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Posted by: ripper911 Feb 26 2011, 11:30 AM

I've been thinking about this lately.

Back when I only had Beetles I thought a type IV would be too expensive, but now that I'm buying them left and right I see this isn't always the case. And it would be a nice boost for the fun factor!

How hard is it to put one of these into a Beetle?
Specifically a 73 Super Beetle.

Posted by: Scarlet75 Feb 26 2011, 11:32 AM

I would say ask Jake.

Posted by: underthetire Feb 26 2011, 11:40 AM

I was thinking the same thing for the ghia wenarenprobably picking up. The upright cooling system conversion would probably cost more than a decent type 1.

Posted by: Zimms Feb 26 2011, 11:53 AM

Joe Cali has been doing them for years. Jake had him on one of his first radio shows. His site:

http://www.nextgen-usa.com/

Some of his work:

http://tunacan.net/t4/owners/joe-cali74/

Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 26 2011, 11:58 AM

Jake's Aircooled Technology Forum has a section on Type IV conversion...

Posted by: RJMII Feb 26 2011, 12:03 PM

IIRC, it takes the upright cooling system, a different flywheel and clutch, modified sheet metal, and engine mount.

I'm sure I left something out, besides the exhaust; but, since it has been done so much I bet there are kits out there that make it super easy and have had a couple decades of improvements done.

Posted by: underthetire Feb 26 2011, 12:08 PM

I forgot Jake did them
http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/product.php?productid=16155&cat=0&page=1

Think we will keep ours type 1 for now.

Posted by: stugray Feb 26 2011, 12:27 PM

Did anyone mention to check:

http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/home.php

Stu

Posted by: veltror Feb 26 2011, 04:30 PM

The Germans have been doing this for years I'll post some links later.

Posted by: Jake Raby Feb 26 2011, 07:36 PM

We've been doing it for years too.. I did my first one 20 years ago.

My forums are all about the conversion, we have every part necessary to BOLT the engine in, no cuting and no hassles.

Posted by: 76-914 Feb 26 2011, 08:36 PM

Jake can correct me but I think the ghia has enough room to use the T4 w/o mods to the std T4 cooling system.

Posted by: Jake Raby Feb 26 2011, 08:48 PM

Yeah if you want to cut up the engine bay and still settle for compromised cooling and an engine that weighs 40# more. Converting to upright is the only way to go.

Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 26 2011, 10:08 PM

Chris (type11969) has a TIV converted bug. I wanted to get it from him at one time

Posted by: Gary Feb 27 2011, 10:23 AM

Fits nice

Posted by: Jake Raby Feb 27 2011, 12:52 PM

MassIVe engines all converted to upright using my DTM. These engines average 140-250HP, all are street engines on pump gas. The conversion is simple with perfected components.

In a beetle.. note the airconditioning, this is my Wife's car


This one is a 3 liter twin plug making 250HP


In a VW Thing


In an early Bay Window Bus


In a 356A (yes that is a V2 DTM!


In a 356B


In a 912

Posted by: ripper911 Feb 27 2011, 01:54 PM

Thanks Jake! I knew it would fit...

I'll take one of each of those cars!