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914World.com _ FS/WTB: 914 Parts _ SOLD: Porsche 7x16 Fuchs Alloy Wheels
Posted by: Coloradocurt Feb 24 2017, 11:14 AM
SOLD SOLD SOLD
Up for sale is a pair (2) Porsche Fuchs Alloy wheels in the 7x16 ET23 size. These are in amazing original condition, have zero curb rash, and I’d dare say that other than ones that are new or professionally restored, you’re not going to find any nicer. The Part Number is 951.362.115, and while these came off of a 944 Turbo, they will also fit on a 911 as well as on a 914 which has been converted to 5-lug hubs.
The price is $800 USD and FedEx shipping to CONUS is $50.
Posted by: colingreene Feb 24 2017, 11:58 AM
Well thats tempting, anyone want to buy a pair of these and split it up with me?
Posted by: johnhora Feb 24 2017, 02:14 PM
PM sent...
Posted by: Coloradocurt Feb 24 2017, 02:48 PM
I've been requested for photos of the back sides of the paddles showing the part numbers and size stampings. Here they are:
Posted by: RichPugh Feb 25 2017, 04:48 PM
Well thats tempting, anyone want to buy a pair of these and split it up with me?
This is only for a pair... You need 4, 2 or 1?
Posted by: Coloradocurt Feb 25 2017, 05:58 PM
Well thats tempting, anyone want to buy a pair of these and split it up with me?
This is only for a pair... You need 4, 2 or 1?
I picked up a set of 4 of these plus a pair of 8x16's. The 8's will go onto the back, two of the 7's (being restored with anodized paddles) go onto the front, and these that I'm selling are the best two of the 7's.
Posted by: Coloradocurt Feb 26 2017, 03:44 PM
And BTW, the centers are the original unretouched paint: I just “spiffed” them up a bit by applying some of Meguiar’s Detailer Tire & Trim Gel.
Posted by: colingreene Feb 27 2017, 10:45 AM
If its priced for only 2 im out.
Posted by: Coloradocurt Feb 27 2017, 06:32 PM
Quality's not usually cheap! As I said, other than ones that are new or professionally restored, you’re not going to find any nicer.
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 5 2017, 07:25 AM
Just put onto eBay.
Posted by: pete-stevers Mar 5 2017, 03:29 PM
Is it just me...or do these look like coveted 944 7s?
Posted by: mepstein Mar 5 2017, 03:54 PM
Is it just me...or do these look like coveted 944 7s?
951 = 944 wheels. It's the 8's that the 911 guys want. They have the correct offset to fit on a narrow body car.
Posted by: pete-stevers Mar 5 2017, 08:49 PM
Is it just me...or do these look like coveted 944 7s?
951 = 944 wheels. It's the 8's that the 911 guys want. They have the correct offset to fit on a narrow body car.
And the 7s fit a narrow 914
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 6 2017, 06:07 AM
Is it just me...or do these look like coveted 944 7s?
EXACTLY!! As I said in my initial post, ".......these came off of a 944 Turbo,....."
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 7 2017, 10:57 AM
If interested or have questions, my email address is Coloradocurt@gmail.com
Posted by: gearjam Mar 7 2017, 08:21 PM
If interested of have questions, my email address is Coloradocurt@gmail.com
Hello and wondering if these 7x16 are different offset than all the other 911 7x16 wheels?
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 8 2017, 06:28 AM
If interested of have questions, my email address is Coloradocurt@gmail.com
Hello and wondering if these 7x16 are different offset than all the other 911 7x16 wheels?
Yes, most definitely! That's why they're so desirable for use on the rear of 914's with stock fenders.
Posted by: twistedstang Mar 8 2017, 12:32 PM
I'm still confused. These wheels are an ET 23.3 offset. I was under the impression this was the same offset as all 7*16 Fuchs. I remember reading the 951 wheels had more room for bigger brakes.
Posted by: burton73 Mar 8 2017, 02:01 PM
I'm still confused. These wheels are an ET 23.3 offset. I was under the impression this was the same offset as all 7*16 Fuchs. I remember reading the 951 wheels had more room for bigger brakes.
I have a set of 7 and 8 s 944 turbo with 951 numbers and I measured them and looked at them. They where the same as the 911 numbers in size and offset on the 7inch size. Plus both are 15 ¾ or so inside dimension. I have a set of 7 inch 911 numbers. They are not for sale. This was easy for me to do, as they are 20 ft. from my office with both sets have no tires on. My guess is the factory ordered wheels in sets so they would be matched.
Bob
Posted by: mepstein Mar 8 2017, 02:07 PM
I'm still confused. These wheels are an ET 23.3 offset. I was under the impression this was the same offset as all 7*16 Fuchs. I remember reading the 951 wheels had more room for bigger brakes.
I have a set of 7 and 8 s 944 turbo with 951 numbers and I measured them and looked at them. They where the same as the 911 numbers in size and offset on the 7inch size. Plus both are 15 ¾ or so inside dimension. I have a set of 7 inch 911 numbers. They are not for sale. This was easy for me to do, as they are 20 ft. from my office with both sets have no tires on. My guess is the factory ordered wheels in sets so they would be matched.
Bob
I had always learned that all the 7x16 were the same, 8x16-951's are different offset and the 7x15R that is very special.
Posted by: burton73 Mar 8 2017, 05:12 PM
I'm still confused. These wheels are an ET 23.3 offset. I was under the impression this was the same offset as all 7*16 Fuchs. I remember reading the 951 wheels had more room for bigger brakes.
I have a set of 7 and 8 s 944 turbo with 951 numbers and I measured them and looked at them. They where the same as the 911 numbers in size and offset on the 7inch size. Plus both are 15 ¾ or so inside dimension. I have a set of 7 inch 911 numbers. They are not for sale. This was easy for me to do, as they are 20 ft. from my office with both sets have no tires on. My guess is the factory ordered wheels in sets so they would be matched.
Bob
I had always learned that all the 7x16 were the same, 8x16-951's are different offset and the 7x15R that is very special.
Yes but the 7 x 16 that came on a 944 Turbo have a 951 number not a 911 number.
Bob
Posted by: mepstein Mar 8 2017, 05:31 PM
I'm still confused. These wheels are an ET 23.3 offset. I was under the impression this was the same offset as all 7*16 Fuchs. I remember reading the 951 wheels had more room for bigger brakes.
I have a set of 7 and 8 s 944 turbo with 951 numbers and I measured them and looked at them. They where the same as the 911 numbers in size and offset on the 7inch size. Plus both are 15 ¾ or so inside dimension. I have a set of 7 inch 911 numbers. They are not for sale. This was easy for me to do, as they are 20 ft. from my office with both sets have no tires on. My guess is the factory ordered wheels in sets so they would be matched.
Bob
I had always learned that all the 7x16 were the same, 8x16-951's are different offset and the 7x15R that is very special.
Yes but the 7 x 16 that came on a 944 Turbo have a 951 number not a 911 number.
Bob
An early 914-4 steering wheel is the same as a 914-6 wheel other than a different part number 805 vs 806. Porsche changed part numbers on identical parts to identify the use. Pretty common.
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 9 2017, 09:37 AM
A lot of mis-information continues to float around about the 7x16 Fuchs alloys, but I think it's reasonable to believe the input from guys who have actually used the wheels in question on the back of stock-fendered 914's: The 951 series (from the 944's) will fit (with maybe a bit of rolling the fender lip) but there's no way the 911 series 7x16 is going to fit without some really serious pulling of the fenders. Anyone with actual experience have a contradiction of this?
I have seen some wheel stat sheets where both are shown to have a 23.3 offset, and that's what is stamped on the back of these wheels, but I would wager that actual measurement of both the 944 and 911 wheels would refute those offset figures being the same. On these wheels I'm selling I did actual measurements (to the outter lip) with the width at 7.625", the back spacing at 4.75" and the front spacing at 2.875". I doubt that the 911 series 7x16 Fuchs will have the same numbers.
Posted by: twistedstang Mar 9 2017, 12:14 PM
A lot of mis-information continues to float around about the 7x16 Fuchs alloys, but I think it's reasonable to believe the input from guys who have actually used the wheels in question on the back of stock-fendered 914's: The 951 series (from the 944's) will fit (with maybe a bit of rolling the fender lip) but there's no way the 911 series 7x16 is going to fit without some really serious pulling of the fenders. Anyone with actual experience have a contradiction of this?
I have seen some wheel stat sheets where both are shown to have a 23.3 offset, and that's what is stamped on the back of these wheels, but I would wager that actual measurement of both the 944 and 911 wheels would refute those offset figures being the same. On these wheels I'm selling I did actual measurements (to the outter lip) with the width at 7.625", the back spacing at 4.75" and the front spacing at 2.875". I doubt that the 911 series 7x16 Fuchs will have the same numbers.
So mathematically, your specs work out to a near perfect ET 23.3 at 4.75 backspacing (4.73 to be exact). I would be interested to see if a 911 wheel actually comes in at less backspacing.
Not trying to take your thread off in another direction. I would just like to see proof of the difference. I'm wishful that you're right. May save me some money on flares in the future.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 9 2017, 01:45 PM
This might help.
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Posted by: johnhora Mar 9 2017, 09:40 PM
here's a good site for fuchs info...
http://p101tv.com/fuchs_wheel_size_decoder.php
The Germans call the amount of positive offset "ET" (Einpress Tiefe).
also maybe this will help has the back space and off set...has the 951 8x16 wheel but not the 7x16 
Posted by: johnhora Mar 9 2017, 09:42 PM
Coloradocurt...nice set of wheels...good luck with the sale
Posted by: burton73 Mar 9 2017, 11:07 PM
I want to point out that I took my 951 Part number 7 x 16 and measured them from the area where the disk seats in the inside of the wheel to the outside rim. I used a tape measure and a metal yardstick. (I was also surprised) and then measured my 911 number 7 x 16 and they where the very same. I did not try it on my 951 number 8s. By the way the 8s look the very same from the outside as the 7s.
I bought all of these wheels for my 914-8
Also the car pictured in my avatar is not pulled and had 7sx 16 911 numbers wheels on the back and just had small tires on it.
Also guys want the 951 8s for 930 or turbo look fronts. I just sold a set of 8S to a guy for that.
Yes Coloradocurt your wheels are primo. Good luck with the sale.
Bob
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 10 2017, 05:02 AM
SOLD SOLD SOLD
Posted by: burton73 Mar 10 2017, 03:15 PM
Happy you sold the super clean wheels!
Maybe this should have been in a forum but it was bugging me so I measured the wheels so you guys could see what the offset was just in case you where looking for 951 7s. Because you thought the offset was different in the 7”
Trying to help out my 914 brothers.
Bob
Posted by: Coloradocurt Mar 11 2017, 12:39 PM
This might help.
I have that "Factory Wheel" spec sheet, and what brings into question its accuracy is that while both the 911 and 944 7x16 wheels are listed as having a 23.3 offset, the backspacing is listed as 112 for the 911 wheel but 138 for the 944 wheel. That can't be right!
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