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Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 12:35 AM
So we got a good game plan together and decided to move this up to Saturday instead of Sunday. Hope that works for y'all.
looks like the garage will open at 8:30 and we will be quing up some stuff for lunch and will have lots of cold drinks,
you may want to bring something to "park your ass on" as Cesar says 
but thats about all we need, unless anyone's got something special to make these tasks go easier then by all means...
please send me a pm or respond to this thread (again) this week so i can get a head count... let the 
begin!!
thanks guys 
Dave
are you looking for an excuse to get out of the house and shoot the 
?
Tired of looking at your car on jackstands and wouldnt mind looking at someone elses car on jackstands?
or so tired of just driving your trouble free 914 without having to fix anything?
WELL IVE GOT GOOD NEWS!!!
We're having a good ole fashioned hoe down bbq and front end rebuild party!!
but seriously...
i have a some work to do on my car to get it roadworthy for the next dawn patrol.
a good friend and fellow dawn patroller Cesar (aka phat911 ) has generously volunteered to help out by allowing my beat up 914 to be placed on his lift and repaired in a proper fashion. He had also mentioned this may be a good learning experience and bullshit session for all of us...good call Cesar!! 
provided that Cesar is still game, and some other's are interested..heres the plan:
what i need to do:
replace front passenger wheel bearings
replace boge strut inserts
what we can do (time permitting) :
replace all front bearings
replace boge inserts with brand new bilstein inserts
replace all rubber brake lines
install speeder bleeder valves and bleed (curious how good they work)
replace front a arm bushings
replace rear shocks and springs
install bump steer kit
lower car
drink beer
eat costco pizza and hot dogs
make Cesar's neighbors regret living there
make Cesar regret living there
well thats about it..
the date is tentativly scheduled for JAN 30 but could get bumped back
please respond to this thread or pm me if you are interested in being involved..
thanks again for everything world! you are 
cheers 
Dave
PS im hoping Cesar chimes in here..
Posted by: oldschool Dec 31 2010, 01:11 AM
sound good.I may want to hang...with a bunch of cool cats 
Posted by: Als914 Dec 31 2010, 01:27 AM
Sounds good, I'me in.
Posted by: detoxcowboy Dec 31 2010, 08:35 AM
If I am still un-employed by then, I will come drink your beer and watch you work (currently in the O.C.)
Posted by: 76-914 Dec 31 2010, 08:51 AM
Sounds good, I'me in.
I'm in. Hey Al; we might as well ride up together. Need any tools, impacts, torches?
Posted by: Beach914 Dec 31 2010, 09:11 AM
I'm in the same boat as Detox.
If I'm still out of work at the end of the month you can count me in.
Where is Cesar's place?
Posted by: mrbubblehead Dec 31 2010, 09:37 AM
im in too
Posted by: '73-914kid Dec 31 2010, 11:08 AM
I'm in tentatively.. depends on school stuff, but sounds like fun. Let me know if you need me to bring any front end parts.. or any parts... me treasure trove of used suspension parts seems to continue filling up..haha
I'll bring the soda...
-Ethan
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 12:40 PM
Sounds good, I'me in.
I'm in. Hey Al; we might as well ride up together. Need any tools, impacts, torches?
i think we have everything as far as tools go...but i will let you know.
if you guys do bring any tools make sure youve got them labeled so we dont have any mix ups
Dave
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 12:50 PM
I'm in tentatively.. depends on school stuff, but sounds like fun. Let me know if you need me to bring any front end parts.. or any parts... me treasure trove of used suspension parts seems to continue filling up..haha
I'll bring the soda...
-Ethan
watsup Ethan!
suspension parts you say got any front sway bars? lol ive got to stop this madness!!Posted by: Als914 Dec 31 2010, 01:06 PM
Sounds good, I'me in.
I'm in. Hey Al; we might as well ride up together. Need any tools, impacts, torches?
Hey kent
Sounds like a plan...we can plan a time and place to hook up.
Al
Posted by: phatnine11 Dec 31 2010, 01:42 PM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
Posted by: oldschool Dec 31 2010, 02:10 PM
I'm in tentatively.. depends on school stuff, but sounds like fun. Let me know if you need me to bring any front end parts.. or any parts... me treasure trove of used suspension parts seems to continue filling up..haha
I'll bring the soda...
-Ethan
watsup Ethan!
suspension parts you say got any front sway bars? lol ive got to stop this madness!!Dude this is a great idea ....
maybe we can do one for my next project maybe I can design a cool t-shirt and stickers (I have my own equipment ) and give them out to all attendees... but again just to have a time to talk cars would be cool
Posted by: dw914er Dec 31 2010, 02:47 PM
if I plan my school schedule right, I may come down from SLO for the weekend and would be able to go to the 914 party 
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 07:56 PM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
Kent if you still have that surface temp reader doo hickey (scientific terminology) it may come in handy to monitor heating the bushingsyou should definetily attend Mr. Bubblehead. these guys are great and can answer all your 914 questions. its also quite motivating to see their cars ...they actually drive them!!
happy new years to all ! time for a little
Dave
Posted by: Black22 Dec 31 2010, 08:43 PM
I'd be willing to help, but the 30th is a late night for me at work. I'll have to see what the final date ends up being then I'll confirm. It's about time I met some of the other nuts that spend half their money keeping these things on the road like me.
Posted by: mrbubblehead Dec 31 2010, 09:05 PM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
Kent if you still have that surface temp reader doo hickey (scientific terminology) it may come in handy to monitor heating the bushingsyou should definetily attend Mr. Bubblehead. these guys are great and can answer all your 914 questions. its also quite motivating to see their cars ...they actually drive them!!
happy new years to all ! time for a little
Davei definatly want to go but i think the time frame will be to tight for me to drive the teener. i may have to drive (dare i say) a vw. it will be cool to meet some locals.
Posted by: phatnine11 Dec 31 2010, 09:41 PM
I'd be willing to help, but the 30th is a late night for me at work. I'll have to see what the final date ends up being then I'll confirm. It's about time I met some of the other nuts that spend half their money keeping these things on the road like me.
You mean to tell us you only spend 1/2 your money??
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 09:45 PM
no teener required and theres more then a few dubbers attending, myself included. i thought i read something about you having a ghia? Dave
Posted by: '73-914kid Dec 31 2010, 10:05 PM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
Kent if you still have that surface temp reader doo hickey (scientific terminology) it may come in handy to monitor heating the bushingsyou should definetily attend Mr. Bubblehead. these guys are great and can answer all your 914 questions. its also quite motivating to see their cars ...they actually drive them!!
happy new years to all ! time for a little
DaveWhat bushings do you have that need installing? Polyhraphite, delrin, or elephant racing?
You mean a pyrometer?
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 10:11 PM
URO front a arm bushings. i started a thread on here about them and PMB s now offering a special on them. his thread has a handy little video showing installation
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 10:16 PM
linky:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=114245&hl=
Posted by: '73-914kid Dec 31 2010, 10:20 PM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 10:41 PM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
umm no. that would (and correct me if im wrong) render the car inoperable
everything is going to happen that day. i dont think Cesar's wife would appreciate losing her parking spot in their garage to my beat up teener! it is an ambitious list of stuff to get done i know, thats why we may have to chose are battles wisely IMO. trust me, the stack of parts in my garage has tempted me to no end. but with the baby rocketing his way towards the world and the nursery and other stuff not ready...taking the car apart right now(in front of my wife) would not bode well.
drive it in...tear it up...drive it out. thats the plan
(fingers crossed)Dave
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 10:46 PM
heres the thread i plan on updating once were done
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=114206&hl=
Posted by: dirk9141973 Dec 31 2010, 10:49 PM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
I wish they showed how easy new bushing move ? I still had binding till I grooved and installed grease fitting.
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 10:54 PM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
I wish they showed how easy new bushing move ? I still had binding till I grooved and installed grease fitting.
dang it dirk! where were you when i posted my first thread!! so you installed URO bushings and had binding issues? i really dont want to take them off again to modify..care to elaborate?
Posted by: detoxcowboy Dec 31 2010, 11:35 PM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
I wish they showed how easy new bushing move ? I still had binding till I grooved and installed grease fitting.
dang it dirk! where were you when i posted my first thread!! so you installed URO bushings and had binding issues? i really dont want to take them off again to modify..care to elaborate?
"silver socal 74" It appears that the uro bushings your wanting to install are rubber?, if that is true then they are suppossed to be static (not move) but they do flex/twist then recoil just like the factory rubber bushings. So in short binding is what your want. If your installing any of the plastic (poly graphite, delrin, ect.??) then they are supposed to be non-binding and work like a bearing.. I have installed poly/delrin/rubber and have learned the hard example.. Currently and for this car permenently on rubber.. Joe
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 11:47 PM
thats what i thought i had learned from your posts on my other thread. i think dirk (and the vodka) threw me off thanks again Joe
Posted by: detoxcowboy Dec 31 2010, 11:50 PM
thats what i thought i had learned from your posts on my other thread. i think dirk (and the vodka) threw me off
thanks again Joe I like Vodka!
DetoxCowboy!
Posted by: mrbubblehead Dec 31 2010, 11:51 PM
what a coincidence silver. i just went to harbor freight this evening and bought a 12 ton press. i will be installing my rear bushings tomorrow if your in the neighbor hood, drop on by.....
Posted by: silver74insocal Dec 31 2010, 11:56 PM
what a coincidence silver. i just went to harbor freight this evening and bought a 12 ton press. i will be installing my rear bushings tomorrow if your in the neighbor hood, drop on by.....
throw it in the ghia for the party!how much that thing cost ya?
Posted by: mrbubblehead Jan 1 2011, 12:08 AM
seriously? im going to weld it together. but i could probly fit it the bus? it was 150 bucks minus a 20% off coupon. ther is a coupon for 25% off tomorrow only.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 1 2011, 12:16 AM
that would definetily make a difference in the bushing install!! Cesar had a good idea of using the lift like a press..but VERY CAREFULLY!! whatever's clever, if it doesnt get done at the party is no worries
Posted by: mrbubblehead Jan 1 2011, 12:20 AM
that would definetily make a difference in the bushing install!! Cesar had a good idea of using the lift like a press..but VERY CAREFULLY!! whatever's clever, if it doesnt get done at the party is no worries
sure. if i can get it in the bus
. i'll bring it. i'll know better tomorrowPosted by: detoxcowboy Jan 1 2011, 01:00 AM
that would definetily make a difference in the bushing install!! Cesar had a good idea of using the lift like a press..but VERY CAREFULLY!! whatever's clever, if it doesnt get done at the party is no worries
I think back in your other thread I mentioned how I did mine without a vice or press.. I used #1 bottle of dish soap and water, #2 Extra Long Plastic Mechanical Wood Clamps that have a squeeze handle that allows you to slowly tighten and squeeze closed with continual pressure. Cheap tool think (home depot) worked fine but not as easy as the install video's with huge press or vices... Shadetree Mechanic for sure but got the job done..
Posted by: Beach914 Jan 1 2011, 09:39 AM
Kinda off topic but I was going through my garage boxes and sorting things out at my wifes request and found one of my old magazine boxes.
Found a couple of old R&T's Dec 69 and April 70 and look at whats in them!!!!!
Thought I would burn a set for copying and then bring them to the working tech session that we are having.
I think I've got another box with 71 thru 74 R&T's somewhere so I've got to dig some more.
David
Posted by: 76-914 Jan 1 2011, 09:44 AM
Sounds good, I'me in.
I'm in. Hey Al; we might as well ride up together. Need any tools, impacts, torches?
Hey kent
Sounds like a plan...we can plan a time and place to hook up.
Al
10-4; I'm going to take my PU to haul some tools so you can ride with me. PM me before Jan 30 and I'll send you my address in Winchester.
Posted by: 76-914 Jan 1 2011, 09:50 AM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
OK, torches I got. I'll bring one. How about some forks for the ball joints? Pnuematic chisel's?
Posted by: 76-914 Jan 1 2011, 09:56 AM
OK Guys! I will post directions as soon as I tell my wife about the party! :>O!
Ha Ha! Kent, I think a propane or MAP gas torch would be good idea if you can. Otherwise, I think we're good on tools. If anyone has any homebuilt tools that will make any of the work easier, please by all means bring'em down.
Cesar
Kent if you still have that surface temp reader doo hickey (scientific terminology) it may come in handy to monitor heating the bushingsyou should definetily attend Mr. Bubblehead. these guys are great and can answer all your 914 questions. its also quite motivating to see their cars ...they actually drive them!!
happy new years to all ! time for a little
DaveI'll bring one Dave but they are good to about 780' F, only. If you are looking to gage temps above this we will need to get some heat sticks from the welding supply. Do you know what temp your expecting? These heat sticks come in different ranges.
Posted by: dirk9141973 Jan 1 2011, 10:18 AM
Awesome! Have you removed the old ones yet?
I wish they showed how easy new bushing move ? I still had binding till I grooved and installed grease fitting.
dang it dirk! where were you when i posted my first thread!! so you installed URO bushings and had binding issues? i really dont want to take them off again to modify..care to elaborate?
I'm in Ohio over looking OH river at KY Bourbon Drinker!!!
Make the bushings fit the car. You have to work with bushings fit snug not tight or press fit, file, belt sander, etc ?? I found parts are not round after 30 years. The new parts are true and round. (Nothing is true on 914's unless you replaced it) Unless you want to machine or replace "A" arms make bushing fit the car. Once I got snug fit used dremel tool inside the bushing installed groove and drilled and taped greese fitting. You have to drill through rubber bushing to allow greese to flow. Very smooth movement and only cost $29.00 bushings $ 4.00 greese fittings and 6 to 7 hr labor. Someone sells "A" arms with with grease fittings but $ 300 plus.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 1 2011, 01:12 PM
I'll bring one Dave but they are good to about 780' F, only. If you are looking to gage temps above this we will need to get some heat sticks from the welding supply. Do you know what temp your expecting? These heat sticks come in different ranges.
the video says 180-200 deg F
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 1 2011, 01:13 PM
seriously? im going to weld it together. but i could probly fit it the bus? it was 150 bucks minus a 20% off coupon. ther is a coupon for 25% off tomorrow only.
Mrbubblehead,
What kind of welding are you doing??
Cesar
Posted by: mrbubblehead Jan 1 2011, 07:30 PM
seriously? im going to weld it together. but i could probly fit it the bus? it was 150 bucks minus a 20% off coupon. ther is a coupon for 25% off tomorrow only.
Mrbubblehead,
What kind of welding are you doing??
Cesar
its not worth tig welding so i used my mig machine.
btw, the press worked like a charm. it is kind of awkwrd trying to hold the trailing arm and working the press by myself tho.
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 2 2011, 08:21 PM
Gents,
The address is 9411 Poppyfield Ct, Rancho Cucamonga. I would recommend you use the factory installed GPS that came with your 914 :>). You must have the updated maps for your GPS, or all you will see is a vineyard where our home now stands. PM me if you have any questions!
C-YA! on the 30th,
Cesar
Posted by: Derek Seymour Jan 3 2011, 10:16 AM
Gents,
The address is 9411 Poppyfield Ct, Rancho Cucamonga. I would recommend you use the factory installed GPS that came with your 914 :>). You must have the updated maps for your GPS, or all you will see is a vineyard where our home now stands. PM me if you have any questions!
C-YA! on the 30th,
Cesar
I can lend a hand, some tools or just plain B.S.!
I did my front end my self as well and may be able to provide some shorcuts/insight.
Posted by: EdArango Jan 3 2011, 02:16 PM
I'm in......Where is Cesar's place?
Posted by: EdArango Jan 3 2011, 02:19 PM
Hey....I've got my transmission out and clean. Can I bring it down and have someone show me how to rebuild it too or at least give it a once over? 
ED
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 3 2011, 08:42 PM
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I can lend a hand, some tools or just plain B.S.!
I did my front end my self as well and may be able to provide some shorcuts/insight.
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great to hear Derek! did you do the rubber or poly bronze? if you've made any special tools or have any insight to some feel free to pm me or post. hope to see you there Dave
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 3 2011, 08:44 PM
Hey....I've got my transmission out and clean. Can I bring it down and have someone show me how to rebuild it too or at least give it a once over?
ED
that would be great ! although im not sure if anyone in the group can offer much in the tranny rebuilding department ..if so im sure someone will chime in
Dave
Posted by: EdArango Jan 4 2011, 03:38 PM
Posted by: oldschool Jan 4 2011, 04:04 PM
I have the bad Doc...the Good doc. dvd
Posted by: EdArango Jan 4 2011, 07:46 PM
I have the dvd as well. I keep showing it to my transmission but nothing has changed.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 24 2011, 10:38 PM
new date and head count!
Posted by: mrbubblehead Jan 25 2011, 12:19 AM
new date and head count!whats the new date dave?
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 25 2011, 01:01 PM
Jan 29th..this saturday
Posted by: oldschool Jan 25 2011, 01:13 PM
Jan 29th..this saturday
what time?...
Posted by: Als914 Jan 25 2011, 01:15 PM
So we got a good game plan together and decided to move this up to Saturday instead of Sunday. Hope that works for y'all.
looks like the garage will open at 8:30 and we will be quing up some stuff for lunch and will have lots of cold drinks,
you may want to bring something to "park your ass on" as Cesar says
but thats about all we need, unless anyone's got something special to make these tasks go easier then by all means...please send me a pm or respond to this thread (again) this week so i can get a head count... let the
begin!!thanks guys
Daveare you looking for an excuse to get out of the house and shoot the
?Tired of looking at your car on jackstands and wouldnt mind looking at someone elses car on jackstands?
or so tired of just driving your trouble free 914 without having to fix anything?
WELL IVE GOT GOOD NEWS!!!
We're having a good ole fashioned hoe down bbq and front end rebuild party!!
but seriously...
i have a some work to do on my car to get it roadworthy for the next dawn patrol.
a good friend and fellow dawn patroller Cesar (aka phat911 ) has generously volunteered to help out by allowing my beat up 914 to be placed on his lift and repaired in a proper fashion. He had also mentioned this may be a good learning experience and bullshit session for all of us...good call Cesar!!
provided that Cesar is still game, and some other's are interested..heres the plan:
what i need to do:
replace front passenger wheel bearings
replace boge strut inserts
what we can do (time permitting) :
replace all front bearings
replace boge inserts with brand new bilstein inserts
replace all rubber brake lines
install speeder bleeder valves and bleed (curious how good they work)
replace front a arm bushings
replace rear shocks and springs
install bump steer kit
lower car
drink beer
eat costco pizza and hot dogs
make Cesar's neighbors regret living there
make Cesar regret living there
well thats about it..
the date is tentativly scheduled for JAN 30 but could get bumped back
please respond to this thread or pm me if you are interested in being involved..
thanks again for everything world! you are
cheers DavePS im hoping Cesar chimes in here..
I'm In. See you all there.
Posted by: Beach914 Jan 25 2011, 01:42 PM
I am not going to make it guys. I blew out the clutch on my Alfa 164 and the kit arrives on Friday. Its my daily driver so I've got to get it going. Got the engine and tranny separated waiting for parts and reassembly.
I was really looking forward to meeting more of the SoCal gang and learning more about the front end on these cars.
Have a great time.
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 25 2011, 03:32 PM
I'm a definite maybe... I'm fighting a cold right now, so If I can get healthy by Friday evening, I'll come on up in the 914 with a fold up chair..
Fingers crossed I can get healthy in time..
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 25 2011, 04:55 PM
To all,
Just some info. The party ,,, er "work" starts at 08:30 on Saturday, the 29th. If you're coming up the 10 freeway, get off on Archibald and head North (mountains). On 4TH St. turn left (heading West). First signal you come to is Golden Oak, turn right. At the guardhouse punch in "8861" ignore what the screen reads. Follow Golden Oak north until you see the back gate, the last street on the right is Poppyfield Ct, we're right on the corner. The address is:
9411 Poppyfield Ct
Rancho Cucamonga, 91730
Please PM me if you require any additional info.
For you folks coming via the 210 freeway, head east until you get to Archibald, get off there and head South (away from the mountains). Turn right on 4TH St and follow the same directions. PLEASE DO NOT BRING ANY HARD LIQUOR UNLESS IT'S TOP SHELF STUFF AND YOU PLAN ON LEAVING IT! Again, please bring a chair to park your rear end on!
C-YA!
Cesar
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 25 2011, 05:02 PM
Ummmm... if it's the URO or the Elephant rubber, they're "suppose" to bind. This is the style (stock) of bushing they are.
Did your stock bushings move freely?
If you groved them and added zerks you've probably ruined them. Petroleum grease and rubber rarely play well together.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 25 2011, 08:10 PM
thanks for the responses guys! also i forgot to mention if anyone has an outside passenger handle and/or a rear lock (the thumb push thinga majig) i can take them off your hands for a fair price as you will be saving me headaches and shipping fees
see you there AL
hope you can make it Ethan
the show starts at 8:30 or so oldschool
Dave
Posted by: oldschool Jan 26 2011, 02:33 AM
thanks for the responses guys! also i forgot to mention if anyone has an outside passenger handle and/or a rear lock (the thumb push thinga majig) i can take them off your hands for a fair price as you will be saving me headaches and shipping fees
see you there AL
hope you can make it Ethan
the show starts at 8:30 or so oldschool
Dave
Cool my car is making some funny sounds....maybe some one can look at it
Posted by: 76-914 Jan 26 2011, 08:24 AM
No can do Saturday. I have to get my kitchen pass at least 2 weeks in advance. 
You guy's have fun. Kent
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 26 2011, 10:36 PM
awww crap sorry to here that Kent. keep us posted on that black car and hopefully soon i can park my car out front and have random strangers try to buy it.
DAve
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 26 2011, 10:48 PM
Well, I'm slowly starting to feel better.. I'm pretty sure I should be good. Al, you want to meet up at the starbucks and then head up together? Just in case someone has a problem, we won't be stranded alone...haha
Posted by: wertygrog Jan 26 2011, 11:09 PM
ooo, I want to join the festivities! Recently moved here from Daytona Beach. I'm in Esco now. I can drive my 914 there. Should I meet up with yall in Vista or head up the 15 to Rancho Cucamonga?
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 26 2011, 11:48 PM
I'd love to meet up in vista if you'd be up for it. Then maybe we can meet up with Al in temecula and drive up as a group of three...
Posted by: wertygrog Jan 27 2011, 12:26 AM
Cool, pm me where and when you'd like to meet up. My parents are closing on a new house, so hopefully I won't need to help them move stuff with my minibus!
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 27 2011, 09:39 PM
hey fellas ..i wanna make sure i get enough food and drinks so it looks like so far we are gonna see:
Ethan (aka "the kid")
Big Al
Old School
Mr. Werty
and possibly the Bubble headed one?
any else feel free to chime in otherwise i will see you all there
oh and i do have triple A if you all get in trouble on the way up
DAve
Posted by: mrbubblehead Jan 27 2011, 11:35 PM
oh ya, i will be there.
Posted by: shulew 3 Jan 28 2011, 07:36 AM
hey fellas ..i wanna make sure i get enough food and drinks so it looks like so far we are gonna see:
Ethan (aka "the kid")
Big Al
Old School
Mr. Werty
and possibly the Bubble headed one?
any else feel free to chime in otherwise i will see you all there
oh and i do have triple A if you all get in trouble on the way up
DAve
Dave, with be there too!
Lew
Posted by: 914-300Hemi Jan 28 2011, 02:53 PM
Sounds like a fun way to spend a Saturday. Count me in.
Ravi
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 28 2011, 03:34 PM
Sounds like a fun way to spend a Saturday.
Count me in. Ravi
Ravi,
Great to hear from you! I'm glad you'll be joining us on Saturday.
Cesar
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 28 2011, 04:32 PM
Wertygrog, check your PM!
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 29 2011, 11:22 PM
well first of all lemme say thank you to all who participated today. to see all you guys come together and work on my car was quite a sight. it actually brought tears to my eyes....no wait..that was the smell of cesar's garage fridge
but seriously..thank you guys...im in debt to all of you
Everyone seemed to have a good time and EVERYONE helped out in one way or another .
I will update tomorrow cuz its been a long day but heres a few pics..
anyone else who took some pics feel free to post some of the action as most of the day i couldnt take any..
time for a few well deserved guys.
Dave
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 29 2011, 11:24 PM
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 29 2011, 11:24 PM
well first of all lemme say thank you to all who participated today. to see all you guys come together and work on my car was quite a sight. it actually brought tears to my eyes....no wait..that was the smell of cesar's garage fridge
but seriously..thank you guys...im in debt to all of you
Everyone seemed to have a good time and EVERYONE helped out in one way or another .
I will update tomorrow cuz its been a long day but heres a few pics..
anyone else who took some pics feel free to post some of the action as most of the day i couldnt take any..
time for a few well deserved
guys. DaveWhat pictures??
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 29 2011, 11:25 PM
Dave,
how was your drive home, all 1.2 miles of it?? Let me know how the Silver beast felt!
Cesar
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 29 2011, 11:37 PM
great until i turn...then the clunking occurs..i believe the rotors are rubbing on the inside during cornering. they have to come out again.
but going straight she rides like a dream 
i foresee new rotors in my future
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 29 2011, 11:40 PM
You guys got it together and driving! Holy crap! Care to explain the fix with the wheel bearings?
Well, anyways, thanks so much for opening your garage up for all of us ceasar! I've never seen a group get after a car so aggresively...haha id do it again in a heartbeat... so, who's next?
Anyways, I'm glad everything worked out well, and hopefully everyone made it home safe. It was great to meet everyone!
-Ethan
Posted by: oldschool Jan 29 2011, 11:49 PM
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 29 2011, 11:50 PM
I know Jaime (old school) has a ton of photos im hoping he will post a few
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 29 2011, 11:52 PM
SPEAK OF THE DEVIL!!
thanks Jaime!!
Posted by: oldschool Jan 29 2011, 11:52 PM
I shoot a few hrs of Video....Got home and spent the rest of the day keeping my grandson Sean busy...I will try to get to it real soon.
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 12:04 AM
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 30 2011, 12:04 AM
thanks old school
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 12:06 AM
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 12:06 AM
Posted by: wertygrog Jan 30 2011, 12:28 AM
Cool pics!
It was great to meet everyone and to help out with Dave's car! Hopefully you can find a set of correct front rotors and all will be well Dave.
I'm up for any more car builds, or car rallys and such.
Brent D.
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 01:12 AM
Cool pics!
It was great to meet everyone and to help out with Dave's car! Hopefully you can find a set of correct front rotors and all will be well Dave.
I'm up for any more car builds, or car rallys and such.
Brent D.
Dude it was cool meeting you and the rest of the guys,...I'm with you lets do it soon.
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 30 2011, 10:20 AM
I shoot a few hrs of Video....Got home and spent the rest of the day keeping my grandson Sean busy...I will try to get to it real soon.
Jaime,
Just post on this thread so everyone that was here on Saturday can get a look at what you shot!
Thanks again
Posted by: Als914 Jan 30 2011, 12:00 PM
Thanks to Ceasar for hosting this front end rebuild but who else has such a well equipped garage 
Good to see the regular group and some new faces. Great weather 
, good comradery and tasty food but what ever died in the garage frig has to go! 
Jaime (oldschool) filmed some of us that drove our teeners to this event describing our cars...kinda cool. Hope he posts soon.
Saw a front suspension rebuild for the fist time and it was very informative... I am inspired to do mine very soon
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 12:31 PM
It was cool, I was hoping to edit some of the footage that night....I got home and my grandson loves playing in all the cars, he has been sick for a bit now,So I wanted to make he fill better so I sat with him in my wife car,while he played with ever thing that made noise or that had lights come on.
I had the radio on so the key was on the acc. postion he pulled the key out and now I can't get to do any thing 
...I'm on the cars forum trying to get some answers..what suck is that it block all mt other cars
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 30 2011, 12:36 PM
Was the rubber "fun" to mount up? People have eluded to them being difficult but, I haven't heard any real world stories.
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 30 2011, 12:56 PM
It was really really easy Eric... We removed the old bushings without heat, just some youthful brute strength..
I think Ceasar heated the bushings up in boiling water, and with some dish soap and our mexican press, they went right on. VERY easy. One bushing took a litle bit of twisting, but the bushings really gave us no problems. Time will tell how they work on the street.
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 01:19 PM
It was really really easy Eric... We removed the old bushings without heat, just some youthful brute strength..
I think Ceasar heated the bushings up in boiling water, and with some dish soap and our mexican press, they went right on. VERY easy. One bushing took a litle bit of twisting, but the bushings really gave us no problems. Time will tell how they work on the street.
that Mexican
press was so cool ...I want one.Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 30 2011, 01:22 PM
You know it's working when the car begins to rise up off the lift...
Posted by: oldschool Jan 30 2011, 01:43 PM
You know it's working when the car begins to rise up off the lift...
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 30 2011, 09:29 PM
Hey, but it worked great... a true 1 ton press....haha
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 30 2011, 11:57 PM
ok so heres the update.
heres what we got done:
removed front a arms and replaced bushings (new URO's) thanks Eric Shea
followed the instructional video and it worked great. instead of a press we used some PVC plumbing adapter pieces, one size to push on the collar, and one size to push the bushing onto the arm. then used a floor jack to push the assembly up against the bottom of the lift with the car on it. lots of soap and telling the bushing how we would by it dinner and viola...they went right on
installed the new bilstein strut inserts in the front man they are purty.
replaced the front rubber brake lines
swapped out the rear shocks with bilsteins and 100 lbs springs
unfortunately the bearing replacement did not go well.
i bought replacement bearings for a 74 914 but apparently, that is not what i needed. with the new bearings installed on the rotors, the back of the rotor is hitting the splash plate mounting bolts thinking i had somehow got the wrong bearings, i found out the sell 914 bearings at autozone!! the one place i didnt check for them! so i quickly got a 2nd set of bearings and got them back to Cesar's. but upon measuring them, we found they were the same size as the previous set made by NTK (i think) but both of these measured 1/2 a millimeter smaller then the original bearings we removed.
well thats great. keep in mind this car is in the middle of Cesar's garage so we needed to get it mobile again.
well with the splash guards removed the rotors spun freely so i left them off so we could get the car out of there and reassembled it.
now for the funny part. one of the things i failed to mention earlier is the car has been missing the grease caps on the front end since i got it i got some from good ole Bruce and planned on installing them when we got the front end done...Wrong! the grease caps do not fit on the rotors!
we got the car back together and bleed em and i drove it home(by now its almost 8pm) on the short drive i noticed when turning the front end would wobble and clunk..YIKES!!! its new safely back in its nest that is formerly known as my garage and i will be going back at it soon
what the hell rotors do i have?
the saga continues
i will most likely post a new thread with some pics as soon as i get it apart again
tune in next time...same bat time...same bat channel...
Posted by: oldschool Jan 31 2011, 12:27 AM
If you guy's wait up I did a short teaser ....up loading it now
Posted by: oldschool Jan 31 2011, 12:32 AM
it working now...utube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCBpgD_1Hp0
Video embedded by Admin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCBpgD_1Hp0
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 12:35 AM
linky no workie ![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 12:38 AM
spoiler alert...it does not have a happy ending 
Posted by: steveherman Jan 31 2011, 12:40 AM
ooo, I want to join the festivities! Recently moved here from Daytona Beach. I'm in Esco now. I can drive my 914 there. Should I meet up with yall in Vista or head up the 15 to Rancho Cucamonga?
ugh... i wanna move to cali.
Posted by: oldschool Jan 31 2011, 12:45 AM
I have a few hrs of footage, again I will do a fun edit as soon as I can....
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 12:50 AM
Awesome teaser! Thanks Jaime!
Dave, tommorow after school, I'll tear apart my spare '74 front suspension and see if we missed a step, or if I can see a noticeable difference in rotors or struts...
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 01:00 AM
I just noticed something Dave, the back side of that rotor looks like a 70-72 brake rotor. The front however has the correct hub-centering ring that says it's a 73-76 brake rotor... I think you need new rotors...
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 01:04 AM
Awesome teaser! Thanks Jaime!
Dave, tommorow after school, I'll tear apart my spare '74 front suspension and see if we missed a step, or if I can see a noticeable difference in rotors or struts...
haha if all goes well so will I.
hopefully sneaking out of spring valley around 1 pm..home by 3 under car by 3:05....if you get the rotor off see if u can locate the part # on the spindle side
thanks, Dave
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 03:47 PM
The only part number on the rotor is "88" or at least from what I can see from the surface. They also appear to be the early style brake rotors... Why they're on a '74, I'll never know.. Maybe at some point the struts were switched. who knows...
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 05:00 PM
The only part number on the rotor is "88" or at least from what I can see from the surface. They also appear to be the early style brake rotors... Why they're on a '74, I'll never know..
Maybe at some point the struts were switched. who knows...are we talking yours or mine?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 05:16 PM
You gents are frustrating me. Take some pictures damnit.
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 05:47 PM
My 1974 parts car has boge struts and the early style non centering hub brake rotors. They have 88 stamped on them..
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 06:38 PM
Eric .
thanks Ethan.
i was gonna make a new thread on this but heres the rotors i have
note the part# (looks to me ) says "075B" which i thought i had read somewhere that 075 is early rotors and 075B is late but im off to research that now....
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 06:39 PM
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 06:45 PM
Front brake rotor 411.407.075 1970-Early 72 1.7L VW 1971-74 411/412, VW 1972-73 Type 3
Front brake rotor 411.407.075A Late 1972-73 1.7L, 2.0L VW 1971-74 411/412, VW 1972-73 Type 3
Front brake rotor 411.407.075B 1974-76 1.8L, 2.0L VW 1971-74 411/412, VW 1972-73 Type 3
i just pulled this from:
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/TechNotebook.htm
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 06:47 PM
Those rotors are late "hub centric".
Look at where your ball joints attach to the strut. Does the end have a slit and pinch bolt or are they solid with a double taper pin holding in the ball joint?
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:05 PM
Those rotors are late "hub centric".
Look at where your ball joints attach to the strut. Does the end have a slit and pinch bolt or are they solid with a double taper pin holding in the ball joint?
uh what?
no, IIRC the ball joint had a slit in it that had to be aligned with the strut mounting hole and a pin pushed through which is threaded on one end and held on with a nut.lemme see if i can find a EPV or an actual pic...thanks Slits..
dont know if this helps...i will keep looking:
Posted by: Rotary'14 Jan 31 2011, 07:08 PM
ok so heres the update.
heres what we got done:
removed front a arms and replaced bushings (new URO's) thanks Eric Shea
followed the instructional video and it worked great. instead of a press we used some PVC plumbing adapter pieces, one size to push on the collar, and one size to push the bushing onto the arm. then used a floor jack to push the assembly up against the bottom of the lift with the car on it. lots of soap and telling the bushing how we would by it dinner and viola...they went right on
installed the new bilstein strut inserts in the front man they are purty.
replaced the front rubber brake lines
swapped out the rear shocks with bilsteins and 100 lbs springs
unfortunately the bearing replacement did not go well.
i bought replacement bearings for a 74 914 but apparently, that is not what i needed. with the new bearings installed on the rotors, the back of the rotor is hitting the splash plate mounting bolts
thinking i had somehow got the wrong bearings, i found out the sell 914 bearings at autozone!! the one place i didnt check for them! so i quickly got a 2nd set of bearings and got them back to Cesar's. but upon measuring them, we found they were the same size as the previous set made by NTK (i think) but both of these measured 1/2 a millimeter smaller then the original bearings we removed. well thats great. keep in mind this car is in the middle of Cesar's garage so we needed to get it mobile again.
well with the splash guards removed the rotors spun freely so i left them off so we could get the car out of there and reassembled it.
now for the funny part. one of the things i failed to mention earlier is the car has been missing the grease caps on the front end since i got it
i got some from good ole Bruce and planned on installing them when we got the front end done...Wrong! the grease caps do not fit on the rotors!we got the car back together and bleed em and i drove it home(by now its almost 8pm) on the short drive i noticed when turning the front end would wobble and clunk..YIKES!!! its new safely back in its nest that is formerly known as my garage and i will be going back at it soon
what the hell rotors do i have?
the saga continues
i will most likely post a new thread with some pics as soon as i get it apart again
tune in next time...same bat time...same bat channel...
Look at post #117
From looking at your pic,, I think a previous owner used the wrong inner wheel bearing. That would explain why the correct bearings allowed your rotor to hit the splash plate. The inner bearing race is pressed in too far, just look at the pic.
That's just my .02,, take it for what it's worth.
-Robert
PS,, Hey OldSchool,, when are you going to come and get your engine mount? I had to kick down my machinist buddy a couple of bucks to get it done.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 07:10 PM
Where is your wheel seal? Did you guys put that back in?
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 07:11 PM
Those rotors are late "hub centric".
Look at where your ball joints attach to the strut. Does the end have a slit and pinch bolt or are they solid with a double taper pin holding in the ball joint?
uh what?
no, IIRC the ball joint had a slit in it that had to be aligned with the strut mounting hole and a pin pushed through which is threaded on one end and held on with a nut.lemme see if i can find a EPV or an actual pic...thanks Slits..
dont know if this helps...i will keep looking:
If it had a slit in it, with a fastner and nut, you have EARLY struts and they take a different rotor. I may have two new ones in my stash (which I will never use). You need them, they're in Riverside. If you are interested, I will look tomorrow to see if they are still where I stashed them.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 07:15 PM
Sounds like he's describing a later pin.
Everything is correct from what I can see. Seal? No Seal?
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:19 PM
[color=#000000]the seal was in i just removed everything again today to get the part# and pics.
i think your right Slits im just trying to get the PET pdf to open so i can confirm. i am interested in you rotors and can be in Riverside tomorrow afternoon.
i definetly dont want to replace the front end just to use 74 bearings
thanks for the all the input fellas much appreciated. Dave
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 07:19 PM
Maybe Eric, but if the strut had a slit in the bottom for the pinch bolt .. ah, forget it.
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 07:21 PM
[color=#000000]the seal was in i just removed everything again today to get the part# and pics.
i think your right Slits im just trying to get the PET pdf to open so i can confirm. i am interested in you rotors and can be in Riverside tomorrow afternoon.
i definetly dont want to replace the front end just to use 74 bearings
thanks for the all the input fellas much appreciated. Dave
PET won't show you shit about the struts unless you look at the pins / bolts that attach them.
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 31 2011, 07:37 PM
Those rotors are late "hub centric".
Look at where your ball joints attach to the strut. Does the end have a slit and pinch bolt or are they solid with a double taper pin holding in the ball joint?
Slits,
I remember looking at the balljoint retaining bolt, it has 2 flat spots on it, as in a double taper. Eric, everything was re-installed as it came out except we used new bearings and seals. The inner bearing (new bearing) is a tight fit on the spindle. When I tried to remove the rotor after we noticed the rubbing, the inner bearing and the seal popped off of the rotor and remained on the spindle. We removed the dust shields and assembled the entire unit. the calipers are not rubbing against the rotor, but the clearance between the 2 is very, very close.
Cesar
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:49 PM
heres the strut pin in question...
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:51 PM
EXTREME CLOSE UP!!!!
thanks guys, DAve
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:52 PM
and yes i am a student of Sir Andy's artistic photog university
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 07:53 PM
Late.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 07:54 PM
Shoot a pic of the spindle please.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 07:57 PM
cool so i have late struts, late rotors, and late bearings
it all makes sense now...
Posted by: oldschool Jan 31 2011, 07:58 PM
ok so heres the update.
heres what we got done:
removed front a arms and replaced bushings (new URO's) thanks Eric Shea
followed the instructional video and it worked great. instead of a press we used some PVC plumbing adapter pieces, one size to push on the collar, and one size to push the bushing onto the arm. then used a floor jack to push the assembly up against the bottom of the lift with the car on it. lots of soap and telling the bushing how we would by it dinner and viola...they went right on
installed the new bilstein strut inserts in the front man they are purty.
replaced the front rubber brake lines
swapped out the rear shocks with bilsteins and 100 lbs springs
unfortunately the bearing replacement did not go well.
i bought replacement bearings for a 74 914 but apparently, that is not what i needed. with the new bearings installed on the rotors, the back of the rotor is hitting the splash plate mounting bolts
thinking i had somehow got the wrong bearings, i found out the sell 914 bearings at autozone!! the one place i didnt check for them! so i quickly got a 2nd set of bearings and got them back to Cesar's. but upon measuring them, we found they were the same size as the previous set made by NTK (i think) but both of these measured 1/2 a millimeter smaller then the original bearings we removed. well thats great. keep in mind this car is in the middle of Cesar's garage so we needed to get it mobile again.
well with the splash guards removed the rotors spun freely so i left them off so we could get the car out of there and reassembled it.
now for the funny part. one of the things i failed to mention earlier is the car has been missing the grease caps on the front end since i got it
i got some from good ole Bruce and planned on installing them when we got the front end done...Wrong! the grease caps do not fit on the rotors!we got the car back together and bleed em and i drove it home(by now its almost 8pm) on the short drive i noticed when turning the front end would wobble and clunk..YIKES!!! its new safely back in its nest that is formerly known as my garage and i will be going back at it soon
what the hell rotors do i have?
the saga continues
i will most likely post a new thread with some pics as soon as i get it apart again
tune in next time...same bat time...same bat channel...
Look at post #117
From looking at your pic,, I think a previous owner used the wrong inner wheel bearing. That would explain why the correct bearings allowed your rotor to hit the splash plate. The inner bearing race is pressed in too far, just look at the pic.
That's just my .02,, take it for what it's worth.
-Robert
PS,, Hey OldSchool,, when are you going to come and get your engine mount? I had to kick down my machinist buddy a couple of bucks to get it done.
dude you rock
just let me know when.....and don't forget your going to be on camera
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 08:02 PM
der spindle:
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 08:05 PM
All basically boiling down to wrong bearings.
Late Rotor
Late Strut
Spindle has the spacer installed on it
Dirty Late Calipers 
(SHAME ON YOU!)
Want me to send you some or...?
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 08:09 PM
So that's it? They're the wrong bearings altogether?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 08:23 PM
Hard to be an armchair quarterback but, everything else seems to be factory stock. Everything else was working before it was removed and the bearings are the only new part of the equation.Sometimes they don't go on the spindle just right and they need to "pop" to get them on there but, it sonds like you guys were "more" than on the spindle.
I'm guessing the bearings had a larger opening and are allowing the rotor to ride further back on the spindle than they should.
Robert could be right in a sense... although I don't know how you could press a race in "too far". They stop where they stop but... those races may be too shallow and the bearing would then ride further out on the spindle, allowing the disc to ride too far inward and rub.
Posted by: Rotary'14 Jan 31 2011, 08:32 PM
Hard to be an armchair quarterback but, everything else seems to be factory stock. Everything else was working before it was removed and the bearings are the only new part of the equation.Sometimes they don't go on the spindle just right and they need to "pop" to get them on there but, it sonds like you guys were "more" than on the spindle.
I'm guessing the bearings had a larger opening and are allowing the rotor to ride further back on the spindle than they should.
Robert could be right in a sense... although I don't know how you could press a race in "too far". They stop where they stop but... those races may be too shallow and the bearing would then ride further out on the spindle, allowing the disc to ride too far inward and rub.
You're right Eric,, you can't press a race on too far,, I just took a look at a hub I had around and you gotta be a gorilla to press it on too far. I was grasping at straws there. But the OP does mention that the bearings didn't match dimensionally with his replacements. I read somewhere that timken, skf, fag, bearings you can swap the races,, if using another brand you'd be safer replacing the race. Perhaps the bearings that were replaced had different dimension races.
-Robert
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 08:50 PM
Hard to be an armchair quarterback but, everything else seems to be factory stock. Everything else was working before it was removed and the bearings are the only new part of the equation.Sometimes they don't go on the spindle just right and they need to "pop" to get them on there but, it sonds like you guys were "more" than on the spindle.
I'm guessing the bearings had a larger opening and are allowing the rotor to ride further back on the spindle than they should.
Robert could be right in a sense... although I don't know how you could press a race in "too far". They stop where they stop but... those races may be too shallow and the bearing would then ride further out on the spindle, allowing the disc to ride too far inward and rub.
You're right Eric,, you can't press a race on too far,, I just took a look at a hub I had around and you gotta be a gorilla to press it on too far. I was grasping at straws there. But the OP does mention that the bearings didn't match dimensionally with his replacements. I read somewhere that timken, skf, fag, bearings you can swap the races,, if using another brand you'd be safer replacing the race. Perhaps the bearings that were replaced had different dimension races.
-Robert
Please tell me you didn't put new bearings in with old races ..... please!
Posted by: '73-914kid Jan 31 2011, 08:55 PM
Brand new bearings and races were installed...
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 09:06 PM
I think in theory Robert might be right about that bearing being in to far though...
If it's a thinner bearing race (it does look a tad deep in there), that would place the bearing "outward" on the spindle meaning; you would have to push the rotor "inward" a tad further to get the bearing to engage in the proper spot on the spindle. 1-2mm would be enough to cause these issues I would think.
Even you can look at the pictures can't ya Festus?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 09:12 PM
I could be way off but this is the area of concern AND the fact that they're saying the bearings are measuring off (which is more curcial than anything).
If you still have the old bearings, clean them up a bit and slip them over that bare spindle. See how far they go up the spindle. Mark it with a Sharpie. Then slip the new bearing on the spindle and mark how far it goes.
Posted by: 914-300Hemi Jan 31 2011, 09:16 PM
Great Video Old school. Dave keep us updated if the new rotors will fix the issue. I had a great time hanging out and watching other people fix Dave's car. The beer and hot dogs were good too.
Ravi
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 09:19 PM
Brand new bearings and races were installed...
X2....one set made by nmt or something....new bearings AND races....didnt work so i thought great...wrong bearings...went to autozone (thanks werty) and picked up brand new Timken brand bearings and races.....put those in...same shit.
unless some genuis machined the rotors to accept different bearings?
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2011, 09:21 PM
That would be:
Die Spindel
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 09:21 PM
or 3 different people pressed the races in further then they should have gone?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 09:22 PM
I don't think so... the races fit. Tell us agin where the bearings measured differently.
Did you order by Vehicle from AutoZone or by bearing number?
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 09:24 PM
That would be:
Die Spindel
my 2 years of high school german really paid off
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 09:28 PM
You basically "can't" do that, unless the race seat is gone or damaged. They only go in so far.
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 09:29 PM
I don't think so... the races fit. Tell us agin where the bearings measured differently.
Did you order by Vehicle from AutoZone or by bearing number?
by vehicle..i believe they measure .5 mm narrower (is that a word?) then the original ones . ( i will have to verify)
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2011, 09:35 PM
A narrower race would sit further in the rotor/hub. This would mean the rotor would have to be pressed further on to the spindle for the bearing to engage the spindle. This is your problem.
Posted by: SLITS Jan 31 2011, 09:44 PM
I think in theory Robert might be right about that bearing being in to far though...
If it's a thinner bearing race (it does look a tad deep in there), that would place the bearing "outward" on the spindle meaning; you would have to push the rotor "inward" a tad further to get the bearing to engage in the proper spot on the spindle. 1-2mm would be enough to cause these issues I would think.
Even you can look at the pictures can't ya Festus?
Huh? I lost my glasses (binoculars).
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 09:48 PM
I think in theory Robert might be right about that bearing being in to far though...
If it's a thinner bearing race (it does look a tad deep in there), that would place the bearing "outward" on the spindle meaning; you would have to push the rotor "inward" a tad further to get the bearing to engage in the proper spot on the spindle. 1-2mm would be enough to cause these issues I would think.
Even you can look at the pictures can't ya Festus?
Huh? I lost my glasses (binoculars).
Posted by: silver74insocal Jan 31 2011, 10:04 PM
A narrower race would sit further in the rotor/hub. This would mean the rotor would have to be pressed further on to the spindle for the bearing to engage the spindle. This is your problem.
this is my understanding but my confusion was as to why. this is the part im not getting... i guess i need to go back and find the correct timken part#'s and make sure thats what i have. then go back and verify the KML part #'s...if these are correct...hello square 1 again.
thanks for the input and the generous offer on the bearings Eric
Dave
Posted by: phatnine11 Jan 31 2011, 11:52 PM
A narrower race would sit further in the rotor/hub. This would mean the rotor would have to be pressed further on to the spindle for the bearing to engage the spindle. This is your problem.
Eric,
I understand what you mean about where the rotor/hub will sit on the spindle. From what I could see, the clearance between the rotor and the caliper is very, very small. So if the rotor/hub was in too far, I would expect the rotor/hub to hit and even lock up when the caliper is installed (or attempted to be installed). The races were installed up to the stops that are machined into the hub.
Cesar
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 1 2011, 09:53 AM
You're right... there should only be 1.5mm there. It could very well be the "caliper" that the rotor was hitting. Dave, did you check the inside of the caliper for signs of interference? But... it did go away when the dust shield was removed.
Also, if this happens on turns, are we sure the assembly was snugged up on the spindle properly?
Also, did someone mistakenly step on the dust shields? Did they somehow get bent upon removal? If the rotor is true in the caliper pad groove, no interference, no runout (beyond spec.) then everything is correct there. At that point, bend the dust shields slightly back and "run-it".
Posted by: phatnine11 Feb 1 2011, 10:04 AM
You're right... there should only be 1.5mm there. It could very well be the "caliper" that the rotor was hitting. Dave, did you check the inside of the caliper for signs of interference? But... it did go away when the dust shield was removed.
Also, if this happens on turns, are we sure the assembly was snugged up on the spindle properly?
Also, did someone mistakenly step on the dust shields? Did they somehow get bent upon removal? If the rotor is true in the caliper pad groove, no interference, no runout (beyond spec.) then everything is correct there. At that point, bend the dust shields slightly back and "run-it".
Eric,
The noise we were hearing started before the calipers were installed. I think what Dave an I have to do is step back and start from the beginning with the disc install. You're right, the dust shields could have been stepped on while we had the car apart. Dave, give me a call later to discuss the next steps.
Cesar
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 1 2011, 10:39 AM
thanks guys but i definetly think the rotor was hitting the mounting bolt heads on the dust cover cuz the interference was rock solid.
i was hoping to get a measurement between the top of the inner bearing race and the back of the rotor to compare to what mine is. that would tell me if the bearings were to narrow
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 1 2011, 10:47 AM
also if anyone's got the timken part # for the correct bearing?
mine are : 053893 73002 8 or 10Z 22
and : 053893 73041 7 or 10Z 33
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 1 2011, 10:54 AM
Looking at your pictures, it's hard to conceive where the bolts would hit your rotor. You also mentioned that it rubbed on your way home "without the shield" and assuming without the bolts. I do see a lot of metal pieces right around the base of the rotor where the seal would slide over the spacer on your spindle.
I believe your rotor is bottoming out on the base of the spindle. Again, .5mm there would probably do it...
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 1 2011, 11:04 AM
Looking at your pictures, it's hard to conceive where the bolts would hit your rotor. You also mentioned that it rubbed on your way home "without the shield" and assuming without the bolts. I do see a lot of metal pieces right around the base of the rotor where the seal would slide over the spacer on your spindle.
I believe your rotor is bottoming out on the base of the spindle. Again, .5mm there would probably do it...
i was hoping not to have to say but the lug bolts on the p side wheel werent tight on the way home...thank god it was only a few blocks
please go easy it was a really long day
Posted by: '73-914kid Feb 1 2011, 12:04 PM
Well that would account for the clunking......i still think something is up with that brake rotor dave. I have autozone timkinbearings on my late struts and rotors. The bearings have no issues with the races sitting in too far in on the rotor...
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 1 2011, 01:09 PM
So, which one of you called Brad for help when you realized there was a problem with the bearing???
Because he call me right afterward to see if i could find any clues as to why it didn't fit.
Talk about small 914 world ....
Posted by: oldschool Feb 1 2011, 01:12 PM
So, which one of you called Brad for help when you realized there was a problem with the bearing???
Because he call me right afterward to see if i could find any clues as to why it didn't fit.
Talk about small 914 world ....
That would me....He works on my car
+ he know a thing or 2
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 1 2011, 02:32 PM
Posted by: 914-300Hemi Feb 2 2011, 11:43 AM
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 7 2011, 11:00 PM
ok guys soory for the late update but here goes:
SLITS IS THE MAN!!!
what a nice guy...he saw my plight and offered up a set of late style rotors complete with bearings seals, caps and all. hell he even went and removed them from a front end he had! so i picked those up and headed home, slapped one on the car and worked like a champ!! the bearings were in desperate of need of a repack so i started soaking them. now these rotors were a little more run down then mine.... out came the races and i put them in my rotors ( i mean cmon, you guys saw them, they are brand spanking new!!) cleaned up the bearings and put them in my rotors and on the car as well as the splash shields...works like a champ..SUccEsS!!
DAM!! it WAS the bearings!! (i thought)
repacked em and went re installed my rotors..done.
went to install the bearing dust caps...no dice!! i beat em like a rented mule and they were not going on.
DAM!!! it WAS the rotors and the bearings!! how f%cking lame is that!!
friday i got a micrometer and measured em..the hub where the dust caps fits is roughly a half a MM larger then the ones SLits gave me.
now i have both Slits' rotors and bearings installed and the car handles superb
the URO bushings so far are quiet and the bilsteins..worth every penny!
lessons learned:
-NEVeR order bearings by the car, order by the bearing part #.
-murphy is alive and well living in my car
- theres a bunch of really cool people around here
again many thanks to all involved
anytime you guys need anything please dont hesitate to call on me
Dave
Posted by: oldschool Feb 7 2011, 11:34 PM
ok guys soory for the late update but here goes:
SLITS IS THE MAN!!!
what a nice guy...he saw my plight and offered up a set of late style rotors complete with bearings seals, caps and all. hell he even went and removed them from a front end he had! so i picked those up and headed home, slapped one on the car and worked like a champ!! the bearings were in desperate of need of a repack so i started soaking them. now these rotors were a little more run down then mine....
out came the races and i put them in my rotors ( i mean cmon, you guys saw them, they are brand spanking new!!) cleaned up the bearings and put them in my rotors and on the car as well as the splash shields...works like a champ..SUccEsS!!DAM!! it WAS the bearings!! (i thought)
repacked em and went re installed my rotors..done.
went to install the bearing dust caps...no dice!! i beat em like a rented mule and they were not going on.
DAM!!! it WAS the rotors and the bearings!! how f%cking lame is that!!
friday i got a micrometer and measured em..the hub where the dust caps fits is roughly a half a MM larger then the ones SLits gave me.
now i have both Slits' rotors and bearings installed and the car handles superb
the URO bushings so far are quiet and the bilsteins..worth every penny!
lessons learned:
-NEVeR order bearings by the car, order by the bearing part #.
-murphy is alive and well living in my car
- theres a bunch of really cool people around here
again many thanks to all involved
anytime you guys need anything please dont hesitate to call on me
Dave
Dave I tried to get your number from Cesar (text) no r-turn....I wondering what was going on
.. cool that it all work out ...next party..my house
Posted by: wertygrog Feb 7 2011, 11:41 PM
That was quite the journey! Did you measure SLITS bearings to see if they really are different, or compare the part numbers? How about the rotor part numbers?
Glad to hear the beast is alive!
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 7 2011, 11:52 PM
i snapped pics of both sets of timken bearing part #'s and the rotors are really crusty where the part #'s are. i was in abit of a hurry to get the car moving to get the garage open so i didnt mic the bearings. i will probably replace the rotors soon as one is borderline so when that happens i will measure everything.
Posted by: silver74insocal Feb 7 2011, 11:54 PM
.. cool that it all work out ...next party..my house start a thread and lets do this!!! oh and just pm me and i will give you my #, i drive thru P town all the time!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 8 2011, 09:47 AM
Did he try to touch you "inappropriately"?
(Tip: Slits doesn't like it when you post nice things about him. Ron's OK with it but, Slits has an image to uphold.)
All kidding aside... the man is golden. Glad you got your car up and running.
Posted by: oldschool Feb 8 2011, 11:20 AM
Dave I tried to get your number from Cesar (text) no r-turn....I wondering what was going on
.. cool that it all work out ...next party..my house start a thread and lets do this!!! oh and just pm me and i will give you my #, i drive thru P town all the time!
cool
Posted by: 914-300Hemi Feb 8 2011, 12:55 PM
Glad you got it figured out and working.
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