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Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 3 2010, 02:47 PM
I posted that I was working on this some time ago, and have hae enough forward progress to post a few pictures.
Please note this is not a complete top only a first part off a temporary mold. There's still some tweeking we will be doing on this to get the part a better fit.
Here's the summary of progress-
We have the tooling for the top portion almost finalized and will be making some adjustments.
We are acitvely machining the mounts for the roof so that it will attach with adjustement that can be made in seconds to assure a correct fit. I had noticed on tyhe few Sarasota tops that the substructure appeared to have been repaired as it was pulling the roof too tight.
I'm working on a custom box for shipping and storage with a soft foam liner. It will be able to ship Fedex without hitting the second overcharge tier (shipping should be about $60 across the US, and will make a nice storage box for the roof when not in use.
The big key here is the mounting substructure. We aer making a semi ridgid frame that will allow for the OEM seals to be used on the rear and sides. This means it should seal as good as the factory roof.
We are on track for out budget for this project and the initial offering will be less than $600. Part of the equation is how many will want one. These should be ready for production to begin in 8 weeks if all stays on track. I will not accept any deposits until I have the prototype completed and tested for awhile. I will be posting more on the prototype in abotu 3 weeks, and it will give us an idea of any things we want to tweek before production.
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Posted by: underthetire Jul 3 2010, 03:50 PM
Very nice, i want one but won't be buying one. I'm sure you will sell plenty of them though.
Posted by: jim_hoyland Jul 3 2010, 04:27 PM
A box for storage is a good idea. It need a confy home when not in use... 
The biggest issue I had was the fitment along the leading edge. It didn't snug in just right and the wind generated noice was scary.
And...Saratoga Top or Sarasota Top ????
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Posted by: JRust Jul 3 2010, 04:36 PM
Very nice Mark. I don't know if I will have it in my 914 budget for a while. I will want one at some point though. Way to go 
Posted by: quadracerx Jul 3 2010, 04:39 PM
THAT is FLippin....COOOL...
LOL now if I just had the money to buy one....
Steve
Posted by: realred914 Jul 3 2010, 04:42 PM
anychance you can get some pre-production ones out for folks to see? I like the idea of one, but for $600 i'd really like to see it first. these seems to be a great product idea.
it would be cool if you could get some pre-productions ones out there to folks that would not mind showing it off.
really very cool.
thanks
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 3 2010, 05:26 PM
These will be LESS than $600. I will have a prototype shortly. There are some design details that we will need to work out, but the edges by the window on the original ones were the bigest problem. These will address that specifically. As well as a few other design improvements I'll announce once we have them in place.
Posted by: Krieger914 Jul 3 2010, 07:38 PM
That sure looks nice. Maybe.
Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 3 2010, 10:29 PM
Always amazing the masses, Mark 
Posted by: siverson Jul 3 2010, 11:19 PM
Looks neat!
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 3 2010, 11:33 PM
That sure looks nice. Maybe.
Just the first piece of the puzzle.
Posted by: hot_shoe914 Jul 4 2010, 12:10 AM
Sure would make a super awesome door prize for MUSR 11 in October. 
Posted by: Gint Jul 4 2010, 01:05 AM
That would kick ass in the winter.
Posted by: zymurgist Jul 4 2010, 05:40 AM
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 4 2010, 06:21 AM
That would kick ass in the winter.
I know I'm going to use one. Here in Oregon, this should rock.
Posted by: realred914 Jul 4 2010, 10:25 AM
Sure would make a super awesome door prize for MUSR 11 in October.
cant happen, it will never be a door prize, now if your talking roof prizes, thats a different story.
Posted by: veltror Jul 4 2010, 02:25 PM
Stunning although we don't get much sun in the UK
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 4 2010, 09:37 PM
Stunning although we don't get much sun in the UK
Exactly, after this last winter I only got the top off for WCR. That's it. I really think it will make the winter driving more fun.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 4 2010, 09:59 PM
And...Saratoga Top or Sarasota Top ????
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 4 2010, 11:09 PM
And...Saratoga Top or Sarasota Top ????
Saratoga, I stand corrected.
Posted by: charliew Jul 5 2010, 05:49 PM
Well yours can be a Marks Sarasota Custom Top
Posted by: c12croft Jul 5 2010, 06:45 PM
Mark,
I for one, will take your word on it and be willing to buy it unseen. My gut tells me that you wouldn't be taking up so much of your time with the D&D, and be willing to attach your name to something that won't work.
Mark's Saratoga = 
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Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 2 2010, 12:58 AM
A little heads up here, I'm still working out a few details. The mounting details are pretty much worked out, I have made a few detail changes that will make this roof easier(also less expensive) to produce a higher quality product, Win Win.
I will have final pictures and will be starting a group buy as the price is finalized. I think you're going to like it!
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 3 2010, 09:42 AM
For those of you that follow my stuff. You may have noticed that I got side tracked on these.
I had to make the front bumpers with the solid support and that took me away from my planned schedule.
I'm back on these, and finishing prototyping in the next week to 10 days. You will notice that the new product has been redesigned completely, and the price on these should be quite reasonable. I'm debating on the shipped plan for these. I've looked into having custom cardboard boxes made, but inless I do 1000, they're comming back at $25 each. I'm working on a plan to make a reusable "crate" for shipping that will have memory foam to protect the unit when not in use.
I've just been so busy on these that I haven't been posting much.
I hope you will find these worth the wait as they will not be a poorly constructed product like the original. And price point will be less that $600.
I will be posting a group buy sign up list as soon as I have pictures for you to see exactly what I'm doing here.
Thanks,
mark
Posted by: mepstein Oct 3 2010, 09:46 AM
$25/box might not be bad since it could also be used as a storage box.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 3 2010, 09:49 AM
Wonder if the 911 targa guys would like one?
You could charge a lot more. 
Posted by: raw1298 Oct 3 2010, 10:04 AM
Wonder if the 911 targa guys would like one?
You could charge a lot more.
I am thinking the same as you, they pay 1200 and we each get one for 300?
.
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Oct 3 2010, 11:58 AM
For those of you that follow my stuff. You may have noticed that I got side tracked on these.
I had to make the front bumpers with the solid support and that took me away from my planned schedule.
I'm back on these, and finishing prototyping in the next week to 10 days. You will notice that the new product has been redesigned completely, and the price on these should be quite reasonable. I'm debating on the shipped plan for these. I've looked into having custom cardboard boxes made, but inless I do 1000, they're comming back at $25 each. I'm working on a plan to make a reusable "crate" for shipping that will have memory foam to protect the unit when not in use.
I've just been so busy on these that I haven't been posting much.
I hope you will find these worth the wait as they will not be a poorly constructed product like the original. And price point will be less that $600.
I will be posting a group buy sign up list as soon as I have pictures for you to see exactly what I'm doing here.
Thanks,
mark
Hi Mark,
Interesting project. I put my original Saratoga top on today that had been sitting since last year. It was a bitch to install & took me over 30-minutes to get it installed on the front end above the windshield without damaging the seal. I had to take great care getting it to fit the rubber seal. It is really a 2-man job due to the flex in the curvature. I hope you put more material in this area for strength and elimination of the flexing??
Saratoga tops are great when the weather is chilly and fall cruising.
Hey, I'll sell my origingal and buy your new one, maybe after I see it 
Tom
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 3 2010, 12:16 PM
Sounds great ! The storage box is gonna be a big plus ! Had a Saratoga and always has storage issues as well a front seal fitment issues. Ended up selling it to member in Singapore.
Looking forward to the prototypes.
Posted by: JRust Oct 3 2010, 12:50 PM
Very cool Mark! Can't wait to see them. Hope I can afford it when they come available
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 3 2010, 04:37 PM
$25/box might not be bad since it could also be used as a storage box.
Unfortunately this was double wall cardboard, and the quantity required isn't worth it. Fortunately I have a relationship with a company that builds pallets and crates, I'm thinking that in some quantity I may be able to make this an option. Not to mention I wouldn't have to worry about shipping (they would have to at least try to damage this).
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 3 2010, 04:38 PM
Wonder if the 911 targa guys would like one?
You could charge a lot more.
You mean something like this.....
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Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 3 2010, 04:44 PM
Wonder if the 911 targa guys would like one?
You could charge a lot more.
I am thinking the same as you, they pay 1200 and we each get one for 300?
.I can tell you this
It will be easier to install, it will seal better, and it will be more than $300, but for those of you that know me, I try to keep the price point as low as I can ( so you can have more cash for my other new stuff coming down the pipe!).
Posted by: Rleog Oct 3 2010, 08:46 PM
You're sitting on a big seller here: 914 and 911 Targa. Good luck with the prototypes.
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 3 2010, 11:55 PM
I hope so, but the key is afordibility. Looks like I'll have a sweet pricepoint for these, and will be able to finalize the numbers in the next week.
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 01:07 PM
The prototype is done and the fiberglass substructure complete. I will have the first parts to assemble the production completed in January.
Just was so excited to have this done I waned to post a few pics.
The new roofs will come with OEM style side seals, and rear seal. I'm actually machining new latches that will be adjustable without removing them from the roof, as well as rear mounts. The OEM ones are on the roof at this time.
You will notice that some of the bonding agent is visible through the roof top. This will be addressed by adding frit on the inside that will black out the areas where the 2 parts bond. I will be posting some pictures on a car later this evening.
This was a complete redesign from the original concept, but I'm much happier with the product.
I will pre-sell the first 10 units for delivery in March (or sooner) at $620+ shipping. I anticipate the production costs will put these at a retail of $750.
I will offer a plywood shipping / storage box for $40, with memory foam to hold it nice and tight.
I'm working out the shipping costs now, but it looks like about $45 in to LA, and about $65 to NY.
More to be posted soon
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Posted by: johannes Dec 21 2010, 01:34 PM
Looks awesome ... Any picture of the roof on the car ?
Posted by: Andyrew Dec 21 2010, 01:43 PM
Wow!! Just Wow!!!
Posted by: mepstein Dec 21 2010, 01:48 PM
IIRC, ~ same price that origionals sold for 25 years ago!
Posted by: TurboWalt Dec 21 2010, 01:49 PM
I'll take one of the first 10, are you accepting payment for these yet?
Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 Dec 21 2010, 02:08 PM
Looks good Mark!
Posted by: brant Dec 21 2010, 04:43 PM
I'm filing my taxes as early as possible
I hope I get my refund in time to get in on this
very cool.
brant
Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Dec 21 2010, 04:59 PM
Wow! you make some amazing things Mark 
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 05:35 PM
Got some pictures with the roof installed.
A perfect fit, just like OEM. The window sit right under the outer rubber lip. Good closure on the rear and at the front.
I do have some detail work to do on the final product that make it nicer that the one pictured. But they are cosmetic. Some of the issues we ran into were the bonding, and the work time for the same materials. I'm in the process of making the assembly jigs and mounting hardware from aluminum and stainless.
I'll be sending out the information for payment later tonight or in the morning. I'm only doing 10 right off the bat as I want to be able to assure my costs will stay where they are planned, and we can work out any bugs on a small production run.
So, yes I will be taking deposits shortly, and they will be produced in the order received.
I will do a larger group buy, but the cost may be slightly higher (hopefully not).
Here's some eye candy
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Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 05:43 PM
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This is one of the cosmetic details to be addressed. We will have to use slightly longer material to allow for shrinkage. Also we will be utilizing another material for edge bonding to allow for a longer working time. This also requires jigs to hold while it sets up.
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Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 05:44 PM
Side with window tucked nicely under the seal, just like OEM!
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Posted by: racerbvd Dec 21 2010, 05:49 PM
That looks like a better top than my Saratoga 
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 05:49 PM
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Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 21 2010, 05:51 PM
That was what I was going for. Why make something that's a copy of a crappy design?
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Posted by: quadracerx Dec 21 2010, 06:23 PM
WOW...is all I can say...besides "I want one"....LOL Now to just find the $....
Nice job...
Steve
Posted by: edrotol Dec 21 2010, 06:52 PM
The prototype is done and the fiberglass substructure complete. I will have the first parts to assemble the production completed in January.
Just was so excited to have this done I waned to post a few pics.
The new roofs will come with OEM style side seals, and rear seal. I'm actually machining new latches that will be adjustable without removing them from the roof, as well as rear mounts. The OEM ones are on the roof at this time.
You will notice that some of the bonding agent is visible through the roof top. This will be addressed by adding frit on the inside that will black out the areas where the 2 parts bond. I will be posting some pictures on a car later this evening.
This was a complete redesign from the original concept, but I'm much happier with the product.
I will pre-sell the first 10 units for delivery in March (or sooner) at $620+ shipping. I anticipate the production costs will put these at a retail of $750.
I will offer a plywood shipping / storage box for $40, with memory foam to hold it nice and tight.
I'm working out the shipping costs now, but it looks like about $45 in to LA, and about $65 to NY.
More to be posted soon
i would lke to reserve one. Mark. (You remember me of course??? East coast guy waiting for the seals FOR MY ORIGINAL SARATOGA!!!! We have been communicating for 2 years now I think.)
Posted by: porsche913b_sp Dec 21 2010, 09:12 PM
Dumb question, will it fit in the trunk like the targa top ?
Dam its tempting. I want one.
Posted by: jim_hoyland Dec 21 2010, 09:41 PM
Put me down for the initial run. PM sent.
Posted by: karlo Dec 21 2010, 11:41 PM
Super nice!
Heavier or lighter than the stock top?
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 22 2010, 12:57 AM
You could put them in the rear trunk, but they are 1/16" taller. the clearance is minimal, and you would have to put a cloth between the roof and the deck lid, as abrasion is possible over bumps.
However, due to the nature of the material used I would STRONGLY discourage doing so as you are risking damage that may not be repairable.
This is one of the reasons I decided to make a shipping box that can be used for storage.
It is slightly heaver than a stock top, but within 2 lbs.
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 22 2010, 01:38 AM
PMs sent to all so far.
-Mark
Posted by: Kansas 914 Dec 22 2010, 07:28 AM
PMs sent to all so far.
-Mark
I'm in for the first run - thanks Mark - you ROCK!
Posted by: dflesburg Dec 22 2010, 07:36 AM
sweet.
Posted by: hot_shoe914 Dec 22 2010, 07:57 AM
This is going to make an awesome b'day present! 
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 23 2010, 01:17 AM
At this point it looks like I have the 10 sold out. I'm waiting for some checks to come in to confirm, so I'm going to let the dust settle here to see if anyone drops out. If there is any drops I'll post here.
I do plan to do a group buy for those that may not make it on this run. The idea is that this is a proving run and if there are any unexpected expenses I eat them on this run, and I may have to adjust the price acordingly. With that being said, I'm not anticipating there will be any, but sometimes you don't know until you go into full production.
Posted by: SGB Dec 23 2010, 02:29 PM
BTW, I believe he also makes those cool deck rails in his avatar...
So Mark, when you bought a 914, did you think it would lead to this?
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 23 2010, 06:07 PM
BTW, I believe he also makes those cool deck rails in his avatar...
So Mark, when you bought a 914, did you think it would lead to this?
Not really. My first was back in 85, it wasn't until I started assembling a father son project with Mikey (Mikey914) , that this all kind of came together. It's actually more of a sickness than a hobby at this point. But, I like it, and it keeps me out of trouble (kind of).
I do also provide rail packages for residential and commercial projects all over the mainland and Hawaii. My specialty is component based aluminum railing that is pre-finished and assembles on-site for a perfect fit, and allows for site adjustment for some variation. Glass infill is most popular, with stainless cable the next most popular. I deal mostly with contractors, but can also work directly with home owners, if they intend to install themselves. If they have some basic carpentry skills it can be accomplished fairy easily. The website is DIYRailing.com.
Here's a few better pictures - Note the posts are mounted directly on the corner of the deck. Most railings require a double post.
-Mark
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Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 23 2010, 06:08 PM
One more shameless plug
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Posted by: Rleog Dec 23 2010, 09:33 PM
Whew! Beautiful view.
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 24 2010, 01:07 AM
Yes a rare nice sunny day on the Oregon coast. The house sits on the edge of a cliff about 400' elevation. Really nice place when it's done, I plan to go back and take a few more pictures for the website later.
Posted by: racerbvd Dec 26 2010, 12:01 PM
My 76 looks good with a lexan top, and it would be nice to have one that I didn't have to worry about "peeling" away at speeds (happened to a friend's 911 with a "Sara",) and I too had one on my at the time targa, and it too was coming appart 
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 29 2010, 01:24 AM
Here's the update on payments recieved
R Heinonen
J Hoyland
R Ramirez
R Beckman
R Goulet
I have been told that there are 4 other payments inbound, possibly 5. I will know by the end of the week if there is one still available.
-Mark
Posted by: craig downs Dec 29 2010, 01:51 AM
If you have a spot open up I would like to fill it. If not I'll wait for the next round.
Awesome piece
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 29 2010, 02:00 AM
If you have a spot open up I would like to fill it. If not I'll wait for the next round.
Awesome piece
Craig,
You are #1 on the standby list, I think your odds are good, but I will not know for sure until the end of the week.
Thanks,
mark
Posted by: craig downs Dec 29 2010, 02:11 AM
Great
Thanks Mark
Posted by: 914junkie Dec 30 2010, 01:09 AM
Nice work! Those are so cool! I can't afford one right now but I hope you continue to make them and I can get in on the next run. I'm just north of ya in Vancouver, WA. I'd love to swing by sometime and take a look at one up close if that's a possibility. Paul.
Posted by: Mikey914 Dec 30 2010, 12:04 PM
As soon as I get these completed I'll be doing a group buy, I just needed a limited run to get the production under control. These will be issued with a serial number and the boxes will be ready next week. So more pictures soon.
Posted by: HaraldD Dec 30 2010, 12:28 PM
Hello,
two questions.
Does it fit to earlier car`s? (i have a 70)
And - what do you think are the shipping cost`s to germany?
Thanks a lot!
Harald
Posted by: StratPlayer Dec 30 2010, 03:17 PM
Put me on the list on the next run mikey..... thxs
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 2 2011, 12:20 AM
Updated list
R Heinonen
J Hoyland
R Ramirez
R Beckman
R Goulet
D Bryson
B McClung
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 2 2011, 12:27 AM
Hello,
two questions.
Does it fit to earlier car`s? (i have a 70)
And - what do you think are the shipping cost`s to germany?
Thanks a lot!
Harald
Yes, and I can;t tell you for sure until I have the crates build this next week, as they are a dimensional weight charge, not actual as they are not that heavy.
-Mark
PS PM me you zip code and I'll look it up once I finalize the size.
Posted by: Kansas 914 Jan 2 2011, 12:30 AM
Updated list
R Heinonen
J Hoyland
R Ramirez
R Beckman
R Goulet
D Bryson
B McClung
Does this mean I can get in on the first run of 10? How much should I PayPal you if so?
Posted by: racerbvd Jan 2 2011, 07:21 PM
How 
Posted by: Rod Jan 3 2011, 12:06 PM
Hello hello!!
I haven't checked back on this in a while and I now see they are available!! Very interested in one as I always have been, but now is not an ideal time as we are expecting our first baby so I have a lot of expense right now! New car, all the baby stuff, just extended the house etc. So I'll skip this round of ten that it looks like you have now filled, but I'll be on the next group buy please - just please let me know shipping to GU10 5BX in the UK on top.
Best, Rod.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 4 2011, 12:00 AM
Updated list
R Heinonen
J Hoyland
R Ramirez
R Beckman
R Goulet
D Bryson
B McClung
Just got 2 in today
T Lui
Reimer
I'm going to give the last party another day and then will open up the spot
I plan to open up a group buy on these after I have more of these out there. I thing when you see these they will sell themselves. Also as not all the costs have been fully solidified, it's an educated guess as to what I can see these for. I want to keep the cost down so more people can afford them, but I don't want to loose my a$$. I think I've got it dialed in on the costs, but you don't know until you do it. This is why I wanted a limited run. I hope that things will allow me to produce these on a better time table than stated, but I needed to build in some "fudge" as there allways seems to be something that takes longer that you would think.
SO, after this run is complete, I will open up the group buy. If you are interested plese chime in on this thread, and I'll forward the info at that time to those on the thread 1st. in the order thay have responded.
I'm starting on the crate tomorrow and should have pictures in the evenig if all goes well.
-Mark
Posted by: DanT Jan 4 2011, 12:09 AM
Mark, please put me on the list as interested in the next group buy on these
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 6 2011, 01:42 AM
Updated list
R Heinonen
J Hoyland
R Ramirez
R Beckman
R Goulet
D Bryson
B McClung
T Lui
Reimer
M Moorman
Also pictures of the crate. May use more foam and a few larger boards. Will be using door hinges with 4 latches, 2 on the top, one on each side. The crate cost for those that didn't get in on the 1st run may go up slightly, and I may ship in a velor bag.
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Posted by: tommy69 Jan 6 2011, 01:55 PM
Hai
Very nice
How much cost it completly to send it to germany?
Greeting
Thomas
Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 Jan 6 2011, 10:43 PM
Mark, Put me on the list. Thanks.
Posted by: bigkensteele Jan 6 2011, 10:52 PM
Count me in on the next opportunity.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 7 2011, 02:08 AM
I'm working on the shipping for these at it's current size it's oversize and costs more than it should. I'm shopping freight rates to try to get this at a reasonable cost. Internationally, I will need to use a freight forwarder, and will be looking at several options right now. I'll let you know more when I have the details worked out.
Posted by: dflesburg Jan 7 2011, 07:51 AM
WUNDERBAR!!!
Posted by: racerbvd Jan 7 2011, 08:16 PM
Very nice!!!!
Posted by: SCV Jan 8 2011, 09:48 AM
These tops look awesome, and I'll definitely be saving for one. Keep up the excellent work, Mikey914.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 8 2011, 10:02 AM
Whats protecting the edges of the top from hitting the perimeter frame of the crate? Shouldn't the crate be wider to allow a foam spacer to protect all 4 edges?
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 8 2011, 10:33 AM
The way I've set this up the foam compresses in the middle to hold the roof, and the edges compress down so the roof gets wedged into the foan as it's compressed. I may add a litttle foam to the outside edge ad insurrance, butthis set up hold the roof well and isn't putting too much pressure on the roof. There is about 1/2" all the way around. I would like more, but I tried to build this to a minimal size to reduce shipping costs.
Posted by: bernbomb914 Jan 8 2011, 11:27 AM
I am interested in the next run
Posted by: dflesburg Feb 7 2011, 12:24 PM
How did they come out?
Posted by: dflesburg Feb 16 2011, 08:45 AM
did they come out yet?
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 21 2011, 09:55 PM
These are due out March 15th, and are on schedule. I have the new substructure fiberglass molds done and they look great. I decided a gloss finish would be nicer than just a rough texture.
The hardware for the front latching mechanism is almost done, just working out the geometry to get a better fit.
They will be easily adjustable and I think these will be better than OEM.
Some initial pictures tomorrow evening.
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Posted by: Socalandy Feb 21 2011, 10:06 PM
Please add me to the list for the next run!! Great job
Thks
Posted by: kg6dxn Feb 21 2011, 10:37 PM
I'm in maybe, what's the price?
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 21 2011, 10:40 PM
The first run went out at $620, I'm trying to keep as close to that for s group buy as possible. It will be more as I have some cost increases, but I will be able to finalize the price once all is done.
Posted by: Kansas 914 Feb 22 2011, 07:50 AM
These are due out March 15th, and are on schedule.
WOW!
I am so happy I got in on the first run - March 15th is my birthday - what a great gift I bought myself!!
Thanks Mark - cheers!
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 25 2011, 11:14 AM
First shot at the front adjuster handles. Pretty close but need to change some of the geometry.
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Posted by: jim_hoyland Feb 25 2011, 11:41 AM
Nice latches. How are the rears going ?
Posted by: Root_Werks Feb 25 2011, 11:45 AM
I should have gotten on the first run.
These look very cool.
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 26 2011, 03:01 PM
Nice latches. How are the rears going ?
The rears are next.SHould be much easier. Going to use a block and machine out the mounting hardware points and thread in a stud that will be machined for the "hooks". The blocks can be shimmed as required, and a rubber top will be applied to the top of the block for spacing.
Posted by: 71six Mar 3 2011, 05:32 PM
I would like in on the group buy when it happens Will prospective purchasers be notified? Don't want to miss the opportunity when it occures 
Mark
Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 6 2011, 12:08 AM
I would like in on the group buy when it happens
Will prospective purchasers be notified? Don't want to miss the opportunity when it occures Mark
1st production run has closed out and shipping will start the 15th. As soon as they are complete I will have a group buy. I needed to get a few of these out there and get the processes nailed down. I did have some price increases that will bump up the costs for the next run, but those that stepped up early got an even better deal.
I'll contact anyone who expresses an interest in these as soon as the full production is ready to begin.
Thanks,
Mark
Posted by: tommy69 Mar 6 2011, 04:48 AM
Hi Mark
I would like to have 2 of such a roof, I had written months ago.
How, then, is the exact process?
What does it cost including shipping to Germany?
Sorry for my bad English, I write with translator
Greetings
Thomas
Posted by: dflesburg May 11 2011, 12:11 PM
How are the tops coming along?
Posted by: partsman May 11 2011, 02:53 PM
please count me in for the next run... I guess my kids college funds will take a little hit, but....
Eric
Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 02:20 AM
Well, I finally go these moving. Took me a bit to get all the parts made. I grossly underestimated the amount of time it takes to assemble and polish these. Right now I will be moving 1-2 per week and have the 1st two packed and ready to go.
I test fit on my car to assure the fit would be good for these. I decide to leave off the seals so that they could be installed so they fit perfectly on the car they will be going on.
I have managed to minimize the edge issue utilizing a custom profile. and added a rubber trim to the back edge. I had thought about adding this to the front also but the fitment for the seal I was planing to use interfered with installation. I may add some additional clearance to be able to accommodate this in the future, but for now it's simply a clean edge.
I have brought on some additional help to help get these rolling that will hopefully increase output and make these easier to produce. My biggest problem with these is that as I started to assemble them, I kept finding ways to make improvements. Some I felt were necessary to incorporate, others will be rolled out as they are ready, and will be incorporated in future production. I have already redesigned the hardware for the attachment points to a unique design that will make it very straight forward and will be a cleaner look.
I have added serial numbers to these as a nice little touch. That way I can have a history for each one. You may notice that the first serial number is 0003, this is because the 1st prototype is 1, and I did sacrifice #2 to destructive testing to see how well the bonding agent worked, and see where I could make any improvements.
I also had custom boxes made for the fist 6 that utilize a laminated cardboard design. They are very light, and say they are as strong as a wooden crate. The crate is also slightly larger and will cost more to ship, but I will be giving my customers the option. They are actually the same price at $50, and I don't care which way you prefer as I'm just passing the cost on.
Thanks to all for your patience and I will be bringing on to WCR for all to see.
-Mark
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 02:26 AM
I was able to minimize some of the ugliness on the edge.
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 02:28 AM
It takes quite a bit longer than I had planned to polish these and they scratch way if you are not careful. I actually started wrapping the acrylic portion in plastic after I finish forming them.
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 02:31 AM
This is the back side with the protective rubber edge installed. This way you can actually set it down on that edge if you need to.
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 02:34 AM
If you use Meguire's plastic detail-er, you can polish without statically charging the roof. If not you have a dust magnet ...... literally.
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Posted by: johannes May 31 2011, 02:56 AM
That's the coolest accessory in 40 years ...
Posted by: db9146 May 31 2011, 09:49 AM
Are the interior latches going to be painted black or anodized black so that they are not so obvious?
Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 09:56 AM
The latches have actually been completely redesigned, and yes the new ones will be black anodized.
Posted by: porbmw May 31 2011, 09:10 PM
Hey Mark
Those look AWESOME.
What a lot of work!....and talent.
Just to say....NO rush on mine, take care of any others on the list first and keep em all happy...... I"m way behind re my little project, so to the extent that others can enjoy the product over the summer, would be pleased if they get theirs first.
BTW
I"m doing some reno (still) to my cabin...well, I will be this summer.
If I recall, you do work re handrails, aluminum or stainless, etc.
Do you have a web site...or pics of what you do....I have some vague thoughts of where I may go with some stuff, and it may be that you would be able to supply some product.....
Anyway, way to go with all your products...and the WAS.
Paul
Posted by: porbmw May 31 2011, 09:11 PM
Sorry to the teeners, meant that to be a PM...but don't think I insulted anyone 
Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2011, 11:36 PM
It is the season-
DIYRailing.com
I'm renewing the certificate on the site so you may get a warning that the certificate expired, should be fixed in the morning.
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Posted by: treborzerimar Jun 1 2011, 12:35 AM
Mark -
WOW!
Am I actually getting one of these???!!
Awesome work....... cheers!
Keep me posted!
- Robert R.
Posted by: charliew Jun 1 2011, 04:02 PM
I won't be needing one of these for awhile but I will want one in the future. I'm pretty picky so when you are completely happy with the quality I'm interested.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 3 2011, 07:44 AM
I won't be needing one of these for awhile but I will want one in the future. I'm pretty picky so when you are completely happy with the quality I'm interested.
Unfortunately / fortunately I am too. That's one of the reasons this thing took so long. I'm gearing up to be able to continue producing 2 per week and as I produce more the product will continue to evolve I'm sure.
-Mark
Posted by: dflesburg Jun 9 2011, 08:54 AM
excellent keep us posted so I can order.
Posted by: flat4tom Jun 10 2011, 04:58 PM
I just found this thread...all I can say is WOW!
When I first bought my 914 I searched for a Saratoga top and came up empty.
Please let me know when you decide to do the group buy on these, I'm definitely interested!
Thanks and great work!
Tom
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 10 2011, 11:46 PM
Status right now is
8 (10 right now) on back order
2 to ship next week
2 that have already shipped
-16 units of substructure done
(10 will be consumed in the filling of the back orders) I anticipate I will have 9-10 on hand when I open up the group buy.
These are being produced at 1 per week, but can be increased to 2-3 per week once I'm caught up.
3 acrylic sections formed (going to try to get done another 4-5 this weekend)
After the 2 that are being laid up this weekend are done
The assembly is done in fixtures are we ar actually changing the bonding material to a fully catalized material to help speed up the process we are doing some testing this weekend to assure it will work. The only issue is that it is a white color and we have to use a special frit and assure it bonds fully to the both parts and then make sure it will not show through.
Eevryone has been quite patient and I have got quite an education on making these and I'm glad that I did a limited run as it is allowing me to sort out materials, design ,and assembly details.
The day job has been getting in the way, but it will get better soon and I have brought on some help. My bigest problem is that I have once again spread myself too thin, but it's coming together nicely, and we will be in a position to do some volume on these soon.
I will not take any additional orders until can assure they will be able to ship in pretty short order.
Thanks to all more to follow shortly,
-Mark
Posted by: siverson Jun 11 2011, 01:07 AM
Please add me to the back order when ready... ! Looks great!
Posted by: 71six Jun 11 2011, 10:19 AM
Mark,
Are you adding those who have expressed a desire to be in on the group buy to your list for the next run? Post #114 was mine in case you are.
Thanks
Mark Curtin
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 11 2011, 10:37 PM
I wlll be notifiying everyone that signed up so if they want in I have a list of people to send the email out to. This next week should be the turning point in getting production out the door. I anticipate I will open up the group buy in about 10 days.
-Mark
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 1 2011, 02:25 AM
Well I've got all the parts formed and bonded. I'm polishing and mounting the hardware. Looks like the back orders will be filled as soon as I can finish this up. I anticipate I'll have them all shipped end of next week.
I have started a fresh group buy thread with the first roofs to ship in 10 days, at a rate of 2 per week.
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