Again thanks..
MB
Any thoughts on using customer provided housings? I think this mod would be pretty cool with Spokeworks LEDs!
Martin's work is the best - I bought 2 sets of these from him and couldn't be happier.
Thanks Mark! Thanks for your, and all the other compliments...as far as LED lighting and the 914, I'm not familiar. Sounds like a fun project for someone! I have to many projects that I WILL never finish, but I would like too! No more incoming projects for me!!!
MB
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