This is my 10,000 post on the world forum and the start of a new build thread.
As some may know I purchased a project car for Sandy. She has been wanting a 914 of her own for awhile now. In order to qualify the car had to be an unusual color and not rusted in half. Oh, and it had to be low priced. I have two kids in college and Sandy's working on her Masters.
I purchased a car that was used as a parts donor for Bryanf' car. The color is Revenna. This met the first qualification. The photos show the car is pretty nice as far as 914 rust goes and Bryan allowed me to buy the car right.
I'm traveling to Half Moon Bay to recover the car. My oldest son Aric will be with me. We are leaving March 9th and plan to drive straight through. As part of the trip we want to put our feet on the ocean, maybe check out Chris Julian's Ultima and maybe turn a wrench or two on Rob Ways Dad's car.
Here's a couple of photos of the car. I think there are a few more parts missing than are displayed. I will be hunting for used stuff after I have a chance to see what I have.
The hell hole has light surface rust!!! No hole!
Here's the bad... Hit in the front which is the reason it became a parts car.
Hereis a photo of the new parts that started to arrive today! Sandy was excited enough to go on ebay and make an offer on a set of 2.0 euro P&C's. She offer $ 169.00 and the seller accepted!
We have been discussing names for her new car. Lots of funny and cool names have been suggested. Sandy was thinkin maybe "Abby" It's kind of a play on words and came from a discussion we were having. It won't happen until the time is right.
It started out as "Alien Baby".
So, Here's the start of a new chapter. Follow along if you want.
Looks like a good starting point, but don't you think she is 4 P/Cs short?
T.C.
Cool projet. Sandy has excellent taste in cars!
Awesome!! Say HI to Chris for me!!
looks like a GREAT starting point! great color rust free minor front end damage. Thank you for taking it upon yourself to save it.
Hey, I got one just like that.
Mine says Matchbox on the bottom....
Awesome. A stock-ish Ravenna car with steelies is what I was going to build for my wife ex when she decided that she wanted a teener.
I wasn't here when you did the Alien - though I've read through that thread . . . a few times. Looking forward to this one! Love those '70s colours colors.
One of my favorite colors.
I would go through it carefully though... looks like it was hit so hard that the transmission ended up in the front trunk!
So how many cars are you building right now Rick ? Benz, Healy, 914. Do you EVER sleep ?? You and Jake would make one hell of a build team.
BTW what ever happens to Britts car ? Pinky
Up date already. As part of the journey to recover Sandy's car my son Aric and I may take a detour on the way back to Area51Werks. The Route 66 Classic is the same weekend as we are traveling home. We may steer the "Mothership" south east and pass by the event. Part of our journey will be through Witchita. Mike Moorman invited us to stop over and pick up a much needed front clip. As with anything, were in flux.
I was wondering how long Rick could stay at 10,000 posts! I think he showed great restraint to stay long enough to make me wonder if there was some admin trickery involved!
Cool!
A couple of comments:
You needed another project?
Have you thought about naming it Matchbox?
Shall we start expecting you to drive 2 cars tho the next WCR?
10,000 posts? Blabbermouth.
Time to update this. I hope to be able to spend a little more time on this car over the next 2 months. If my work flow cooperates... We shall see.
Here's where I started. I forgot to take a shot of the car before I started the work. So here's the best photo of the damage.
Here's a shot of the right side
Right side.
Left side.
Check the kink in the inner panel
Check the hood to fender gap
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Here's the donor front clip after partial trimming. This was a gift from Mike Moorman. Thanks Mike!
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Ok, Here's the fender I repaired this weekend. Seriously deformed light opening. It took about 12 hours to bring this back inline.
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Here's what I'm talking about. The whole fender was twisted outward as shown on the earlier photos of the hood to fender gap.
After some serious twisting and hammering this is the end result.
Damn your making me want a spot welder again
Is that Lenco one of the older " green box" units? I know of one in the back of a local shop I might try to get if I can get the attatchments like you have for it
I started sand blsting the surface rust in the engine bay yesterday but it was so hot and humid my moisture filter was soaked through in about 20 minutes. But here is the reason I wanted this car.
The only holes are in the battery tray and the base of the rear bulkhead where the sound deadening pad was glued to it.
We have all seen this bulkhead rust before but not usually so little. There is a hole in each lower side of the bulk head in the usuall place that is the size of the end of an ink pen.
Spot welders and clean hell holes rule!
(even "I" can use a spot welder!)
Finshed blasting. I removed the battery tray. I wasn't satified with the results I was getting with tray in place. I still need to condition/convert the metal before priming.
I went to the paint store today. I use DuPont and have used it all the years I have been working on cars. L65K is only available in Imron which is an old finish mostly used for fleet trucks. I brought the bent hood in with me to have it scanned. I'm having the paint mixed in Chroma One which is a very durable, workable, buffable and repairable finish. I asked for a pint to see how well the color will match once sprayed. The scanned formula didn't look right. I will need to correct it for a proper match.
Are you sitting down? $ 140.00 a pint
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Not surprising. The L80E for Jims car was 115.00 a pint for base. The only formulas the paint shop had for it was either Spies or Glasurit. I'm going to get it scanned so next time I can get it in Chromabase. That should save about 100.00
Decent tub there Rick! Git er dunn !
Started getting things in order for next weekend. With any luck I will have this enigne back together and ready to install when the North Star Crew come to the Bolts and BBQ event here at Area51Werks.
Did a leak down but I couldn't get better than 40 on #4. Funny cause when I pulled the heads and cleaned them up I tested the seats with solvent and no valves were leaking.
Here's the block all cleaned up ready to do cylinder heights.
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Here's the heads. Looks like no cracks and I solvent tested them and the valves and seats weren't leaking.
These heads are off to the chevy guys machines shop. I have been wanting to test these guys on price. The work will be fine I'm sure. They do all kinds of aluminum head repairs these days.
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I hope to drive this car out to the RRC!
Second head.
Man, seeing that engine like that really makes me want to come up here and help!
Is that my old engine? If so it looks pretty good. I thought for sure the heads would look worse than that.
Yep, The other engine I have must have a dropped seat because I cant turn it over a full rotation.
The engine was likely usable as is but For some reason I couldn't get a good leak down. Probably me using the tool wrong more than the engine. But anyway I have a new set of P&C's I'm sticking on so she should be good to go!
Progress photos, My son Aric and I have been trying to clean the garage to make some room to work. Part of that involves emptying boxes by assembling things. Here's what we have been up to.
Made a tool to refinish cylinders without having the fly cut at the machine shop. These heads were really nice. I had new guides installed and they were ready to go.
Lapped the cylinders to the heads as instructed by Jake. No head gaskets like the type I engines now.
We were able to reduce the volume of boxes a little by bolting these parts on. Notice the lightened flywheel.
We started pulling stuff the firewall to get it ready to paint before the engine goes in and discovered this clutch tube repair. Very poor quality repair hidden under wades of red silicon . So we get to do some Notice how clean the metal is. Zero Rust!
lottsa work to reduce the number of boxes in the garage.
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OK, fixed the clutch tube. You can see in the photos above someone welded a huge washer to the lower bulkhead flange and then to the tube. There is a major crack in the bulkhead clear into the fuel line hole.
I cut the big stinkin washer off.
Here's the tube and fire wall after I cut off the washer. There was a big weld I cleaned off the bulk head flange and tube.
Here is the new washer fit to the tube. You can see the crack into the fuel line tube hole.
I brazed the washer to the firewall and the tube. Incase anyone is wondering why I brazed the washer and tube, It is very easy to blow through the tube with a mig and end up with a knob of weld inside the tube. Who ever repaired this tube the last time did leave a bump of weld inside the tube. I have to get in there and drill it or file it flatter so it doesn't wear the cable sheath. Besides, the cable tubes were originally silicon bronze welded in place from the factory. Ready to prep and paint.
and incase you forgot how rust free this car is.
Also finished installing the engine tin.
I cleaned and painted one of the intake tubes. The heat and oil staining darkened the finish.
Here's the new paint.
I used this Galvanized weld through primer I purchased at the welding supply store. It's a flat finish but with a light wax rub it looks very stock.
I could spend all day looking at build threads; nice work and a very clean car to start with.
Lookin good!
Beautiful.
What kind of primer did you use, and did you tint it? Looks great.
I'm chomping at the bit to get back into my garage. It wont be until the end of April, though. I promised my daughter I'd build her a new bedroom set for her birthday.
Yes on the car, sorry for the confusion. Looked like zinc chromate primer like I used working on airplanes. Haven't seen a greenish tinted primer since then.
Couple progress photos
I painted everything, then added the battery tray with cold welds
stellar
Here's the stand before I cleaned up the welding
Here's after clean up and painting.
Starting to rerun the wiring and stuff.
Very nice!
Rick can you explain the term 'cold welds'?
BTW, the car is looking great...
-- Rob
Thanks for the explaination.
Would the battery tray be a good canidate for bonding using adhesives?
-- Rob
Didn't Mark Whitsell say he was making the rubber grommet for the drain tubes? I didn't see it on his web site.
you have me worried now.
Rich
I ordered three windshields. One for the Alien. (cracked last year on the way to RRC ) One for the Ravenna car (cracked) and one for the Raspberry car. They arrived today from the East Coast intacked.
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I sent the 2.0 engine harness out to Jeff Bowlsby for a tune up. It came back while I was out of town working. The thing is bitchin! All cleaned up, repaired some brittle wires, installed all new stock rubber boots! I just installed it on the engine this morning!
Just need to complete the vacuum hoses and it's ready to install.
Go Rick Go!
Nice soft wirings are indeed, sweet!
Nice progress, maybe we will have some Ravenna at RRC
We were shooting for the WCR but I just got buried with work 24/7 No way I can get back to it.
Awesome! Love Ravenna green.
OK, took a mental break from work and went out and buffed the wheel lips. I have one left. Then I can duct tape the shiney lips, soda blast the centers and get them painted.
Oh ya, after buffing the lips I wash the wheels with a soft brush and Dawn dish soap and run them through a cycle in the dishwasher to be sure there is no compound left behind or down in the space between the cast center and the wheel barrel.
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dishwasher?
I assume you have one in the shop?
Just got these back from the powder coater! I had the back of the wheels done also so brake dust will rinse off easily.
Nice wheels Rick! Put em on something and drive! Happy Fathers Day!
Squeezed in some work this morning before anyone else got up. For those who have followed this build you will likely remember this car was a frontal crash victom. It appears the car stopped but the energy in the rubber mounted engine didn't the engine seal shelf infront of the engine was bent and the ears on the transaxle snapped off.
Thanks to video from Dr. Evil and the replacement part he supplied I have the skill and the part to get this transaxle back in service. I was out at 7:30 am degreasing the housing and getting it ready for the repair.
I figured while I had it all cleaned up I would install this cool speedo drive made by McMark!
Just received the last few parts needed to install the engine and transaxle.
Great Vaccum line set from George at AA!
I had the muffler blasted and I painted it with Zinc weld through primer.
Oh and the brakes are completely refub'd with parts from Eric Shea. New 19mm master cylinder. and the tires are mounted on the car. It's off the jack stands and ready for the engine install.
Here's the wheels and tires!
Engine and transaxle are mated. I hope to have the engine installed by the weekend.
I repaired the wiring for the backup lights. The ends are copper tubing. I penned the end of the tubing into a cone and used a flaring tool on the other end then soldered them to the wiring.
Some of the parts getting installed.
Engine is in
Looking good!
Rick, how come you didn't paint the whole engine bay?
Looking real good there, Rick!
I love the reverse switch trick! Genius!
She's starting to come back to life! My oldest son Aric and I rebuilt the 2.0 I got from John Miller in Racine WI. After many months of sneeking in a couple minutes here and there. Sandy and I started the engine tonight. The smoke is coming from the exhaust system. I had it sand blasted and I painted it with heavy zinc weld through primer. It's going to take awhile to burn off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzTNI-sreSQ
It's alive!!
A couple gatuitus engine shots.
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Woohoo!
You're missing a few parts though...
I'm totally assimilated......
Awesome! So glad to see it move under its own power!
Awesomeness. Another one back from the dead.
Not too much to update here yet since Aric and I drove the car around without and lights or body panels to be sure that mechanically the was sound. But here's a detail I missed. I decided to locate the fuel pump up front. I like the factory pocket for the fuel pump from the late cars so I added one.
Also used the battery charger method to clean the gas tank before it was installed.
I have the heating ducts finished with the exception of the barrel nuts for the cables. Those should arrive tomorrow and the car will be off the jack stands and ready for the paint work to begin.
So cars are like a box of Cracker Jacks. There's a surprise in every box. Some good, some not so good. As I started sanding on the car I discovered it had two repaints. I don't paint over a repaint. Todays paint systems are not compatable with laquer based primers and glazing putties. This car had the old laquer base Nitrostan or what the old school bodymen know as Red Cap. So off comes all the paint right down to the steel.
The second not so nice surprise was the dent in the quarter panel that had been stuffed full of filler as deep as 3/4". To make matters worse they attacked the inside radius with a pick hammer!
I spent most of the day bumping and filing. Here's the results.
Here is a dent that is easier to see. I used a bullseye pick and file to repair most of the damage on this panel.
Some of the accessories For my Bullseye pick.
I added this swivel foot to my pick. When you tip the tool the fixed foot tends to dig in and actually cause indents as your bumping the panel.
Great job on this car Rick. Love the color and know it will put a smile on the faces of many in the months and years ahead.
Ok, Missed a couple weeks of repairs. Soon to be in primer.
Left quarter repair. The last guy left a huge dent in the panel and beat the high spots in with a pick hammer. When I ground the paint off the panel I discovered I had about a 3 lb. coffee can of body filler dust. Completely unnessecary.
After:
Here's some California rivets I found when I stripped the left door.
Repaired:
Welded up the big aftermarket mirror holes.
When do you move out here again?
How about Mile High!? Colorado!
That's right, I forget you couldn't breath here.
Yep, altitude sickness, Remember that? I think you can adjust to that over time though.
Pulled the rocker covers.
Nice jack points...you suck!
Plenty of good weather and insurance claims in CA. Nice work on Sandys car!
The car went into high build primer on March 31, 2012. We blocked it out a week later. I always like to let the car sit after blocking for at least a couple weeks to be sure the solvents evaporate. Some guys like to let it sit in high build then block the car I like to block it, let it sit then re-prime and re-block before paint. I've done it both ways and both work.
Here's a photo just after priming.
I can't believe it's been almost a year since my son and I blocked this car. I put it back into high build and blocked it again. We were trying to make the Route 66 this year. I totally blew past the deadline. On the bright side the shell and doors are ready to paint. I have the paint and I'm working on renting a booth to shoot it. Lets see if I can get this done before next year this time.
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First off, now I feel much better....
Second, what booth did you have at WOW?
Rich
Don't forget to seam seal and paint the inside of any panels you repair or the tin worn will wreck your day.
Also I want you guys to think about checking all the seams on the inside of the panels. Over time the seam sealer will split and allow moisture into the tight places where panels meet. Again the tin worn will be there sooner than later.
This is the back side of the butt welded fender I sectioned. You can barely see the seam. The outer face was metal finished.
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I have been attempting to match the factory color. I always use single stage paint for solid colors. I like the factory look of the single stage paint. It's vintage looking. I spent the last week tinting the paint. The color formula is no longer available in anything other than a truck fleet paint. I had my local Du Pont store shoot a scan with their color match camera. #1 and #2 are the colors the camera produced.
Number 1 is the first attempt with Chroma One. The match was way off. It looked pea green. Actually very close to the VW van color. Some of you may have seen those pea green 70's vans back in the day.
Well for $ 1,000.00 for Chroma One I wasn't going to even start tinting it. It was that far off.
Number 2 is the camera mix for Nason single stage urethane. I worked the color from pea green to a hue that was in the range of the factory color but too dark and the shift or chroma was off.
After 6 more gradual shifts in color I'm happy with the results. The engine lid is still in the factory color as are the door jambs. Here are the results.
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I worked really hard at matching this color. Here is a photo from when I started on the car. Then the same shot after the repair. There is no body filler on this wheelhouse.
Here is the repaired wheelhouse in color.
These areas in red are not painted. I did not paint past the bulkhead seal and I only blended the color onto the bulkhead. This shows the color match.
Nice!
Wow! THat is one hell of a color match. Nice work. Get some paint on that body now
What a great color
Good luck.
I found a local hotrod shop that was looking for work.
He painted all the parts, I put it all back together.
I slight tap with a 5 lb hammer in several spots got me back on track with the tub....just a little area that got pushed in from the bumper.
For the 914, as I crawl along at a snails pace...
I am wondering if any rattle can primer could be used as the base to cover up my work for some time.
With the plan to go over everything with real primer from a spray gun later (much later) and then high build, sealer etc etc.
Any experience with a specific brand of rattle can that works?
PPG sells one at the paint store, but I thought all rattle can primer is made up of the wrong materials...
rich
Finally took some time and rented a booth to shoot the shell and doors for Sandy's car. Loooooong way to go yet but at least I don't have to sit and look at this car in primer any longer. This is right out of the booth.
Crappy smart phone camera. My son Aric and I tag teamed it Friday night and painted it in memory of my Best friend and brother in-law that we lost to cancer on Thursday. Dave and his son Dave Jr. would have been right there with us. Davey stopped by to check on us but couldn't stay for obvious reasons.
So here's to David! We stood shoulder to shoulder working on cars and family. We'll miss you.
Nice!
Sorry for you loss Rick.
Car looks great...but you really should have chosen a bright color...
Best color ever.
I was going to post a question about whether I should add the vinyl or leave it as is. I guess I got my answer. Glad you all like it! Wait until you see the stripe...
Sorry to hear of your loss, Rick. I am certain that your nephew still has a great role model, even though he no longer has his dad.
I think sail vinyl depends a lot on the color of the car. I like it present more often than not, especially when the roof is on. But this color has me undecided. I think it will look great either way.
Tail lights are in and working, headlight motors and lifts are in, windshield is in.
My son Aric is going to continue working on the car while I'm in Toronto.
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Very nice; as usual. My heartfelt condolences to you and your family.
Awesome stripe.
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This is a bump for my friend Gary from Superior WI. He was over today checking the progress on Sandy's car. He has owned his 914 since almost new.
Wrapped the mirrors in Vinyl. The bubble you see with come out in the sun.
I took some working door handles that we pitted with the chrome pealing off and overlaid them with Vinyl. These handles would have otherwise been discarded.
Plasti dip would also do the trick there Rick.
This has been a lot longer journey than I expected but life has a way of doing that to all of us. For the most part Sandy's car is done. I have another front lid that I am painting body color and I have a pretty nice front bumper that I am painting also.
Sandy came out to the garage, looked the car over and named her: 7 of 9
So her she was:
As she is now:
Looks great but I think I like the body color lids better. The green looks fantastic! Especially with all the black as accents. Excellent work
awesome job! post some more pics PLEASE...
Dude, where is the tape measure?
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Looks fantastic , wish I could have been home today to see it in person.
Haha
So awesome!
Perfection!
Well it snowed here today so that's it for the year. I found this photo my son Aric took this fall.
Is that a bug eye'd Sprite? We have some new neighbors that bought a house up the street and they have two of these covered up in the driveway. I always loved those cars!
I just reread the entire thread Rick. You do such nice work! I think I missed how the hood is black? Wrap? For us California people, how does that shelter work at keeping the weather out?
rich, you might consider a couple of notched 2x material propped under the ridge to help with the snow load during a big event.
Thinking about the Route 66 event..... Only 12' of hard packed white stuff in the way.. Anyone got some dynamite?...
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Get one if these...you'll be just fine.
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Yeah hoping to see you at Route Rick! Kinda suck to be driving your 914 in that weather. We just had a weird snow storm here. I had a good foot & a half at my house. Just pisses me off as we just got most the sand/rocks off the road from December. Now I have to deal with that shit for another 2 months. At least I just replaced my last cracked windshield just in time
Absolutely beautiful work. I'm so glad I didn't have that car hauled off to the junk yard.
Just read the entire thread for the first time. Beautiful work. Wish I had time to learn the bodywork skills or had the $ to pay someone to do it for me.
Love the color. Keep the black hood.
That big lump is my BMW Touring. The canvas tarp shed is about to be crushed on all sides from the weight of ice and snow. Guess where Sandy's car is...
I thought you are going to move to warmer clime Rick?
Come out here to Kalifornia!
I think you should seriously consider Northern Ut. snow is much lighter, lol and plenty of big tech firms that need serious IT talent! Plus, we got the Shae!-G
vegas beckons. what a mess. icy packed stuff should be melted off by JUNE? another one is headed your way next week yes?
7 of 9 finally made it out of her winter hive. Aric took her out so she could stretch her legs.
Oh ya, check out the sneak peek of the 911
My Son Aric took his new son for his first 914 ride!
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Love it! The black hood completes the look.
Thanks man! it's come a long way from a parts car that was going to be cut up.
Sandy and I are working in Nebraska. Wish we had her car here with us.
Taken 2010 on the way home from Half Moon Bay.
Taken 5-4-15 Sandy and I had to park around the back side of the monument. It had rained really hard and there was standing water on the street that was up to the rockers.
We put on over 5000 miles since March. With a little routine maintenance I would have no issue with firing up the car and doing it again. She ran sweet all the way with the only real issue being the starting thing and the speedometer quit. Pretty simple fixes. Stuff you find on a good shake down run.
Just need to change the oil and filter, check the valves and adjust the clutch cable and she's ready for another road trip! What a great car!
Fantastic thread Rick. Thank you for supplying some great reading material on this snowy birthday in Montana. (me) I can't wait to see the six thread. Any sneak previews of the car? I hope mine is done for next years WCR. I look forward to meeting you in person. Great job. Now get to work on the six. It's still snowing.
Make sure to stay in touch with them and if they're not already, introduce them to the motley crew! My son (who was with me at WCR but doesn't have the same interest as I do) said that the "green machine" was his favorite! I pointed out details in all the other cars but he stuck to his guns, and when I told him you're selling it he was saying "NOOOO! I really like that one!" So, your pain is felt...
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