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Posted by: hwgunner Nov 19 2010, 08:58 PM

So I am not sure where to start but I need to get this on papaer just so i have a record of it. I bought a 73 911T non sunroof car from 914 LTD. Brad was great and sent a bunch of pictures of the ratty old beast and i was hooked from the very first moment. I definitely could see the beauty within. Well, I looked all over for a transport company and called a couple guys that I had used in the past and got refered to Kity and her boyfriend. Very nice people and we struck up a deal. They were quick and the car got picked up today from the Body shop down the road from Brads shop. I called the body shop to make sure things were good and they said the car was pretty rough but was on the truck and down the road. Shortly after that i get a call from Kity confirming that the car was going to be here on Tuesday and that everything was going smooth. Now comes the good part. I am sitting here at about 5:10pm Cali time and I get another call from Kity. "Jonathan, this is Kity and i have some bad news". I imediately start laughing. I just knew it couldn't last. You see, I have had some pretty good luck for the last week, Mark got free lunches all week and can vouch, and knew it had to end somewhere. Kity says "We stopped at a truck stop just outside of Chicago and when we were walking back to the truck, several men approached us. The first one pulled out his badge and said he was with the FBI. He said he wanted to search the vehicles we were hauling and our truck." By this time I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off from the fear that my dream car was no more. Kity went on to say that before they even got all the way to the truck she realized that there were about 6 vehicles surrounding the truck and about 15 undercover guys standing around. Next thing she knows there is a narco dog running around the car. What does the dog do? He sits down at the tail end of my 911 and pats his paw. DRUGS!!!!!!!!! At this point the FBI guys start swarming the car. They are inside, outside and under the car trying to figure out how to get the (rear) trunk open. Couldn't do it!!!!!!!!. So they keep sending the dog around the car and he keeps sitting down at the back of the car and pawing the ground. Kity says the dog did this about 10 times while the car was on the trailer. Finally the FBI tells Kity and her man that they have to follow them to an autobody shop so they can get the car off the trailer and search it better. Now, Kity sounds to me like she might be Puerto Rican (I had a PR girlfriend once) and from our initial negotiations i knew she was not going to take any crap from anyone. so at this point she takes out her cellphone and starts trying to take a few pictures. Phone confiscated!!! Kity then asks if she is going to get a receipt and or a case number and the guy tells her that she will. So Kity and her Boy friend head over the the bodyshop. At the body shop they are led into the waiting room as the 911 is being taken off the trailer. At some point Kity notices that they are getting a fork lift out to move the car around and lift up the back of the car. She tells me she sorta got mouthy and told one of the guys that she better get a receipt for all the damage they are doing and the guy says to her "Don't get cocky and go sit down". Now, mind you, this is all taking place over about a 4 hour time period. So the guys finally get the (rear) trunk open and find the motor. OK, so the dog goes around the cars a few more times and keeps allerting to the rear end of my car. By this time Kity decides that it is time to shut up, sorta, because it is pretty obvious that they are pissed off that is it is taking so long to find the DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do they do next?? Take out the motor and trans!!!! Inspect the motor and trans!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! OK it appears that the last place they decided to look was INSIDE the tires, SLASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing. So now kitty notices that the number of guys standing around is getting fewer and fewer so she goes back out and asks if they found anything to which the guy said no. At this point, tires slashed, motor and trans out of the car she goes over to one of the shop guys and says somthing about putting everything back together and back on the truck. The shop guy looks at the head FBI guy and says "If I were an ASS i would make you do it yourself". He then started with his couple other guys to put things back together. so now my car is back on the truck and Kity goes up to the very pissed off FBI guy and demands a case report. He gives here a piece of paper with his name and a phone number and says that is all she is getting. Kity, not backing down again, says what about the damage you have done to my customers car and the tires and everything else to which, according to Kity, the FBI guy responded "tell your customer his car was a piece of shit to start with"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At this point Kity looks at the guy and just says "Sir, I hope you had a wonderful day" turns and walks away.

well is this true you might ask?? Kity gave me the number that the FBI guy gave her and sure enough it was the Chicago FBI headquarters. I can tell you from personal experience, I called, that the after hours phone system they have is a bit hard to navigate. kity is going to give me the numbers for the body shop and the tow company that were on hand tomorrow and I will be calling them on Monday.

Is everything Kity said true? I don't know. I tried to be as accurate as i could and I know that i paraphrased a bit but that is the story as i know it.

Last but not least....... The dog was wrong!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 19 2010, 09:07 PM

(check the muffler... Brad always hides his stash in the muffler)

Posted by: Jon Fernandes Nov 19 2010, 09:13 PM

What lead them to your car in the first place?

Posted by: RobW Nov 19 2010, 09:30 PM

30 years ago there was an FBI office in Santa Maria. PM me and I can tell you where it is..

Posted by: Rotary'14 Nov 19 2010, 09:48 PM

wow!,, I hope they fix your car for free. Even though uncle Sam doesn't seem to have enough $$,, No one should be screwed over like that.

Posted by: ELLIOTT Nov 19 2010, 10:12 PM

wow , good luck

Posted by: patssle Nov 19 2010, 10:31 PM

What a joke.

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 19 2010, 10:45 PM

I wonder if the car had ever been a seized and auctioned car? Dog could have alerted on a very old scent...

My dog Chloe is a retired Search and Rescue dog and even at the ripe old 'can hardly get up from a lying position' age of 15, she can still find anything I task her with. Pretty much the only word she gets excited about these days is "find."

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Nov 19 2010, 11:03 PM

Wow I hope your car gets fixed without much hassle.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Nov 20 2010, 02:08 AM

Wow great story anyway.
Remember the Tijuana warehouse scene in "Up in Smoke"?
Perhaps there was some creative body work done


Good Luck Johnathan.

Posted by: PThompson509 Nov 20 2010, 02:17 AM

Wow. Just wow. If you haven't called your lawyer, yesterday was a good time to do so. You need to get reimbursed for ALL damage done by the FBI, and for lost time and materials. Plus a public apology.

This sort of behavior for a public employee is not acceptable.

Posted by: carr914 Nov 20 2010, 05:19 AM

Well, sounds like us Taxpayers will be paying for Complete Restoration on a 911T - at least this bailout is worth it

Good Luck Jonathan

Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 20 2010, 05:21 AM

I kinda thought that "kind of behavior" went with the territory
FBI=ASSHOLE

Good luck!

Posted by: Cheapsnake Nov 20 2010, 07:15 AM

Give some A$$hole a badge and they think they're God. Go get em!!!

Tom

Posted by: rick 918-S Nov 20 2010, 07:39 AM

The dog could have picked up on the scent but no drugs present. If the car was sitting in the back corner of a bodyshop it could be where the employees gathered to smoke pot. I had a 54 VW beetle in the back corner of my shop for awhile. I was in my office and smelled pot coming from the shop one day. I went to explore where the smell was coming from. I found 3 of my employees sitting the beetle with the smoke rolling out one of the windows. They got the day off. I didn't need a fuch'd up employee slicing open a hand or putting out an eye while working stoned in my shop. I'm sure they did it all the time but once I witnessed it I could not condone the behavior. Anywho... The dog could have been right.

Posted by: 914Sixer Nov 20 2010, 07:41 AM

The sad part of this story is what the FBI did is completely LEGAL. Things must have been really SLOW for them to go at the car the way they did. I agree that they should have to pay 100 % for the repairs but I do not see that happening!!

Posted by: 76-914 Nov 20 2010, 08:27 AM

He has a better chance of seeing God. I've had my car partially disassembled by Border Patrol agents, then told that I was free to go. Then the FCS's wouldn't loan me any tools to put it back together! In 1971, the cops raided my house looking for pot. We had been tipped off that they were coming 2 days before so naturally the house was clean. It did not matter as I found out. The cops were prepared. They brought their own weed. There are only 2 things they can get you for. Whether you did or did not do it. Did I ever tell you about the time I got thrown in jail for questioning a cops lineage? Good luck! PS, never, never, never let the cops take you via the stairs lest the elevator. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: zymurgist Nov 20 2010, 08:50 AM

Time to lawyer up.

Posted by: SLITS Nov 20 2010, 09:00 AM

And if they weren't one to begin with, they turn into one. I am so popular with my local PD for questioning their intelligence and heritage (in a nice manner).

I have often wondered how they pass the psychological exam.

They get really upset when you call them "Bonehead stupid". They also rough you up and then say it was your fault as you "tried to walk away".

It's a long story where the son of the owner (my nephew), a wanna be cop that was tossed out for being a psychological basket case, decided he knew everything. We had a letter, in house, for three days when he decided the powder on the envelope was anthrax and called the PD. They rolled 10 cruisers, the Fire Dept HazMat Team, the Bomb squad and a mobile laboratory.

When I tried to explain that all of us would have been dead if it were anthrax due to the 3 days, one cop got all excited an told me to shut up ... our 100 employees were laughing their guts out as I harrassed them over being "bonehead stupid". So the one cop roughed me a bit, handcuffed me and threw me in the back of a cruiser so I wouldn't encite a riot. About 2 hours later, his supervisor came over to free me and "talk to me". I, of course, reiterated that they were "bonehead stupid" to listen to a shithead that didn't know shit and couldn't find his ass with both hands in broad daylight.

The letter (one of many over a year's period) was sent by a girl in Tijuana who one of our employees jilted. She had sent panties, dirty mags and other assorted articles previously. The cops tried to convince me that this lady, who couldn't rub two nickels together, had paired up with terrorists who gave her the anthrax to send. I told them there hadn't been a anthrax incident for over 3 years and it was highly doubtful that this woman had terrorist or gang banger ties.

Oh well, being an asshole is sometimes rewarding. Like I told the supervisor, "It was kind of you to give me a place to sit down while everyone else stood in the parking lot for a couple of hours".

Hey Jonathan, if you find the shit send it to me ... I've got a pretty good idea of what to do with it.

Oh, the powder was facial powder and I have video of the "incident".

Posted by: draganc Nov 20 2010, 09:12 AM

No f-ing way, what a bunch of a-holes!!

Take'em to court and publish your story in the loca paper....

Posted by: realred914 Nov 20 2010, 10:29 AM

shot the damn dog, fucked up cops and all.

thats why they call them PIGS they left a mess. I hate fucking feds. gawd damn useless pricks.

Posted by: 914ltd Nov 20 2010, 10:49 AM

Dam, ADHD at it's worst, I've been looking for that bag for a week!

Posted by: underthetire Nov 20 2010, 11:00 AM

I've only met 2 FBI agents, and both were very pleasant. Neither were field agents though. You sure they were looking for drugs, not ? Seems pretty extreme for the FBI to be looking for drugs.

Hope you get a big check out of them, but even if you do the car will be done, and 2012 will be long over.

Posted by: realred914 Nov 20 2010, 11:28 AM

and if they found a bomb, would the out come be any different???? one trashed Porsche!

Now if the car had been used as an embassy bombing get away car, and they captured the driver as an illegal Somoli combatant, the driver would have been read his rights, and the car not touched until all due process and Constituional protections have been used. A search warrent approved by no less than 8 Supreme Court justices would be required before the search of the car could take place.

Additionally becuase dogs are considered unclean to the somoli driver/detainee, and we do not wish to insult the detainee, nor his cultural preferances, a special U.N. detachment of bomb sniffing politically correct Striped Lowlands Antelope would be airlifted in from Fiji to search the car.

Additionaly the Non-US citizen, illegal combatant, somoli driver would have been given a fat gift check for pelican parts for his trouble, and the car carefully washed, waxed, detailed, air replaced in the tires, and the car returned in better conditon than when siezed.

But since you only a tax paying US civilian, on US soil, they hose you over, sucker!!!!


PS see if you can personnally sue the Dog handler for this screw up, that damn mutt and his handler should never be allowed to work again as a search team member, ever!!! they need to fire the mutt and fire the pig involved in this travisty

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 11:39 AM

Here is the funny part, a picture of the car!
































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Posted by: KELTY360 Nov 20 2010, 11:47 AM

Hey realred, nice to see you finally found your spell checker.

Posted by: underthetire Nov 20 2010, 11:50 AM

Looks like one trashed Porsche already

No, the outcome would not change. And you are turning this to a political thread again! The main difference it would fall under the Homeland security rules. It would be the DEA that would be searching for drugs. The FBI wouldn't get involved unless there was a credible threat. What if they did find explosives? Then this thread would read, good job doggy, just saved a bunch of lives. From the pics, I doubt they did any additional damage that wasn't needing to be repaired.

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 11:54 AM

Finger to nose.... Finger to nose.... Remember i am telling the story as it was told to me by Kity.

Posted by: scotty b Nov 20 2010, 11:55 AM

I think the point is the FBI handled this like the proverbial jack booted thugs and then refused to re-do what they un-did. Much like most of our gubment for the last 100+ years Remember kids, your ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent....then your just another stupid citizen

And yes, I do realize what these guys deal with every day. I have a couple friends that are city and state troopers, I hear the stories. But it still doesn't excuse the way they treat everyone like a criminal right off the bat.

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 11:57 AM

except for slashing the tires!

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 12:02 PM

And who said they are not going to take care of the damage they did?? I have not even talked to them yet. that said, I do know I have the right phone number.

Posted by: underthetire Nov 20 2010, 12:04 PM

I agree that sucks, but would you have driven on them anyways? I'm not sticking up for what they did, but we also need to understand the reasons.

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 12:06 PM

No, no, I never would have driven on them and i would not expect new tires. Just tires that hold air. You know how hard it is to push a car around with flat tire. Truth be told I agree with you most out just about every other post.

Posted by: Drums66 Nov 20 2010, 12:14 PM

....Yes exactly I would like to hear there side!

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 20 2010, 12:29 PM

I do not need to hear the other side!!!!!!!! Fact is the dog alerted on my car!! Fact is these dogs and handlers are typically expertly trained and i see no reason to think otherwise of this dog and handler!! Fact is dogs can make mistakes!!! Fact is the dog might be too good at what it does and may have allerted because someone who had used drugs touch the back of the car hours earlier when it was pushed onto the truck!! Was the "FBI" guy rude and nasty, fact is, he probably was!! Is it his job to put the car back together, fact is NO, that is what the body shop gets paid to do. we will see how well they did when it gets here. will I get reimbursed for any damages, fact is I have no idea because i have not talked to them yet. Could they have done much damage in the first place, fact is no, not much. do I want new tires, no just ones that hold air because you all know how hard it is to push a car around with just one flat tire. So, lets not pass judgement just yet.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Nov 20 2010, 01:28 PM

Articulate as ever.

Posted by: realred914 Nov 20 2010, 02:32 PM

straight to the point that is a raw deal, i have heard of cops trashing places and not cleaning up there mess. now cars. not rights to the common man.
luck the dog did not home in on your ass. they would have stuck the TSA on you, dont touch my junk bro!!!!

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 20 2010, 02:37 PM

Brad! That's hysterical!

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 20 2010, 02:42 PM

Elyut, I get the best laughs by reading what Dave writes and trying to keep a straight face...

Dave are you actually old enough to know why they call them Pigs?

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 22 2010, 09:49 AM

So i talked to the owner of the shop where the car was taken apart and he told me the head guy said i woul dget reimbursed for any damages. Now all I need to do is wait for the car to show up.

Posted by: moparrob Nov 22 2010, 09:46 PM

I've got some news for you. That was NOT the FBI. It was obviously the TSA and your car just had a pre-travel cavity search.

"It's not a grope, it's a freedom pat."

If they did their job any better they would have to buy me dinner first....

Posted by: Lou W Nov 22 2010, 10:23 PM

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Ey nede speil chek

Posted by: carr914 Nov 23 2010, 08:34 AM

No Fuchin Way ! I find that very hard to believe

Posted by: forcefed Nov 23 2010, 11:34 AM

ummmm. FBI dogs are not trained for drugs. there are trained for suspect retention, and explosives.

Posted by: Ferg Nov 23 2010, 12:41 PM

Exactly what I was thinking

Posted by: jim_hoyland Nov 23 2010, 12:48 PM

Glad to hear everything is going to work out. Couple of years ago there was an article about contraban being moved around the US is cars that were being delivered on trailers.

Posted by: Spoke Nov 23 2010, 01:15 PM

My sister & brother in law had a car transport business. It was not unusual for the same customer to have their car/truck shipped from Northeast to Southwest every year as summer turns to winter.

One gentleman had his pickup transported several times. On the last occasion, they were met at the pre-arranged dropoff place in King of Prussia by the FBI. The guy had been transporting drugs from Arizona to PA via his truck. This time he got busted.

I imagine that the personal vehicle transporters are targets for DEA officials for this reason.

Posted by: 914-300Hemi Nov 23 2010, 10:07 PM

That is an outrages story. hope everything works out.

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 23 2010, 11:41 PM

Car should be here tomorrow if the weather doesn't get them. If it does it will be Thursday. We will see.

Posted by: dflesburg Nov 24 2010, 08:47 AM

Try this site... but you are getting nothing. Sorry.

http://www.gao.gov/search/?q=%26quot%3BDamage+claims%26quot%3B&facets=a%3A1%3A%7Bs%3A7%3A%22topic_s%22%3Bs%3A22%3A%22Decisions+and+Opinions%22%3B%7D&search_type=Solr

Posted by: RobW Nov 24 2010, 08:52 AM

Good luck!


FBI - Santa Maria
600 East Plaza Drive
Santa Maria, CA 93455
Phone: (805) 346-2728

Posted by: tomeric914 Nov 24 2010, 10:01 AM

So the dog did you a favor by finding a fuel leak (explosives) and the FBI did you a favor by having the engine and transmission removed so you could repair the fuel leak!

Posted by: hwgunner Nov 27 2010, 02:43 PM

Well I got the car today. Mark was there and can chime in if he likes. It is rough like I thought but has some damage that I am real concerned about. First, both rear fenders, just ahead of the tires was bent inward because they used straps to lift the car. Neither side was bent before the car was torn apart. Another problem is they bent the crossmember where the rear lid latches. This is bent to the point that the lid will not close. It did close before it was torn apart. The whole interior is trashed and they did cut the front seats with a knife. I am not sure if these would have been recoverable before but they sure are not now. The stuffing is trewn all over. The door cards were also destroyed. They did need to be recoverd but they were in one piece and are now broken. Same for the cards that go below the rear side windows. Could have been recovered but not now. One of the really bad parts was that they stuck screw drivers or something sharp throught some small holes in the longs and destroyed the heater system. This will be a major problem if the car is to ever have heat again. Many Many other problems, dent in front fender, on roof, tail light housings broken and so forth but I just do not feel like getting into it now. I am making a list and will see what the agent says on Monday. The trucker said he saw the bill for the shop that took everything apart and it was $5000. Not sure what will happen but will let you all know as I hear things.


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Posted by: hwgunner Nov 27 2010, 02:44 PM

At least the car knows it is home!


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Posted by: bandjoey Nov 27 2010, 10:17 PM

Let then know you're calling the Bill Orilley or Glenn Beck show if they don't get this right. Government gone wild. Do it if they don't.

Posted by: Lou W Nov 27 2010, 10:19 PM

Wow, this is amazing......

Posted by: geniusanthony Nov 28 2010, 02:23 AM

The damage that they did was amazing, in a bad way of course. I wonder who the genius is who decided that 30+ year old seats and door cards looked as though they had been tampered with, had they been new or redone it would seem most out of place. Really too bad to hear about this for you. If this was done at a body shop, they should have known better.

Posted by: John Nov 28 2010, 08:11 AM

Wow that sucks. Did you get a box of fasteners like those nuts from the engine mount? Did you get the covers for the chain housings and the fasteners from those? What else did they take apart and not put back together?

Too bad they f'ed up the tub.

I believe you should get your money back (what you paid for the car and transportation costs). It sounds (from your description) that the car is now completely trash. Sorry to hear that.


My opinion to you is to try to get receipts (some paper documentation) and turn it in as a loss. I have a hard time believing you will ever see a dime. I just hope that I'm wrong.


On a lighter note, did they look in the "smugglers box"?

Posted by: Drums66 Nov 29 2010, 05:40 PM

.....Always marks it's(Porsche) turf

Posted by: underthetire Nov 29 2010, 06:19 PM

Sorry, guess I was wrong in my earlier post.

Posted by: 914 shifter Nov 30 2010, 06:06 PM

you sure it wasn't the PBI? porsche bureau of investigation

Posted by: palmer_md Nov 30 2010, 06:53 PM

That is very disturbing. Sorry for your loss. I do hope that you get compensated for it.

Posted by: flipb Jan 4 2011, 10:05 AM

Just curious, is the gub'mint gonna make you whole?

Posted by: underthetire Jan 4 2011, 12:18 PM

YA right. They promised us a 3% raise, the highest since i've been here. That was on a thursday. Show up to work on monday, and guess what, pay freeze for 3 years!, no raise. WTF. And before anyone says anything, I can make almost double what i do here on the outside.

Posted by: realred914 Jan 4 2011, 12:24 PM

Near all government workers need a huge pay cut , just like much of the private sector has had to endure. nation is broke, folks unemployeed, yet the government keeps growing. bastards!!!
government pensions should be outlawed, pay the workers there full salery every month, let each worker decide how to save for retirement on there own, dont pass off pension plans on future generations to pay, it is crooked as hell. why should the future taxpayers be on the hook for this government worker ponzi scheme????

Posted by: treborzerimar Jan 4 2011, 12:50 PM

Dog Translation:
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"Really... the motor is in the BACK! I know it's not the optimal design, but Porsche STILL builds some cars like this!"

Just a little joke to lighten the mood.... good luck respolving your issue.

Posted by: flipb Jan 4 2011, 12:57 PM

Oh. Em. Gee.

Take it to the Sandbox and get your own thread locked. I bumped this because I was genuinely interested/concerned about the plight of a fellow 914world member who had a car he owned get badly damaged before he even took delivery, and I'm interested to hear how things are turning out.

I was not looking for speculation on what the government will do from people who obviously feel a need to share their political opinions at every opportunity.

Posted by: SGB Jan 4 2011, 01:24 PM

As a Government worker, I gotta say

"Huge pay cut" sounds good, but is a broad wash. I work hard for my pay, but the work is all bureacracy and BS. Huge pay cut for elected officials? Hell yes. There should be no pay, just expenses. Like any of those folks are hurtin for money or future employment. Ha.

Government spending- There is just a huge disconnect between "make sure and spend it right" and "get value out of government spending".
For every foot of forward progress my projects make, I gotta go ten feet in reporting, justifying, verifying, providing 3rd party oversight, auditing, reviewing, etc etc using convoluted and ineffecient (and HUGE) legacy database and accounting systems. Everything works on the presumption that the Govt employee is trying to rip off the system (gee, why would Congress think that way, unless they...), so I have layers and layers of second-guessing my every move. I think all the backtracking and the auditors cost more than suffering the occaisional genuine crook.

Regarding retirement- I pay into a 401K-like defered tax retirement account. No freebies. "Government Pensions" like you mean are for elected "governemnt employees."

Itsa mess. Maybe the many systems can be "fixed". A total re-do is gonna create chaos and anarchy. The fixes are going to need to be pretty substantial though.

OH, and I already have a pay freeze.


OOps. Thought I was in the sandbox. Andy or whoever, maybe this needs to move.

Posted by: RJMII Jan 4 2011, 01:30 PM

I'd like to know how Johnathan's predicament turned out.

Posted by: realred914 Jan 4 2011, 03:17 PM

me two?????? what up???????????? howd it pan out???????????????????

Posted by: underthetire Jan 4 2011, 04:01 PM

Hey dumbass... Government workers no longer get pensions in most sectors. We are a straight 401K like everyone else. We get "fair" compensation for market, just not usually the market we live in. Hell yes I would make great money if I lived in Arkansas, but I don't, I live in the bay area. The only Government that get those nice retirement packages are the ones we elect. You should really know what the FUCK you are talking about before you respond.

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Posted by: underthetire Jan 4 2011, 04:29 PM

I know, i'm waiting for my time out from Andy now. Didn't get but 2 hours sleep last night. A little punchy.

Posted by: hwgunner Jan 4 2011, 07:52 PM

Well, I do not think i am going to be made whole on this one. Still too soon to really say but the way the system works it looks like they want to know the difference between what the car was worth before the damage and what the car is worth now. I have to get several professional estimates of the value of the car before it was damaged and some estimates of the value of the car now and then they will make an offer. I can always fight them if I do not like the offer but it will be expensive and I will have to weigh the costs and benefits. Part of the trouble with getting the estimates is that the people who give them and under penalty of "fraud" (can't remember the exact word but the government will put them in jail and fine them if they feel they are being lied to) and have to sign a government form saying that they know the consequences. Right now I have 2 people that I am going to ask to look at the car and give me their idea of before and after value and going to hope that they will agree to signing the govt form but i really need to get at least one other person that i do not know to give me their input. I do not want the govt coming back and saying that the numbers are bad because they are people I know. If anyone reading this wants to contribute please PM me. Also, if anyone sees a "sale" of a 73 911T in rough shape and the price can be documented I would like to know about it. I already have 2 from Ebay.

I MUST also say this about the car. Even after everything that has happened with this car, I still get WOOD every time i walk into the shop and see it. Short of the car being crushed by an M1 Bradley or a D7, my enthusiasm will never waiver. I LOVE THIS CAR. Even got it a new motor and trans already along with complete custom suspension.

Posted by: flipb Jan 5 2011, 08:36 AM

That's rough. The cost to repair all the damage will be significantly greater than the difference in the car's value.

Can you claim that your initial plans were to part it out? If so, it would be easier to tally the damage to individual parts and the harm done to their value, piece-by-piece.