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Posted by: Jeroen Apr 4 2004, 05:55 PM

Totalled my '87 3.2 Carrera this afternoon
Well, it wasn't really me, it was a friend of mine (I was in the passenger seat)
I really shouldn't have let him drive the car, he was way too inexperienced
It weird how you get used to the performance and handling of fast cars (you're actually always thinking you should get more umph) while they are absolutly leathal in the hands of someone without experience.

What basically happened is that we took a right turn at a x-ing. My friend wasn't going fast or anything, but he pushes it too hard and early on the exit of the turn.
The car started drifting (very slightly, nothing serious) but my friend never noticed it and we went straight off the right hand side of the road.

The car was airborn for a couple of meters flying over a moat/canal and spearheaded into the vertical embankment on the opposite side of the moat/canal and bounced back into the water.

The impact was pretty severe (I'm guessing we were going about 30mph) and knocked the wind out of me.
Thank goodness we were both wearing the 4 point harnesses and nothing happened to either of us
I was totally calm. I asked my friend if he was alright, told him to shut off the engine and open the windows as the car was filling with water now. I climbed out of the window onto the roof of the car and helped my friend out as well.
We go on dry land and watched the car completely submerge...

Early in the evening the car was towed out of the water and I was honestly shocked at the amount of damage
(I'll shoot some pics tomorrow)

The car is completely totalled (it's completely bend, just in front of the windscreen) but I'm just glad to be alive
Thing could have been much, much worse very easily...

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Apr 4 2004, 06:00 PM

Glad you are ok J, sorry to hear of your loss...

Posted by: Eric Taylor Apr 4 2004, 06:04 PM

Oh man that really sucks. I feel your pain. I remember totalying my 914, it was really depressing.
Eric.

P.S.
What ya doing with the 3.2

Posted by: tat2dphreak Apr 4 2004, 06:06 PM

were are all glad you are ok! sorry about the car...

Posted by: tracks914 Apr 4 2004, 06:07 PM

Good to hear you are OK. Too bad about the car, I hope you had it insured.
That reminds me, my mother wants to drive the teener when it is done. She says she learned to drive stick in the fifties and she can handle it.
I don't know if I should let her.

Posted by: chunger Apr 4 2004, 06:08 PM

Glad to hear you're all ok and posting still. . . that's very scary. . . hope the recovery is smoothe financially now.

Friends don't let friends drive tail draggers.

Posted by: echocanyons Apr 4 2004, 06:09 PM

OUCH!
good to hear everyone walked away.

Posted by: nebreitling Apr 4 2004, 06:10 PM

i am extremely thankful that you and your friend were not injured. it sounds like it could have been MUCH worse. i'm sorry for the loss of your car.

you speak wisdom when you write of these cars being potentially lethal in the wrong hands. even a stock 1.7 914 can get you into plenty of trouble.

be safe out there, everyone.

Posted by: seanery Apr 4 2004, 06:10 PM

Sorry about the car . I'm glad you're ok though

Posted by: vsg914 Apr 4 2004, 06:11 PM

Jeroen, We are extremly glad that you and your friend are ok. Sorry about the Pcar. It can be replaced, but you guys cannot. Thank you Lord for delivering our friends safely.

Posted by: DuckRyder Apr 4 2004, 06:20 PM

Glad you and your freind are O.K.

Posted by: GWN7 Apr 4 2004, 06:25 PM

Glad your both ok

Posted by: ! Apr 4 2004, 06:40 PM

Ditto....happy to see you survived. Water at the end of a road get off has got to be scary.....and let me the first to NOT ask if anything off it is for sale.....

Now the fun part, dealing with the insurance company.....you think you lost your breath from the accident, wait till they get through with you. Good luck and get your receipts ready....

Posted by: ein 6er Apr 4 2004, 07:00 PM

HOLY MOLY!!!!!!!

glad you guys are ok!!! sounds like it could have been a lot worst!!!

take care!!

doug

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 4 2004, 07:09 PM

Pot vor damna! Jeroen!!!!

I am glad you are ok! I just the cage worked just like it was supposed to. Gonna use that motor now in the 914??
The was one nice ride you had, wow... I am speachless. I think I have a pic from before that I'll post.
Better strip the rest of the parts of it before shipping it off.


Geoff


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Posted by: Andyrew Apr 4 2004, 07:12 PM

Very sad news Jeroen, Hopefully (im sure) you have insurance for the 911. I bet you'll buy it back for cheap, part it out, get yourself another nice 911, take the 3.2 engine, and put it in one of your 914's.

Think positive!

Very glad your both safe and had no injuries. Guess the 911 took one for the team.

Andrew

Posted by: VegasRacer Apr 4 2004, 07:27 PM

were are all glad you are ok! sorry about the car...

Posted by: Qarl Apr 4 2004, 07:30 PM

Glad you're safe! Sorry about the car!

Posted by: morphenspectra Apr 4 2004, 07:59 PM

Sorry to hear about your car, THAT REALLY SUCKS!!!! We are very glad that you and your friend made it out okay. It makes my bad week seem not so bad, (got in accident middle last week, got a $250 speeding ticket the next day)

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 4 2004, 08:11 PM

Das Boot! (from Risky Business)


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Posted by: ablose58 Apr 4 2004, 09:04 PM

So sorry about your loss! I am glad to hear both you guys weren't injured Hope things turn for the better!!!!!! AL

Posted by: J P Stein Apr 4 2004, 09:33 PM

That sux. Glad you're OK.

Posted by: soloracer Apr 4 2004, 09:40 PM

Glad to hear that you are both OK. I let a friend borrow my 951 once and he ran into a fence when going around a corner and the boost came on. It had rained slightly and he said that it spun when he got on the gas. After that I made up my mind that the nobody other than myself will drive my toys (Porsche, bikes, etc.)

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 4 2004, 09:49 PM

damm dude that sucks ...
glad you guys made it out ok!

i guess 9elebens don't float.
Andy

Posted by: Malmz Apr 4 2004, 10:29 PM

Jeez, that sucks. Adds a little reality to what these toys we play with are capable of doing to us.

Hope it all works out without too many hastles!

sm

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 5 2004, 01:01 AM

OMG! Glad to here your OK!

Posted by: Lawrence Apr 5 2004, 04:23 AM

Thank God no one was hurt.

Glad you're still with us, bud.

-Rusty

Posted by: SteveL Apr 5 2004, 06:57 AM

Glad to hear you made it throught the accident OK. Cars can be replaced, friends can't.

Posted by: maf914 Apr 5 2004, 07:02 AM

Sorry about the 911, but I am glad to hear you and your friend are okay.

Mike

Posted by: Justin Fischer Apr 5 2004, 07:04 AM

Damn.....Sorry about the car, but I'm glad you walked away.

-Justin

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 5 2004, 07:13 AM

Ok a day has gone by and your alright. Great. Lets look at the positive. When your insurance company spikes you on the value of your car your not going to be too pleased. BUT... If you buy back the salvage your going to have one hot 914! BTW call the towing guy and have him drain the oil. The crank case is probably filled with water. if you can also pull the spark plugs and drain the cylinders. Then get something designed for fogging boat cylinders for winter storage. This should save the motor until you can have a better look.

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 5 2004, 07:14 AM

Here's the pics...

cheers,

Jeroen


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Posted by: Jeroen Apr 5 2004, 07:14 AM

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Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 5 2004, 07:26 AM

Glad your OK!

3.2 914/6 here we go!

Posted by: synthesisdv Apr 5 2004, 07:27 AM

I think it is actually frowning.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 5 2004, 07:38 AM

I can fix that!


okay, the car is at that Porsche shop we went to. Great shop, hopefully he will salvage the motor quick. Those rims will look good on the 914/6 too.


Geoff

Posted by: DuckRyder Apr 5 2004, 08:02 AM

I think I'd have to take that out of my friend's hyde..............................

Looks like you were both very lucky!

And it think it is frowning too, I know I am.........

Posted by: itsa914 Apr 5 2004, 08:07 AM

Ouch

The important thing is everyone is ok. How everything works out with the insurance company.

- Garold

Posted by: theol00 Apr 5 2004, 08:14 AM

Here we have an expression in racing "shit happens!" The good news is - your and your friend are ok - and hopefully your insurance will cover the rest. I am sorry for your loss.
Theo

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Posted by: richardL Apr 5 2004, 08:58 AM

Oh Jeroen,

Thats terrible news. I'm glad your fine. That looked to be a fairly rapid decel. judging by how bent the front of the car is.

Thats was a really fun car - I hope you can replace it with something as nice.

Richard

Posted by: krk Apr 5 2004, 09:03 AM

Jeroen!

I'm so glad you both walked away from that -- lots of accidents don't turn out that well! Sorry about the car tho -- losing a ride sucks. Hope the insurance/etc works out ok.

kim.

Posted by: si2t3m Apr 5 2004, 09:32 AM

OUCH!!!

Glade that both of you are fine. I'm terrified about the part where the car got submerged in water. Thank god you kept cool and both got out.

Marc-André

Posted by: Jacco Apr 5 2004, 09:45 AM

tjesis... jeroen

that scared the shit out of me! Glad you survived the crash.

really a pity of the fine 911 as well, a typical case of "even apeldoorn bellen"

head up Jeroen,

Jacco

Posted by: Bruce Allert Apr 5 2004, 09:50 AM

Geese Man, When I first read your thread yesterday I felt so sorry for you (still do). I felt bad when Punkin blew up I can only imagine how your friend feels. I know I'd want to do everything to help with a replacement if that's even possible.
Better times are ahead cuz yer still here, eh?

.........b

Posted by: sechszylinder Apr 5 2004, 09:53 AM

hi jeroen,

shit happens ... , but the really important thing is that you're both uninjured !!!!!!!

benno

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 5 2004, 09:55 AM

No insurance on the car... well it is insured, but only for damage that I (or my car) do to others, not for damages on my own car.
I have no problem with that, but in a situation like this it ehh... sucks

My friend said he'd pay for the damage he'd done, and I can only hope he will.
If he (or his insurance) doesn't, I don't think I have a case.
Stuff works different here... I let him drive my car, so it's my responsibility if anything happens.
I'm not quite sure (digging into it at the moment), but I think that is were I stand...

As far as the parts of the car. I really don't think the engine is worth keeping.
It was pretty hot from when it ended into the water, so the thermal reaction (heat to sudden cold) alone was prolly enuf to ruin it.
I told my friend to shut off the engine, but in his panic, he couldn't find the ignition key (because it's on the wrong side ofcourse ) and I just pointed him the switch for the electric window, so he could open it and get out (my main priority)
So the engine swallowed water too...

I'm gonna check if I can easily remove any worthwile other parts tonight (the wheels and seats and hopefully some other stuff) and then it'll go to a Porsche wreckyard...

I don't have the time/space or energie at this moment to part it out my self. I hope it's gone before the weekend...

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Hawk Apr 5 2004, 09:57 AM

Geez Jeroen, you are one calm guy. What a way to prove that these Porsches are built right though, at least you lived to buy another someday.
I made the mistake of letting my 16 year old learn to drive a stick this weekend, using my 911, and we nearly made a new entrance to the garage.
What you say about novices driving these cars is so true. Guess I will be selfish and decline to share my p-cars at next request. Stay well.
-Richard

Posted by: DuckRyder Apr 5 2004, 10:11 AM

Of course it varies even stateside, but in most cases,

If the driver has insurance it would extend to a car he was driving, as primary if the car was not insured for the damage, or as excess if it was not sufficently insured.

As you say things are diffrent in Urrope, but it's worth checking into.

Hope it works out.......

Posted by: Mueller Apr 5 2004, 10:29 AM

glad to know you are okay......the water scares the heck out of me...there are some roads I drive on that if you go off you'll end up in the drink and if you don't get out, they may never find you until they dredge the canal..............

makes me want to change my cars over to manual operated windows

Posted by: Jenny Apr 5 2004, 10:34 AM

Jeroen,

I'm so sorry to read about your escapade over the weekend. And really grateful you are alright. You're surprisingly level-headed about it. It's harder when the fault lies with someone else. It's much easier to beat yourself up over it than to beat your friend up. I think it's awesome your first concern was for both of your safety. It's always assumed that safety comes first, but sometime the shock is enough to just dumbfound you. Anyway, I'm glad you and your friend are okay, and I'm sure Zoey and mom are counting their blessings.

Take care!!

Jenny

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 5 2004, 11:09 AM

Jeroen,

I'm so sorry to read about your escapade over the weekend. And really grateful you are alright. You're surprisingly level-headed about it. It's harder when the fault lies with someone else. It's much easier to beat yourself up over it than to beat your friend up. I think it's awesome your first concern was for both of your safety. It's always assumed that safety comes first, but sometime the shock is enough to just dumbfound you. Anyway, I'm glad you and your friend are okay, and I'm sure Zoey and mom are counting their blessings.

Take care!!

Jenny

Posted by: Jenny Apr 5 2004, 11:19 AM

Alright, that's enough out of you! It should only look familliar if I'd let Brian drive my car and he wrecked it. As it was, I drove my car and wrecked it with him inside. I felt terrible, and am still amazed he rides with me.

Jen

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2004, 01:21 PM

well, the car does look cleaner now that it has seen some water.

sorry dude, just trying to get a smile on your face.
Andy

Posted by: Dave_Darling Apr 5 2004, 03:25 PM

Ouchie!!

As everyone else is, I am very happy to hear that you and your friend are both OK.

--DD

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 5 2004, 04:59 PM

First of all, thank you all for your kind words and messages.
It may sound weird, but it helps...

We were pretty shook up by it.
But strangely I always kept it in mind I coudt get a phonecall like this,
luckily he called him self, I'm so happy he is sitting right next to me and thanking god or what ever there is on
my knees.
We have the car on videotape because we got married in it, so its a nice memory.

Hopefully he will now work his assoff at the 914 so we can dive it in a short time.

thanks,

Christie
(by the way, these are NOT my boobs... Jeroen is a scumbag )

Posted by: Curvie Roadlover Apr 5 2004, 05:01 PM

Ouchie!!

As everyone else is, I am very happy to hear that you and your friend are both OK.

--DD

Posted by: Uncle Richy Apr 5 2004, 09:17 PM

All I can say is, Bummer.
Sometimes these things work for the better.
Lets hope you have good insurance.

Posted by: Gint Apr 5 2004, 09:35 PM

Isn't it wierd how calm you can be about something like this despite what you think you might do before it actually happens.

I'm glad you're both OK Jeroen. It is a shame about the 911, but it's only a car. Time to crank on the 914? What do you need for it?

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 5 2004, 09:47 PM

Hi Christie
Hope you are doing well and now you and Jeroen can take nice walks around town to pass the time.

Give Zoey a big hug for me too!

Time for Jeroen to get the 914 running and out of the garage! Boy, I sure am glad he is ok, but that's why you install a cage, for all that extra safety.
Jeroen has to remember that 911 engine don't like nor need water cooling

Good chance that the engine is ok, Jeroen but have the owner at Van Der Gugten look at it before you junk it
Ok, now that everyone has read this thread. Here is a family shot of them.


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Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 5 2004, 09:49 PM

Jeroen, maybe you can go over to the dark side....I heard this car was for sale. Should be cheap as its just a 924 and seats four!

Geoff


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Posted by: Rob Ways Apr 5 2004, 09:59 PM

Dude. Sorry about your ride. Someday, a long time from now, you'll laugh about it.

The sooner you can laugh the better.

I'm glad you are both OK.

Posted by: aircooledboy Apr 6 2004, 12:14 PM

"Dude, we can fix it. My dad is a TV repair man. He has an awesome set of tools"
Jeff Spiccolli, Fast Times at Ridgemont High


YIKES!! Sorry about your loss. It really does remind us all how easily we forget the slightest lapse can result major doodoo for the unaccustomed driver. I am glad all are well. Cars can be replaced, people can't.