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Posted by: Gigamight Oct 20 2009, 08:45 AM

So I'm searching for a 911 motor, and I come across an 84 and they want $400 for the motor.. woohoo right? Wellllll, they say someone put a 4 cyl "older vw motor in it". So what would anyone in their right mind put in a 911 that is an older 4 cyl vw motor? And is it possible that it could be worth anything? There is nobody in the place that knows anything about the motor.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Oct 20 2009, 09:16 AM

engine craps out, you'll put anything in there to keep running. and you can get 200hp VW engines, if you are willing to rebuild once a year or less.. type 1 engines CAN produce hp... for a while. and they are generally "cheap" to rebuild. I'd venture you can rebuild a type 1 150hp engine 3-4 times for the price of a 911 rebuild from a good mechanic.

would I do it? no. if I was going to put a type 1 in something to get it going I'd have been driving my 914 before now.

another possibility is they "think" it's an old vw motor and it's actually a 912 or 356 engine. at first glance under the hood they can be confused... people see the dog house and scream VW.

btw, I'm not an expert on anything but goofing off.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 20 2009, 10:35 AM

Huh. I was going to say it might be a 912E that came with a T4 until I re-read the post and saw it was an 84....

Well, I guess I said it anyway, didn't I.

Zach

Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 20 2009, 11:06 AM

My type one 2.0 Berg engine (120hp) has been chuging along for the last 18years and 70k miles..... I've pulled my 914 with it.


I bet it's got a WC engine in it

Posted by: type47 Oct 20 2009, 11:15 AM

sorry to hijack, but that is the ultimate picture!

Posted by: bandjoey Oct 20 2009, 12:29 PM

Sorry, but the Ultimate picture would have the 914 on jackstands on the trailer! (on the way to pick up mama from prison, etc, etc)
Bill

Posted by: zymurgist Oct 20 2009, 12:42 PM

David Allen Coe FTMFW!

Posted by: davep Oct 20 2009, 01:54 PM

It could be a 25 HP type 1, but until you get a serial # it could be anything.

Posted by: Gigamight Oct 20 2009, 03:11 PM

You're right, I need to get the serial from these guys. They are whining that "it's all wrapped up....." I'm thinking they don't want to sell the thing.

At this point, I'm thinking it could be darn near anything.

Heck, my car came with a type 3 that just wasn't hooked up.

Thanks guys.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Oct 20 2009, 03:15 PM

the number only tells you anything if it's built "stock" too...

Posted by: GeorgeRud Oct 20 2009, 04:48 PM

BTW, that combination was done by Porsche when they built the original 912 and later the 912E.

It won't be fast, but should be OK as a nice cruiser. Just think of it as a reversed engine swap.

Posted by: SLITS Oct 20 2009, 06:22 PM

A few people I know pulled the 912 engine (not the 912E) and replaced it with a Type 1 or a Type 4. The 912 didn't have enough to get out of it's own way.

They always kept the original 356/912 engine for purists.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Oct 20 2009, 08:37 PM

type 1 and the 356/912 engine aren't the same, but I've seen people put a type 1 in their place.

Posted by: Gigamight Oct 20 2009, 08:38 PM

Just for the record, I have a great 1.8 that I got from etcmss, but I am looking for a project engine to build up for an upgrade later down the line.

So anyways, out of curiosity, what other engines from what models will bolt up? I want to stay in the Porsche family, but I don't want to re-invent the car to make it work.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Oct 20 2009, 08:50 PM

define "bolt up"?

any type 4 will bolt up, any 6 up to a 3.2 (I think) will bolt up with a 6 conversion.

type 1 could be made to work, but why?

other than that you gotta go wasserpumper... which is SO not in the family


want easy bolt on hp? build that 1.8 into something with a Jake kit, or a McMark 2056.. hows that for keeping it in the family

Posted by: SLITS Oct 20 2009, 09:06 PM

The clutch and input spline can the problem with early Flat Sixes. Flat Sixes From '72 up, the input splining and diameter was changed for the 915 tranny. They also went from 215 mm clutch to the 225 mm.

Kennedy can make a flywheel to bolt up to most anything.

You will find finding engine tin, engine mounts and exhaust system to put a Type 4 in a bit difficult as it was only fitted to the 912E. There weren't a whole lot of them made.

Posted by: Gigamight Oct 20 2009, 09:13 PM

I have been thinking of something like the 2056, but I haven't found much info on power. If I do an upgrade, I really want a big HP jump over a stock type 4.

When I say "bolt on" I guess I mean I don't want to do anything as dramatic as a V8. No offense to the V8 guys, I just don't think I'm up to that challenge.

Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 20 2009, 09:19 PM

It's a kit car do a suby conversion.

Type 4 bring money or/6 bring more money!
Type one will still cost ya if done right.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Oct 20 2009, 10:06 PM

maybe I misunderstood. I was thinking of 914 bolt ups, not the 911. I knew about the flywheel conversion, that's just part of the 914 conversion I wasn't thinking about the 911 with the vw engine.

big hp for little money is either the suby or SBC. not in the family. for the 911... I couldn't feel right about anything but a flat 6 in there.

for a 914, I've gone back and forth... if you want the most hp for your money, then chebbie. but with all that extra weight and hp, you open up other cans of worms.... 1st the Cvs can't handle it, then the 901 can't, then ??? so, imo, a scoobie is probably a lot more practical to get "enough" hp for your money, without going crazy. as much fun as a 914 with a 396 would be...

but even then, we are talking 225 hp? certainly under 300... and a lot of work for that. figure out your "budget", add 25% and see what you can get and what you have to do for each one... I think you'd be looking at a suby @ 225 with a lot of fabbing, a raby kit at about 185, and he did the hard work for you.. or a cheap, budget 6 conversion where you get absolutely lucky on finding some cheap parts for less hp. the difference with the 6 is upgradability later... something to think about.


I love aircooled, personally... I'd like to drive a suby conversion, but I wouldn't make one myself, I don't think.

Posted by: charliew Oct 20 2009, 10:17 PM

200 is just about the minimum hp with a 2.0 turbo suby even with the stock ecu. With the later 2.5 turbos 225 is about the minimum with 17psi.

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Oct 20 2009, 11:15 PM

In the rain ........................