1975 914 Automatic...original paint and in amazing shape, ithe interior is in fantastic condition. The only area that needs adressing are a few spots of surface rust on the fenders, trunks, hell hole, longs are perfect.
I just couldn't resist....when I saw this car come up for sale by the owner who has had it for the last 8 years, I had to buy it. When the second owner's, husband passed, the surving wife drove the car for years. As she could no longer continue to manage a clutch car, she paid a Porsche shop to convert it to an automatic using an Audi transmission.
After receiving pictures from the owner, I couldn't believe how nice the the car was for the price. It wasn't until I went to see it was I shocked at the professional job the shop did converting it to an automatic. Other than the shift mechanism in the car the rest of it looks like it belongs. I'll have to massage the shifter look in the car, but other than that. I'm not to sure what I'm going to do with the car, but for now fix the little rust and drive it??
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Mark - How about documenting what was done to make it the automatic. That is really interesting!
Wow...thats cool...any idea what Audi trans they used? that looks really good....
Steve
Wow indeed! Details! I agree that it would be interesting to see *how* they managed it.
Is that the one from Los Osos that Franz did?
I'm curious how it drives too? How does the gearing feel? The whole console sits a little to high for my taste. Still for something that wasn't original . Not to bad
Very cool ! Is the mechanic that did the install still around ? I noticed those late bumpers don't have the mini tits, is there a metal bar with shocks behind the rubber ?
Intersting enough, this conversion was done about 10 years ago and has been driven ever since up to about a year ago.
If it's light engough when I get home this week from work, I'll try to snap a couple pics of the conversion. They won't tell the story enough but it's a start. I know the 914 community could benefit from a "how to, what parts to use" conversion write-up, so as time passes I'll try to accumulate as much info as possible with part/application numbers as pass that along. I don't want to pull the tranny at this point to discover the flywheel setup, but perhaps there's an inspection plate under there somewhere were a can take a peek.
Jim, I hadn't even noticed the mini tits not being there...good eye. I don't see any holes but? Just picked-up the car yesterday, cleaned it a bit and did the full look over for rust, suspension etc etc check.
really cool imo. there are still people that would love to have a automatic 914 for a DD I'm sure, and this would help them out!
My 75 doesn't have the bumper tits they must have been a option.
For the t4 hp cars I bet the auto from the vw would work good. My friend used to drag race a 2100 t1 in a type 3 with a auto tranny. He still has it along with several auto trannys. They don't use a tranny cooler. I'm thinking the ring gear could be swapped since it's based on the t1 application. I'm sure the audi is a much stronger tranny though.
That console shifter looks to be from a Vanagon.
Neat find.
Ferg
The late 'bumper horns' were for the 75-76 cars delivered to the states of CA and MD only. This from the 1975 model year S&T manual:
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Awesome! Take some pics from the under side. I think we'd all like to see it.
Ok...crawled under the car tonight and took some pics the best I could. The shop used an Audi 5000 transaxle and as of this point this is what I belive the ratio to be.
1st = 2.71
2nd = 1.50
3rd = 1.00
Rev = 2.43
Final = 3.45
The only modificaton that invovled cutting, was due to starter location on an Audi transaxle...12:00. An inspection plate was installed in the trunk to gain the height for the starter.
Here's a rear shot
Motor mount
Passenger Side
Driver Side
ATF Filler tube going through backplate
Notice where they mounted the gauges...and checkout that pedal cluster. They must of wanted to make a wider brake pedal for the older lady who had the converion done for her.
Too dark to get a decent picture of the transaxle mating the motor...will have to wait.
Hey Mark, Looks Good. I wonder what knid of torque the Audi 5000 can handle? Put it to the test with a trans brake on the V-8 car.
BTW, my 76 has tits on the front but none on the rear?
Antominicly correct?
Sorry to be OT but thought I'd answer the question above. My '76 had tits front and back before the backdate. It's not a California car since it has a sticker stating that it is non cat equiped. No COA so don't know where it was from origionally.
It looks like the selector cable sheath is resting on the left CV
Cool find
very cool find!
Definitely cool. As I often illustrate to my passengers, the joy of a 914 isn't its acceleration, nor shifting it... it's tearing through the twisties with confidence.
How does the speedometer work? Weren't the originals driven by the mechanical speedo drive from the rear of the transmission?
I'd be replacing those tranny mounts ASAP
And maybe you can replace the Breadbox around the shifter with a 930 rubber boot
Cool. That inspection plate looks like a cut up 2.7 CIS airbox cover.
Is that bolted directly to the block? Show the bolts for the bellhousing. Cool!
You really need to do an Exellence type road report. We want all the details.
I found the shifter that was used in this conversion. It comes from Vanagons or Westfalias in the 80s.
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it looks like you cable (pos) is hitting the trans?
Fix that before putting a battery in or you will be welding!
Wonder about the cv's and axle shafts ?? What is the cv on the trans side and the wheel side ? Looks like six bolts on the trans with little plates under them?? I'm not asking to remove them for inspection , just curious . Also does it or would it use a trans fluid cooler ??
Jaxdream
When I bought this car it was not running, just turning over. They PO said it just wouldn't start one day and he put no effort into finding the problem. So after 8 years of driving it, it then just sat for a full year.
Well, I cleaned-up the battery connections and charged the battery, checked the oil and wires etc and I figured...what the heck lets see what happens.
Motor just turned and turned...no life. Being the experienced 914 owner that I am. I said...."I don't hear the fuel pump running and preceded to check the fuse on the relay board...nope it's good. Let's try replacing the relay... It roared to life instantly. I couldn't believe it. After letting it run for a few minutes I went around looking for fuel leaks...no leaks. The idle purred and didn't fluctuate....no air leaks...this is getting to good to be true.
So I took it off the jackstands and hopped in, turned the key and varrrooom. Went to push the clutch...oh yeah, don't have one, checked the brakes...nice and firm, dropped it into gear and ripped out of my garage and all over my neighborhood. Total trip...no shifting, very wierd and pretty peppy. I didn't want to press my luck with no plates so I headed back to the barn.
I can't wait to open this thing up on some twisties and see what it will do.
Only thing that doesn't seem to work is the speedo and a headlight beam...not bad. It's hard to believe this car has been driven for a decade without a speedo. Too dark to see if one is hooked-up some how and just not working.
Edit: Speedometer does work
Time for a
That's awesome! Your lucky you bought it when you did... I was in contact with him also... You beat me to it. Keep us posted on the progress.
That is soo cool....good luck with the speedo...hope its something simple..
dude... that's awesome!
I guess it was just meant to be yours. I think it's really a special car. That looks like a speedo cable going up over the top of the tranny under the fill tube by the motor to tranny seam but I don't see it near the rear anywhere. See if it's under the dash or pop the speedo out a little. I find it hard to believe a older lady could get by with the tach for the speed.
My friend says he knows of a flared 914 thats been in storage a long time at a old hot rodders place but I really don't have a place for another project and I might have to promise not to change it up.
It might even be possible to put the Audi 5000 manual transmission in a 914.
Sounds like the internals are 915
Interesting read, more uses for the Audi 5000 manuel transmission claims it can handle 450 + horsepower.
http://www.lambolounge.com/chassis/Transmission/5000/5000.asp
http://www.lambolounge.com/chassis/Transmission/Audi-915/index.asp
In the risk of sounding stupid....Which I tend to be....why cant we just use a 944 Trans....will it bolt in a 914 for the most part?
They connect with a drive shaft........
The 944 trans doesn't have a throwout bearing or arm. It has a tube for the shift linkage to run through the bell housing. The rest of the trans is identical. The driveshaft is clamped to the input shaft on the trans, and a big plate is bolted to the bell housing, adapting it down to the torque tube.
For the most part, the audi and 944 transmissions are interchangeable.
I decided to go ahead and clean-up the look of the shifter inside the 914. I removed the the modified console and as you can see further down the end result is a much cleaner look...at least I like it. The gauges will end-up being intergrated into the 3 gauge dash cluster.
Before Picture
As you can see, the shifter is raised up about 1/2 inch, levers from the shifter actually protrude down into the tunnel.
If I wanted, I could cut the shifter mechanism tube that sticks upward and lower it about 4inches without too much problem. I would then either have to shorten the plastic shift mechanism cover or get a large boot. For now, I think I'm going to leave it be.
In this picture you see where normally a CA 75 has an EGR valve placed where the speedometer goes to and then leaves to be routed to the transmission. The cable coming from the Audi transmission is "Audi" and travels up the tunnel to this connector in the passenger foam cutout. The other side of the connector is a porsche speedo cable that travels up to the speedometer. I'm not to sure what this "connector" is but it makes the transfer from Audi part to Porsche part.
The new look... Eventually, I'll put a carpet kit in the car and it should look pretty good.
Why don't you have an uphostery shop make a leather boot and remove that big plastic uglee thingy.....not like you don't know what gear it's in.
It was raining but wanted to go for a spin around the block. Not quite the "twisty" video that I hoped to first post, but at least it will give you a peak. Next time I'll have to figure out a better way of positioning a camera that will take some bumps...kept loosing the camera's focus from bumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UN2gZ-nYLA
Dude! that's so sweet I think I'm going to make a custom T-Shirt just for you, what app. is that,and I now I know were to put my iphone
any rain inside the car after the drive?
The iphone app is "speed-o-meter"...it's either free or $1, I can't remember. It's pretty darn accurate.
This is so cool! Good for you.
Porsche missed a market segment with that one! Very Cool!
that's awesome, I'm so cutting an iphone jack into my ashtray, now!
Dude , I think you may be able to find a shifter setup that will get it down closer to the tunnel , after all it's just standard automatic shift pattern PRND21 , with some adjusting , you could get it to work. Just take a trip to the Pick& pulls , scope out a shifter , maybe console combo to get the whole mechanisim down some, unless you're totally happy with what you have . My $.02.
P.S. I'm very interested in this setup , as it gives another option for a transmission in a 914.
Jaxdream
I bet a B&M ratchet shifter would fit in there. it comes with adjustable shift arms for the tranny side.
After not being able to find a suitable shifter replacement, I decided to redesign the tall vanagon one that was used. I literally took a good 7 inches off the old shifter. I took several inches off the middle of the bracket and some off the extension rod. It actually was more difficult than I first thought, especially keeping the geometry and throw the same. Anyway, good for now.
I had called Jeggs and it turns out that all the generic shifters they sell, i.e Hurst, B&M are made for American cars and transmissions.
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Looks much better. I like it!
Very nicely done Mark. That looks much better. Still doesn't quite look like it belongs but is closer. How does it drive & shift?
Hey Mark, Great work, Great find.
Not too bad !! I am interested in this conversion , as I would like to do this so the little woman could drive it, besides an automatic 914 would be cool !!
Jack / Jaxdream
Mark - It looks like you've got it down just a little taller than a stock center console. Why not just try to put one around it and build from there?
i like it
james
I decided to pull the black cover in the trunk today which is where the starter is located at 12:00. Normally there is no starter normally located at 12:00, but the only location that would work in a 914/4--Audi transaxle conversion. I was curious if I could learn more how they made the starter work.
As you can see a "stock 914" starter was used. It was bolted to an adapter that looks like it was custom made. The starter connects to the adapter and the adapter bolts to the adapter plate mated to the 914 motor.
Here you can see the two 19mm bolts that secure the starter from the back side of the adapter plate (engine compartment). You can also see the shaft of the bendix gear rides on protruding through part of the adapter plate and part of the edge of the 914 case.
An hole was opened-up on the top side of the transmission to expose the teeth on the torque converter. You can see the two bolts that secure the starter. You can't see the bendix shaft hole. If you look at 10:00, you'll see where the starter is normally on this Audi 5000 application.
These next two pictures show how an extension was made to space the bendix gear at the right distance so to engage the torque converter teeth properly. You'll also notice the teeth on the bendix gear on the 914 starter is different than the end that meets the torque converter teeth. The extension is held on by three allen bolts. A notch for each of the bolts was cut in the actual 914 bosch starter bendix gear.to lock the extension in place.
I still don't know how the torque converter connects to the 914 crankshaft.
Very crude looking construction but I really really like it! This was clearly built and designed by a true free thinker. This is how real men build stuff. Just imagine how well this has werked for the former women owner. Pure mechanical function!
That's not bad backyard fabrication. I bet you could buy something to work today. The shop that did the work deffinately has a "thinker" working for them.
Very cool.
I've been thinking about an automatic for my 14. I'm not sure I could fab that trick starter set up. Not sure I would want to.
Great car! Post more photos when you get them.
The mechanic that did the pedal cluster conversion did do a pretty nice job creating the double brake pedal, but I was pretty happy with the ebay auction that I won for $41. AutoAtlanta was selling off what look like a NOS Sportomatc pedal cluster for 914-6. Perfect! I was glad to see the auction didn't get much attention. It was a gold find for me. James from Morphenspectra is going to make a carpet kit for me without the clutch pedal slot and no hole for the piece that goes over the tunnel for the shifter. All in all, it should clean up the look nicely.
Haven't decided what to do for a brake pedal pad.
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See if the pad from a VW sporto pedal will fit.
Very cool Car Mark. How do you like driving it?
This is one cool thread!
Boy, I just can't seem to get time to work on this car...too many things going. I did however get the sportomatic pedal cluster installed. Works beautifully.
What's wrong with this one...
The worst thing, one of our boy's car died and we gave him our Honda to get him through his last couple years of school. Consequently, we needed a car so we went out and bought a new Honda. OK...so I have a two car garage, one sbc914 goes insided and guess whose project car got kicked outside...yep this red one.
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Very cool Mark, very cool!
Very cool and thanks for sharing. I know nothing about Audi's. Do you know what year's of Audi 5000 this transaxle is from. This is really interesting to me.
I think you should drive it to Route 66 next week just to show me in person
This is probably one of those total photoshoped threads. I bet this car doesn't even exist
I finally had some time this week to completely give the interior a make-over. Installed the 85 Audi shifter, gutted the interior, media blasted everthing that could be refurbished, repainted, new custom carpet kit by morph, and new seals where appropriate. I'm very please with how well it all cleaned-up and shifts beautifully. You can see how the Audi shifter fits perfectly in the 914 tunnel. I tried a 930 boot just for fun but it's a bit to tight to go over the mechanism. Anyway, whether I have a boot made or stay with the plastic cover, the interior is done. I also added a combo gauge in the dash.
Looks fantastic!!!
Nice job, Mark!
That interior looks great!
please throw that plastic thing in the garbage.
this may work http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-7277-A/10002/-1?parentProductId=757434
That new shifter looks great.
A smaller plastic housing might look better but that is something you can be on the lookout for.
Drive it like you stole it.
That shifter looks so much better!
Oh man, SOOOO much better, but yet just not quite there. I'm with Troy. Lose the plastic crapper rigid console and find a classy boot!! Close! So close to perfection. Soft boot all the way!!!! Dude, congrats on an epic cool 914!
That looks really nice! Great Job!
DAMN!!!
nice job!!!
so much better than what was there!!!
Every time I see this car I like it more. Nice work! Your taking a good idea and refining it.
Nicely done.
The boot looks great Mark. Nice job as usual
Mark we need an update! How's progress?
Yes, this was a unique thread!
BTW, have you given any thought to a shift position indicator?
As you removed the physical one, you could put a small LCD unit in the dash cluster to tell you when you are in "2" instead of "D".
Simple answer, Mark. Build a BIGGER GARAGE!
You still have the car? Any progress?
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