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Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 05:02 PM

I found this on another forum I belong to. The car is a one off but the owner and builder want to start production. The car is now in West Palm Beach FL. Have a look...

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Nice!

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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 23 2011, 05:26 PM

Is this on the locost7 forum?

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 05:30 PM

That is all the photos he has posted. Here is what he has said about it....

"The customer cars we have taken orders for so far have all been for Subaru engine / trans setups, but I like the simplicity and clean look of the Type IV / 901 combo. The engine that is in the car is a mock up block with the good transmission. The engine heads need a little machine work and then the final assembly of our improved type IV engine can be shipped to me and installed here. We took what started as an inject 2.0 engine and changed it to 103mm pistons, new can, lifters, followers, deep oil sump, high volume oil pump, Weber 44 IDF dual carbs, knife edge crank, and a few other goodies... It should be good for around 150hp, and with the car weighing under 1000 pounds as it sits, it should have plenty of power for my driving ability."


"I started as a customer for the guy who does the fabrication, then we started a company to sell these cars. I don't know if we are ever going to make any money, but if I can recoup the money I spent getting the company funded I will be happy. Thanks for the compliment. With the only thing lacking is 'finishing' I think the car will look better and better as we get to the finish line."

"As far as who is building my motor, the guy that did the fabrication is an independant Porsche tech, so he is building the motor. We went with some bigger pistons, and mild engine work, so it should be pretty reliable. We are hoping for around 150hp with our 2.3 litre displacement. I am getting the heads machined locally since there aren't any shops that do that type of work close to Richmond, KY. Hopefully I can get the heads done this week, and the engine assembly should get done by the end of next weekend (fingers crossed). I have plenty of other stuff to do to finish the car here anyway, so I doubt I will be waiting on the finished engine to complete the build."

I asked if Jake was building his motor and this is his reply..

"We need to get more of the Type IV motors in these cars to quiet the swell of buyers with Subaru loyalties. I have read tons of info on Raby's site. We are using lots of SCAT parts in the engine, but the pistons and cylinders are AA performance."

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 05:31 PM

no

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I asked if I could post the pics and info here and he agreed.

Posted by: dlee6204 Mar 23 2011, 05:36 PM

It even has cup holders!



I saw it today over on TheSamba

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433798&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


http://exocars.net/showthread.php?t=5590

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 23 2011, 05:42 PM

I've seen the chassis and the making of the chassis over on the Locost 7 board(or links from it). But it was with a subaru engine IIRC (Same color frame IIRC).

Which is why I ask.

Damn nice work.. I wish I could produce (and mass produce) something to that quality.

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 06:16 PM

As you can see the engine is not complete.

Posted by: jimkelly Mar 23 2011, 06:57 PM

except for the need for a radiator - there are many reasons to build this car around a subaru powertrain.

Posted by: Randal Mar 23 2011, 06:58 PM

Your car is better looking Paul!

Posted by: nathansnathan Mar 23 2011, 07:19 PM

I wonder how they're going to direct air through the cooler. It looks like there's not room for the fan, much less the fan housing. I guess it would be upright, but that's not something that should be an afterthought. Type 4 likes to live in a sealed compartment wrapped in tin. Might be a damper on the clean look, cooling the engine

Nice though

Posted by: nathansnathan Mar 23 2011, 07:25 PM

I guess it does have the fan housing. I was looking at this one.

But the samba hd some others of the engine

Obviously at an earlier stage of development there. It does really look to be missing in the first though.

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 07:30 PM

He should run Jake's DTM fan.

Posted by: Rand Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM

I was also wondering about cooling. Being in open air instead of an engine compartment can help some, but I'm betting that thing runs hot. I've seen TIVs in custom motorcycles and figured they had a slight chance since at speed you get some airflow because it's in the wind. Behind a firewall though, it's not going to get the forced rapid-velocity airflow it needs.


I love the idea of building at Atom clone. But in true form I would be shooting for 300hp like the original. Suby or rotary would rock. Or to get really crazy with insane power.... imagine two Hyabusa engines, one driving each rear wheel. Some creative synching needed, but ooooo....

Posted by: kg6dxn Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM

It does look cool!

I'm not sure the rear wing actually helps with all the holes in the chassis.

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM

I gotta agree there.

Posted by: URY914 Mar 23 2011, 07:32 PM

That chickenshit wing needs to be up in the airflow if it is going to be doing anything.

Posted by: Rand Mar 23 2011, 07:43 PM

If the wing gets airflow at speed, it creates downforce right? I suppose the non aerodynamic chassis could create some turbulance that affects airspeed back there, but otherwise I don't see what the holes in the chassis would have to do with it?

Posted by: John Mar 23 2011, 07:47 PM

I say put a 3.6 on there and it would be a ROCKET!

Posted by: moparrob Mar 23 2011, 08:10 PM

What an amazing ride, I want to buy an "E" ticket please.

Posted by: Randal Mar 23 2011, 08:49 PM

Absolutely agree.

Knowing how 3.6's work, you could beat the bleep out of it and do it for years.

Great hill climb car with some slicks.

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Posted by: rdauenhauer Mar 24 2011, 01:46 AM

So he has a Co. & these are for sale? Bare Chassis? Complete car? Any pricing info?

Posted by: URY914 Mar 24 2011, 05:11 AM

This is the first one built so they probably trying to sort out how to sell the future ones.

Posted by: ottox914 Mar 24 2011, 05:57 AM

How about the CFR flat fan conversion kit? That would look cool. Or maybe cut a hole in the bulkhead behind the seats, mesh it over, and duct some "ram air" directly into the fan opening? Hey, its a build it your self car, do what you want!

Posted by: dflesburg Mar 24 2011, 09:22 AM

who can tell me what the rear suspension parts are from?

Posted by: Van914 Mar 24 2011, 10:07 AM

URY914,
do you have contact info for them?
Thanks
Van

Posted by: URY914 Mar 24 2011, 10:17 AM

I don't have a direct email. I would have to PM him.

Posted by: wobbletop Mar 24 2011, 10:25 AM

Pontiac Solstice, if the following thread is correct.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33104704

Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 24 2011, 10:51 AM

I had a phone consultation last week with a person who is building one of these units (or will be very soon). Looks like I'll be designing a 2316cc combo for it using my V2 DTM cooling system and our Evil Twist headers along with a "Raby Sport FIVE" transaxle.

The design has plenty of room for my V2 DTM cooling system.

I think 220HP with an RPM range to 7,800 will be a good fit for the chassis. Hell I want one!

Whats funny is these pictures showing the twin exiting exhaust system.. I KNOW that engine is losing a minimum of 20HP and tons of efficiency and tuning by not having a proper 4-1 or 4-2-1 collector. Dune Buggy mentality, gotta love it.

Posted by: iamchappy Mar 24 2011, 10:55 AM

Adding this to it would make it even more fun.


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Posted by: URY914 Mar 24 2011, 03:58 PM

I asked how much they think it will weight.....

"Our best guess is 1250-1300 pounds with all fluids but no driver / passenger. We are right around 980 as it sits. We still have to add a battery, exhaust, engine accessories (alterntaor, cooling fan and tins), fuel plumbing and pump, paint, wiring, lights, and some body trim. While I have read repeatedly that the subaru motor weighs less, I can't believe that to be true, so I am guessing the Subaru versions will be around 1500 or so."

Posted by: PeeGreen 914 Mar 24 2011, 04:13 PM

I'd rather have your car Paul

Posted by: nathansnathan Mar 24 2011, 04:27 PM

That sounds about right, in line with this site where the 2 are compared somewhat generally. They say the suby weighs about 110lbs more, 35 for the motor, 75 for the radiator. Water is heavy

http://www.funco-motorsports.com/subaru_motor.htm

Posted by: URY914 Mar 24 2011, 08:29 PM

Me too.

I look at that car and I think some of the bars could be cut out/not needed. Just seems a bit too much.

Posted by: moparrob Mar 24 2011, 08:47 PM

That is some serious engine porn right there. I've said it before and I'll say it again - your car is my favorite piece of engineering on this site. If you lived in California I'd have to make you an offer you couldn't refuse to convert my 3.0 to resemble yours...

Posted by: Rand Mar 24 2011, 08:48 PM

I agree with all of the above. Sort of.
That Atomish frame thing needs to be simplified for sure.

And as much as I lust over Paul's AX beast, I need to be able to drive it on the street. (Taking nothing away from the urymobile... just a different app)

Posted by: bigkensteele Mar 24 2011, 08:52 PM

Having driven a rail buggy before, I think that a big-ass wing on the front would be way more appropriate. Given that one was rear-engined.

Don't get me wrong - I love the looks of this thing, and I think that it would be a blast to drive. But I also think that it would be an air-tunnel disaster and the wing on the back is purely for aesthetics.

Posted by: Rand Mar 24 2011, 08:59 PM

This isn't a rail buggy. You can't just say move the wing to the front. This is a street car. The wing needs to be placed for downforce where its really needed for its application.

I'm with you on the wind tunnel. That's exactly what would be needed to stop the speculation about the wing placement.

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Mar 24 2011, 09:52 PM

The "real" Atoms don't have wings as a rule. But the few that do have them higher up in the air.

But that car looks mean as hell. Looks like a lot of fun.

Zach

Posted by: Rand Mar 24 2011, 09:56 PM

I call this the most real of them all: The Atom v8!

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 25 2011, 09:24 AM

The v8 is all wheel drive isnt it?

Posted by: Cupomeat Mar 25 2011, 09:58 AM

no, it is RWD.

Posted by: RFoulds Mar 25 2011, 10:16 AM

I guess its just me, but I dont like it. the first pics without bodywork sure make it look like a sandrail buggy with the wrong wheel and tire package.
the rails seem to have a lot less of an "exo-skeleton" look to them than the Atom.

Maybe some better body panels to cover more of the dune buggy-ish rals would help.

But, I will pass.

Posted by: turnaround89 Mar 25 2011, 01:18 PM

What they managed to do is really amazing from an engineering stand point, designing, fabricating, and building your very own car. Amazing, but the ariel atom seems to have much better "body" lines, in a way it seems to flow better.

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Posted by: Jake Raby May 1 2011, 06:38 AM

Wow!!
But PLEASE do something about that exhaust system! So much is being lost in tunability, HP and TQ without a common collector.

Posted by: RJMII May 1 2011, 07:27 AM

Up and over the transaxle with a single oval outlet?

Posted by: Jake Raby May 1 2011, 12:57 PM

I'd have to have one on site to figurebout the smartest routing for optimization.. Anything 4-1 or 4-2-1 would kick the shit out of the current arrangement.

Posted by: URY914 May 1 2011, 07:11 PM

That wing is a handy place to set your tools on while you're working on it. And if you forget and leave the tools on the wing when you are driving it, it won't really matter. No air is getting to that wing anyway....

Posted by: URY914 Jun 13 2011, 12:11 PM

The guy has it running.........

Posted by: URY914 Jun 13 2011, 12:49 PM

I would make some changes if it was mine but it looks pretty cool.

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Posted by: Cupomeat Jun 13 2011, 01:18 PM

It has "antique" plates? I guess the VIN of some poor old 914 lives on as this bastard.

Don't get me wrong, I love this monster, just amazed how so many exploit the "loop holes"

Posted by: URY914 Jun 13 2011, 03:01 PM

No, I think he pulled the plate fromanother car in his garage so he could drive it on the street.

Posted by: golftdibrad Nov 21 2011, 04:08 PM

Found this looking for rotary conversion info for this car. Small world.

Anyone ever run a radiator in the engine bay for a 13b? Looking to do a renesis but would like to keep all the hot sparky bits behind me.

Posted by: kg6dxn Nov 21 2011, 04:23 PM

many have tried... None have really succeeded...

Check out my build thread below for a turbo rotary conversion...

Posted by: shuie Nov 21 2011, 04:27 PM

Any idea what he is using for bearing carriers in the rear, or what was used as a donor for the A-Arms & the rest of the suspension? Mustang II/Pinto front? Mendeola makes a wicked front A-Arm setup like that for a Buggy/Beetle/Speedster replica folks.

Posted by: URY914 Nov 21 2011, 07:07 PM

Project Update: The owner recently posted that he has sold the car and will not be partnering with the builder/fab guy to do any more. Out of money-bad timing-etc, etc....

Posted by: racerbvd Nov 21 2011, 09:09 PM

Bummer, that thing ROCKS!!

Posted by: BKLA Nov 21 2011, 10:24 PM

Nice website, tho....

even if they aren't building any more...

http://www.matrixmotorwerks.com/Matrix_7_TR_42_.html

Posted by: golftdibrad Nov 22 2011, 04:42 PM

Thanks, will do.



Its Pontiac sky parts. The a-arms, hubs, uprights, brakes are all from the general's parts bin.



The guy that actually built the car is still doing it...
http://www.pipedreamsproto.com/

Posted by: poorsche914 Nov 22 2011, 04:54 PM

Check out what he drove when he first started out...

Posted by: golftdibrad Nov 22 2011, 04:57 PM

Yea, he works on Porches too, real nice guy. I like the concept of keeping the hot behind the driver, and the aircooled engine makes one less thing to do and go wrong, but they are so bleeding expensive to get to make good power compared to modern power plants.

Posted by: shuie Nov 22 2011, 05:03 PM

Was this built in Baton Rouge?

Posted by: golftdibrad Nov 22 2011, 05:08 PM

no, it just lives there now.

Posted by: golftdibrad Aug 1 2013, 08:40 AM

FYI I've decided to sell the car if anyone is interested.

Posted by: siverson Aug 1 2013, 10:44 PM

What forum did you find this on?

-Steve

Posted by: golftdibrad Sep 24 2013, 08:09 AM

I put the car on ebay. Lets see how this goes!

Posted by: worn Sep 24 2013, 09:46 AM

But that is the right name for it. Yeah, it may have a road suspension, but a lot is just the same. A space frame cage car built around a VW. I vote that all drivers wear big flare trousers with silk paisley shirts to set the tone. Oh, and yes, it is cool.

Posted by: golftdibrad Sep 24 2013, 10:04 AM

There are so many tubes going every which way under that thing an exahust scares me.

If i dont sell it I'll need some pics of a good 4-2-1 design though. If nothing else the thing is too loud.

Posted by: r_towle Sep 24 2013, 04:52 PM

How much?

Posted by: golftdibrad Sep 25 2013, 05:45 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-Lotus-Super-Seven-Replica-TR-42-HOT-ROD-Ariel-ATOM-inspired-/261291599171?_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&forcev4exp=true

It cold be had this week for less than 18990, but not a whole lot less.