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Posted by: silver74insocal Mar 16 2011, 06:11 PM

i've tried nothing and i'm all out of ideas jk. goof off and brake cleaner dont even seem to dent it. is there any easy method? or just a healthy dose of elbow grease and a plastic scraper?

any help will get you much appreciation and a drank in your honor
TIA, Dave

Posted by: Cheapsnake Mar 16 2011, 07:01 PM

By the time you find a solvent to cut through the adhesive and finally get it scraped off, you might as well get yourself some aircraft stripper and take it down to bare metal. That stuff is nasty and gets worse with age.

Tom

Posted by: silver74insocal Mar 16 2011, 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Cheapsnake @ Mar 16 2011, 06:01 PM)

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 16 2011, 09:24 PM

Goof-off worked for me. Maybe try a more agressive solvent on a rag and let it sit on top of the glue.

Posted by: AZ914 Mar 16 2011, 09:27 PM

What are you going to do with the sails? Leave them bare or put vinyl back on? If vinyl.. just sand down any high spots and re-apply adhesive for the next vinyl...

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 16 2011, 09:28 PM

3M brand adhesive remover sold in bodyshop supply stores.

Posted by: silver74insocal Mar 16 2011, 10:19 PM

thanks for the responses guys. new vinyl is going on but i would imagine the adhesive would work better if old glue is completely removed. gues i'll head to the body shop supply house tomorrow, thanks guys Dave

Posted by: windforfun Mar 17 2011, 10:43 AM

Have you tried straight acetone?

Posted by: r_towle Mar 17 2011, 11:40 AM

3m adhesive remover, 3m gasket remover, alchohol, acetone, laquer thinner.
Of the last three, one of them will get it.

That is the order I would go.
Let none of these hit the rest of the paint....cover that area below with plastic.

Posted by: Rex-n-effect Mar 17 2011, 12:48 PM

3m adhesive remover,

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Mar 17 2011, 02:34 PM

Acetone may remove the paint...

Seems to me its just rubber-based cement, and that plain ole paint thinner will take it off.

Posted by: r_towle Mar 17 2011, 02:46 PM

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Mar 17 2011, 04:34 PM)

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 17 2011, 03:58 PM

Last time I did it (20+ years ago) I thought about acetone, but it's way too volatile and not exactly good for your lungs. Used 3m adhesive remover copiously & let it sit for about 30 minutes. Used a plastic scraper & got most of it. Used my fingers to get the little balls that just moved around. Takes some patience, but it'll come off. Ventilate!
Pat

Posted by: Drums66 Mar 17 2011, 04:35 PM

...Goo gone(citrus cleaner)get drunk!

Posted by: kg6dxn Mar 17 2011, 04:49 PM

80 grit sanding disc on a 4" angle grinder... That will take it off... and the paint... and your skin... and... and...

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 17 2011, 04:57 PM

3M remover works great!!

Posted by: windforfun Mar 17 2011, 05:08 PM

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 17 2011, 02:58 PM)

Posted by: r_towle Mar 17 2011, 05:10 PM

QUOTE(windforfun @ Mar 17 2011, 07:08 PM)

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Mar 17 2011, 02:58 PM)

Last time I did it (20+ years ago) I thought about acetone, but it's way too volatile and not exactly good for your lungs. Used 3m adhesive remover copiously & let it sit for about 30 minutes. Used a plastic scraper & got most of it. Used my fingers to get the little balls that just moved around. Takes some patience, but it'll come off. Ventilate!
Pat

Acetone is virtually harmless unless swallowed. However, don't smoke when you use it.

Posted by: 76-914 Mar 17 2011, 05:17 PM

A friggin men, that stuff heads straight for your liver. Maybe we can get the good Dr.E to weigh in on this. What's osmosis? Back on track...Body shops also sell a rubber wheel for removing glue/mastic crap but I don't know if it would work on the hardened Wurth's stuff. Anyone?

Posted by: windforfun Mar 17 2011, 05:29 PM

From the MSDS for acetone:

Potential Health Effects:

Inhalation:
Inhalation of vapors irritates the respiratory tract. May cause coughing, dizziness, dullness, and headache. Higher concentrations can produce central nervous system depression, narcosis, and unconsciousness.
Ingestion:
Swallowing small amounts is not likely to produce harmful effects. Ingestion of larger amounts may produce abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting. Aspiration into lungs can produce severe lung damage and is a medical emergency. Other symptoms are expected to parallel inhalation.
Skin Contact:
Irritating due to defatting action on skin. Causes redness, pain, drying and cracking of the skin.
Eye Contact:
Vapors are irritating to the eyes. Splashes may cause severe irritation, with stinging, tearing, redness and pain.
Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged or repeated skin contact may produce severe irritation or dermatitis.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Use of alcoholic beverages enhances toxic effects. Exposure may increase the toxic potential of chlorinated hydrocarbons, such as chloroform, trichloroethane.

Posted by: kg6dxn Mar 17 2011, 08:29 PM

Here is my MSDS for Acetone. It is very nasty stuff, most people take for granted...

Posted by: windforfun Mar 18 2011, 10:00 AM

This is really nasty stuff too.

Material Safety Data Sheet
Ethyl Alcohol, 70%
ACC# 91791
Section 1 - Chemical Product and Company Identification
MSDS Name: Ethyl Alcohol, 70%
Catalog Numbers: S75119, S75120, S556CA4
Synonyms: Ethyl Alcohol; Ethyl Hydrate; Ethyl Hydroxide; Fermentation Alcohol; Grain Alcohol; Methylcarbinol;
Molasses Alcohol; Spirits of Wine.
Company Identification:
Fisher Scientific
1 Reagent Lane
Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
For information, call: 201-796-7100
Emergency Number: 201-796-7100
For CHEMTREC assistance, call: 800-424-9300
For International CHEMTREC assistance, call: 703-527-3887
Section 2 - Composition, Information on Ingredients
CAS# Chemical Name Percent EINECS/ELINCS
64-17-5 Ethyl alcohol 70 200-578-6
7732-18-5 Water 30 231-791-2
Hazard Symbols: F
Risk Phrases: 11
Section 3 - Hazards Identification
EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
Appearance: colorless clear liquid. Flash Point: 16.6 deg C. Flammable liquid and vapor. May cause central nervous
system depression. Causes severe eye irritation. Causes respiratory tract irritation. Causes moderate skin irritation.
This substance has caused adverse reproductive and fetal effects in humans. Warning! May cause liver, kidney and
heart damage.
Target Organs: Kidneys, heart, central nervous system, liver.
Potential Health Effects
Eye: Causes severe eye irritation. May cause painful sensitization to light. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal
damage.
Skin: Causes moderate skin irritation. May cause cyanosis of the extremities.
Ingestion: May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause systemic toxicity with
acidosis. May cause central nervous system depression, characterized by excitement, followed by headache, dizziness,
drowsiness, and nausea. Advanced stages may cause collapse, unconsciousness, coma and possible death due to
respiratory failure.
Inhalation: Inhalation of high concentrations may cause central nervous system effects characterized by nausea,
headache, dizziness, unconsciousness and coma. Causes respiratory tract irritation. May cause narcotic effects in high
concentration. Vapors may cause dizziness or suffocation.
Chronic: May cause reproductive and fetal effects. Laboratory experiments have resulted in mutagenic effects. Animal
studies have reported the development of tumors. Prolonged exposure may cause liver, kidney, and heart damage.
Section 4 - First Aid Measures
Eyes: Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, occasionally lifting the upper and lower eyelids.
Get medical aid. Gently lift eyelids and flush continuously with water.
Skin: Get medical aid. Flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and
shoes. Wash clothing before reuse. Flush skin with plenty of soap and water.
Ingestion: Do NOT induce vomiting. If victim is conscious and alert, give 2-4 cupfuls of milk or water. Never give
anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical aid.
Inhalation: Remove from exposure and move to fresh air immediately. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If
breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical aid. Do NOT use mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical aid. Do NOT use mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively. Persons with skin or eye disorders or liver, kidney, chronic
respiratory diseases, or central and peripheral nervous sytem diseases may be at increased risk from exposure to this
substance.
Antidote: Replace fluid and electrolytes.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 18 2011, 11:23 AM

I mix it with Cranberry juice

Posted by: silver74insocal Mar 18 2011, 10:20 PM

thanks for all the info guys i got a little side tracked today but will be tackling it this weekend hopefully DAve

Posted by: RobW Mar 18 2011, 10:26 PM

I used goo be gone and a razor blade.... carefully.

Posted by: PH1 Mar 19 2011, 08:24 AM

QUOTE(silver74insocal @ Mar 16 2011, 07:11 PM)

i've tried nothing and i'm all out of ideas jk. goof off and brake cleaner dont even seem to dent it. is there any easy method? or just a healthy dose of elbow grease and a plastic scraper?

any help will get you much appreciation and a drank in your honor
TIA, Dave

Posted by: silver74insocal Mar 19 2011, 09:24 AM

wow thats a good question as i dont remember anything i removed referencing those marks. maybe a reference for a template used to mark/drill for the sail trim hopefully someone with actual knowledge will chime in....