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Posted by: Socalandy Mar 17 2011, 09:14 PM

Not that I'm selling today but with the -6 resto going and a one car garage it will in the near future. I hope to see it go to someone in our 914 family. A few pictures here but Im sure everyone has seen this car by now. just over 15k miles on the rebuilt 2.0 and trans.

It will be a sad day when she's gone


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Posted by: ptravnic Mar 17 2011, 09:40 PM

Pretty ride. I'm assuming it is a 2L and would guesstimate north of $10k.

-pt

Posted by: championgt1 Mar 17 2011, 09:41 PM

This car has always been one of my favs! Sorry you have to sell.

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 17 2011, 09:52 PM

I wish I had a 2 car garage so I didnt

Posted by: JRust Mar 17 2011, 09:59 PM

I feel your pain Andy. I tell you what I'll be happy to store it for you for a few years. I'll drive it occasionally to make sure all is good with it. You will be welcome to come visit anytime.

Posted by: Rand Mar 17 2011, 10:00 PM

What's your car worth? It's worth storing in my garage until you realize you really want it back. I'll take good care of it and won't let the gas get stale.



Nice car.

Posted by: Rand Mar 17 2011, 10:03 PM

Great minds think alike Jamie. Hey, I might have to work a deal with you on one of those extras you need to get rid of.

Posted by: plymouth37 Mar 17 2011, 10:52 PM

If you don't need the money store it, you will regret selling a car that pretty!

Posted by: kg6dxn Mar 17 2011, 10:56 PM

I think you should move to a two car garage OR put a cover on it and park it in the driveway.

Posted by: johannes Mar 18 2011, 06:05 AM

Worth 12 Euros ... in euroland

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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Mar 18 2011, 06:25 AM

Socalandy, Beautiful 914!!!

Don't believe those guys, it's worth $20K to $25K in today's 914 growing market. Listen to the stories of people with dissappointments looking at the $10K ot $15K market. My humble opinion.

Tom

Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 18 2011, 06:49 AM

That car should bring 15K; it is very, very nice. I would look for another house with a 3 car garage (thinking ahead).

Posted by: 6freak Mar 18 2011, 07:30 AM

Hi teens low 20`s ......very very nice machine....good luck with your six

Posted by: tod914 Mar 18 2011, 07:36 AM

Find the right buyer, I would think easily 15K on it Andy. Beautiful car and very tastefully done.

Posted by: Krieger Mar 18 2011, 07:48 AM

It was worth 16-18. In todays market 13-15. Very nice car.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Mar 18 2011, 07:57 AM

store it if you don't need the money...

can't speak for California, but here, today, I'd guess 12-14.. I'm not sure if it would be more, or less, in california...

Posted by: GeorgeRud Mar 18 2011, 07:57 AM

4 post vehicle lift for your garage, then keep the car.

It is a very nice looking car!

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Posted by: jim_hoyland Mar 18 2011, 08:27 AM

Best looking 914 in So Cal by far. Rent a garage space, keep the car. I had to rent an extra garage a block away to keep the 914 when I got the boxster.

Value ? I think it's a $20K car; the market may not be strong enough to support that price. Est of $13-$15 sound accurate given the economy and uncertainty.


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Posted by: Ferg Mar 18 2011, 09:12 AM

For the first time ever, I'm considering a yellow 914

Posted by: MDG Mar 18 2011, 09:49 AM

If you couldn't get $15k I wouldn't even consider selling. As the economy slowly rights itself collector car values will surely rise again. If you let that go for less than $15k, in a couple of years you'll not only be missing the car . . you'll also be when you start seeing cars not as nice selling for more.

my humble .02

Posted by: windforfun Mar 18 2011, 10:45 AM

Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 18 2011, 11:02 AM

What's your garage situation, I'm with the crowd that thinks a 4-post lift could work (if you had the headroom).

Other than that, $15k+ or don't sell.

It's like the 4-cyl version of Rich Johnson's car...REALLY great looking car.

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 18 2011, 11:58 AM

I have seen 2.0l cars not as nice as yours go for above $15k recently. Although they were more concours correct than yours car is. That said, if you HAVE to sell, ask over 20k. The car is too nice not to get close to that and getting it back to 100%stock would be easy if someone wanted to do it. Why they would I don't know as those wheels look perfect

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 18 2011, 04:24 PM

.... IMHO keep the 72 914 - even after the 6 is done!
+ .... if you get my drift!

Alt. #1 - Lift at home/condo - they'll run you $1800 - $3000+/- in both electric & air driven flavors, but you'll need about 11' min. clear height in your garage, from what Jeff Bolwsby & I measured for his garage as reference for my garage (you've seen mine & I'll have to raise the roof ). Let me know & I can help look your garage over if you want tomorrow, or after next week (I'll be in San Diego Sun. & back east next Wed. - Tues. following week),

PS edit - but call my cell, PM or email me since I'm not monitoring this topic.

Alt. #2 - keep the 6 at your folks house to work on, & the drivable 72 at yours - or visa versa.

Alt. #3 - Public Storage or other local Orange rental garage - or look at rent a public storage here in town as a "temp garage" - IIRC the one on N. Glassell by the Badminton Club has some for a reasonable price (for the OC market).

PS edit - You don't want to sell it now at the economic low point anyway, but will probably want to work on the -6 before the economy & 914/collector car values recover. Now my guess would be in the mid or high teens +/- ~ whereas after the economy & spending are strong again, you gen expect more like $20K & up in a couple of years as a restored & modified 72 2056 - assuming you keep the condition up & take care of the normal wear-n-tear & paint dings you've mentioned to me before.

JM2C - Tom
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Posted by: Madswede Mar 18 2011, 05:05 PM

Ouch. All I can say is, ouch. I don't wanna see you sell that car, Andy! It still is one of my favorites! If you gotta do it, though, here's hoping someone in the "family" buys it.

- Nelson

Posted by: rick 918-S Mar 18 2011, 07:02 PM

I would like to see someone here buy it but you may do better over seas. Do you own or lease? With property values at an all time low you may want to think about getting a bigger place. The equity walking in the door will likely be more in 6 years than you will get in cash for the teener today.

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 19 2011, 09:51 PM

Good point Andy - new Alt' #4!
... if you want to look in the Old Towne or nearby area, call Dan Slater & tell him I referred you, he'll find you guys a good deal. Hard part may be selling the condo, but it may move quick if priced right since the entry level priced homes/condos are what's moving now. Also, payments may be similar to what you've got now, with rates still low (unless you're refi'ed recently).

There was a couple in SF Valley in an LA Times article a few weeks back selling a 6 car garage+shop with a house attached!

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Posted by: Black22 Mar 20 2011, 01:53 PM

I can tell you exactly what that car is worth....it's worth KEEPING!

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 20 2011, 02:34 PM

If you're not planning on moving, I also agree with the 4-post lift for your garage ... and you don't need an 11' ceiling, especially if you're storing 2 'lowered' 914s on it.

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Posted by: Tom_T Mar 20 2011, 10:13 PM

Out of curiosity Mark, what height did you come up with?

We were figuring +/- 11' with my 85 E30 BMW 325e below & mildly lowered (front only) 914 above with some "cushion". since my cross joists are at 7.5' +/-, adding 4.5' or less is all the same to me, but Andy may have more workable clear height if only for 2 914s stacked.

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 20 2011, 10:29 PM

I will measure in the morning and see what I have to work with, Thanks

Posted by: euro911 Mar 21 2011, 12:05 AM

I just figured 4.5' for a stock height 914, 4" for the lift rails and another 6" of headroom (3" per car) came up to 118" (+/- 10'), so you're actually not too far off, Tom.

I've seen folks box a small area of the ceiling joists to create a raised ceiling if they needed additional headroom for the roof of a car. That should yield 6" or more inches of additional clearance depending on the height of joists (8~12" depending on the span and when the structure was built).

I haven't seen Andy's garage, yet ...

Posted by: MoveQik Mar 21 2011, 12:09 AM

Good lord Andy....if you need the money to finish the /6, then fine, sell it. Otherwise, find the space/cash to keep it. Your car is amazing. The cost of a lift would be a LOT cheaper than the beating you will take on selling it. Keep it and enjoy it and get your money out of it! Just my .02.

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Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 02:23 PM

Call me today Andy & I can shoot over this evening or tomorrow & look at what you've got structurally to work with or around. Otherwise it will be late next week when I get back, as I'm traveling back east early Wed am & return late next Tues.

Hopefully your HOA will let you do some minor stuff on the unit's garage.

Email me if you've lost my cell #.

PS - I'm around this afternoon & tomorrow afternoon too, if you get off work early.

Tom
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Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 02:50 PM

Mark, it sounds like you're in the building/design biz too!

Another variable is the height of the lift's posts, since they can be taller for units with more than a 4.5' lift, since IIRC some will lift to 6-7' clear under the lift rails, then there's the lift mechanism's override height. So it will be a process of checking various lift mfgr's. specs. for dimensions all around.

I've only seen Andy's place from the street, since he lives about a mile away & in the next complex to one of my son's High School buddies (we're both in Orange). So I can't speak to it's roof structure, but it's a 1970-80's era structure & may have prefab'ed trusses up there, which can actually be restructured at a cost/effort to open up to the rafters. We'll see!

Unfortunately I'm not so lucky with my detached 1921 garage which is only 18' w. x 17.5' d. & about 7.5' h. clr. to the horizontal tie joists below the rafters.
However, I'll need to do some major restructuring to get 3 cars into the garage & resolve roof drainage problems from it's 1920's hacked-up construction methods, since it's attached to a former farm shop building in the rear (my home office now) with an odd high/low/gable/shed/cricket roof setup that I need to rework to extend the main gable back over it, which will require me to raise the roof & insert a 3-4' h. wall section & may carry it back as a truss section over the shop in back to carry the roof & provide lateral resistance (see short side wall @ garage door below). So I may as well set it at what ht. I need.

In the pic below the door is actually only 15' w. (not normal 16') with about 12" of wall/post at each side, and about 7' clr. ht. to the header/beam above, with the rafters inside about 6" above that.

... so I need to do some more construction ....

Posted by: Ferg Mar 21 2011, 03:25 PM

My ceiling is just under 11 (10'8 IIRC) and I can stack the Mini and the 911 barely, 914's being easier.

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 03:46 PM

Sounds about right for parking them Ferg, as Jeff's garage had some "extra clearance" at 11' (but my 325 E30 is a bit taller than your Mini IIRC), and ultimately other vehicles would benefit from as much height as he can generate in there as a 2-car "stacked garage set-up" - either with it's current clear height, or by "adjusting" some of the ceiling or joist height.

I think Andy also needs head height to work on the -6 shell underneath, probably on a rotisserie at some point. I think his wife has a Jetta which may end up parked inside at some point - & who knows what cars will come along later!?

In a case such as Andy's with a 1 car garage townhouse unit, the ability to park 2 cars stacked in the garage will add value to the unit, assuming the lift were sold with it ultimately.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 21 2011, 04:00 PM

somehow I've missed the specifics for this 914.

What's have?
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Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 04:08 PM

It's the COTM from Oct/Nov 2010 or `09 IIRC Pat - a 72 full resto from shell, 2056 dual carbs, very nice looking, solid & fast runner - even if not OE/CW.

I bought Andy's Al Reid resto'd 4 lug Fuchs 2Ls for my resto, when he did a 5-lug conversion with Fuchs.



IMHO - he should just keep it!

Posted by: john grier Mar 21 2011, 07:22 PM

What am I missing here,
You have a cotm 914 that is a keeper.
You also have a 914-6 that is a keeper, but not a cotm.
This is a no brainer.
You have to keep them both!!!
Like everyone else does, storage space can be obtained when needed.
Do it and keep both.
in my humble opinion, John

Posted by: gothspeed Mar 21 2011, 07:51 PM

I need to see a nice video of this car in order to give a more accurate opinion of its worth ......

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 11:37 PM

Check the Garage forums from a few months back. He posted some of a run out Santiago Canyon & Live Oak Canyon Roads to O'Neill Park & back last Fall `10 IIRC, with his new "toy" ProCam IIRC. Coming back with the camera pointed rearwards will get you

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 21 2011, 11:39 PM

More correctly - "yet to be a COTM" on the -6, from what I've seen of Andy's handiwork!

Posted by: euro911 Mar 21 2011, 11:53 PM

I returned your PM Tom ... let me know what you guys think

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 22 2011, 09:43 AM

This is not a $$ issue but space. Of course the wife may have somthing to say about it but Im always in trouble anyways so whats a little more

I have 8' 6" to the joists, 7' to the rails for my rollup garage door
10' wide

I will give you a call Tom

Thanks

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 22 2011, 10:09 AM

Yeah - I know all about that first part all too well Andy!

PS - tell her it will ultimately add to the property value to park 2 cars in there!

The rool-up rails can be relocated up higher FYI. 10' w. should work with most lifts. We'll need to "find" another 2-3' +/- in height (need to clear the roll-up door + 2 cars).

Check your clear length inside too - then you can Google for lifts & look at what's out there & start a list with specs for L. x W. x H., power or air source requirements, weight capacity, price, S&H, assembly, etc.

We'll need to look & see what's overhead in the ceiling above the garage, and whether/what you've got above the garage (attic &/or roof only would be best).

I might be able to come over late afternoon or early evening today - otherwise I'll need to pack later for an early am flight, & we'll have to do it next Wed. or after.

Cheers!
Tom
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Posted by: AZ914 Mar 22 2011, 10:29 AM

I'll play devil's advocate...

If I had your car, but then built up an original six to the same standards as your -4, I'd probably sell the -4. I know my wife wouldn't want to drive it, I can only drive one car at a time. Plus there is the storage, the insurance, license, etc. Plus if they were sitting side-by-side in the garage, I'd take the -6.
Now if the car had another purpose, such as a dedicated track car or something like that, thats a different story.
Thats just my .02

Posted by: mepstein Mar 22 2011, 10:45 AM

Waiting 5 years for the economy to turn around while you pay storage, insurance, registration, maintainance, car lifts, possible damage, new tires, rubber seals, engine and trans seals, rust, ect. in order to hopefully make more money down the road may not be the best use of someones finances. There are better ways to make money than hoping a car will appreciate in value, let alone a 914.

(This is just me just thinking out loud, I personally think Andy's car is amazing! and he should do whatever he thinks is best for himself)

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 22 2011, 10:45 AM

Your right on the money in terms of where I'm at. Love the car and would be nice to keep it but when the -6 is done that's the one I will jump into. The -4 would not get drivin much and thats a crime!!

The Wife still wont drive it and wants a 73 VW thing anyways. this wont be an easy decision

Posted by: Tom_T Mar 22 2011, 11:25 AM

She may change her mind , and the -4 will be better to use as a DD & risk ding-damage/accidents than a restored factory -6, plus you'll probably want to drive the -4 in order to keep the -6 fresh until you win at Pebble Beach!

Things are cool too, but ......