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Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 05:33 PM
Whats the big deal?
So what that there was only 11 produced..
To me that just means Porsche realized it was a flop and did not produce them.
Porsche probably realized that most people would choose a targa over a non-targa.
It is nothing more than a flared 914-6 without a targa top... to me that is a BIG NEGATIVE.
If i had it i would sell it... buy a REAL 914-6 (cuz it has a targa)... a plymouth prowler... and a ford flex... and multiple other toys.
My opinion.
Your opinion may differ... but that is ok.
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 06:24 PM
The 916 was Porsche's answer to the Ferrari Dino. They quit after 11 (+1) when they realized what they would have to charge for them. And they couldn't effective put A/C in them. George's is the only A/C car and it has a big hole & box behind the driver's seat. It's too bad he has never replicated the Original Upholstry.
All the 916s were given/sold to Porsche family members.
The Steel Roof is very useful. When I had my Steel-Roof -6, I was amazed at how stiff it was.
That being said, the prices that 916s fetch are crazy.
Posted by: McMark Sep 5 2010, 06:35 PM
Why buy a 914/6? They're underpowered and if you upgrade the motor, the conversion motor mounts are better design and the aftermarket oil tanks are larger capacity. So why 'pay chump prices' just for a VIN?
tongue in cheek
Rarity has value. It always will. 
Posted by: realred914 Sep 5 2010, 07:16 PM
so the guy that dont like the 916 thinks this is good...
per wikipedia:
The Flex has not been successful, with sales less half the target of 100,000 vehicles that Ford had expected to sell each year. The disappointing sales have been attributed to several factors; being too expensive compared to minivans like the Toyota Sienna, while its boxy and polarizing exterior styling was not popular among suburbanites. However, Ford was hesitant to discontinue the Flex, as it can be produced at relatively low cost since it shares the same platform as the Lincoln MKT, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS. To spur sales of the Flex, Ford is offering "Employee Pricing" (dealer invoice pricing), plus $5,000 CAD in incentives.[11]
thak is one ugly ford, awfull ugly heck they cant even sell them all. them small windows and low roof line make it a clusterfophibic cave like interior. plus it has no targa roof. plus visability is so bad rear ward they added a rear view camera Wonder how long all these electric gizmos will last????
puke 
so much for taste.
give me a 916 with a blown motor anyday over a a new flex.
Posted by: underthetire Sep 5 2010, 08:03 PM
Didn't the 916 have a "real" carrera 3.2 or something in it?
Posted by: URY914 Sep 5 2010, 08:06 PM
2.4
Posted by: bandjoey Sep 5 2010, 08:17 PM
Porsche realized the 916 would kill the 911 if it was raced. 
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM) 
so the guy that dont like the 916 thinks this is good...
Never said i didnt like them. i just think that they are missing a huge selling factor: the targa
they are a 914...
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
per wikipedia:
The Flex has not been successful, with sales less half the target of 100,000 vehicles that Ford had expected to sell each year. The disappointing sales have been attributed to several factors; being too expensive compared to minivans like the Toyota Sienna, while its boxy and polarizing exterior styling was not popular among suburbanites. However, Ford was hesitant to discontinue the Flex, as it can be produced at relatively low cost since it shares the same platform as the Lincoln MKT, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS. To spur sales of the Flex, Ford is offering "Employee Pricing" (dealer invoice pricing), plus $5,000 CAD in incentives.[11]
per wikipedia: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
RED FLAG!!!
That means not always fact. I could go into wikipedia if i wanted to and say that the flex is the best selling ford of all time.
on the same note i could go in and say that the 916 werent produced because porsche realized the flaws
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
thak is one ugly ford, awfull ugly heck they cant even sell them all. them small windows and low roof line make it a clusterfophibic cave like interior. plus it has no targa roof. plus visability is so bad rear ward they added a rear view camera Wonder how long all these electric gizmos will last????
puke
so much for taste.
puke
so much for taste.
just cuz u dont like it doesnt make my taste bad... just means we have different tastes.
AND THAT IS OK.
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
give me a 916 with a blown motor anyday over a a new flex.
If i had to choose between the 2 i also would choose the 916 with the blown motor over the flex any day... BUT i would still sell it and go back to my original statement.
Posted by: bandjoey Sep 5 2010, 08:21 PM
I might never get to the museum and it's a real close up of car history to see George's car.
Why does Jay Leno have and cherish 129 antique cars. Cause he can. 
Posted by: URY914 Sep 5 2010, 08:22 PM
Why do people like a 911 RSR, I mean it's just a 911 with flares and a bigger engine. So what it is rare, faster and worth more money, big deal. 
Posted by: URY914 Sep 5 2010, 08:23 PM
And the point of this thread is?????????
Posted by: charliew Sep 5 2010, 08:28 PM
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 08:16 PM)
so the guy that dont like the 916 thinks this is good...
per wikipedia:
The Flex has not been successful, with sales less half the target of 100,000 vehicles that Ford had expected to sell each year. The disappointing sales have been attributed to several factors; being too expensive compared to minivans like the Toyota Sienna, while its boxy and polarizing exterior styling was not popular among suburbanites. However, Ford was hesitant to discontinue the Flex, as it can be produced at relatively low cost since it shares the same platform as the Lincoln MKT, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS. To spur sales of the Flex, Ford is offering "Employee Pricing" (dealer invoice pricing), plus $5,000 CAD in incentives.[11]
thak is one ugly ford, awfull ugly heck they cant even sell them all. them small windows and low roof line make it a clusterfophibic cave like interior. plus it has no targa roof. plus visability is so bad rear ward they added a rear view camera Wonder how long all these electric gizmos will last????
puke
so much for taste.
give me a 916 with a blown motor anyday over a a new flex.
Just a comment about employee pricing from ford. I worked for a alcoa fastener plant that was called huck fasteners for awhile. Huck made fasteners for ford so employees got employee pricing. The prices we got were below what the dealer paid. A dealer got mad at me when I considered buying a king ranch 4x4 crewcab truck because he couldn't get very many and he thought he could get retail for it. This was in 2000. I ended up with a harley truck but the deal was the employee pricing for huck employees was less than dealer price not dealer cost.
I like the 916 it is different.
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 08:28 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Sep 5 2010, 10:23 PM)
And the point of this thread is?????????
I made a statement.
I am allowed to state what I want.
U are gonna ask my point on 914 content on a 914 board.
If that is all you have to say i would think u would pick a topic that really has no point or reason to be on a porsche forum.
Posted by: BMITCHELL Sep 5 2010, 08:35 PM
I remember a very successful tv program that was based on the same idea of "no point at all". 
Seinfeld
Posted by: biosurfer1 Sep 5 2010, 08:56 PM
"I read that on Wikipedia and a lot of smart people post there so that means its true"
-Michael Scott
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 09:15 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 07:19 PM)
per wikipedia: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
RED FLAG!!!
Well, kiiiiiinda. Your entry is still subject to be submitted/verified and if it doesn't have a reference, it wont fly. It is imperfect, but I would say for the incredible amount of information it provides, its comparable.
Oh hey! Look! 2 Pennies!
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 09:53 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Sep 5 2010, 10:06 PM)
2.4
2.4S
And yes they regular 914 VIN#s
Here's Gustl's 916 info
http://www.oct.at/wos/916/916Liste.htm
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 09:59 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 5 2010, 11:15 PM)
Well, kiiiiiinda. Your entry is still subject to be submitted/verified and if it doesn't have a reference, it wont fly. It is imperfect, but I would say for the incredible amount of information it provides, its comparable.
Oh hey! Look! 2 Pennies!
well i would venture to say that George could be called to testify in a court of law as an expert.
here is an ad that he wrote to sell his 916.
http://www.thisweekinmotors.com/1972-porsche-916-one-of-only-11-made-is-on-the-market-for-495000/
and i am pretty sure there is plenty of other legit documentation on the web...
Posted by: Gustl Sep 5 2010, 10:00 PM
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 6 2010, 01:24 AM)
All the 916s were given/sold to Porsche family members.
definitely not !!!
5 cars were given to members of the Porsche / Piech family (Wolfgang Porsche, Gerhard Porsche, Dr. Michael Porsche, Ferdinand Piech and Luise Piech)
the other cars were sold to "good customers of the Porsche factory"
Gustl Posted by: Gustl Sep 5 2010, 10:01 PM
QUOTE(underthetire @ Sep 6 2010, 03:03 AM)
Didn't the 916 have a "real" carrera 3.2 or something in it?
the early cars had 2.4 S - later cars had the 2.7 RS
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 10:02 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Sep 6 2010, 12:00 AM)
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 6 2010, 01:24 AM)
All the 916s were given/sold to Porsche family members.
definitely not !!!
5 cars were given to members of the Porsche / Piech family (Wolfgang Porsche, Gerhard Porsche, Dr. Michael Porsche, Ferdinand Piech and Luise Piech)
the other cars were sold to "good customers of the Porsche factory"
GustlFamily Members/Good Customers is correct - that is what I was going for originally, but lost my train of thought
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:03 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 08:59 PM)
and i am pretty sure there is plenty of other legit documentation on the web...
Who decides what is legit?
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:05 PM
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:02 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Sep 6 2010, 12:00 AM)
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 6 2010, 01:24 AM)
All the 916s were given/sold to Porsche family members.
definitely not !!!
5 cars were given to members of the Porsche / Piech family (Wolfgang Porsche, Gerhard Porsche, Dr. Michael Porsche, Ferdinand Piech and Luise Piech)
the other cars were sold to "good customers of the Porsche factory"
GustlFamily Members/Good Customers is correct - that is what I was going for originally, but lost my train of thought
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the '+1' the 916 that one of the 'Special Works' mechanics made over a period of a few years?
Posted by: realred914 Sep 5 2010, 10:07 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 07:19 PM)
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
so the guy that dont like the 916 thinks this is good...
Never said i didnt like them. i just think that they are missing a huge selling factor: the targa
they are a 914...
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
per wikipedia:
The Flex has not been successful, with sales less half the target of 100,000 vehicles that Ford had expected to sell each year. The disappointing sales have been attributed to several factors; being too expensive compared to minivans like the Toyota Sienna, while its boxy and polarizing exterior styling was not popular among suburbanites. However, Ford was hesitant to discontinue the Flex, as it can be produced at relatively low cost since it shares the same platform as the Lincoln MKT, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS. To spur sales of the Flex, Ford is offering "Employee Pricing" (dealer invoice pricing), plus $5,000 CAD in incentives.[11]
per wikipedia: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
RED FLAG!!!
That means not always fact. I could go into wikipedia if i wanted to and say that the flex is the best selling ford of all time.
on the same note i could go in and say that the 916 werent produced because porsche realized the flaws
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
thak is one ugly ford, awfull ugly heck they cant even sell them all. them small windows and low roof line make it a clusterfophibic cave like interior. plus it has no targa roof. plus visability is so bad rear ward they added a rear view camera Wonder how long all these electric gizmos will last????
puke
so much for taste.
puke
so much for taste.
just cuz u dont like it doesnt make my taste bad... just means we have different tastes.
AND THAT IS OK.
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
give me a 916 with a blown motor anyday over a a new flex.
If i had to choose between the 2 i also would choose the 916 with the blown motor over the flex any day... BUT i would still sell it and go back to my original statement.
well if you want to dispute what wikipedia stated that i copied, then bring on your facts on the flex, at least the wikipedia atrticle is referanced. you will of course supply refuting refereance that will disprove the facts I got from wikipedia, Right?
what dont you agree with: the fact that the sales are only about half of what ford expected, or the fact some folks attribute the poor sales to the styling that is not popular, or the price is thought to be too high compaired to a competing brand? which fact(s) is in dispute here?
if you got better facts, bring it on baby!
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:03 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 08:59 PM)
and i am pretty sure there is plenty of other legit documentation on the web...
Who decides what is legit?
people with the documentation.
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 10:15 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 11:59 PM)
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 5 2010, 11:15 PM)
Well, kiiiiiinda. Your entry is still subject to be submitted/verified and if it doesn't have a reference, it wont fly. It is imperfect, but I would say for the incredible amount of information it provides, its comparable.
Oh hey! Look! 2 Pennies!
well i would venture to say that George could be called to testify in a court of law as an expert.
here is an ad that he wrote to sell his 916.
http://www.thisweekinmotors.com/1972-porsche-916-one-of-only-11-made-is-on-the-market-for-495000/
and i am pretty sure there is plenty of other legit documentation on the web...
Except that Ad has inaccuracies. 1st of all, the 916 is Not for sale. George does this every few years to get attention. He would lose his claim to having "the Best 914 Collection in the World" if he sold it. 2nd, The Interior made it past the Port. Here is a picture of the original ( which George should replicate). I have seen other pictures that Bill Warner took.
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
people with the documentation.
Then you should love Wikipedia, it has documentation (references) at the bottom of each page. It's as though you're reading a college essay. It's pretty rad.
Posted by: underthetire Sep 5 2010, 10:18 PM
Groovy baby!
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 10:18 PM
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 6 2010, 12:07 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 07:19 PM)
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
so the guy that dont like the 916 thinks this is good...
Never said i didnt like them. i just think that they are missing a huge selling factor: the targa
they are a 914...
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
per wikipedia:
The Flex has not been successful, with sales less half the target of 100,000 vehicles that Ford had expected to sell each year. The disappointing sales have been attributed to several factors; being too expensive compared to minivans like the Toyota Sienna, while its boxy and polarizing exterior styling was not popular among suburbanites. However, Ford was hesitant to discontinue the Flex, as it can be produced at relatively low cost since it shares the same platform as the Lincoln MKT, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS. To spur sales of the Flex, Ford is offering "Employee Pricing" (dealer invoice pricing), plus $5,000 CAD in incentives.[11]
per wikipedia: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
RED FLAG!!!
That means not always fact. I could go into wikipedia if i wanted to and say that the flex is the best selling ford of all time.
on the same note i could go in and say that the 916 werent produced because porsche realized the flaws
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
thak is one ugly ford, awfull ugly heck they cant even sell them all. them small windows and low roof line make it a clusterfophibic cave like interior. plus it has no targa roof. plus visability is so bad rear ward they added a rear view camera Wonder how long all these electric gizmos will last????
puke
so much for taste.
puke
so much for taste.
just cuz u dont like it doesnt make my taste bad... just means we have different tastes.
AND THAT IS OK.
QUOTE(realred914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:16 PM)
give me a 916 with a blown motor anyday over a a new flex.
If i had to choose between the 2 i also would choose the 916 with the blown motor over the flex any day... BUT i would still sell it and go back to my original statement.
well if you want to dispute what wikipedia stated that i copied, then bring on your facts on the flex, at least the wikipedia atrticle is referanced. you will of course supply refuting refereance that will disprove the facts I got from wikipedia, Right?
what dont you agree with: the fact that the sales are only about half of what ford expected, or the fact some folks attribute the poor sales to the styling that is not popular, or the price is thought to be too high compaired to a competing brand? which fact(s) is in dispute here?
if you got better facts, bring it on baby!
i have absolutely no facts on the flex.
i dont agree or disagree with what you said.
i dont care what previous sales are.
i dont need facts to have the desire to want one.
i want it because I LIKE IT... no other reason.
I dont care if Ferdinand Porsche would have hated it... I dont care if everyone in the country hates it BUT me... i still want it.
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 10:20 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:17 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
people with the documentation.
Then you should love Wikipedia, it has documentation (references) at the bottom of each page. It's as though you're reading a college essay. It's pretty rad.
yet wikipedia is an unacceptable point of reference in probably any college in the country.
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 10:23 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:05 AM)
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 5 2010, 09:02 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Sep 6 2010, 12:00 AM)
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 6 2010, 01:24 AM)
All the 916s were given/sold to Porsche family members.
definitely not !!!
5 cars were given to members of the Porsche / Piech family (Wolfgang Porsche, Gerhard Porsche, Dr. Michael Porsche, Ferdinand Piech and Luise Piech)
the other cars were sold to "good customers of the Porsche factory"
GustlFamily Members/Good Customers is correct - that is what I was going for originally, but lost my train of thought
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the '+1' the 916 that one of the 'Special Works' mechanics made over a period of a few years?
No, in my mind that is not a 916. As I remember that is a big bumper car 914-6
This is the +1. I used to drive it in Track Events @ Sebring. It had 35-50 Pages of documentation and it was made from a Real 914-6 instead of a 914 tub.
In my opinion it is no longer a 916, because it was taken apart for restoration and the wife of the owner stole/sold off the Real 916 bits. It was put back together, but lacks the correct stuff. It is still in Florida
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:20 PM)
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:17 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
people with the documentation.
Then you should love Wikipedia, it has documentation (references) at the bottom of each page. It's as though you're reading a college essay. It's pretty rad.
yet wikipedia is an unacceptable point of reference in probably any college in the country.
Well if you are using an APA or MLA format, it would actually make it quite easy, because, as I said, the source is listed at the bottom.
So, I could see it going somewhat like this....
"Hey! It says here on Wikipedia that [Insert fact/information/relation], cool! I'll just scroll down and look for the reference and insert it into my paper!
. Awesome! Now I can go play beer-pong!" Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:34 PM
What makes it a 'plus 1' instead of say, number 12?
Posted by: steveherman Sep 5 2010, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:29 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:20 PM)
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:17 AM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
people with the documentation.
Then you should love Wikipedia, it has documentation (references) at the bottom of each page. It's as though you're reading a college essay. It's pretty rad.
yet wikipedia is an unacceptable point of reference in probably any college in the country.
Well if you are using an APA or MLA format, it would actually make it quite easy, because, as I said, the source is listed at the bottom.
So, I could see it going somewhat like this....
"Hey! It says here on Wikipedia that [Insert fact/information/relation], cool! I'll just scroll down and look for the reference and insert it into my paper!
. Awesome! Now I can go play beer-pong!"and then you get an "F"... yeah for you... way to go genius
professors at the beginning tell you that wikipedia is not an acceptable reference point.
Posted by: RiqueMar Sep 5 2010, 10:40 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:39 PM)
and then you get an "F"... yeah for you... way to go genius
professors at the beginning tell you that wikipedia is not an acceptable reference point.
Not really, but ok
Posted by: carr914 Sep 5 2010, 10:48 PM
QUOTE(RiqueMar @ Sep 6 2010, 12:34 AM)
What makes it a 'plus 1' instead of say, number 12?
Because it was not part of the original run of 11, was made a year or so later @ Porsche by & for a Porsche employee, was a 914-6 VIN and was never excepted by all the experts as a "True" 916. As I said, it no longer has any of it's 916 pieces. I think it has a 3.0 litre motor as the woman sold off the 2.4. When it was apart and sitting under an Oak tree with flash rust, she offered it to me for $25K, but I passed as all the parts were gone and I'm not sure she still had the Documentation.
Posted by: MoveQik Sep 5 2010, 11:45 PM
QUOTE(underthetire @ Sep 5 2010, 07:03 PM)
Didn't the 916 have a "real" carrera 3.2 or something in it?
Sweet...I converted my 75 1.8 to a 916. The first $200k can have it!
Posted by: johannes Sep 6 2010, 12:54 AM
That tread is first class troll ... ![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Posted by: Zimms Sep 6 2010, 07:01 AM
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 6 2010, 12:15 AM)
Cool Photo TC. Have you come across any in color?
Posted by: nsr-jamie Sep 6 2010, 08:37 AM
So how much would a real 916 go for if one was available for sale? Just curious...and where would you go about finding one too....are any of the original cars for sale right now?
Posted by: bandjoey Sep 6 2010, 10:01 AM
QUOTE(nsr-jamie @ Sep 6 2010, 09:37 AM)
So how much would a real 916 go for if one was available for sale? Just curious...and where would you go about finding one too....are any of the original cars for sale right now?
Here you go. Price? Priceless unless you use Master Card.
http://www.oct.at/wos/916/916Liste.htm
Posted by: Gustl Sep 6 2010, 12:24 PM
QUOTE(nsr-jamie @ Sep 6 2010, 03:37 PM)
So how much would a real 916 go for if one was available for sale? Just curious...and where would you go about finding one too....are any of the original cars for sale right now?
within the last couple of years (4) of the 916 changed their owner
prices were far beyond 200k Euro ...
Posted by: URY914 Sep 6 2010, 02:17 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE(URY914 @ Sep 5 2010, 10:23 PM)
And the point of this thread is?????????
I made a statement.
I am allowed to state what I want.
U are gonna ask my point on 914 content on a 914 board.
If that is all you have to say i would think u would pick a topic that really has no point or reason to be on a porsche forum.
Boy you seem a little upset. You can ask all the Porsche questions you want on a Porsche but I think you still need a point to a thread. It you seem you don't like the 916. I guess that is the point of the thread. Ok, I answered my own question. Thanks
Posted by: 9146986 Sep 6 2010, 04:28 PM
In 1995 I bailed on buying Jerry Leonard's 916 for $75k. Probably would have been a great long term investment.
The reason I didn't is because I didn't want a museum piece, I wanted a car to drive, and who in their right mind would drive a 916 on the street? I also knew that I could (and did) build a more developed 914 than the 916 was/is, and so can anyone that wants to.
I like the rear "bumper" on the 916's but the front doesn't do much for me, I think it's kinda ugly.
Posted by: Vacca Rabite Sep 6 2010, 08:47 PM
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 11:39 PM)
QUOTE(steveherman @ Sep 5 2010, 09:20 PM)
yet wikipedia is an unacceptable point of reference in probably any college in the country.
and then you get an "F"... yeah for you... way to go genius
professors at the beginning tell you that wikipedia is not an acceptable reference point.
Err.... Have you been on a university campus in the past 4 or 5 years? All of the professors at the graduate level for my MBA had zero problems with Wikipedia.
Most of them will say that they expect to see more then wikipedia cited in your work, but almost all of them agree that it is a fantastic starting point.
As to the 916... Whatever. Its something that I will never have, and is too far outside my frame of reference to care about. If I want one, I know how to convert my car to be one.
Zach
Posted by: nsr-jamie Sep 6 2010, 09:44 PM
QUOTE(bandjoey @ Sep 7 2010, 01:01 AM)
QUOTE(nsr-jamie @ Sep 6 2010, 09:37 AM)
So how much would a real 916 go for if one was available for sale? Just curious...and where would you go about finding one too....are any of the original cars for sale right now?
Here you go. Price? Priceless unless you use Master Card.
http://www.oct.at/wos/916/916Liste.htm
The blue one is currently for sale......
Posted by: Gustl Sep 6 2010, 10:12 PM
QUOTE(nsr-jamie @ Sep 7 2010, 04:44 AM)
The blue one is currently for sale......
sorry ... no
it was for sale last year but then found a new home
Gustl Posted by: turboman808 Sep 7 2010, 06:21 AM
QUOTE(9146986 @ Sep 6 2010, 02:28 PM)
The reason I didn't is because I didn't want a museum piece, I wanted a car to drive, and who in their right mind would drive a 916 on the street? I also knew that I could (and did) build a more developed 914 than the 916 was/is, and so can anyone that wants to.
I went to the vintage car festival this weekend. You would be amazed what people drive on the street. One guy drove up from the Hamptons in his jaguar xkss to drive his 60s era ferrari race car. Guess to some money is no object. Someday I hope I join that crowd.
At this point in life I am not that interested it original classics myself. Replicas seems to be alot more exciting. generally fast and less expensive.
Posted by: nsr-jamie Sep 7 2010, 08:28 AM
If I had a real 916 I would drive it. I don't think I would drive it to the mall or take it out for shopping but keep it stored away safe and bring it out for car show and shines and really nice dry weekends...
Posted by: Gustl Sep 7 2010, 11:07 AM
I already had a ride in a 916 
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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Sep 7 2010, 12:14 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Sep 7 2010, 10:07 AM)
I already had a ride in a 916
I have driven one too. Quite a difference from ANY OTHER 914!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw79E6byV8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw79E6byV8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgqkBsMjaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgqkBsMjaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9iz3UXSiL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9iz3UXSiL0
Posted by: SirAndy Sep 7 2010, 12:23 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Sep 7 2010, 11:14 AM)
I have driven one too. Quite a difference from ANY OTHER 914!
Embedded the videos for 'ya ...
Andy
Posted by: Drums66 Sep 7 2010, 12:29 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Sep 5 2010, 07:23 PM)
And the point of this thread is?????????
......That theory's & opinions are like ass...... everybody has 1, but........I'd never
use this man's
(who started this thread) ![yellowsleep[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/yellowsleep[1].gif)
Posted by: Root_Werks Sep 7 2010, 12:57 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Sep 7 2010, 11:14 AM)
I have driven one too. Quite a difference from ANY OTHER 914!
I still have that old article from when you purchased that 916. Very cool write up on the car and nice videos! Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: poorsche914 Sep 7 2010, 12:58 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Sep 7 2010, 02:14 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Sep 7 2010, 10:07 AM)
I already had a ride in a 916
I have driven one too. Quite a difference from ANY OTHER 914
And with enough 914s in attendance at MUSR this year (and if George doesn't change his mind), many more teeners will have a chance to at least "see" a 916 and... maybe???... get a ride???
Even though you can build a "better" 916 replica for much less $$$$$, the real 916 is a rare car and a piece of history. That blue one Gustl posted is absolutely beautiful!
Posted by: scotty b Sep 7 2010, 03:54 PM
I don't get what all the stink is about It's still just a glorified VW
Posted by: black73 Sep 7 2010, 05:03 PM
QUOTE(scotty b @ Sep 7 2010, 04:54 PM)
I don't get what all the stink is about
It's still just a glorified VWWhat, you don't like VW??
Posted by: RobW Sep 7 2010, 06:08 PM
I used to not understand the 916 looks either, but the bumpers mainly the rear, and the FG benefit to weight has changed me... adding power to a 914 is a kick in the pants too....
Posted by: Steve Sep 9 2010, 07:05 PM
I agree... I'm a bigger fan of the eight cylinder 914. Wonder what that's worth? If someone gave me a 916 I would sell it. I don't have the room for a museum piece and I would feel guilty trashing it like I do my 3.2 914. You can never have enough power. A 2.4 916 does not compare to my 3.2 toy. I am very happy with what I have, for a hell of allot less!! Thanks again Dr. 914 for the flairs!!
Posted by: Root_Werks Sep 10 2010, 09:11 AM
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I don't get what all the stink is about It's still just a glorified VW
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What, you don't like VW??
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My 914 has a P-hood crest, I can't stand it.
Any time someone asks what kind of car it is, I say it's a VW Type-4.
Never reference Porsche at all.
Posted by: naro914 Sep 10 2010, 10:41 AM
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 11:11 AM)
My 914 has a P-hood crest, I can't stand it.
Any time someone asks what kind of car it is, I say it's a VW Type-4.
Never reference Porsche at all.
and then teener owners bitch when other Porsche owners say it's 'Just a VW' and not a real Porsche. You can't have it both ways... (not saying you particularly, but more in general).
Our 914 was our first Porsche, and what we had when we joined PCA. We went to our first meeting in NNJR and have NEVER been ridiculed or put down as 'only a 914 owner'. The at-the-time region President, membership chair, and AX chairs all had 914's. It never occured to me that there was any bias against 914's until I got onto this forum. And ESPECIALLY when we tried to put together a 914 gathering at Charlotte Porsche Parade. Jeez....
To me, a 914 is just as much a Porsche as a 356 is.
Posted by: Cupomeat Sep 10 2010, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(naro914 @ Sep 10 2010, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 11:11 AM)
My 914 has a P-hood crest, I can't stand it.
Any time someone asks what kind of car it is, I say it's a VW Type-4.
Never reference Porsche at all.
and then teener owners bitch when other Porsche owners say it's 'Just a VW' and not a real Porsche. You can't have it both ways... (not saying you particularly, but more in general).
Our 914 was our first Porsche, and what we had when we joined PCA. We went to our first meeting in NNJR and have NEVER been ridiculed or put down as 'only a 914 owner'. The at-the-time region President, membership chair, and AX chairs all had 914's. It never occured to me that there was any bias against 914's until I got onto this forum. And ESPECIALLY when we tried to put together a 914 gathering at Charlotte Porsche Parade. Jeez....
To me, a 914 is just as much a Porsche as a 356 is.
Bob, I totally agree. Every PCA club (3) I have been part of treated me, as a 914 owner, as one of them and EVERYONE of the old guys have had 914s in the past. Go to any NNJR track event and there are a handful 35+ yr old 914s still on the track (almost more than 924, 944 or 928s combined). Heck, I get offers to buy the car when I go to club events by guys with GT3s, and every real Porsche club member there loves 914s. (Sure there are some new guys with brand new 997s (as their first Porsche) who don't know what it is, but they are just ignorant.)
The only stigma I ever saw was from the ignorant who thought it was a Fiat when I was a younger guy (the 80s).
I think that many people here define themselves by their "misfit" status and the easiest way to feel close to a group is to unite against a common enemy (either real or imagined). Don't get me wrong, many of my friends are misfits and I love them, but it helps to understand.
Posted by: Root_Werks Sep 10 2010, 02:00 PM
Like anybody wants to know, but my opinion:
914's Porsche = 1976's with no type47 sticker and all 914-6's.
914's VW = all the ones (like mine) that have type47 sticker on them.
Just kinda the way I've thought of them. I've read they 76's all went down the same assembly line the 911's did just like the 914-6's did.
All the rest of the 914's went down a VW assembly line.
Unless my info is wrong? 
Either way, it's all in fun that we have such a diverse model. Pretty cool.
I like to take the humble approach. "No, no, just a VW, nothing special" especially from the general public. Don't like them looking at or touching it. I've found they are less interested if it's a "VW" than a "Porsche"
Back to the 916's:
If you like them, just make your own! I did.
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Posted by: Van Sep 10 2010, 02:14 PM
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 12:00 PM)
Like anybody wants to know, but my opinion:
914's Porsche = 1976's with no type47 sticker and all 914-6's.
914's VW = all the ones (like mine) that have type47 sticker on them.
Just kinda the way I've thought of them. I've read they 76's all went down the same assembly line the 911's did just like the 914-6's did.
All the rest of the 914's went down a VW assembly line.
Unless my info is wrong?
Either way, it's all in fun that we have such a diverse model. Pretty cool.
I like to take the humble approach. "No, no, just a VW, nothing special" especially from the general public. Don't like them looking at or touching it. I've found they are less interested if it's a "VW" than a "Porsche"
Back to the 916's:
If you like them, just make your own! I did.
What kind of sunroof did you put in your Karmann?
Posted by: Cupomeat Sep 10 2010, 02:18 PM
Root, I agree with the celebration of a diverse model.
Heck, I love the 914, even with its flaws (no seriously, it has a few... ).
To me, the Karmann bodies and VW underpinnings just add to the diverse past and soul of the car. 
Hell, I was a VW guy before I was a 914 guy! (or is that redundant... 
)
Posted by: carr914 Sep 10 2010, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 04:00 PM)
Back to the 916's:
If you like them, just make your own! I did.
And then you sold it. They should call you and me - Dumb & Dumber
Posted by: RFoulds Sep 10 2010, 02:43 PM
I guess its a hot car to replicate right now. Two "916 clones" on EBay right now.
Posted by: Root_Werks Sep 10 2010, 03:08 PM
QUOTE(carr914 @ Sep 10 2010, 01:24 PM)
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 04:00 PM)
Back to the 916's:
If you like them, just make your own! I did.
And then you sold it. They should call you and me - Dumb & Dumber
As long as I get to be Dumber.
Posted by: Root_Werks Sep 10 2010, 03:11 PM
QUOTE(RFoulds @ Sep 10 2010, 01:43 PM)
I guess its a hot car to replicate right now. Two "916 clones" on EBay right now.
No thanks, not that they don't look like great 914's, but they don't have steel roofs. The first and foremost important part of the 916. Everything else is secondary.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Porsche-916-Replica-3-6-litre-twin-plug-engine-/190440082491?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c571d0c3b
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-porsche-916-conversion-2-2-liter-911T-6-cylinder-/120618914640?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c15729350
Posted by: carr914 Sep 10 2010, 06:16 PM
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Sep 10 2010, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE(RFoulds @ Sep 10 2010, 01:43 PM)
I guess its a hot car to replicate right now. Two "916 clones" on EBay right now.
No thanks, not that they don't look like great 914's, but they don't have steel roofs. The first and foremost important part of the 916. Everything else is secondary.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Porsche-916-Replica-3-6-litre-twin-plug-engine-/190440082491?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c571d0c3b
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-porsche-916-conversion-2-2-liter-911T-6-cylinder-/120618914640?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c15729350
First & Foremost a 916 must have a Steel-Roof
Dumb
Posted by: type47fan Sep 10 2010, 10:00 PM
"Any time someone asks what kind of car it is, I say it's a VW Type-4."
VW type 47 . . . .
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