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Posted by: tradisrad Nov 27 2009, 06:15 PM
I was diging through my parts and came across this seat belt buckle holder:
so I decided to install it today I pulled back my carpet and found the factory holes"
Here is the belt in the holder:
I have two of these, does one go on the passanger side also? I am a bit lazy to go and pull up the carpet to find out. The car is a '70 and has early interior.
Posted by: smontanaro Nov 27 2009, 06:55 PM
My '70 /6 has them on both sides...
Posted by: silverteener Nov 27 2009, 07:13 PM
Interesting.. I just found 2 of these in one of my parts bins tonight. I was wondering what the hell they were for. Now I know! 
Posted by: markb Nov 28 2009, 12:49 AM
How cool! I learn something new every day.
Posted by: Gint Nov 28 2009, 07:57 AM
Never seen those before. My /6 didn't have them by the time I got it. That I remember anyway. I took the interior out at least 4 years ago.
Posted by: cwpeden Nov 28 2009, 02:07 PM
My 72 has them , 73 doesnt. Retractable belts in 73-on
Posted by: benalishhero Nov 28 2009, 05:29 PM
Man that looks handy. New to me.
Posted by: McMark Nov 28 2009, 10:44 PM
Is there a part number on it anywhere?
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Nov 28 2009, 11:01 PM
My 70/4 has only the one for the driver's belt. There are no holes drilled in the interior longitudinal on the passenger's side. Sadly, my buckle holder has cracked by all 4 mounting holes 'cause I was sloppy getting into and out of the car all these years. If anyone has an uncracked holder they would like to part with, I like to hear from them.
Paul
Posted by: 9146986 Nov 30 2009, 12:04 PM
AFAIK they are normally only on the driver's side.
Posted by: Gint Nov 30 2009, 12:12 PM
So is it riveted to the carpet then, or into the long?
Posted by: tradisrad Nov 30 2009, 10:50 PM
my car has 4 factory holes in the long on the driver side. I have not checked the passanger side yet.
I attached it using screws, but I probably used different screws than the factory.
No part number on it.
Posted by: type47 Dec 1 2009, 03:30 PM
PET figure 812-00 #14 lists a "holder" 914.803.141.10 not shown in the figure and 4 screws. Maybe your part?
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 1 2009, 03:37 PM
PET figure 812-00 #14 lists a "holder" 914.803.141.10 not shown in the figure and 4 screws. Maybe your part?
Nope, 914.803.141.10 is the retaining bar for the later model retractable seatbelts.
I wonder if this was a aftermarket part installed by the dealer?
Andy
Posted by: tradisrad Dec 2 2009, 09:40 AM
PET figure 812-00 #14 lists a "holder" 914.803.141.10 not shown in the figure and 4 screws. Maybe your part?
Nope, 914.803.141.10 is the retaining bar for the later model retractable seatbelts.
I wonder if this was a aftermarket part installed by the dealer?
AndyThe "factory" holes appear to have paint in them as if they were drilled before the tub was painted. I screwed it in place, but for all I know they may have been rivited.
I will check my passanger side this evening and if there are holes I'll post a picture.
Also for me to have the parts in my stash must mean that they came from another 14 that I had in the past. I think they may have been removed from my first 914 (which was wrecked in the early '90s).
I wonder if any other VW's used this part?
-Rob
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 2 2009, 11:25 AM
I just checked on my '70 /4 (No carpet, so that was easy) and neither side has any holes in the long where such a thing could be mounted.
I suspect they were dealer installed. Where's Bowlsby when you need him?
Andy
Posted by: mskala Dec 2 2009, 12:00 PM
I didn't find any such holes when I removed my carpet for repaint on my early '6.
Posted by: Gint Dec 2 2009, 05:54 PM
I'll look at the /6 tub tonight. Since it's still bare with fresh paint on it it should be easy. Provided I can maneuver in my tiny garage...
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Dec 5 2009, 10:56 PM
I'll look at the /6 tub tonight. Since it's still bare with fresh paint on it it should be easy. Provided I can maneuver in my tiny garage...
Removing upholstery, seats and carpets reveal this on driver's side ('70/4). Screws are original to car and went through carpet and fastened into long.
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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Dec 5 2009, 11:00 PM
Passenger side, rust holes yeah, but no holes for seat belt buckle holster....
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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 6 2009, 12:33 AM
Removing upholstery, seats and carpets reveal this on driver's side ('70/4). Screws are original to car and went through carpet and fastened into long.
Do you have a closeup of those holes? In the pic above, they look like they're punched ...
Andy
Posted by: tradisrad Dec 6 2009, 12:46 PM
No holes on my passanger side.
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Dec 6 2009, 09:38 PM
AndyThis is another pic in my file, I'll keep looking but I don't think I have any "glamor" shots of the area in question.
Paul
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Posted by: number6 Dec 9 2009, 01:01 AM
Wohoo! I have one, too. Never noticed it before, so thanks OP! Learn something new every day.
Mine's only on the driver side ('70 -6). My passenger seat butts right up to the inner long, so I don't think the factory would've put one on that side. But what do I know...
Posted by: McMark Dec 9 2009, 11:47 AM
Andy's six tub doesn't have the holes.
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 9 2009, 11:55 AM
Andy's six tub doesn't have the holes.
And neither does my '70 /4 ...
Which makes me think those were probably aftermarket items installed by dealers.
Andy
Posted by: Gint Dec 9 2009, 12:24 PM
I still haven't looked at mine yet. Too cold out there... 
Posted by: Michael N Apr 28 2010, 12:18 PM
After seeing a belt holder in the classifieds I thought I'd go out and see if I had the holes. I found the actual clip hanging by one of the four screws and the other 3 screws still in the remaining holes but not in the holder. It appears that the original screws were about #6 size oval head screws. I could not find one on the passenger side as the fixed passenger seat is tight to the long. I did not realize these were made of plastic. No part # on the holder.
Posted by: SirAndy Aug 2 2010, 12:26 PM
Found one more on a 1970 factory all original /6 ...
Andy
Posted by: jaxdream Aug 2 2010, 03:16 PM
These would be great made from stainless , unless we can get mikey to make some up ??
Jack / Jaxdream
Posted by: Jasfsmith Aug 3 2010, 08:16 AM
Both my Euro -6 and US -4 (both MY 70) had them on the driver side only. Secured by oval head phillips screws. No holes located in the passenger side longs.
Posted by: tradisrad Aug 3 2010, 08:23 AM
so do we know if this is factory?
Posted by: Socalandy Aug 3 2010, 09:01 AM
None in my 70 /6 but I would buy a set if Mikey makes some!!
Posted by: smontanaro Aug 3 2010, 11:46 AM
So does the fact that my /6 has holders on both sides mean it's more valuable??? 
Posted by: SirAndy Aug 3 2010, 12:50 PM
So does the fact that my /6 has holders on both sides mean it's more valuable???
No. It means that the DAPO or dealer drilled holes in your perfectly fine longs to add two pieces of aftermarket plastic.
Your car just lost at least $1k in value ...
Andy
Posted by: GeorgeRud Aug 19 2011, 04:12 PM
My 1970 914-6 (#611, February 1970 build) does not have the holes. I also wonder if this was an aftermarket item. It should show up on a parts book if it was original.
Posted by: sixerdon Aug 21 2011, 07:25 AM
I checked out my two '70 /6's and two '71 /4 parts cars yesterday. The two '71's have the holes and one of them still had the holder in place never having been removed with the original carpet. Of the two /6's, the earliest, 0137 (01/70) did not have it. However, 0876 (03/70) did have the holes. I know of two other /6's built prior to 0876 that do not have the holes.
I'm not yet convinced these were aftermarket although it is possible. This needs more input from owners of '71 & '72 cars with the floppy belts. If they have the holes, then it must be a factory installation. I have a friend who is an original owner of a '71 /4. I will look into it when I get a chance.
As I remember back in the day, the 3 point belt was still a relatively new safety item being an improvement over the lap belt. I also remember the vast majority of drivers never bothered wearing them anyway. At least half the cars on the road back then never had any restraints. Many that did were aftermarket installations.
We need more input.
Don
Posted by: burton73 Aug 21 2011, 11:21 AM
I checked out my two '70 /6's and two '71 /4 parts cars yesterday. The two '71's have the holes and one of them still had the holder in place never having been removed with the original carpet. Of the two /6's, the earliest, 0137 (01/70) did not have it. However, 0876 (03/70) did have the holes. I know of two other /6's built prior to 0876 that do not have the holes.
I'm not yet convinced these were aftermarket although it is possible. This needs more input from owners of '71 & '72 cars with the floppy belts. If they have the holes, then it must be a factory installation. I have a friend who is an original owner of a '71 /4. I will look into it when I get a chance.
As I remember back in the day, the 3 point belt was still a relatively new safety item being an improvement over the lap belt. I also remember the vast majority of drivers never bothered wearing them anyway. At least half the cars on the road back then never had any restraints. Many that did were aftermarket installations.
We need more input.
Don
914-6 #41 has the 4 holes on the driver’s side only. These are very clean holes. I am sure that there was a drilling jig set up for them. Note: My car had carpet and the part was not there when I got my car, just the holes!
Bob Burton
Bob Burton
Posted by: Al Meredith Aug 21 2011, 11:44 AM
I have 1970 6 # 1937 it has all the carpet out because it has been media blasted . It too has the 4 holes on the driver's side only. I have the plastic "holder" in a box somewhere , I think I have several. Remember the 70's had a non-movable passenger seat so the belt could not get hung up on that side. AL
Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 28 2011, 06:22 PM
Installed on my '70/4 (but all 4 screw hole corners are cracked) 
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