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Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 11:46 AM
Well, I got my LE to start up once again. Ended up being fouled plugs. Replaced with new ones and it fired right up and ran great. Revved up no problems. 
Lot of white smoke coming out of the exhaust. I thought it might be unburnt fuel until I saw this:
Posted by: dflesburg Nov 1 2010, 11:50 AM
Wonder what was fouling the plugs... LOL
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 11:52 AM
DOH! 
Posted by: Sleepin Nov 1 2010, 12:16 PM
I would say that you have a 99-00 Civic that needs some wiping down! 
Posted by: ClayPerrine Nov 1 2010, 12:24 PM
Dood.....
Yer 914 blew a nasty, oily fart all over yer Honder....
Yuk...
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 12:25 PM
LOL... yep, cleaned that up right away.
So... any ideas what is wrong with my engine?
Guess I will be pulling the motor at some point.
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 12:35 PM
oil level to high, over pressured crankcase [no vent or pcv valve], worn valve guides, stuck or worn/broken piston rings, or maybe all the oil that might have been shot into the cylinders is just burning out after after having been stored for a while.
Posted by: underthetire Nov 1 2010, 01:00 PM
Ha, the 914 just shit on the ricer ! Nice!
Posted by: 76-914 Nov 1 2010, 01:11 PM
Ha, the 914 just shit on the ricer ! Nice!
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 02:23 PM
Ha, the 914 just shit on the ricer ! Nice!
You guys are too funny
Here is a picture of the plugs. What should I do next? Compression check? (did one a few weeks ago cold and 1, 2, 3 were around 120 and #4 was under 100). Or do I need to pull the motor
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 02:40 PM
#4 doesn't look to good. that hole is most likely your problem.
Posted by: RobW Nov 1 2010, 03:05 PM
Bummer on the engine 
Classic picture though... I would frame it! 
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 03:29 PM
did you crank this over and over trying to start it?
this could be that you washed down the cylinders with gas from the injectors when it wouldn't start. that would mix with the oil on the cylinders and get past the ring real easy.
drain the oil and see if it smells like gas. if it does change filetr and refill with oil and try it again. the smoke might clear up.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 03:37 PM
Yes, I did crank and crank and crank....
Also double checked the vac lines. Didn't have the canister hooked in and just joined the two hoses. May have caused pressure from that set up 
Have added the canister and, following a vac line diagram I found on the web, made sure all lines were in the correct spot.
Cleaned off plugs and reinstalled.
Will drain oil and add new. After that... start it and let whatever oil is still in cylinders burn off?
Thanks for the input, messix.
so close to 
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 03:38 PM
Bummer on the engine
Classic picture though... I would frame it!
LOL... yeah, the pic is pretty classic.
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 03:44 PM
Yes, I did crank and crank and crank....
Also double checked the vac lines. Didn't have the canister hooked in and just joined the two hoses. May have caused pressure from that set up
Have added the canister and, following a vac line diagram I found on the web, made sure all lines were in the correct spot.
Cleaned off plugs and reinstalled.
Will drain oil and add new. After that... start it and let whatever oil is still in cylinders burn off?
Thanks for the input, messix.
so close to
don't drive it or run it any more untill you check for gas in the oil, if you do you will end up replacing all bearings in the motor. gas polluted oil will kill bearings quickly.
Posted by: kg6dxn Nov 1 2010, 03:57 PM
You need to drain the oil from the exhaust 
Seriously
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 04:09 PM
You need to drain the oil from the exhaust
Seriouslynaw! thats rust inhibiter
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 04:10 PM
I have drained the oil. It was the consistency of gasoline! Thanks for that advice. Will put fresh oil and filter on tomorrow.
SeriouslyI can't just burn it out?
Good advice. Thanks.
Closer and closer to
Posted by: messix Nov 1 2010, 04:14 PM
I have drained the oil. It was the consistency of gasoline! Thanks for that advice. Will put fresh oil and filter on tomorrow.
SeriouslyI can't just burn it out?
Good advice. Thanks.
Closer and closer to
you don't have to drain the exhaust
it will evaporate and burn out on it's own.
Posted by: rick 918-S Nov 1 2010, 04:51 PM
Cool NARP photo! Just like Herbie!
Posted by: windforfun Nov 1 2010, 04:54 PM
Nice fart.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 04:56 PM
Nice fart.
Technically, I suppose it was a "shart"
Posted by: r_towle Nov 1 2010, 05:56 PM
First, you cant trust a cold compression test. It will give you false readings that are meaningless.
Second..start it up after you change the oil and filter.
Run it for a long time to heat up the motor and the exhaust...get all the oil burned out of the muffler...
Do a compression test right after you shut it off.
Take out all the plugs, open up the throttle body and fix it there.
Use a threaded hose type compression tester.
Remove the relay for the fuel pump so you dont fill up the cylinders with fuel again.
Turn over the motor for the same number of seconds per cylinder.
Post those readings...a warm compression test.
Rich
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 06:00 PM
Thanks, Rich.
Been planning to get a warm compression test once I got the thing running.
Hope to have some numbers to post tomorrow.
Posted by: r_towle Nov 1 2010, 07:06 PM
if its close...re-torque the heads and test it again.
most of these motors need the heads re-torqued.
Rich
Posted by: Black22 Nov 1 2010, 07:48 PM
My car did everything you described...white smoke...oil/gas puking out of the tail pipe. If there is gas in your oil in the case, check the fuel injectors. Turns out one of mine was stuck in the open position and caused it.
Posted by: hot_shoe914 Nov 1 2010, 07:59 PM
I say you sell that POS to some dumbass in west Tennessee with a black one so he will have a matching pair for say oh,300.00 to 500.00 since it doest run and will have to be towed to the other end of the state! 
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 08:46 PM
My car did everything you described...white smoke...oil/gas puking out of the tail pipe. If there is gas in your oil in the case, check the fuel injectors. Turns out one of mine was stuck in the open position and caused it.
Hmmm... I did check to be sure the injectors were firing properly and they are. Not stuck open at least. Good spray pattern. Pretty sure it is from cranking it so much without firing
Thanks for the input.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 1 2010, 08:51 PM
I say you sell that POS to some dumbass in west Tennessee with a black one so he will have a matching pair for say oh,300.00 to 500.00 since it doest run and will have to be towed to the other end of the state!
That would be cool to have a Bumble Bee and a Creamsicle.
Posted by: Root_Werks Nov 2 2010, 10:53 AM
Kinda read through all the posts, even the Sharting one.
If it were me, I'd do a proper warm up on the engine, drive it if you can. Those compression numbers aren't that bad at all and #4 that fell a little under 100psig might come up within spec after driving it.
As others have said, change the oil, make sure it's as good as can be.
If it's been sitting, it's worse off then if it had been driven.
Posted by: underthetire Nov 2 2010, 10:56 AM
If it's been sitting, I would run some mystery oil through it, might help loosen up the rings and such. Made a huge difference in mine when I first got it. That was 15K miles ago.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 2 2010, 11:00 AM
If it's been sitting, I would run some mystery oil through it, might help loosen up the rings and such. Made a huge difference in mine when I first got it. That was 15K miles ago.
Do I add the Mystery Oil to the gas or oil? I actually have some that I bought for something else and never used.
Posted by: underthetire Nov 2 2010, 11:05 AM
Oil,er, both. I ran it in the oil, cleans carbon out quick like. I ran it for about 200 miles then changed the oil and filter out. Always start with cheap oil on a motor thats been sitting, cause your gonna want to change it right away again. As far as putting it in the fuel, it does help injectors and clean the valves, but I guess so would injector cleaner.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 2 2010, 11:11 AM
Thanks, Jeff. Heading outside shortly to work on it.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 2 2010, 12:20 PM
Update: oil and filter changed. Mystery oil added. Started right up. Smoking like crazy (how long should I expect it to take to burn all that oil out?) 
Plugs 1,2,3 were dry oily. 4 was clean
Here are compression numbers with motor warm:
1 = 130
2 = 135
3 = 128
4 = 105
Thanks!
Posted by: messix Nov 2 2010, 12:26 PM
how long did it run with the gassy oil in it?
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 2 2010, 12:33 PM
Ran for about a minute. Maybe less.
Posted by: underthetire Nov 2 2010, 12:41 PM
Get it warm. Mystery oil works better after a warm up. It may also cause some smoke, since it's super thin. I'd say 15 minutes and you should start to see it clear up.
Posted by: messix Nov 2 2010, 01:08 PM
get out and put it under a load. give it a couple of good hard pulls through the gears.
Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 2 2010, 02:02 PM
Thanks Jeff and Troy.
Will get it tagged tomorrow and then it till the smoke clears up.
Posted by: Dr Evil Nov 2 2010, 04:52 PM
Gesundheit!
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