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Posted by: Woodside914 May 24 2010, 11:54 PM

Thanks Mikey914 !!!


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Is it me, or are these door lock seals impossible to find?

I made a post last week about trying to find some of these fragile rubber seals, so that I could complete the rebuild of my door locks - and it appears NO one makes them (Yet!). Hopefully these photos of one will help someone (Mikey914 ??) make some as Aftermarket brand.

This one is a bit dirty, but it is still in very good usable condition.

So, they look like this in the door keylock assembly:


approximate width is about .177



More to Come.....

Posted by: Woodside914 May 24 2010, 11:58 PM

Part II


Small OD

Posted by: Woodside914 May 25 2010, 12:00 AM

Part III

Large OD

Posted by: Woodside914 May 25 2010, 12:02 AM

Part IV


Internal Diameter is approx. .5625 give or take a mil...

Posted by: Woodside914 May 25 2010, 12:03 AM

Part V

Thickness of material

Posted by: Woodside914 May 25 2010, 12:07 AM

Part VI


Top View (note the slight seated ledge area just a few mils in depth)


Side View




Ok, well this concludes the slide show & gives a good idea of what this animal looks like, and the approximate measurements, give or take a few mils......if need be, I can try to take added measurements, or maybe send a busted sample to someone.


Anyway, I hope this is enough to spark someone to begin making these door lock seals, as replacement parts since OEM is not an option. I will begin on the glove box & trunk seal just subsequently, since I believe they are slightly different measurements (?).

Cheers,
Ken

Posted by: Tom_T May 25 2010, 02:45 PM

Ken - you might PM or email Mikey914 (Mark W.) & see if he can & will make them & where to send the decent shape seal, since I think he typically uses a good used, or preferably new/NOS part from which to make a mold IIRC.
... Send him this one, if you can part with it until he gets some made?

Mark - FYI - I'll be in for at least 2 for my door locks, 4-5 if they're found in all of the 914 locksets (2 doors, F &/or R trunks, glovebox), & it sounded like a lot of folks out there will need them too.

Cheers back at ya!
Tom
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Posted by: jt914-6 May 25 2010, 02:48 PM

Mikey914 probably needs the measurements in MM's..........

Posted by: URY914 May 25 2010, 02:56 PM

I have several used ones. Very rare = $$$

Posted by: Mikey914 May 25 2010, 10:46 PM

I can put this on my plate, should be able to have something in a week or so. Hopefully less as I took my lock apart to get a sample and it fell apart. Now I need one too. The other lock proved to be a more viable sample, but wow, it just disentigrated.

So the question is how many peopel need these? I have a suspicion that there are quite a few that do and don't even know.

I can make these for $3.15 per part for those that want to step up now. After production has been run $5 each. Quite a difference in price, but if you want to step up now and commit to a few parts, you'll save some cash.

Posted by: markb May 25 2010, 11:01 PM

I'll take 10 to start with.
Thanks much for making these!

Posted by: Tom_T May 26 2010, 01:13 AM

Dang! - I already missed the first sets for $2.85 each .... now they're $3.15!
... now that's inflation not seen since 1930's Deutchland or something!

Put me down for 5 Mark!

Tom
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 26 2010, 01:26 AM

Calculated the cost, but needed to allow for drop and have a small cushion to cover any adjustments. Still better that not signing up now.
-Mark

Posted by: Tom_T May 26 2010, 01:50 AM

No problem Mark, I'm happy to pay whatever you need to do them, cuz we need you to stay in business on these - even if you're not profit motivated per our past conversations. I just figured you recalculated it again & corrected the post.

But I couldn't resist some fun at you.

OT -but hey, I referred my buddy Jerry S with that pristine original 71 914/4 to you for some seals & maybe a drive by assessment of what he needs when you're down here on a flight. I think he needs cowl seals & window scrapers & the top windshield to targa seals at the least. He's in San Clemente, an ex-corporate helo pilot & architect (so tell him about your deck rails for his projects also). PM or email me if you want his cell to set up a time.

Tom
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Posted by: jcd914 May 26 2010, 02:48 AM

Did anyone research VW/Audi door lock seals?
The 914 seals look just like every VW/Audi door lock seal I have had apart in the last 20 years. I have never compared 914 to VW/Audi but always assumed they were the same size. VW/Audi door handles were a common failure and I re-keyed almost everyone I replaced. I probably have 3 or 4 seals loose in my tool box and a few in door handles I still have around. I don't know if the seals are available separately or not.

Jim

Posted by: tradisrad May 26 2010, 07:57 AM

I looked all over the place for these when I rekeyed my car and could not find them.
Mark, I am in for a set of two.
thanks
-Rob

Posted by: 9146986 May 26 2010, 09:26 AM

I'm good for four sets.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 26 2010, 09:26 AM

Thanks Tom my railing site is DIYRailing.com. You can PM me his info if he's interested.

Thanks,
Mark

Posted by: Kansas 914 May 26 2010, 09:56 AM

I would be in for 4 of these - thanks as always!

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 May 26 2010, 11:52 AM

Does anyone know if these are used in just the door locks or all locks (doors, hood, trunk and glove box)?

Posted by: ConeDodger May 26 2010, 11:59 AM

I'll take 4.

Posted by: veltror May 26 2010, 12:12 PM

I will take 3, you know one spare...

Posted by: markb May 26 2010, 12:33 PM

The new VW/Audi ones are slightly larger & don't fit quite right.

Posted by: McMark May 26 2010, 12:39 PM

10 for me right now, and more later.

Posted by: Gudhjem May 26 2010, 01:14 PM

I am in for 4.

--Steve

Posted by: 914Sixer May 26 2010, 05:22 PM

The doors and the rear trunk lock on each car will need them. Glove box and trunk pull do not.

Put me down for 6.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 26 2010, 07:20 PM

I'm burning the midnight oil on these. I've got it just about dialed in, need to do work out a few details, let's just say the new ones will probably out last us all. Pictures later tonight.

-Mark

Posted by: rick 918-S May 26 2010, 07:34 PM

I will take 10 pieces or 5 sets. I have 4 914's and may get more. I'm sure I will need to order a couple more items when you send your PM to complete the order. Like two rear window to engine lid seals for one item.

Posted by: KELTY360 May 26 2010, 07:38 PM

Well Mark, since there seems to be nothing you can't make out of rubber for our 914s, I think you should make little rubber 914 models. Maybe about 1:43 scale. Everybody needs at least one.

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 May 26 2010, 08:44 PM

Nice key chain!

I will also take 6 lock seals bushings, add to my last order. Did you get my PM?

What? 2 days and they are done? You the man Mark!!! Damn glad your not into Fiat X19's.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider May 26 2010, 08:46 PM

+2 pieces for me
don't need the rear trunk lock seal, I have the reflector

Posted by: Mikey914 May 27 2010, 01:33 AM

Finally done with these. I decided to look at these as "bushings" rather than seals. The reason these were not rubber was the rubber would "grab" at the two surfaces and would deteriorate in much less time as the torsonial worces would exceed the flexability of the rubber over a very short time. The rubber would also require additional torque to get the full range of motion and the stress on the key would fatigue the metal at a much higher rate than normal usage.

The solution is a bushing.

If I were to make several hundred thousand of these. plastic injection molding is a cheap easy way to accomplish this probably at a part cost on .10 per unit (after tooling). Heavy up front tooling investment, but savings returned in the unit cost.

The downside - plastic will become brittle and will wear over time, but should last at least 15 years. That was 30+ years ago. Over all, I'm suprised any good examples still exist.

The solution I found was to machine an aluminum bushing to the correct dimensions. This took a bit of playing around to get everything just right, but these will outlast you and me.

Installation is simular to the OEM part with the exception that you apply a marine grease to the lock mechanism install the bushing, and recoat the outside of the bushing to create a water resistant seal.

Below are pictures of the installation and and key fitted in and working normally.

I'll be cranking more of these out tomorrow, and will be filling orders this weekend.

With that being said, I will also have a new introduction to the product line that I've been working on for the last 4 months. Those with the early cars will be interested in them. I will be unveiling the new product in a thread then.








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Posted by: jeeperjohn56 May 27 2010, 01:48 AM

Hey Mark, I'll take four pm me with total and s/h. I also want to say it was nice meeting you and your wife at WCR at Tahoe my wife enjoyed your wife and Andy's wife Amoy. Thanks Again John

Posted by: lotus_65 May 27 2010, 04:17 AM

looks like bushing porn to me...

i'll buy 6.

thefleur

Posted by: Zimms May 27 2010, 04:57 AM

I am in for 4.

Posted by: dem May 27 2010, 07:14 AM

why not? 3 for me too.

Posted by: 7275914911 May 27 2010, 08:53 AM

3 sets so 6 total...

Thx Mark

Posted by: BigDBass May 27 2010, 09:11 AM

2 sets for me please.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 27 2010, 10:21 AM

And my wife wonders why I spend allot of time in the machine shop. I think in some perverse way it must be.

Posted by: SUNAB914 May 27 2010, 01:38 PM

I'm in for two sets.

Posted by: eric914 May 27 2010, 06:25 PM

Put me down for 4pc. Can we send $ via paypal now to help with your upfront costs?

Posted by: Gary May 27 2010, 09:37 PM

Mike, I'm in for a pair.

G

Posted by: StratPlayer May 28 2010, 09:08 AM

I'm in for 3,,, one will be a spare..

Posted by: ericread May 28 2010, 09:38 AM

I'm in for 4 units.

Thanks again for the quality work you provide in all of your products.

Eric Read

(I think I just need to subscribe to everything you make. I seem to buy them all anyway... )

Posted by: treemn May 28 2010, 10:53 AM

2 sets for me please.
Thanks















Jeff

Posted by: charliew May 28 2010, 03:03 PM

I'll take two, thanks

Posted by: poorsche914 May 28 2010, 08:31 PM

I'm in for a pair, please.

Posted by: jim_hoyland May 28 2010, 09:39 PM

Looks like another great solution ! I would like to order a pair.

Jim Hoyland

Posted by: dangrouche May 28 2010, 11:36 PM

I am in for a pair please.
thanks
Ben

Posted by: Woodside914 May 29 2010, 12:06 PM

Amazing!!

There's been some serious response to this post, and it looks like I (a lowly newbie) have stumbled onto something good here...lol.

Thanks again to Mark for taking on this project, and because of it, it looks like there will be lots of upgraded door locks in the 914 Community soon!


Cheers,
Ken


PS: here's my '71 that I have owned 30 years now....this post all started last week when I needed to repair the drivers side door lock mechanism & give it a good lubrication 'cause it was getting so sticky.

Posted by: charliew Jun 5 2010, 07:35 PM

Great product Mark, and fast shipping, Thanks

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 Jun 5 2010, 07:48 PM

I just installed in my door handles, two in the car and two in the extra handles and none of them had the O.E. seals. They fit perfectly and work great! Another great product from 914Rubber. You the man Mark!!

Posted by: steveherman Jun 5 2010, 07:50 PM

2 please.
pm on its way.

Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 29 2010, 09:21 AM

Price reduced to $3.50 each
Replace these once and you'll never have to again!

Posted by: bandjoey Jul 29 2010, 12:05 PM

I'll take a pair at full price along with some other stuff as soon as the front trunk seals are ready. Fall is just around the corner.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Sep 30 2010, 07:56 PM

Two please!

Awesome stuff that you just can't find anywhere else!!

Posted by: nsr-jamie Sep 30 2010, 09:48 PM

Hi Mark, I'll take a pair too please.....also do you sell the other plastic part in the door handle, I don't know the name of it, but its in the first picture on page 1 at the start of this thread....its the black plastic part that always breaks and some shops sold them but are kind of pricey, I have seen them in white or black....do you know the part I am talking about?

Posted by: nsr-jamie Oct 1 2010, 09:24 AM

I think the name of the other part I was talking about is called a "door handle insert", that would be nice to see those parts for sale on your site....

.....and one request...

Its not plastic or injection molding...but I would love to see a bolt on kit for a 914 to fit some kind of fire extinquisher on the floor or some place where it is close and easy to get at but not in the way... maybe under the seat so it can still be adjusted...

I know this thread is about a different topic but just wanted to mention that, its a part I was looking for.

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 1 2010, 02:45 PM

These are in the works now, making mine from Delrin not cheap nylon. Should be done in about 2 weeks tops. I'll keep everyone posted in a new thread when I'm happy with them.
-Mark

Posted by: Als914 Oct 1 2010, 05:46 PM

Put me down for two sets.

Posted by: trojanhorsepower Oct 1 2010, 06:30 PM

Put me down for 2 sets please.

Posted by: biggy72 Apr 4 2011, 10:16 PM

I may have missed it and I know this thread has been dead for awhile, but did you ever come up with a trunk lock bushing? I just put in an order, but it's looking like I will have to do another.