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Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 17 2010, 08:25 PM

Here is a segment of video of the 916 chasing Chris Foley's 914 somewhere between Fontana and Deals Gap. A second video is at post #30
The wind noise was awful so I filtered it quite a bit and reduced the volume. If you listen closely, you can hear the engine at certain points.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOzcRp4lUsE


And here is a picture I took of several 914s and the 916 going round a curve at low speed.

Posted by: jetboy Oct 17 2010, 09:48 PM

Glad no oncomming traffic. I would think at that speed the 916 would handle well enough to stay in its lane.

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 17 2010, 09:49 PM

Fastest time between two points is a straight line.

Posted by: jetboy Oct 17 2010, 11:14 PM

Yet the lead 914 had no problem going the same speed and staying in its lane .

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 17 2010, 11:29 PM

More Please!

Posted by: jeeperjohn56 Oct 17 2010, 11:40 PM

Hey Chris, Give details on your car. motor? and all the rest that kept your car ahead of the 916. What size motor is in the 916? John

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 17 2010, 11:42 PM

As a matter of fact, the 916 was shod with well aged vintage tires and was not up to the level of cornering of the lead car which had g Force radials.

The speed was subsantial, even though it may not be fully apparent from the video.

Posted by: Tom_T Oct 17 2010, 11:53 PM

Not necessarily a handling problem jetboy -
That's called using the whole road to pick your line apex-to-apex - although not generally advisable on an active two-way roadway, as shown by the oncoming traffic at the end of the clip!

Who's 916 was that? ... Dr. George's?

... remind him that this is 914 world - not 916 world, which is a much smaller club!

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2010, 12:02 AM

The car has a warmed over 1.7L with Delortos. The engine pulls strong to at least 6200 rpm. I haven't found red line yet.
The front suspension has stock torsion bars and a stock anti-sway bar.
The rear has 100 lb springs and a stock anti-sway bar.
The tires are 205-60 Touring BFGs on Fuchs 4 bolt wheels.
The 916 has an awesome sounding mechanically injected six (2.4S?, 2.7Carrera?).

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2010, 12:11 AM

Yes, George was driving his 916 (which has a unique 914 vin by the way) and rather spiritedly to boot.
poorsche914 was riding shotgun with George.

Posted by: bcheney Oct 18 2010, 05:18 AM

Very cool stuff! Who's owns the red flared car in the picture?

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2010, 05:24 AM

That's Clay Perrine.

Posted by: rwjames Oct 18 2010, 05:38 AM

The red car with flairs is Clay's car (Forum name: ClayPerrine).

Clay and his wife Betty, along with several others, worked non-stop to make this an awesome event.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 18 2010, 06:43 AM

Mayhaps I am a killjoy....
Crossing the double yellows on an active 2 lane road to cut across rather blind corners is inexcusable. If the car could not hold pace due to old tires, the driver should have slowed down to a pace that could be maintained.

Zach

Posted by: 1968Cayman Oct 18 2010, 08:12 AM

You have to keep in mind that from the far LH side of the car those curves your perceive to be blind probably are not so.

Posted by: mojorisen914 Oct 18 2010, 08:32 AM

Drive it like you stole it...Babeeyyy!!!

Posted by: scotty b Oct 18 2010, 08:39 AM

Aprilhaps you are ....

please do not watch any of the video we may post as there was habitual line crossing throughout

Posted by: jaxdream Oct 18 2010, 09:22 AM

I can understand the line crossing , heck I would do it , especially at speeeed !
Some of the particapants regularly drive in racing conditions , this too helps .

Jack / Jaxdream

Posted by: John Jentz Oct 18 2010, 09:24 AM

Steve, post more video!!!!!!

Saturday was one of the greatest days of my life. Luck of the draw put me directly behind George (in an Audi A4Q) on the drive to Fontana Village and the Dragon after lunch. All of my prior experience with the 916 was looking through the glass into the "Museum" at Auto Atlanta and here was history unfolding right in front of me. I was honored to be able to see first hand a 916 being used as it was meant to be used. I must admit that during the drive there was a nagging thought in the back of my mind of the eternal "Infamy" that would follow my name if one of those 40 year old XWX's blew out and I collected the 916. Thanks again, George, for making the MUSR 11 really special and thanks again for lunch!

By the way, Zach, there was enough visibility forward to see on comming traffic when George made the road wider.

Posted by: Philip W. Oct 18 2010, 09:44 AM

Thanks for the video and pics.!! Wish we could have been there, as was my original intention, so I am making plans for next year. Would have been great to have seen the 916 etc. So I will have to come up to Atlanta (from S.C.) sometime soon and see it in slow-motion instead!

Phil

Posted by: bugsy0 Oct 18 2010, 11:02 AM

I tend to agree - driving style on the street should never be like on the track. Besides, its fun to stay in the lane - makes the curves sharper. I say, straighten the curves on the track, emphasize them on the street.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2010, 11:38 AM

As the lead driver I felt 100% obligated to stay to the right of the yelow lines (except in a couple left hairpins that I could see all the way through well before I got there).
I often approached corners that I couldn't see around and someone was coming the other way.
The Dr. had the benefit of seeing me ahead of him so he knew when there were no vehicular obstructions.
There was never any danger of running into another car.

Posted by: Cupomeat Oct 18 2010, 11:52 AM

Yeah, I thought the driving was perfectly acceptable from the video. On the right corners that were blind, he slowed down and stayed in lane and then only went into the left lane when he could see well ahead. The driving was mostly very smooth and his line was pretty good with no early apexing.

Posted by: d914 Oct 18 2010, 12:08 PM

I second and or third the crossing of the lines... The camera may not have the angle but at some point we all did,, however with the capability to look across several corners to see what was coming... Some of us even cut the inside corners and sent gravel flying.. Laws were broken, fun was had and we all came home safe!!

The Doc needs some cudos here for truly DRIVING the the 916.. It was not a trailer queen and it was not on parade.. I ate enough of his smoke to be a good witness...

Posted by: RFoulds Oct 18 2010, 12:29 PM

Racer Chris said, "As the lead driver I felt 100% obligated to stay to the right of the yellow lines "

Bravo Chris. I wish more lead drivers felt that way.

Posted by: bugsy0 Oct 18 2010, 12:56 PM

Thanks for posting that video - everybody's an armchair quarterback - you guys were obviously having some fun!

Posted by: veltror Oct 18 2010, 01:16 PM

I am not sure how you guys put up with the draconian traffic laws and stupidly low speed limits, when I lived int he US it was a mission to double the posted limit whenever I could.. 4 way stop whoever thought of that stupid, worhtless, retarded idea... brill viseo use all of your lane and whatever else you need. Nothing else coming no problem....

Posted by: KELTY360 Oct 18 2010, 01:26 PM

George must have had big fun driving the 916 as it was intended - well kinda at least. Crossing the doubles seemed to be done safely. C'mon, we've all done it haven't we? Maybe this will inspire George to exercise that beauty a little more, possibly put some updated rubber on for those occasions.

Posted by: Brett W Oct 18 2010, 02:02 PM

Its not that big a deal. There were plenty of turns were you could see all the way through them. I crossed some doubles in the turns a couple of times. If the car had more than 3hp I would have passed a couple of bikes in those turns also. They were holding me up.

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 18 2010, 02:06 PM

Here is a ~5 min segment about half way down the TN side of the Dragon. You may recognize the large pull off area at the end of the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vYG1AkTiU

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2010, 04:20 PM

Too slow.

Can I pay you to send me a flash drive with the entire video?
I want to see the parts where I was "misbehaving", especially when George was egging me on.

Posted by: abayer1969 Oct 18 2010, 04:24 PM

And Chris define warmed over 1.7. Thats seriously vague But it looked good

Posted by: r_towle Oct 18 2010, 04:32 PM

George was being out driven....he was cutting corners just to keep up

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 18 2010, 04:37 PM

PM me your mailing address and I will burn to DVDs and send your way. There are two source videos each just under 4GB each.
First is from Fontana to part way down the Dragon just past the THREE troopers
Second picks up from where the first stops. Both are about 35 minutes long.

Unfortunately, I did not have the camera set up during the trip TO Fontana. That was a good run!!!

Posted by: hot_shoe914 Oct 18 2010, 04:49 PM

I personally would like to commend George for "flogging" the 916 and running her the way she deserves to be run. I know he was holding back some due to out dated rubber, but pretty sure he would have hammered the bitch every chance he could if the tires had been better. This was the best thing that has happened to the 916, and George too for that matter, in a very long time. I can easily see him doing more driving and attending many more events, whether in the 916 or not. This one's for you George!

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 18 2010, 04:53 PM

It was an experience I will NEVER forget. Thanks again, George.

Posted by: bandjoey Oct 18 2010, 04:55 PM

You should have been there to see it. It was a slow and safe drive, per PCA rules. Besides, George and the car were always in control and whipping up the road everywhere. Also, look at the 1000+ photos on the photo's for sale thread. When most cars are dipping and leaning, the 916 is totally flat on the curves. Great car to do twisties in.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 19 2010, 08:24 AM

Long duration cam (similar to Web 86a), dual valve springs, compression increase, lightened flywheel, 40 Dells, 1 1/2" header, horizontal fan cooling.
Stock valves, unported heads, stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons.
Pulls strong to at least 6200 rpm - haven't found redline yet!
The engine was sold to me as a "race engine" a few years ago, along with the Delortos.
There were some things I didn't like about the assembly so I pulled the heads to get a closer look. Its a good thing I did because it was assembled with stock head gaskets.
At that point I decided to put it back together rather than spend time and $$ to rebuild it to my liking. Apart from some leaky pushrod tube seals which I didn't replace while it was apart it's been just fine, and I could use it in a pinch as a backup race engine.
I think the peak output is around 100bhp but I could have easily added another 20hp with some port work, lighter valves, and forged pistons - at the cost of some low end driveability.

Posted by: abayer1969 Oct 19 2010, 03:22 PM

thanks Chris now I need to rethink everything.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 19 2010, 04:16 PM

LOL.
Don't be fooled by how easily I seemed to pull away from the 916. There's still no substitute for horsepower.
I was driving very hard in that first clip. We had just gotten around a car that was holding us back big time and I let loose until we encountered more traffic.
That's the kind of carrot George wanted and I was more than happy to oblige.

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 19 2010, 06:28 PM

Here is an interesting comparison between Racer Chris's car and the 916.
This is the same curve with both cars traveling the same speed. Pictures were taken within moments of each other as we passed by the photographer.

Posted by: bandjoey Oct 19 2010, 06:31 PM

In all the pics the 916 is flat in any turn. Looks like a Sunday drive at sppeeed.

Posted by: abayer1969 Oct 19 2010, 06:42 PM

Posted by: Brett W Oct 20 2010, 08:24 AM

Not a fair comparison. the 916 is coming out of the corner and Chris's car is entering or mid corner. The 916 has almost settled back down where the white car has just started to flatten back out.

Posted by: hot_shoe914 Oct 20 2010, 08:32 AM

Better weight distribution in the 916 as well with 2 people of similar weight as opposed to one person in Chris's car.

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 20 2010, 02:51 PM

Look at the series of photos on the web site. Throughout the curve, the 916 is flat.
Hot_shoe may have a point with more even weight distribution with two passengers vs one. But would it make that much of a difference? I believe Chris said his 914 has stock sways front and rear. Not sure about springs or what exactly the 916 has.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 20 2010, 03:11 PM

I don't know what George did but at most of those photo locations I would slow down, drive straight into the camera, then turn and accelerate.
I think between my driving style, the fairly soft suspension, and the lack of a passenger, my car definitely leaned more in righthand turns.
Look closely at me in the first turn in the first video. The right side of the car is jacked way up. I was pretty much using everything the car had in that turn.

Posted by: r_towle Oct 20 2010, 03:35 PM

your just being polite.
George has gotten lazy with his ford gt...he can power out of anything with that..

He just plain forgot how to drive a 914 to its limit....or he is getting to old to do it right...

Rich

Posted by: abayer1969 Oct 20 2010, 03:46 PM

Chris's eyes say I am having an awesome time look at me

George's eyes say when will this ride end?????

Posted by: gothspeed Oct 20 2010, 03:54 PM

Great thread !!!

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 20 2010, 04:03 PM

It wasn't too exciting once we got stuck behind traffic.

Earlier in the run, there were actually a couple times when the back end of the 916 cut loose. Watch the first video closely and you will see one of those times. With proper tires mounted...

I have never ridden with someone who actually had the experience driving one of these cars at its limit - until this ride. I can't say if George was driving at 9/10ths or 3/10ths but, for me, it was an absolute blast

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 21 2010, 10:58 AM

This was Friday, headed east.
Courtesy of JT.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P13_TVj4q0A

Posted by: poorsche914 Oct 21 2010, 11:05 AM

Cool. Much tamer driving
Whose 914 was the camera in? Inside the car is definitely the place to put the camera - no wind noise, picks up the engine sounds, and voices are muted. Wish I'd done it that way for the 916 videos.

Posted by: 7275914911 Oct 21 2010, 11:21 AM

Here is part of the run on Sat across the north side of Santeetlah..part of the planned route really??? It's embedded now..also posted it in another post..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrkNLWo5CGQ



Will edit more to post from on Skyway. I want to see Fri PM video with Chris leading Scotty and me down the dragon. The 44 had cameras mounted front and rear.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 21 2010, 11:29 AM

JT has a big six with Supertrapps and a rear spoiler. The exterior is dark blue.
He had his own camera setup, not Gopro.

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 21 2010, 11:30 AM

Ken, I watched your videos from before the event in the 911. You had some good open road to play with then.

Posted by: 7275914911 Oct 21 2010, 12:55 PM

Hey Chris,

We did have some really open spots back in Sept. on both the Dragon and Cherahala.

I was in my 914 tho not a 911 ...Shoe was driving a Boxster and we had another friend along in his M3. Steven used a us129 photo from then to do up the generic poster car..

I'm guessing ScottyB and Shoe both have good GoPro video to post from MUSR??

Ken

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 21 2010, 01:03 PM

I wasn't sure. I didn't look at your dash at the event, so I didn't equate the 5 gauges with a 914. The wide angle lens of the camera makes the windshield look curved more like a 911 too.
I did notice the Boxster both in front of and behind you.

Posted by: jt914-6 Oct 21 2010, 01:16 PM

I don't know why the video started breaking up like it did. Viewing straight from the memory device on the computer it doesn't do that. It must be my crappy video card in the lap top....need to get a better computer......I was going to post the youtube video but it was not as good of quailty as I demand......Thanks for putting it up though Chris.....

Posted by: GTown74 Oct 21 2010, 07:20 PM

Seeing the 916 in action is crazy cool! There are very few people who would be brave enough to take such a rare car out on the road so here is to George. I just wish that I could have seen it in person. Thanks for posting the videos.