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Posted by: kenshapiro2002 May 12 2010, 12:30 PM

OK...now that "pickle" is running well, I wanna turn my attention to her looks (even though she looks pretty damn good right now). I'm a carnuba kinda guy, and use Griots products. I believe in claying too. My question is, since the car is new to me, should I start from scratch by stripping whatever is on there now? I;ve done this before by washing with Dawn, but wondered if I should use a chemical wax stripper...the stuff body shops use to prep a car. Thanks in advance for your wisdom and opinions.

Posted by: rwilner May 12 2010, 01:21 PM

claying the car will strip off all the wax, plus remove a lot of the dirt in the top layer of paint.

Pick up the mothers clay kit at your local FLAPS.

Posted by: kenshapiro2002 May 12 2010, 01:39 PM

I use Griot's clay with their Speed Shine. Can't imagine that claying removes wax. Really?

Posted by: rwilner May 12 2010, 01:56 PM

http://www.meguiars.com/faq/index.cfm?faqCat=Auto+Detailing+Clay&faqQuestionID=71&section=_71

Unless your wax is fresh, the clay will get just about all of your wax off.

Clay is da shizz.

Posted by: kenshapiro2002 May 12 2010, 02:08 PM

Says clay will remove some of the wax. And therefore they recommend throwing on some more Meguire's afterward. Doesn't sound like clay will really get me down to the paint for a fresh start. Thanks though.

Posted by: turboman808 May 12 2010, 02:43 PM

Griots wax is without a doubt the worst wax I have ever used. I have a full bottle if someone wants it. For carnuba I like PoorBoys or P21s. Both are reasonably priced. DODO makes some great wax but it's very expensive.

Should always use clay before you wax.

should also use polishing compound and glaze before you wax.



Griots makes some really good products but not their wax. They make the best wheel cleaner I have tried. Just ordered their leather cleaner after many recommendations and let ya know how it works.

Dish soap strips wax off a car. Which is why you never want to use it unless you are trying to strip the car.

Posted by: markb May 12 2010, 02:52 PM

I've been told that washing with dishwashing detergent gets all the wax off. Maybe true, maybe not.

Posted by: rwilner May 12 2010, 03:44 PM

FWIW this is the best wax combo i've tried, I only apply by hand though, so if you have an orbital there may be superior products out there.

I do my truck with this once a year and the water beads up right until it's time to wax again.

http://www.autogeek.net/klassekit.html

Posted by: rwilner May 12 2010, 03:47 PM

Turboman
is it safe for anodized wheels like our fuchs?

Posted by: underthetire May 12 2010, 04:36 PM

Waxing is for the girl friends private parts.

I don't like to wax my car much, so I use Nu-Finish. That crap stays on a long time and seems to seal the paint enough so my greasy hand prints come right off. All the Carnuba stuff seems to only last a month.

Posted by: whatabout1 May 12 2010, 04:48 PM

I like the Griot's stuff. The paint sealer is on my daily drivers.

The Best of Show is on my good car. But it won't stand up to the weather.

I can't stand that Meguire guy.

Posted by: PRS914-6 May 12 2010, 05:09 PM

OK, perfect timing. I just used the Mequairs new liquid wax called NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 a synthetic compound. Previously used their Gold Class liquid with good success.

With my black car you have to be really careful. I don't like paste waxes and Carnuba's require too much rubbing and pressure to come off risking towel scratches but it does seem to last a long time, I just can't risk it though.

The Tech 2 went on really easy and wiped off clean, easy, and a really nice gloss. So far I'm quite happy and anyone who has seen my car knows I am pretty picky about it.

But if you don't like Meguairs it won't matter.

I have also used the Klasse for my other cars with good success. Goes on super easy, gloss is so-so, wipes off super easy but overall doesn't last as long as others I have tried. I don't use it on the 914

Posted by: kharma May 12 2010, 05:15 PM

Klasse is great stuff, I've done claybar->AIO->SG on my last several cars and they always come out great. I'm pretty lazy with the detailing, and usually end up doing it once, twice a year tops.

Posted by: Tom_T May 12 2010, 05:16 PM

Old school I iz!

I still use the can of 1970's "Classic" 100% Carnuba Wax & do it all by hand!
but that's on the other cars lately, since my 914's resto is a long long ways off!

Posted by: 72914S May 12 2010, 05:46 PM

I`m still using "Liquid Glass" once a year.

Posted by: Tom_T May 12 2010, 06:17 PM

Ken, check with your local PCA chapter & they'll often offer detailing seminars put on by suppliers at other events, or as a part of a Concours Judging school - especially in the warmer months back east there. You may need to join, but $42 per year is worth the 2 magazines per month - Panorama & local mag, let alone the other events - even if you're not anal enough to be a CW (I'm certainly not).

Happy "Wax on, Wax off"!

Posted by: rfuerst911sc May 12 2010, 06:23 PM

I've looked at that can in FLAPS for about 10 years now thinking I will try it. Can you explain how you like it, ease of application ? Thanks

Posted by: turboman808 May 12 2010, 07:25 PM

I'm really not sure. It's the recommended cleaner for BBS wheels. I always say it's comparable to P21s but at 1/5th the price.
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/wheels+%26+tires/wheel+tire+cleaners/wheel+cleaner%2C+35+ounces.do

I would also recommend poor boys wheel sealant. Great product!





No such thing as %100 carnuba. %100 is hard as a rock and impossible to work with. Griots wax stick is about the purest wax you can buy and it's a pain in the ass to work with. No possibly way to apply it by hand. It's about 75% carnuba I think.


I've used tech wax and klasse and both are great products for daily drivers(sealant not a wax). Tech Wax seems to last a very long time. Currently using Mothers reflections on the daily drivers, poor boys white diamonds glaze and nattys red wax on the 914.

Posted by: tod914 May 12 2010, 09:12 PM

I start with the Mothers clay bar system (glad you guys chimed in when I asked about clay'n). Then the PS21 paint cleaner combined with Mequires scratch remover. 50/50 dab of each on a soft cotton cloth really brings out the luster in the paint. Tried the Tech wax by Mequires and am very satisfied with the end result. I don't let any of the products dry on. Then wipe it off soon as it's applied & buff by hand. The PS21 wax looks great for a show, but it doesn't last long. PS21 wheel cleaner.. be carefull it can stain your wheels. The Griots products I tried I really like; rubber cleaner, tire dressing, and chrome wheel cleaner.