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Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 12:51 PM

The 914/6 "rust"oration process has officially begun. I sure hope I can get out for less than $10k. Plan on some stupid CW type questions in the near future. I love pics BTW. I have some nice /4 parts to sell off to help offset the cost of this project.

Motor/tranny have been removed (many thanks to Brant, Scott, Mike and Jon for the assistance). The interior will be gutted this week. I need to remove little stuff like the fuel pump, lines, drain the tank, you get the idea. Then I get to start cutting up the parts car and stripping paint off panels to avoid spending $45/hour for body shop labor.

As Rich says, "onward..."

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1118&hl=turbo,and,valve,and,cover&st=20

Posted by: Ferg Apr 14 2003, 01:10 PM

U R Welcome Mike. I learned a lot and had fun helping (mostly watching, and holding the engine lid up, ) . Just invite me over when the sawing begins, call me sick, but I wanna see that.
Ferg.

Posted by: krk Apr 14 2003, 01:28 PM

Mike,

I'll shoot pics of any part of my /6 anytime you like. Just let me know.

Best of luck with your project!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 07:05 PM

Thanks Kim.

Let's start out. Do you have any decent pictures of the underside of the floor pans where they meet up (and are attached) to the longs? This car actually looks like it might have had a floor pan replacement at some point. I can't explain it any better than that without pics (after tomorrow's scheduled showers) when I get the car back up on jackstands.

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 07:06 PM

See it? You can DO it. Any plans for next Saturday?

Posted by: krk Apr 14 2003, 07:29 PM

Mike,

Post a pic. (I'm not quite sure from your description what you need) I'll post an equivalent one. (long as I don't have to use my new sawzall first. lol)

kim.

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 07:39 PM

Won't be able to do it for a few days. The car is outside now, and as soon as I put it on jackstands the code enforcement Betty is gonna be all over me...

Posted by: krk Apr 14 2003, 07:44 PM

"Go Betty!" -- sounds like fun ;-)

The other way to do it is like a graphics program. Eye point and direction. For example: "with the front on jack stands, the camera behind the left front wheel, aimed at center of the engine". or some such thing.

kim.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 14 2003, 08:15 PM

Mike.

I dont want to steal Kims pics... but I have the 6 here with perfect pans and its all clean. I can shoot them tomorrow morning for you. I'll show you how the pans go on the car.

B

Posted by: krk Apr 14 2003, 08:18 PM

Brad,

Steal away dude! I'd have to go outside to shoot mine!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 08:22 PM

I don't think Kim or I will care Brad. I'll take all the help I can get.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 14 2003, 08:25 PM

Mike,

what the shops normally do: they cut away the old ones and leave a 1/2 inch lip all the way around and weld the new ones to that. Then they lay in some seam sealer and it all looks normal when they are done.

B

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 08:29 PM

That's the description I was trying to come up with. That's about what it looks like.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 14 2003, 08:42 PM

Shoot a pic when you can. I cant imagine a shop from this area doing a bad job on the floorpans. Most of the shops have lots of experience doing the install.

Look for welds on the sides of the center tunnel. The center tunnel sits on the floorpans with a half inch lip running the full length of the tunnel. They weld the floors to that lip. This is normally covered with the tar paper. Spot welds will be clean... mig weld will be obvious.


B

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2003, 10:02 PM

I hope to get started removing the interior tomorrow afternoon. I'll get pics of what I find.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 08:35 PM

You know, while I was out poking at rust and taking pictures before the rain started, I thought I might as well post the pics here. So if you guys don't mind, I think I'll just use this very space to document the progress of this small task over the next few months. It'll save me the trouble of making web pages.

Pics too follow....

(I really like the dancin' drivin' banana)

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 08:50 PM

Let's start with a nice "before the moron" pic

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 08:51 PM

Post moron

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 08:53 PM

Another view (look at that sticker on the spare)

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 08:55 PM

This was after I removed the backpad and mat.

Posted by: seanery Apr 15 2003, 09:06 PM

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

Mike,

Whats that cut/crease 2/3 down on the firewall?

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:07 PM

A little surface rust in this channel. Not entirely certain what it's purpose is.

They all have it though. The donor-mobile has the same seam, but it's covered in seam sealer.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:09 PM

Again, I'm not really sure what it's for.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:10 PM

The seats and backpad. These will be stored for future resale. I'm going to use the cherry backpad and seats from the donor car.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:12 PM

Another spot of knarly surface rust on the firewall.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:13 PM

See that crack on thje floor pan and the hole in the middle of it?

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:15 PM

That's concrete you can see through the hole.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:17 PM

I almost forgot to show this pic. The worst of it. That rust continues up the console and under the battery tray.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:19 PM

Passenger side rear corner. There is actually a hole or two you can't see in the pic.

I'm alomost done with today's pics. Stay tuned...

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:21 PM

Aha! Now we can see some previous shoddy repair.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:23 PM

Another daylight sighting from interior panels. This is the passenger seat belt mounting hole at the "repaired" section

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:24 PM

Although the rust stops at the cross brace on the passenger side, this is the driver's side in front on the brace. That's a rusty hole that's coming apart.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:32 PM

Post engine/trans removal. That's the donor-mobile in the background.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:34 PM

This could be a problem. Right side upper bolt hole. Can you weld these cases?


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Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 09:35 PM

Another view.

Last pic for today. More tomorrow.


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Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 15 2003, 09:52 PM

Most of the rust looks fixable, a real pain but it can be done. I am sure the tranny can be welded back up.
Nice shop!! Almost as clean as Brad Anders!
Geoff

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 10:02 PM

Thanks Geoff. It's not that nice though. Close up, it's a pit. Waaay too much crap, and not even close to Brad's.

Wait till I get decent pics tomorrow of the "replacement" panel someone riveted to the side of the engine compartment behind the battery tray all the way down to the long that's rusty, bent and full of holes.

Here's a http://members.rennlist.com/gman/porsche/914-6/rust/ I had already taken.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 15 2003, 10:18 PM

It's still way less rusty than the 70 car I cut up. Saveable but lots of work.
Geoff

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 15 2003, 10:29 PM

Gotta love those rust-free California cars!

Still, I think I'd be more tempted to deck the moron what flattened your quarter panel than anything else.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2003, 10:50 PM

Oh I was tempted all right. But the flip side is the quarter was going to take some cutting to do the rust repair anyway, so his insurance company is footing a portion of the bill.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 15 2003, 11:43 PM

It appears that we FUCKED UP when we told you to buy that car. Dean Vanney knows these cars forwards and backwards and should have known this thing had cancer...bad.

I feel bad.

On the flip side.... the silver six you and Brant went and looked at for my friend Doug.... somebody did some rust repair in the right side frame rail and placed a flat piece if steel over the repairs that sits flush with the engine shelf... NICE.


I'm now pissed OFF.

B

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:54 AM

Didn't mean to piss you off Brad. I'll live though. I knew the car had rust. Not blaming anybody else.

I didn't see that piece you're talking about on Doug's car. But then I never lifted the car to get my head that far underneath. Is it under the engine shelf?

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 16 2003, 09:44 AM

Eh, I think Ginter was due for a nice year-long project.

Keep the pictures coming, please. I want to see how some of that deep rust is taken care of.

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 09:52 AM

Why? Multiple projects for months at a time in some cases aren't enough? When this car is done, I'm going back to stuff like extending my deck and finishing my garage. I'm swearin off cars for a while.

I'll get pics, but the body shop is an hour across town, so there will be gaps.

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Apr 16 2003, 09:52 AM

Damn, Mike.

I looked at your pictures. That's very discouraging.

I recommend that you call Mayeur and get a set of his longitudinal stiffening kits. Install the braces on both sides to keep the car even.

Sorry,
Rusty

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 09:54 AM

Thanks Lawrence. Dunno about any chassis (or just long) stiffening kits at this point. I have a month of stripping this car and the donor to look forward to before I can even get to that point.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 16 2003, 11:55 AM

No need for lift to see this. Its directly below where the battery tray should be. Nicely concealed with the trunk paint. I'll shoot some pics today. Busy answering the friggin phone all day yesterday.


B

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 01:13 PM

I was just instructed by someone at SSI to call you on your cell phone and NOT the company phone. Don't you own the joint?

Posted by: silver six Apr 16 2003, 04:18 PM

Yeah, the guy who answers the phone at SSI is not that friendly. In need of a girlfriend maybe.

So Brad and Ginter,

I think you guys did a great job checking out the silver 6 in Colorado for me. The only rust I can find is superficial and not structural. The brakes kick ass, the body panes are fairly straight (discribed like Ginter said and in good shape for a 33 year old car), the cooling system is more than sufficient (it hardly ever leaks oil) and the drive train is in excellent shape. The engine is a piece of art, and the intake and exhaust makes the coolest sounds I've ever heard a car make. It's geared high, but that's only because it's stock. And at least partially due to the high gearing, I've already kicked the shit out of a vet one night on the 280 without ever shifting out of 5th. Imagine 70 mph (already at 4000 rpm) to 120 mph pushing you hard in to the back of the seat. So I'm really happy with the car and I think you guys deserve props.

To top it off I hardly knew you guys and you were willing to do all this legwork for free. That's an amazing testiment to the 914 community and especially the group of people here on 914club.

As far as the right side long, we don't know at this time that there's any structural rust under the metal engine shelf plate and the PO specifically said he repaired that area. I can detect no sag and my superficial inspection found no rust. So there's no need at this time to jump to conclusions. If there's no significant structural rust (and there probably isn't) then its no harm no foul.

Douglas

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 16 2003, 04:22 PM

We get hammered daily 20-30 times (no joke) with Kaiser Permante calls since they changed their number.

This has gone on for 9 months now... you would be a little pissy trying to answer the phone all day also.

This place is big... so trying to answer the phone every day 60 some odd times between 2 people gets real OLD when half of them are not for us. Just call my cell.


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 16 2003, 04:27 PM

Oh.. Mike..

I dont own shit. The deal wont be complete for 2 years (buyout period)

B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 16 2003, 04:28 PM

And Doug...

Your brakes suck. Nice calipers, but I think the bias valve is toast. Our 4 cyl cars have better brakes...LOL. I'll look into it.

B

Posted by: Mueller Apr 16 2003, 04:34 PM

I thought Mike knew of the rust on the /6.....now I did recommend that he not buy the 911...too much work for the money and transportation logistics


I wonder if those yellow wheels have surfaced somewhere??

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:01 PM

Where to start.

Douglas:

That's worth the purchase price all by itself.



I went back and looked at the pics that the PO had sent you. That side engine shelf looked immaculate (although not stock) in the pics. In retrospect, I probably didn't even give it a second glance when I looked at the car. I was really looking for rust more than anything else. And that whole floorpan thing...


Brad:


Don't blame him a bit. Although a girlfriend might help....

Mueller:


I did indeed. I didn't realize that it was this bad, but I blame no one. I knew it, I bought it. Can't wait to get it back on the road again all shiny and solid.

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:05 PM

Now, where was I?

Good news! The front trunk and fuel tank area are in really good shape. A tiny bit of surface rust here and there, but certainly no major deal at all.

This car had an underbody sway bar at one time. I'll have to patch those holes.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:05 PM

Tank area passenger

There is some VERY minor surface rust in here. It may not be rust at all, but the paint looks kinda shabby. I'm not sure if I'll mess with the tank area, but a good cleaning, prep and maybe some POR15. I don't know yet until I get everything out of there.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:06 PM

Tank area Driver's side


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:07 PM

Seal channel surface rust, no biggie.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:09 PM

Where'd that pic go?


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 06:11 PM

Inside of the tank looks fantastic. Hard to tell with this pic, but no rust at all.

Gotta get back to work now...


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 08:37 PM

I wussed and quit early today. Here's a nice shot of the riveted patch panel behind the battery tray.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 08:38 PM

And the engine tray....


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Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2003, 08:39 PM

Another view


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Posted by: brant Apr 16 2003, 08:49 PM

Douglas,

now I feel bad...
I didn't make it over to get a close look at the silver car...

I had only seen it at the track and didn't crawl around on it...

It held its own at the track and I talked to the guy who seemed like a decent guy...

sorry about the rust..

MIKE,
nice pictures....

brant

Posted by: Gint Apr 17 2003, 07:46 AM

watts:

It will be taken care of with a complete quarter panel. Including the trunk wall, the entire rear long and inner fender and engine shelf up through the firewall and into the cockpit with a portion of the floor pan.

Posted by: silver six Apr 17 2003, 01:20 PM

[QUOTE]

Just to clarify, no one should feel bad. There is no structural rust I am aware of. Brad, can you confirm? In any case, I appreciate your help in the purchase, Brant. There's no way I could have made it out to Colorado and, as I've said, I'm happy with the car.

Brad,

So the rear brakes lock up, right? So my brakes suck, but you can make them rule. Thanks for looking into it.

And, Ginter,

Interesting photos. Can't wait to see the progress.

Douglas

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 17 2003, 01:46 PM

So, Mike, what are we seeing here with the paint? It looks like an orange re-spray over red paint or just a weird camera side effect.

Posted by: Gint Apr 17 2003, 02:13 PM

It's just wierd light. The car did receive a paint job sometime in it's life in the original color (although it appears to be laquer). They only painted the outside of the car. Jambs and trunks are all still factory paint.

Near as I can tell anyway....

Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2003, 08:49 PM

Damn I love tools. The right tool makes all the difference. I was chipping away at undercoating, paint and rust with a putty knife. I went to the unmolested donor car and realized that I was hacking away at seam sealer. I remembered a Pelican post where the guy used a large wire cup brush. Quick trip to Ace. Worked like a champ.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2003, 08:50 PM

Took the crap right off.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2003, 08:51 PM

This is the plug on the driver's side front floor pan I showed in a previous pic from the inside of the car.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2003, 08:52 PM

Near the left rear donut.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2003, 08:53 PM

This is the unmolested donor car.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 06:11 PM

Right side floorpan exploratory today. This is ugly.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 06:12 PM

More...


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Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 06:13 PM

The pan isn't all bad though. Here's the center section where it meets the firewall.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 06:14 PM

The damaged right rear quarter had some bondo in it.


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Posted by: krk Apr 19 2003, 09:21 PM

Dude,

You are taking names. I managed to get a little done on the boxes in my yard. Mr. Yellow runs again -- now we move back to the silver one. I'm doing puppy stuff in this context tho. Keep it up! (we all need motivation :-)

kim.

Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 10:38 PM

Thanks Kim. I'm not getting as much done as fast as I'd like to though. I really need to get movin. My wife's family is coming over tomorrow. And I'm heading over to the track for a couple of hours for the first PCA track event. Lots of rain today. I really ought to get my in-laws to help me push the car up the driveway and back into the garage.

Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 10:49 PM

Got the engine on the stand today. 2 liters (2.2? Nobody knows for sure) and 6 cylinders of screamin Porsche power. I'm addicted to the sound. Can't wait to hear it again.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 19 2003, 10:51 PM

The $60 ebay engine stand bracket set I bought worked out pretty well. I wasn't thrilled about the fact that the clutch had to be removed to utilize it, but it's still much better than $200+ for the standard types all the vendors sell for these motors.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 22 2003, 08:21 PM

After 10 hours a day at work I'm having a really hard time motivating myself to "scrape" a car.

Posted by: seanery Apr 22 2003, 08:28 PM

just find the guys that did the right rear and have em do the rest

Posted by: Gint Apr 22 2003, 08:41 PM

I could probably hire 'em pretty cheap. There is that one problem though. No habla espanol.

Posted by: shoguneagle Apr 26 2003, 10:03 AM

I have been tracking your project. I like to think positive: "You have a very enjoyable project in restoring a car, and you will know what you have in detail when you are done. The joy comes when the project is finished and you stand back with that cold beer looking everything over; an impish grin ttugs at your mouth as deep satisfaction settles in; MAN, THAT COLD BEER IS GOOD".

Steve Hurt

Posted by: Gint Apr 26 2003, 11:20 AM

Thanks for the encoutragement Steve. I'll be back out there in a few minutes scraping, brushing, gringing, etc...

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 26 2003, 11:30 AM

darn, i wish we were closer. i've got a very nice fender that you need still on car that you could cut off and have for a song. (something by pink floyd). i would think you'd be time and money ahead going that route. i'll read the rest of the posts now and see how bad it gets.

kevin

Posted by: Gint Apr 26 2003, 11:45 AM

I have a parts car that will provide all of the panels I need. Nearly rust free.


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Posted by: shoguneagle Apr 26 2003, 06:03 PM

That cold beer sounded so good that I even went out and got one to see how enjoyable it was. IT WAS GOOD!! Wish I lived in Colorado so I could help you. I even went out to the garage and uncovered my 914-8 (sounds impressive, but it was in approximately the same shape as yours, only it had been in a fire burn; I have protected it for fifteen plus years). Now I am taking out the v-8 and making a 2.7 runner; everything totally Porsche

Your parts car looks great and it will all blend together .

I think we should take bets on when you will finish it; I will buy you a six pack if you make me the winner. Seriously, when you get it done in your own time frame, I will buy you a six pack so you can enjoy the deep feeling of satisfaction.

I will watch your resto with great interest.

Steve Hurt

Posted by: Gint Apr 26 2003, 07:40 PM

Thanks Steve. I'm really hoping to have it back on the road by the end of August at least. Sooner would be better.

I didn't get a lot done today, but half of the floorpan tar has been scraped off. A lot of time today was burned up removing this sheet someone riveted and bondo'd under the right side engine shelf. I didn't have to do this since this section of the car will be cut off and replaced anyway, but curiousity was killin' me.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 26 2003, 07:43 PM

This is the after pic. It's also a fine example of how NOT to perform rust repair an original 914/6. A repair of this nature will gaurantee you DPO status and really piss off the CO.

Posted by: Gint Apr 26 2003, 07:45 PM

OK, so I had a beer during the course of the work. And now the cheap wine is kickin in. Let's try this again.


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 27 2003, 01:36 AM

What are you putting Rotella in ??? Does it really get that cold in CO. ??

B

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 07:52 AM

Nothin. That's the box the FLAPS gave me when I was buying all the gaskets, oil and tranny fluid for the truck motor swap a month ago. Now it contains the /6 carbs, linkage, fuel pump, filters and lines.

I need more room.

Posted by: seanery Apr 27 2003, 10:17 AM

speaking of cold, I flew into Denver on Friday and was surprised at how much snow was still on the ground. Not just the mountains either!

Damn, it's nice to live in a tropical climate like Indy!!!

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Apr 27 2003, 11:37 AM

Mike,

Nice engine stand. eBay special? One time, or a repeating offer?

Oh... when I've had motors out of my 914/4s, I usually ask a couple of folks to help lift them up onto a workbench. How do you get that /6 engine up on the stand?

Yeah... bondo sucks. But it's a fact of life in today's body work industry: "generally straigten and bondo" or "replace the panel" is often the only two courses of action production body shops use.

-Rusty

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 06:54 PM

That was fresh snow. It rained most of the week over most of town, but some southeast areas got a good bit of snow.

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 06:59 PM

The engine stand was a FLAPS special. The brackets for mounting an air coled motor (Porsche or VW) came from ebay. Guy does "Buy it now" only for like $54 or $56 bucks. I can dig up en email if you want me to.


Cherry picker onto my lift. It sat there for a few days. From there I mounted the brackets to the motor, then lifted the stand and bolted it onto the brakets, and then lowered the lift.

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Apr 27 2003, 07:02 PM

I'd like to see that someday... when you decide to put the motor back down (I assume you'll use the same method). Would you document how/where you hook everything up?

-Rusty

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 08:05 PM

No way. The cherry picker part wasn't pretty. Brant warned me, but I insisted. I will do the same thing again, but I'm going to weld up a bracket of sorts to bolt to my V8 manifold lift plate. It should look something like the http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/Tools_folder/Engine_Lift_Bar2.JPG that Pelican sells. I won't need the lift at that point. I can use the cherry picker to lift the motor/stand, and then just unbolt the stand.

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 08:49 PM

Look Ma, no tar.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 08:51 PM

Lotsa holes though.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 08:52 PM

Plenty of general surface rust too.


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Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Apr 27 2003, 08:55 PM

Are you going to reinforce the clutch tube, as long as you're in there?

-Rusty

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 27 2003, 09:01 PM

BAHAHAHAHA. Famous last words.

Does the /6 have undercoating that you plan on removing? If so you can try killing two birds with one stone and have someone scrape the bottom side as you heat and scrape the inside of the floor pan.

My personal weapon in avoiding DPO status is to bury my mistakes or blame them on the PDPO.

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 09:03 PM

Probably.

It looks like somebody might have been there already. From the underside of the pan directly under the tunnel and just at the front of the shifter are a couple of bumps that look like weld spots from the inside. Which is kind of a scary thought after seeing the rest of the "repairs".

Posted by: Gint Apr 27 2003, 09:07 PM

I'm not doing a CW resto. This car is and will remain a driver.


Yup. But the tar has already been removed. The stuff on the bottom comes off really easy with 4.5" GRINDER and a big cup brush. I'm going to wait until the car is in the shop and on the rotisserie to finsh the underside.


This could very well have been the work of the PDPO. Who knows? Who cares. It's crap, that's for sure. But whata ya gonna do?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1769&st=0#entry22585

Posted by: Gint May 9 2003, 11:04 PM

I spent most of this week stripping more stuff off of the donor. It's a real PITA dismantling a car that you want to keep all of the parts off of and in good shape. Ferg came over yesterday evening to help cut off the right rear quarter. The large pics got corrupted, but here's a couple of small shots.

Thanks Ferg!


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Posted by: Gint May 9 2003, 11:05 PM

Inner quarter


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Posted by: Gint May 9 2003, 11:08 PM

The donor is getting light.


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Posted by: rhodyguy May 10 2003, 07:30 AM

was the donor car a terminal cancer case before you decided to cut it up? something nobody seems to save. the little plastic tubes that cover the wire holding prongs. i soaked a bunch in oil eater (costco item, cheap and works well). microwaved them in water, after rincing. leave them in the hot water, go out to the car and put them on one at a time. they are maliable and can be shaped to near original form.

kevin

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 May 10 2003, 07:35 AM

The donor car was an accident victim.

Posted by: rhodyguy May 10 2003, 07:45 AM

rusty, divemaster as in scuba? i have to ask, where the hell do you scuba dive in kansas aside from a pool and a few lakes?

kevin

Posted by: Gint May 10 2003, 11:04 PM

I haven't seen this much garage floor on this side for over a year. Well, unless I was on ny back under a tub.



Nice front trunk pan



The "new" quarter for the /6



The remains



Rear



Front



Rear floor



Tomorrow I'll be stripping the quarter.

Posted by: krk May 10 2003, 11:08 PM

Mike,

1) It's evil that you are hacking up a silver car.

2) this is childish, but you missed a headlight. (and the motor, and the cover)

3) I have to work on my car tomorrow -- I figure if I do 8 - 10 % of what you are up to, I won't have to hide my head.

4) Can't wait to see the results!

kim.

Posted by: ChrisReale May 10 2003, 11:11 PM

Korijo might be able to use both of those seat mount brackets, if you are up to cutting them off.

Posted by: Gint May 10 2003, 11:16 PM

Kim,

If I had known then what I know now, I probably would have spent all the money and had it fixed. Live and learn. But - the silver car will be a part of mine and several others for a long time to come. The rear apron and trunk floor is on a very nice car in Canada somewhere. The rest of the trunk floor will be in Eric Shea's GT replica in Salt Lake. Various small parts are on cars all over the country. And more parts will go out to help keep other teeners on the road.

Chris,

I'm going to use them on my /6. I'm updating the seats and backpad.

Posted by: krk May 10 2003, 11:28 PM

Mike,

I'm sure you know I'm messing with ya. Silver is my color for some reason. Of course, you've touched my cdn soft spot -- we'll gloss over that :-) -- but shipping rust free materials up north is a good thing! Some cars have to come apart to supply the needs of other sponsored cars. it's a good thing!

I'm currently hunting for the pics when you picked her up, 'cause I think it always helps to see the "good" that you (and the rest of us) are going after.

Rock on!

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 10 2003, 11:36 PM

I know.

I saved those pics somewhere, but I couldn't find them if I had to. If you come across them, please post them here. OPne of those pics was my favorite shot of the car.

Posted by: krk May 11 2003, 12:03 AM

Mike,

I'll have the pics out of the archive tomorrow somehow (can't believe I can't just pick them out of the air -- after all, one of my cars is in a couple of 'em :-)

But that's for tomorrow -- btw, being ex-cdn means that your version of snow is not exactly intimidating to me

Of course no saturday is complete without ---



on the morrow.

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 11 2003, 12:09 AM

I'm sure of that. What was significant was the date of this particular snow. It's not unheard of, but it's usually much less. On the up side, it was a beautiful sunny afternoon. The snow is just a memory now. Tomorrow will be a fine day for stripping paint.

See Ya.

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 May 11 2003, 08:53 AM

The canadian dollar? ;-)

Ducking for cover,
Rusty

Posted by: krk May 11 2003, 10:14 AM

Dude, you may have hit your head when ducking!

The us buck has sunk noticeably over the last several months -- most noticable against the euro -- I was over last summer and the euro was at something like 98 cents. Last week it was at 1.12 or so. The cnd buck has move up 5 or 6 cents as well -- it's moved enough to worry economists as a high cdn dollar hurst the export business and that's a pretty big chunk of the cdn economy. (I actually prefer it low, 'cause I get paid in US buck -- well at least when I work -- and it makes family trips home sort of shopping heaven :-)



kim.

Posted by: ThinAir914 May 11 2003, 10:59 AM

Mike -

As you go through the project on the rear quarter panel, I'd love to see more pictures of how you take the donor apart and put the panels onto the 6. I've got a 72 that is gonna need a right-rear quarter and I want to remove the old one in the cleanest way possible so seeing your process will be very helpful.

Also, what is the recommended treatment for body panels once you've got them down to bare metal. If you leave them bare, they'll likely get sureface rust before the body shop even gets to them. Is there something that is recommended to temporarily protect them from this?

My project is really small compared to what you are up against, but I really appreciate all the pictures so that we can all learn from this.

Posted by: Gint May 11 2003, 12:36 PM

Nuts. Paint stripper, wire brush on the grinder, sanding, whatever. Stripping paint this way is waaaaaay too much labor. It's stooopid. There's a Din N Strip in town. It's that or media blasting for this quarter. It just isn't worth it.

That was the biggest reason why I started this thread and maintain it with pics and progress. If you have specific Q's, don't hesitate to ask. I can take pics at a moments notice.


Despite those snow pictures yesterday, Denver is a very dry climate. Flash rust doesn't happen real fast. But, to answer your question, a quick shot of primer after a days work removing paint will take care of that. I'm sure those that know a better method will share it with us. The stripping companies that I've seen or heard of shoot primer on the stripped part as soon as it comes out of the last rinse tank and is dried. I'll be sure to persue that option.

Update 5/19 - My body work guy said he has an acid wash that will remove any flash rust (and any thing else for that matter) that he uses prior to paint.



This project is more than my skills alone at this point can handle. A professional will be doing all of the metal/body work, and it will be farmed out from there for paint. I'm trying to do everything I can (grunt work) to avoid paying $45/hour to have him do it. He told me I could come over and do more grunt work while the car is in his shop to save myself some $$$. That will give me further opportunities to take pics. He's an hour across town though, so I will only be over there a couple of times a week.

My goal is to get all of the rust repaired properly. That is the utmost priority. The surface rust that is bubbling up on the left side of the car in spots will be repaired also. So I'm committed to a full exterior repaint as well. I don't think I'm going to pop for engine compartment, trunks, underside of floor pans to be painted. Only the exterior and the bare metal form the new quarter. That may change, we'll have to see after I get a professional looking over the car removing rust, etc... and we have a better idea of all the work that's going to be required.

I'd like to paint the floorpans under the car and inside the cockpit, the inner firewall, front trunk floor, etc... with POR 15 and topcoat with matched paint obtained when the car is being painted professionally (alternatively POR15 has an orange rock resistant top coat). I can do that myself after the car comes back. I need for this work to hold up over time, because I'm *NOT* building a garage queen.

Posted by: krk May 11 2003, 01:47 PM

Mike,

This is the first pic -- it was after lunch. I think you were heading over for gas, and was about to take the 101 south onramp.

kim.


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Posted by: krk May 11 2003, 01:48 PM

Mike 'n' Mike,

This was at the lunch stop.

kim.


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Posted by: Gint May 11 2003, 04:49 PM

Thanks Kim!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=1902&st=0&#entry24312

Posted by: Gint May 12 2003, 08:00 PM

The more I get done on this project, the more I have to do. It looks like bondo OVER the factory paint.


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Posted by: krk May 12 2003, 08:20 PM

Dude,

These are 30 year old cars. I'm guessing we all encounter surprises when digging underneath.

(I do agree that it is... er.. "intersting" that the bondo is on *top* of the original paint. It's hard to say much positive about the quality of some of the work done on some these cars. Personally, I think the work you are doing is cool -- another one is getting a better-than-average shot at lasting another 30 years)

Keep those pics coming -- others are using them to give their rides a fighting chance!

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 12 2003, 08:49 PM

I know. It's frustrating though to find more work around every corner.

Posted by: krk May 12 2003, 09:06 PM

Mike,

I'm with you on the frustration. Worse, untill you go around every corner, you can say for sure that you won't find somethihg ... er... "interesting". (believe me, it's happening here too) But you've got around most of the corners that there are, and while there may be other "bings" along the way, there just isn't too many new opportunities to drive you crazy -- (shallow conselation, I know)

But the car looked great in the "day one pics" and it will ROCK on completion.

And we'll all get something out of your travel. And that always deserves "thanks",
and even more, it deserves --

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 12 2003, 09:14 PM

Thanks for the encouragement Kim. I do appreciate it.

Posted by: Gint May 16 2003, 10:59 PM

It looks like a marathon weekend ahead for me. The plan is to have the car to the shop next Saturday. Body guy says (as I expected and planned to do anyway) that the bondo has to come out. I asked him how he was going to fix all of the thin wavy panels. "Oh I'll metal work 'em." This guy is old school. I've seen a steel top he made for a 32 street rod, out of flat sheet stock. Nice. I shudder to think what it's going to cost me. The replacement quarter, front and rear lids all were dropped off at the stripper today.

The car is on the trailer and ready for the car wash tomorrow (early). Once I get the engine bay and inner fender wells cleaned up, the oil tank, bumpers, lights etc... will all be removed. Then the paint stripping really begins. I hope to have the exterior panels down to bare metal (or very nearly complete) by Sunday evening.


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Posted by: Gint May 17 2003, 09:47 PM

Oil tank is out. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2049



All of the oil from the tank preserved this quarter pretty well. Oil leaks do serve a purpose sometimes.



I almost hate to remove the sail panel vinyl. Oh well, it's gotta go.



From the looks of this trim piece and the paint on the bottom of it from the poor mask job at the previous repaint, I think the vinyl is original to the car.



All of that rust in the right quarter, but yet the rear trunk still holds water. This was an hour after I got back from the car wash.



Tons of bondo over the factory paint. I'll be sanding for a long time.



I could have fixed the very small bend in the lip that someone bondoed over. There's is well over 1.8" of the stuff on this lip.



Tomorrow's another day.

Posted by: Gint May 18 2003, 05:47 PM

Before - Still looks kinda purty....



If you think that bubbly rust is not going to be a big deal...



Here's the after shot



This spot looked just like the last one before paint removal



After -




Tools of the trade



Looks like I can get the car to the shop a week from Tuesday (first business day after Memorial weekend). That should give me time to finish up with parts and glass removal and do the finish/detail sanding. I'm going to take my wife out to dinner now. I'm beat. And burnt.

Posted by: krk May 18 2003, 06:04 PM

Mike,

This car is going to turn out awesome. No kidding. The ground work you are doing is the ugly necessary bit. Your perserverance will be worth it. The work you are doing looks really good. (kill that rust deamon! )

I can't wati to see it again!

kim.

ps. get a new fuel pump.

Posted by: Gint May 18 2003, 07:26 PM

Thanks Kim. I'll be able to breath easier when it get to the shop. I'll probably still put in 20 hours a week on it when it's at the metal shop. Once it goes for paint (seperate shops), I'm off the hook for labor until it's finished. Then I get to put it all back together. That will probably take twice as long as it took to take it apart. I think I'll move the schedule out. I'll be happy if I can do some Fall driving.

Did you mean for me to get a fuel pump, or you got a fuel pump? Car running again? Out looking for vandals?

Posted by: ThinAir914 May 18 2003, 09:57 PM

If you are looking for a "new" fuel pump - I've got the one that didn't work for my project. It looks just like a 4 cyl FI pump, but only puts out 5-10 psi. Mike suggested that it might be a 6 cyl pump, but I haven't been able to match the numbers to anything.

Posted by: SirAndy May 18 2003, 10:46 PM

Ernie,
maybe i missed it, but what are the numbers on that fuel-pump in question ?

Andy

Posted by: ThinAir914 May 18 2003, 10:59 PM

0580960009

Ginter's got first dibs on it if he wants it.

Posted by: Gint May 19 2003, 10:22 AM

I talked with my body work guy again this morning. He's been delayed a bit which is great for me. It will give me more time to get the grunt work done. The car won't go into the shop until at least next week (after Memorial weekend) and maybe a bit later.

BTW - This guy deserves a plug. Steve Lindholm of S.L. Carrozzeria, 3135 E. Birch Ave. Parker CO. 80134 - 303-840-2140 If you are in or near the Denver Metro area and need quality work, I highly recommend him. He hasn't done any work on my car yet, but he came over to my house and looked at my web pics in order to do the estimate for the insurance claim after the moron swiped my right rear quarter. He used to be an insurance claims adjuster so he knows the game. I talk to him almost every week asking questions and picking his brain while stripping my car to prep for the work. He's always been extremely helpful and courteous. He's even willing to let me come and do work on the car in his shop. I hope to learn a lot in doing so. I've seen his work and it's fantastic. Top notch old school metal worker/panel beater.

Posted by: brant May 19 2003, 10:26 AM

Mike,

wow.. you had a very productive weekend. Looks really nice.
I hope to come over and see it in person before it goes in.

keep up the good work
brant

Posted by: Gint May 19 2003, 10:29 AM

You're always welcome to come by. I don't get out much since starting this project. Rich and Joy are due in this Sunday. Maybe Sunday evening or late afternoon we might be able to make a git-together out of it. I'll post something to the local list when I have more info.

Posted by: jfort May 19 2003, 02:28 PM

I am really enjoying monitoring your progress. Great pictures. Keep us posted. When I have to do this kind of work, I'll know who to ask.

Posted by: Gint May 19 2003, 03:28 PM

That's the beauty of this medium. A simple search for a thread with info and pics in it could answer your questions without you even having to ask.

It will be awhile before I can do this. In the meantime I do this:

Posted by: krk May 19 2003, 08:00 PM

Nah. I was just whining about my frikk'n fuel pump. No, the car ain't running yet -- I just took care of the fuel leak. (I'm still completing the house project from the weekend -- seems being without a bathroom for too long gets people goin'!) After that, I go after the rest.

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 20 2003, 10:24 PM

Good news, bad news today.

Good - I dropped the truck off tonight for the trailer brake controller install tomorrow.

Bad - Wife's Mommy wagon sounds like she's managed to go through yet another set of brake pads.

Good - Cowl appears to be decent. A tiny bit of surface rust in the windshield corners, but that's easy to take care of. Caught it soon enough.

Bad - The drivers door has a hole in it and some rust.

Good - I still have a pair of cherry doors from the 72 door mobile

Bad - If I use the other doors, I'll have to do a full repaint to change the color.


(Sorry about the Andy pic. This was a tough shot given the conditions)


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Posted by: Gint May 20 2003, 10:28 PM

Passenger side WS


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Posted by: Gint May 20 2003, 10:29 PM

Driver side WS


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Posted by: Gint May 23 2003, 08:26 PM

Reference pics:

Posted by: Gint May 23 2003, 08:28 PM

Some very creative repairs on this car. This is the front trunk front seal channel.

(It's supposed to be spot welded like everything else)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2205

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2203

Posted by: Gint May 24 2003, 08:28 PM

Reference pics:

Posted by: Gint May 24 2003, 08:34 PM

Making *some* progress






The seal channel is really hammered. Somebody really thought bondo and fiberglass weave was THE way to repair rust.







That IS a hole





This area is goung to have to be cut out. There was some rust bubbling, and it isn't even close to straight.

Posted by: Gint May 26 2003, 10:13 AM

I've decided to push out the schedule. This is taking up too much of my life. Today is my birthday and guess what I'll be doing. It's no fun, and it's become real work at the rate that I'm trying to get it done. I need to talk to my body work guy as he had expectations of a time frame, but I want to wait to get it into the shop until after I get back from vacation mid-July.

Posted by: Jeroen May 26 2003, 10:24 AM

Hey Gint,

Happy birthday!

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Gint May 26 2003, 10:29 AM

Thanks Yaroon!

Posted by: seanery May 26 2003, 12:15 PM

Happy Birthday!!
41, huh?
Man, I feel better about 35.


Good Catch Jeroen.

Posted by: Gint May 26 2003, 02:51 PM

Thanks Sean. Nothin you can do about birthdays anyway. It's what you do in the meantime that counts. Make the most of it every day.

Posted by: krk May 26 2003, 03:42 PM

Mike,

On the day: Have a great B-day!

On the car: It's not evil to push the sched out. Things are different than you expected. It happens. Take in the new info, and build a new schedule. "life is what happens when you are making other plans". btw, you are making really strong progress -- I am certainly envious!

kim.

Posted by: brant May 26 2003, 04:40 PM

happy b-day mike.
sorry I didn't contact you earlier, just got back into town.
Hope you had a great day and I owe you mexican food.
brant

Posted by: Qarl May 26 2003, 05:00 PM

Happy Birthday. Hope it isn't filled with too much undiscovered rust!

Have fun with the project.

Regards,

Karl

Posted by: Gint May 26 2003, 06:32 PM

Thanks everbody.

Couple of reference pics:

Posted by: Gint May 26 2003, 06:45 PM

I wish I'd bought stock in 3M 20 years ago. These disks are the best thing to happen to paint removal since sandpaper itself. IF your going down to bare metal that is. They will very quickly remove two layers of paint and all of the bondo and sealer as well.



The top right one is the type you can buy at FLAPS. The 1/4" collet is OK, but a drill is slow, and a air die grinder has no torque. The lower left (bag of purple units) is available at most larger auto body supply stores. You can put them on a 1/4" collet, but I put them on my grinder. The lower left small-ish unit is the one I wore down to a nub. Eastwood sells a 7" one with a backing pad. I need to order a few of those. I can't find them locally.

This is the package of 4 disks themselves. Part number is visible.

Posted by: 914Timo May 27 2003, 03:12 AM

Happy Birthday Gint !!

I am glad you have find the disks I would have liked to give you as a birthday present. Arent they superior !! I have used those black ones a long time, but found couple of weeks ago those purple ones even better.

I dont like the wire brush. It removes only loose surface rust and it warms the metal.

Posted by: Gint May 27 2003, 06:58 AM

Thanks Timo. And thanks for the email! It was a good way to start off a Monday (OK, it's really Tuesday after the holiday weekend, but...).

Posted by: VegasRacer May 27 2003, 07:11 AM

They also work GREAT for fiberglass repair.

As a bonus it also turns the garage into a place better than an opium den if you are looking to get high from just breathing.

Get a mask or get dizzy.

Posted by: Gint May 27 2003, 07:22 AM

I'm using them wth the car on the trailer outside. I got tired of blowing all of the dust out of the garage.

Posted by: Gint May 28 2003, 09:53 AM

These panels were dipped first, but it wasn't the really caustic stuff that removes everything but the metal. Pretty strict EPA guidlines on that I believe.

Blasted donor quarter



10 minutes with a DA and 100 grit





All of the surface rust on the engine tray cleaned up. A new battery tray and support will be installed. I will probably POR-15 the engine shelf. Dunno yet.





All of the silicone someone installed between the stiffening ribs and the panels is GONE!





Little bit of bondo to get rid of. The usual spot on the rear trunk lid that is mashed down. There was a *ton* of bondo in this lid.





My B-day ice cream cake!

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 28 2003, 09:57 AM

Cut this off..before you take it to the body shop. Not much fun trying to cut it off after its in the car.



I chatted with a person about sand blasting the other day... he says it work hardens the metal and makes it tougher for the body shops to "work". Anyt thoughts on this ??

B

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 28 2003, 09:58 AM

Nice Cake !!. Your wife rocks !!

Happy "late" B-Day.

B

Posted by: Gint May 28 2003, 10:00 AM

Planning on cutting that 4 cylinder mount off before the quarter goes in. I'll let the metal worker do it. I don't need it. And harder or not, the metal guy will get it done. He's good. I'll ask him about it though.

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 28 2003, 10:05 AM

I would install the battery tray also... before the quarter gets welded in..LOL

I'm about 10 days away from having a chassis acid dipped.

B

Posted by: Gint May 28 2003, 10:25 AM

Battery tray - will do. That's the plan.

If there was a good acid dip place in town, this tub would have gone for a bath.

Posted by: Gint May 29 2003, 06:29 PM

WooHoooo!!!! I talked to Steve again today. He was out of town. We're good for pushing the schedule out. The plan now is to get the car into the shop mid-July. That will give me plenty of time to strip everything myself without stressin over it.

Now, where can I find a DD 914?

Posted by: seanery May 29 2003, 06:56 PM

what's that?

Posted by: Gint May 29 2003, 07:20 PM

Daily Driver

Did I mention cheap? And rust free?

Posted by: krk May 29 2003, 07:55 PM

Congrats!

Pacing yourself will keep saniity somewhere near you, maybe almost even in sight. No, it won't be close to you. lol. But it will be the light at the end of the tunnel Nice work, btw. The panels look really clean.

(sympathies on the B-day -- they do happen to everyone, so don't take it personally)

kim.

Posted by: Gint May 29 2003, 09:31 PM

No worries Kim, thanks. There are a lot of things in life we can't control. Like Birthdays. 914's we can fix, growing old we can't.

Live it up.

Posted by: Malmz May 30 2003, 12:00 AM

Happy belated b-day old guy...

Just scrolled through this thread and checked out the picts. Ouch... Guess the brown car color wasn't that ugly, huh? (ducking for cover...)

If you are serious about a driver, I can look for you. Does this project mean the families yearly CA trip is off this year? If not, let us know when.

sm

Posted by: Gint May 30 2003, 06:56 AM

Hey thanks Steve. No 3-5 trips to Cal this year. I would like to make German Auto Fest, but it's iffy.

If I can't find a decent driver around here, I'll just drive the truck. But if you run across a great roller, I've got motors/heads/carbs/FI/wheels/brakes/sway bars and all kinds of stuff for 4 cylinders in my stash. And I own my own trailer now too. Hitch it up and go you know.


"The Brown Car" was a beauty! It would have made a fantastic conversion car. I wish now I had just held on to it. Live and learn eh?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 9 2003, 02:00 AM

Whats going on Gint ?? I have been out of town for awhile and havent heard from you.


B

Posted by: brant Jul 9 2003, 09:17 AM

Brad,

You may not get a response before this thread fades down...

Mike is on vacation, Cape Cod until the 13th.

Regarding the car. He pushed his deadlines back and was going to deliver to the body shop more in the fall. I'm not trying to steal any thunder from him... hopefully he will see this and respond with a better update.

brant

Posted by: Jeff Bonanno Jul 16 2003, 08:48 AM

bump

Posted by: Gint Jul 16 2003, 08:53 AM

Hey! Look at my old thread bumped to the top!

Broken foot slowed me down. It's doin better. I bought another truck and took the fam on vacation, so I've been incognito. Now my 87 year old grandfather and my dad that I haven't seen since I was 17 (a long time ago) are in town and will be staying at my house next week.

"Rusto" should continue early to mid august when I can finally walk without a huge limp.

Posted by: brant Jul 16 2003, 08:58 AM

You bought another truck?

you mean other than the 72?

wow.

brant

Posted by: seanery Jul 16 2003, 08:59 AM

Hey put 'em to work-free labor!

Posted by: 914kid Jul 16 2003, 01:49 PM

How can you repair that ?


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Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jul 16 2003, 02:04 PM

Bondo!!

Posted by: tryan Jul 16 2003, 02:09 PM

duct(k) tape and bailing wire.

Posted by: Gint Jul 16 2003, 04:48 PM

Yup. 67 3/4 ton - NO rust. NONE, zero, nada. Just like the brown car, but a Chevy truck.

http://members.rennlist.com/gman/chevy/67_C20/


Gramps is 87. They're telling me he doesn't look so good. My dad says he may not make it another year. I may get the old man to do some work though.


The answer to that question is on the first 5 or so pages of the thread.

Posted by: Alfred Jul 16 2003, 05:19 PM

You need to buy some metal panels from Restoration Design or Mittelmotor. Here's a pic from Restoration Design's web site.

Alfred

Posted by: Jeroen Jul 16 2003, 05:35 PM

Hey Gint,

A little late, but I was just browsing this thread
Check the firewall from the enginebay side. You'll see that this seam is where the "engine shelf" (the part that holds the rubberstrip between the firewall and the engine sheetmetal) is attached to the firewall.

cheers,

Jeroen
ps. what happened to your foot?

Posted by: seanery Jul 16 2003, 06:20 PM

Gint,

those your camaros?

I like, I like.

I'd like to do a 1st gen Camaro with nice suspension, big brakes, hipo 302 Z28 motor and a 6 speed!

Posted by: Gint Jul 16 2003, 06:57 PM

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2403&hl=trailer and http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2523&hl=meta
BTW, thanks for that tidbit about the engine seal. You're right of course.


They belong to the guy I bought the truck from. Pretty nice garage the guy has also. After I finish the /6 I'm going to do a truck (maybe this one, maybe a different one), and then I'll finally get an early Camaro or Nova and finish it.

All of that should keep me busy for the next few years.

Posted by: Jeroen Jul 17 2003, 08:45 AM

That sucks!
Musta missed the thread

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Eric Taylor Sep 7 2003, 06:11 PM

Gint - What's happening on the 6?

Posted by: Gint Dec 16 2003, 10:33 PM

Brad *may* have convinced me to get back to work on this project.

Posted by: Doug73/2.0 Dec 17 2003, 10:52 AM

Gint,

I am really enjoying reading about your projects. I've been looking at a several east coast 914's and I learned a lot on where to go poke around...Compared to the first three I've looked at your was mint ( minter??)
Thanks Doug :-)

Posted by: Gint Dec 18 2003, 01:37 PM

My pleasure Doug.

Brad - Are you going to have some time to talk this evening? I'm going to give you a call sometime tonight.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 18 2003, 01:45 PM

Yes. The later the better.


B

Posted by: Gint Dec 18 2003, 01:47 PM

OK, but I have to be snoozin by 11:00 (10:00 PST) so I can get up and go to the hell hole the next day and not expect to some moron.

Love the new sig...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 18 2003, 01:49 PM

You inspire me gint..LOL

8-9pm is fine.


B

Posted by: Gint Dec 21 2003, 05:37 PM

Whaddya know? That muffler heat shield on a 914/6 IS held on with screws.


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 21 2003, 10:42 PM

I found this 6 months ago... LOL you where gone. We pulled apart the acid dip car and found this (something I didnt know)..


B

Posted by: Gint Dec 21 2003, 10:56 PM

I was around then. That's why I looked. I remember that thread. I was happy to confirm that you were right (again).

Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 21 2003, 10:57 PM

I get it now.. backing me up on my obsession with little POS German cars.


B

Posted by: Gint Dec 21 2003, 10:59 PM

It's the "didication"

Posted by: Gint Dec 28 2003, 10:38 PM

I pulled the windshield opn Christmas Day. Doesn't look too bad, but I've said that before. I'll get the interior trim pads pulled out soon, dig the adhesive out and wire brush it all to find out for sure.

Posted by: Gint Dec 28 2003, 10:49 PM

I posted http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=7694&st=0&#entry102447 asking about the switch enclosure removal with a PET jpg. Here are the pics:





It took a slide hammer to get this steering wheel adapter off.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Dec 28 2003, 10:53 PM

Yep. I didnt respond because I dont take them apart that often.

Thanks for the pics.

B

Posted by: echocanyons Dec 29 2003, 06:32 AM

thanks for the pictures

strange wheel adapter what is it?

Posted by: Gint Dec 29 2003, 10:18 AM

When I bought the car, it had a MOMO Monte Carlo wheel. I swapped it out with my MOMO Racing Line wheel. It bolted right to this adapter. I think it's just an old MOMO adapter. The newer MOMO adapters don't look like this I know that.

Posted by: Gint Jan 17 2004, 04:35 PM

I'm committed now. Or I should be comitted. One of them is defintely true.

Damn that Brad. "I'm not pulling the harness." Brad replies, "It's easy." Andy did it in an hour." Actually, is wasn't too bad getting the dash wiring out. Now for the front and the rear (I know the rear's gonna be fun).

Posted by: seanery Jan 17 2004, 04:41 PM

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Jan 17 2004, 05:38 PM

Yeh, but how long to put it back?

Posted by: TimT Jan 17 2004, 05:43 PM

Thats a collapsible adapter. It will give before the steering wheel bends, absorbing some impact.

Posted by: Gint Jan 17 2004, 06:42 PM

Hah! At least one full (long) day. It took 4 hours to get it all out. I just finished. It's laying on the garage floor. There's a LOT of wire there. Props to Andy (or anyone else for that matter) that can do this in under 2 hours.

Film at 11:00...

Posted by: redshift Jan 17 2004, 06:47 PM

OUCH!!

Guys, when you pull a harness out, PULL a NEW WIRE the other way as you take it out..

You know why?

1. Easy to pull the harness back, less likely to hurt the harness pushing.

2. SO YOU KNOW WHERE AND HOW IT WAS PULLED.


M

Posted by: Gint Jan 17 2004, 06:49 PM

Anyone who's done it knows why. Actually, you can do it just before you re-install. It wouldn't be difficult.

Thanks Rich for the advice this afternoon (phone conversation).

Posted by: watsonrx13 Jan 17 2004, 06:54 PM

Gint,

Why did you remove the wiring harness?

BTW, nice job on the rusto, keep up the good work and the inspiration for the rest of us.

Posted by: Gint Jan 17 2004, 06:58 PM

Full repaint. Most of the car will be completey stripped. Slight surface rust along the inside of the dash also. I might as well get it all out and get it all clean.

See the scale in these pics?

Posted by: Gint Jan 17 2004, 10:45 PM

Lotta wire...

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 05:13 PM

I had left the gauge cluster hanging while fighting with the dash pad and the wiring harness. I also left the key in the ignition so I wouldn't have to hunt it down if I needed to turn the wheel. Guess what happened.


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Posted by: watsonrx13 Jan 18 2004, 05:47 PM

That sucks...

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 05:51 PM

Believe it or not, the Ace Hardware guy managed to make a new key from this one. And it works! Good thing too, because this one was the only key I have for this car.

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 08:24 PM

Pretty empty now. Just a few more odds n ends. I need to leave the suspension on it for now to get it on and off the trailer.

Posted by: brant Jan 18 2004, 08:29 PM

Nice job,

our cars are looking similar again today..

you've been working your butt off I can tell..

hey pull the front sway.. it doesn't need to make the trip.

have you heard from Andy... my hotmail looks to be down right at the moment.

brant

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 08:40 PM

Thanks. You have to get rid of that hotmail account. PM on it's way.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jan 18 2004, 09:01 PM

Go ahead and bring the dash with you.. we will paint it to match the tub.


B

Posted by: seanery Jan 18 2004, 09:03 PM

I thought I heard a little about this car coming west again. Didn't know for sure. What kind of time frame are you looking at?

Posted by: dgw Jan 18 2004, 09:26 PM

Gint,

Thats a lot of work. I took one completely apart, including the wiring harness, for a complete repaint. Unfortunately my plans changed and I sold the car (in plastic bags). It was a lot of fun though, taking every nut and bolt off the car. Maybe the good news is I didn't have to try to put it back together again, although I was pretty careful to label all the parts.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jan 18 2004, 10:34 PM

That car is now running and driving. I drove it a few weeks back. Darren did a good job of getting it all together.


B

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 10:35 PM

You lost me again Brad. The dash top? The rest of the dash is still attached.



Dunno how long it will be before it's done. I'm heading for L.A. to Dunkle's and then up to NorCal with Brad and the rest on Sunday afternoon. I might be picking up a roller for Brant on the way back.



Thanks Dennis. Too much time/money in it to sell it off. The plan is to keep it for at least five years and let the car pay be back in "smiles per mile".

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jan 18 2004, 10:37 PM

Pull the steel dash out and bring it with the tub.


B

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2004, 10:39 PM

I'll just leave it on the tub. I saw a couple of screws on the side, but I haven't looked real hard for the rest of the attachment points. Can't be too hard to remove now that there's nothing left.

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 18 2004, 10:45 PM

4 screws in the front, 10 mm nuts under the cowl, accessible front the front trunk. 2 (i believe) screws on each side and maybe one under the dash in the middle, can't remember, too long ago.

Andy

Posted by: Ferg Jan 19 2004, 09:36 AM

Holy cow you have been busy...

Posted by: Gint Jan 24 2004, 07:48 PM

All right, I'm done for the day. If I keep going, I'd have to put on pants. It's starting to get a little chilly. I have the bare panels all covered in POR-15 Metal Ready. The engine lid and side panels are all stripped of the grill material. The adjustable prop valve and the lines to the rear brakes are out. The brake and fuel lines are all disconnected and un-restrained in the tunnel. All I have to do is:

The under the car work to get the MC, lines and the resevoir out.
Take out the ashtray bracket, glovebox door and lock.
Remove the tar from the top of the tunnel (that's all the tar that is left).
I think the threshold aluminum piece is still on the passenger side.
Swap out some wheels for the trip on the trailer.
Strip the windows out of the doors and swap out the passenger door.

I think that's about it. Tomorrow's another day. Pretty much my last full day to get this stuff done before I leave on Friday.

Posted by: krk Jan 24 2004, 08:03 PM

Dude,

You overwhelm me. I'm whining about an alternator and some fan shroud issues. Sheesh. (I did take it off today, and am now cleaning it for repairs -- hate old oily crap) Your car will rock and I look forward to see it on the road!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Jan 24 2004, 08:08 PM

Hi Kim!

It's not too hard to take a 914 apart. Now the real work begins. Going to Dunkels? Am I going to see you next weekend somehow, some way?

Posted by: krk Jan 24 2004, 08:34 PM

Damn, but it's unlikely. I'd *love* to go, but there are many dragons at the door. Miracles could happen -- not quite lottery odds, but you get the picture.

kim.

Posted by: Gint Jan 25 2004, 09:12 PM

Pretty empty now! The last of the floor pan tar is gone.


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Posted by: Gint Jan 25 2004, 09:12 PM

Dash


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Posted by: Gint Jan 25 2004, 09:13 PM

Nothin back here


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Posted by: Gint Jan 25 2004, 09:14 PM

I still have to swap doors on the passenger side and remove windows and door latches from both doors. Swap the front wheels and pull the front brake hard lines. I still need to remove the glove box door, lock and ashtray housing. But that's all. Nothing left after that but empty shell.

Posted by: Gint Jan 26 2004, 11:58 PM

Just to document the glove box lock position.


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Posted by: Gint Jan 26 2004, 11:59 PM

In case you haven't seen the ashtray housing mounting (from the back side of the dash).


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Posted by: Gint Jan 27 2004, 12:01 AM

And the metal dash mounting studs.

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jan 27 2004, 12:01 AM

Hey gint, maybe a stupid question, but what's the final vision on the car? Full resto? Hot rod? Racer?
Eric

Posted by: Gint Jan 27 2004, 12:07 AM

Not stupid at all Eric.

Mostly stock, but I'm no CW. The motor is already a warmed over unit. When this motor goes, the new one will be bigger. I'm installing a moveable passenger seat. GOing to get a James Woods shifter. I'll put in new hardware where possible, and I don't care if it isn't what the factory put in it. I'm not that anal. Thinking about carbon fiber on the dash front. If (won't be for a long while) I ever sell it though, it won't be hard for someone to CW the car and return it to bone stock. And they will not have to repair rust.

I want to drive the car. And enjoy it. I love 914s. It won't see rain unless I get caught in it, and it will always spend the night in the garage, but it will be driven - regularly.

It's kind of whatever I decide as I go along.

Posted by: krk Jan 27 2004, 12:53 AM

Ah. Didn't know you were changing the seating. Not that I disagree -- I'm debating many things about mine as we speak -- but I'm interested in what other /6 owners decide on. I'm switching sides blacked out chrome and many other things -- prolly a reaction to just wanting a running 914 (lol) -- so I'm following a lot of discussions on this sort of thing.

Why the change?

kim.

Posted by: Korijo Jan 27 2004, 01:06 AM

Gint (or anyone),

Did these studs come loose on anyonelse's dash frame. The nut and stud spin on my frame. Couldnt remove it...


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Posted by: Hawktel Jan 27 2004, 01:08 AM

On my 70, I'm going to replace the fixed one peice seat with a fixed on its own seat.

I want it to be comfortable, so I'm going to try to wedge some bigger old leather seats in it. No backpad, I'll carpet the backwall.

Posted by: krk Jan 27 2004, 01:23 AM

Hawktel,

This is a dumb question, but have you "done time" riding in the passenger seat? I only ask because we brought ours down from Vancouver (BC) to San Jose and traded driving duties. I spent time in the seat and was surpised that it was not uncomfortable.

That said -- I loved the cabin in my '73. Symmetry has it's beauty.

kim.

Posted by: DNHunt Jan 27 2004, 07:45 AM

Throw some sheepskins (not for the purist ) on them. Save the vinyl and they are really quite comfortable. Same old challenge about staying in the seat on hard corners, but good cruisin.

Dave

Posted by: Gint Jan 27 2004, 08:13 AM

I want to do it, that's good enough for me. It's nothing that can't be un-done. I have a cherry set of seats, backpad and door panels from the 72 to put in this car. That will save upholstery costs. And I will save the original back pad and seats so it can be put back to original without to much hassle. I will almost certainly black the roll bar trim and the trim piece under the vinyl on the sail. Also the front and rear seal channels. I'm debating blacking the wing window post as well.




Bummer Dave. I was lucky and got my nuts off.

Posted by: Justin Fischer Jan 27 2004, 08:22 AM

I'm also in the process of changing to a movable passenger seat. The biggest complaint I had about the fixed seat was the amount of wind, the dead air spot seems to be about 3 inches off the backpad.

-Justin

Posted by: Gint Jan 27 2004, 07:53 PM

Nothin like the smell of burnin rubber - In the garage. Mr. Torch got some exercise tonight. Sway bar bushings are "toast". It and the front brake hard lines are out, crap wheels mounted up. Nothing left now but hang a passenger door, strip door latch mechanisms from one door, and door latch/windows from the other. I should be rolling out of town Friday a.m. with my to-do list - done.

Posted by: Gint Jan 27 2004, 08:54 PM

The driver's door is completely stripped. These early doors don't weigh squat when they're empty.

Posted by: Hawktel Jan 27 2004, 09:09 PM

Actually I did 2 hours in the passenger seat Kim. It wasn't to bad.



The main problem with the regulation seats is I don't fit. I'm 6 foot 10, 300 pounds. And I like comfortable seats. I guess I could install the drivers seat in the passenger spot. Dunno. I'm looking at custom seats more still.

Posted by: krk Jan 28 2004, 09:40 AM

Hm -- 6'10" -- I can easily believe it would take something custom to get comfortable!

Good luck in the hunt!

kim.

Posted by: Howard R Jan 28 2004, 01:15 PM

Gint,

Just a thought on your seats. If you are planning to put some race seats in at some time or other it will be a lot easier if you move the crossmember in fromt of the seat about 100 - 150 mm towards the front of the car. You would have to fabricate a carrier in the meantime to mount the seat height adjuster. If I was doing it all again I would certainly move it. It would also make a good place to mount the extinguishers.

Posted by: Gint Jan 29 2004, 08:19 PM

Ain't she purty? Ready to head out tomorrow am for Dunkle's.


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Posted by: seanery Jan 29 2004, 08:25 PM

Have a good trip and be safe.

Posted by: Gint Mar 17 2004, 10:03 PM

The tub trip story:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=8792&hl=chain+monkeys


Glenn Stazak wrote me an email. In the thread that ensued, some new information has come to light with regard to my car. He also provided me with some documents and a letter from Bob Wood himself.

Thanks Glenn!

I'm going to post some of the info from Glenn, and from Larry Lee's db that he provided me with prior to my purchasing the car. For those of you that don't know, Larry has been collecting 914 advertisements from Excellence and Pano and other sources for many years. Feel free to email him at llee50@stny.rr.com

Larry Lee sent me the following upon my request to him for information in which I provided little else than the VIN number:



Hi Mike,
Yes, I have 2 entries on your car. One from 1987 and the other from 1992.
This car hasn't changed hands very much.
Looks like it spent most of its life in Arizona. Hope this helps.


70 914 2 "Roadster" 914043####
"Orange/blk int, exc orig cond, Ariz rustfree car, reblt 2.0E eng, S pists,
Turn 6
swaybar, #140 springs, alloys, gas shocks, new mast cyl, new rotor & pads."
$10500
"Ron" "Vance"
"1932 E. Meadow Dr."
"Tempe" "AZ" "85282"
"602-967-9143" 9/1/1987 "Panorama" PG 105


70 914 0 "Roadster" 914043####
"Orange/blk, mech sound, Carrera chain tensioners, s/s brake lines,
proportioning valve,
dry cell battery, H-4 headlts, 205/50-15 TAs, Fuch whls, factory sway bar,
recent major
svc and reblt carbs, new clutch, 11 blade fan, alternator and ""S""
distributor."
$0
"Don"
"602-997-2785" 12/1/1992 "Excellence" PG 116




This database is an effort by Porsche 914/6 enthusiasts to document these
rare and unusual
sports cars. 3363 of these cars were produced over 3 short years starting
in 1970 and in
the intervening decades, these few have left their mark on the streets and
race tracks of
the world. Due to their age and competition potential, many of these cars
have compiled
interesting and colorful histories.

The purpose of this effort is to provide current owners a place to research
their cars
and a place for them to share any research they might have done. For the
prospective
buyer, this provides a place to research cars they might consider buying.
The things that
you might find in this database include information on originally installed
equipment,
original engine and transmission serial numbers, previous advertisements in
national
magazines, names and addresses of previous owners and owner submitted
information.

This database is intended to promote the preservation of Porsches first mid
engined
roadster and is aimed at those who appreciate these cars.



My database currently has 2385 entries with 770 unique serial numbers.
There were 3363 of these cars produced with about 1700 of them
being officially imported into North America.

The information in my database comes from several sources, these include:
Every issue of Panorama from 1970 to date,
Every issue of Excellence from April 1987 to date,
Every issue of Road & Track from 1970 to date,
Some issues of Hemmings from 1998 to date,
Defunct publications like Porsche Trends Gallery
And other random publications like AutoWeek.

Various web sites from about 1996 to date. The web sites include among
others:
Road Glue http://www.roadglue.com/
914/6 Registry http://www.stazak.com/914reg/
914 club http://www.dgi.net/914/
The Rennlist http://www.rennlist.org/
Automobile Atlanta http://www.autoatlanta.com
914 Owners Association http://home.earthlink.net/~deeds/
Ebay http://www.ebay.com/
And random other web sites like PCA region web sites and personal web sites.

Also personal observations of 914/6s at various East Coast and Midwest
events.



I used to do a price run on the database from time to time but haven't been
able
to do this since I changed database programs due to Y2K issues. The
following chart
is the output of the price run. Its getting kind of stale but should give
you some
idea of the price trends for these cars.


PRICE HISTORY FOR TYPE 914-6

REPORT DATE 09/13/99 21:02:11

FOR CARS WITH PRICES BETWEEN $1 AND $99999

AVERAGE MAXIMUM MINIMUM NUMBER OF
ADVERTISED ADVERTISED ADVERTISED DATA
YEAR PRICE PRICE PRICE POINTS
------------------------------------------------------------------
1971 5300 5300 5300 1
1972 5725 9000 4750 10
1973 4980 6195 3800 10
1974 5467 8950 3700 17
1975 5710 11000 3800 47
1976 6348 11000 4375 25
1977 8115 15500 4750 32
1978 8594 15000 900 49
1979 8033 15000 3600 38
1980 9124 19500 2500 39
1981 10296 25000 2500 38
1982 12297 25000 5700 58
1983 12392 55000 1500 59
1984 10936 23000 3500 73
1985 12580 23000 5750 87
1986 12156 30000 6500 59
1987 13831 85000 6000 71
1988 13832 45500 750 51
1989 11842 30000 3500 57
1990 16109 40000 4200 40
1991 19964 85000 750 81
1992 17067 45000 4250 82
1993 15373 45000 4000 115
1994 13850 50000 4500 127
1995 15646 44995 4750 84
1996 17606 35000 7500 53
1997 17781 40000 5000 69
1998 18086 45000 3000 52
1999 18477 29500 4000 24



Larry Lee
Vestal, NY.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Mar 17 2004, 10:17 PM

Thats really interesting to me Mike. I had never heard this data before.

1700 of

Dont let me highjack this thread, thats not my intent!

Posted by: Gint Mar 17 2004, 10:20 PM

From Glenn:

3/14/2004
Hello Mike,
I noticed that you bought Bob's old 914-6. I see that you started to restore
the car, how is that going? This car was in Illinois back in the 70's and I believe it was sold out of O'Hare Porsche. The rust is typical of a car that spent time here in Illinois back when it was a daily driver.
Keep me posted,
Glenn Stazak

3/15/2004
Glenn Stazak wrote:

Found it!
I also have a copy of the Cert of Auth if you need that here is a list of Chicago area dealers from 1970:

Edit 03172012 - I removed the image of my COA. Privacy concerns.

Name Street City
Porsche Audi at O'Hare, Inc. 1000 Elmhurst Road Elk Grove Village IL
Tom Chaney Porsche Audi Corp. 14720 Halsted Street Harvey IL
Breen Porsche Audi, Inc. 300 East Ogden Avenue Hinsdale IL
Shoreline Porsche Audi, Inc. 80 Greenbay Road Winnetka IL

Unfortunately none of these dealers still exists. let me know if you have any questions during reassembly, I have done several sixes.
Regards,
Glenn

And finally:

Posted by: Gint Mar 17 2004, 10:25 PM

And a note from Bob


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Posted by: Gint Mar 17 2004, 10:28 PM

Great question Jeff. I'm sure there a lot of 914/6 owners that would like to know the answer. Exchange of information is what it's all about.

Posted by: jonwatts Mar 17 2004, 10:47 PM

I'd like to have a nice original six before the $12,000 price ceiling shatters and they can't be had for less than $16k or $20k. I really believe that will happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Gint Mar 17 2004, 10:55 PM

I do too Jon.

I still won't break even.

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Mar 17 2004, 10:59 PM

Brief commercial message: Jon, I have a $12,000 example for sale. See the classifieds. You can even buy the other one and have an unmatched set.

Posted by: vortrex Mar 17 2004, 11:07 PM

aren't we already at $16-20K?? I rarely see them go for less than this, ones that don't need paint/resto.

Posted by: seanery Mar 18 2004, 07:37 AM

I agree, doesn't 12k get you just a bit nicer than a project?

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Mar 18 2004, 11:32 AM

Maybe mine's too cheap at $12. It's a very nice driver. Oh well, off to Ebay soon.


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Posted by: jonwatts Mar 18 2004, 11:49 AM

I see people trying to sell them for more all the time but I'm not hearing that they are getting their asking price (excluding ebay lunacy). I hear of factory sixes going for more like $6k - $8k for a good project* and well maintained original cars rarely and barely getting over $12k.

*A good project is a complete running car that needs to be gone through, not a basket case.

I ain't no Bruce Anderson, just repeating what I hear from our part of the country. Besides I couldn't buy anything without having Bradholio inspect it and give it his blessing first. I see him too often and he'd never let me live it down

Posted by: Gint Mar 18 2004, 01:48 PM

That statement coincides with my vision of reality as well. Absolutely immaculate restored cars are going for $20k, give or take. And that seems to be hit or miss. Good to pretty nice drivers can be had for $10-14k.

Posted by: vortrex Mar 18 2004, 04:44 PM

I must be looking in the wrong places. I've been keeping an eye out for the past 2 years for fun and hardly seen anything $10-14K.

case in point, this is what I would consider a nice original driver.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467234941&category=6430

not sure what it will go for, but I am guessing $16k+.


BTW...jim, your car does look nice for $12k.

Posted by: Gint Mar 18 2004, 05:43 PM

That car gets bonus points for not having a boatload of undercoating all over the bottom side and being pretty clean overall. If it's rust free, it's a deal at $13-14k. That's as high as I would go based on what I see and read in the ebay ad.

We could argue about this all day. Wait and see what it sells for. And remember that a LOT of ebay 914 deals have fallen through lately anyway.

I read through the ad again. If I were in the market, I might go as high as $15K for that car. IF the paint is in fact original and IF it really does have a limited slip and IF it doesn't have any rust, as stated. All of this would have to be confirmed on a PPI by someone I could trust.

You won't see many 914/6 cars that haven't been restored that are in as good of condition as that car is. It's the exception.

Posted by: Gint Mar 21 2004, 11:15 AM

Brad and Mark had said that my tub would be going to the dipper's late last week or early this next week. I haven't heard for sure, but this comment from Brad in another thread leads me to beleive that it is already there.

Here are some pics of the work done prior to dip.

Posted by: jonwatts Mar 21 2004, 06:28 PM

Hey Gint, I saw your car up at Brad's a few week's ago. Didn't recognize it, had to be told it was yours. Neat to see it back in this area.

Sorry, I don't know where it is currently. Hope they don't leave it in the tank too long

Posted by: Gint Apr 14 2004, 10:13 PM

I squeezed an update outa Brad. In a http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=11007 he said:

I can't wait to see pics of a nice clean, dipped and primered tub. There should be a lot of swiss cheese lookin' holes in it.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 15 2004, 01:02 AM

I was behind for several weeks. It took me longer than I thought to get the welder wired into the new shop. The tub was ready for dipping ages ago but the door bars where not welded in and then the dipper wasnt ready for it. Finally the planets aligned and we should have a dipped tub ready for repair very soon. Mark shot pics of it on the trailer but I dont think he has posted them yet. I'm personally very close to finishing up some lengthy projects. This will allow me to focus on some of the new projects that have arrived.

Hang in there Gint. We are now starting to feel at home in the new place. Air compressor gets wired in this weekend.


B

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2004, 06:17 AM

Thanks Brad. I'm glad to hear things are calming down. Appreciate the update. I really can't wait to see what comes out of the tank.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 15 2004, 08:06 PM

Have you seen the pics of the green 9146 the body guy just finished ?? FRIGGIN crazy. Brought another 9146 back from the dead. This one was WAY bad compared to yours.


B

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 15 2004, 08:46 PM

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2004, 08:59 PM

Nope. Where are they? I'd love to see 'um.

Posted by: mikey Apr 15 2004, 09:46 PM

That would be me, I think. Pictures are here:

http://www.914world.com/members/markd/mikes6/mikes6.html.

This one was literally brought back from the dead. It's hard to believe it's the same car I started with. Mark will post pictures of the completed paint job soon I think. I'll eventually post more pictures of the restoration from disassembly to the completed car.

Posted by: McMark Apr 15 2004, 10:17 PM

Apparently I have a lot of pictures to post.

Guess I better hold up my part of the bargain.

Posted by: Gint Apr 15 2004, 10:48 PM

I'm ready! What's the word on the dipper? Is it there yet? Dipped? Soaking?

Thanks for posting the link Mike. Looks great.

Posted by: McMark Apr 15 2004, 11:11 PM

It's at the dipper as of yesterday.

Posted by: seanery Apr 16 2004, 07:13 AM

can you guys pickup whitie? Green car looks good.

Posted by: Randel Apr 16 2004, 07:31 AM

For some truly gruesome post-dip pics check out:

http://www.redshift-consulting.com/porsche/

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2004, 07:51 AM

Thanks Randel. I've looked at your pics before. That was truly a save.


jforts thread regarding early headlights (for my own reference):
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=3538

Posted by: dflesburg Apr 16 2004, 10:58 AM

This is what mine looked like after dip. Good Luck!!!

Oh yeah, did anyone tell you how much paint you will need now? Or how many hours your going to spend welding...

Better get some "easy grind" wire for your welder... lol

Posted by: Gint Apr 16 2004, 03:19 PM

Exactly why I farmed this part of the "rusto" out. And I found a highly compentent group of suc.... I mean, skilled technicians to do the job.

In rust we trust....

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 16 2004, 11:53 PM

Randel,

You are a true inspiration to the 914 builders out there (no joke)

dflesburg,

Kickass..another one "done right".. and yes.. I have the easy grind spool in the mig welder as we type

I have just about enough factory 9146 restorations coming up to keep us busy for the next 8 months.


B

Posted by: Lawrence Apr 17 2004, 04:57 AM

B,

Is that why I didn't hear back from you? <_<

LB

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 17 2004, 12:18 PM

Ha ha.. its tough to work on 4cyl cars when you have 3 more conversions lined up and two factory sixes coming in for 3.2 engines...

I just havent finished the info LB. These full blown resto's are growing on me. Lots of fun. Time consuming.. but the end product RIPS.


B

Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2004, 12:18 AM

Got some new pics of the car heading for the dipper! Thanks Mark.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 18 2004, 12:21 AM

Hey Gint....no hard feelings against me for not talking you out of this car????

Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2004, 12:24 AM

Never met a Mike I didn't like.

This thing is gonna be killer when it's done.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 18 2004, 12:27 AM

What are those pieces of metal flapping where the battery tray is suppose to be???

Geoff

Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2004, 12:30 AM

C'mon Geoff, use your imagination. The guy that installed those pieces certainly did.

Posted by: Lawrence Apr 18 2004, 12:45 AM

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 18 2004, 08:20 AM

Not to jack your thread but this is creative welding! Kid did it in shop class.



Geoff


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Posted by: Gint Apr 18 2004, 08:42 AM

OK, so the junk in my car can't top that. But I think you get the idea. Someone riveted in a panel behind the battery, all the way around and down into the hell hole. Below the engine shelf even. Some of it is fiberglass. Then they dumped a bunch a bondo on top. Whether someone else can be more creative or not, it qualifies as a mess in it's own right.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 18 2004, 10:16 AM

This is what I did on my car on Saturday. Repaired the drivers sail corner. What a bitch that was. Crappie cell phone pics.


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Posted by: Gint May 14 2004, 09:04 AM

Tub may be picked up this week (early next week???? Brad??????) and delivered to Brandon and Mark. Can't wait to see the pics!

Posted by: Levi May 26 2004, 06:54 PM

So Gint, whats going on with your car, I've been keeping an eye on this thread.

Posted by: mikey May 26 2004, 08:29 PM

I'm not Gint, but I can answer this question. Last week I picked up the body and right rear quarter panel from the stripper, and delivered them both to the body man/painter.

Not to hijack this thread but... I then picked up my shell - the green one seen here:

http://www.914world.com/members/markd/mikes6/mikes6.html

It looks great and I can't wait to start reassembly. It's only about a year behind schedule! Hope to be driving it before too much longer.

Posted by: Levi May 26 2004, 08:57 PM

Oh sure..
I'll bet you where glad to find this before it found you...


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Posted by: mikey May 26 2004, 09:28 PM

You got that one right! Apparently, the filler like stuff inside the tail light area was disturbed by the sandblaster and some of it fell out. This allowed rusting to start underneath. The paint that Brandon put on bubbled up twice before he discovered what the problem was. He treated everything underneath with Rust-Mort, welded and body worked in a patch, and repainted everything. Now it looks great - just like the left side. No bubbles this time. You can't tell there was ever a problem there.

I've got some digital pictures at home of this area after the final repair. I'll repost them on my own thread tomorrow.

Mike

Posted by: Gint May 26 2004, 09:37 PM

Thanks for picking it up Mike!

Now if I could just get some pictures. I just PM'd Mark a few minutes ago asking for pics.

Posted by: mikey May 26 2004, 09:47 PM

You're welcome! Your tub looked very nice all clean and primed. I just went through this whole thread today for the first time. Our cars had similar problems. My rust didn't get to the longitudinal though. My right rear suspension mounting had been rusted away and badly repaired. So it had to have major surgery in that area. I also had some damage to the left front nose area.

Once I figure out how to post pictures here I'll start my own restoration thread. I've taken digital pictures of the whole restoration so far.

Mike

Posted by: Gint May 27 2004, 07:42 AM

Looking forward to seeing your thread Mike. Your tub looked really sweet. If you need help posting pics, shoot me a PM and I'll get you going.

MARKD! Need pics!

It was acid dipped and PPG primed. Just waiting for pics!

Posted by: Levi May 27 2004, 09:11 AM

Me to, this is a great thread..

Posted by: Levi Jun 13 2004, 12:39 AM

This is a Bump to see if anything is new..

Posted by: Gint Jun 13 2004, 11:10 AM

Your guess is as good as mine. I have PM'd and generally nagged Mark to death for pics and still haven't seen any. I'll have to call Brad tomorrow at the shop.

Posted by: Levi Jun 13 2004, 11:26 AM

Ok then...
My inspiration comes from you guys that are restoring your cars and posting the pictures, I have no one local so I'll keep buggin you...
Thanks,

Posted by: seanery Jun 13 2004, 11:31 AM

I guess you guys can just watch the progress of Doug's car.

Posted by: Gint Jun 13 2004, 11:51 AM

I have to live vicariously through people like Doug. I hope to be following in his footsteps sooner or later.

In the meantime, pics of my dipped tub would be nice.

Posted by: SP9146 Jun 13 2004, 11:36 PM

Haven't been on in a while. Thought I'd log on and see how the acid dip came out on Gint's car but still no pics. Is it me or is 2 months a long time to post pics from something everyone wants to see? Did the car dissolve or something?

Posted by: Levi Jun 13 2004, 11:54 PM

Nope, I need MORE

Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 04:32 PM

Here's a teaser... I have to go man the shovel for a couple of hours. I'll post the remaining pics later tonight.

Posted by: seanery Jun 14 2004, 04:51 PM

damn you've got some repair to be done there boy! And I'm not talking about the fender either

Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 06:29 PM

Well, as far as repairing and painting the tub is concerned, I'm just writing the checks.

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Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 06:30 PM

This doesn't even look like my tub anymore.

Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 06:34 PM

Posted by: william harris Jun 14 2004, 06:37 PM

Great pictures, be sure to photo the two pieces being welded together.

Posted by: seanery Jun 14 2004, 06:51 PM

Mike,
the tub looks good except for that one area there.

Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 07:08 PM

Lots more rust holes in that tub. They just aren't as large.

Posted by: Chris H. Jun 14 2004, 07:13 PM

You talking about that section behind the passenger door? Yeah I saw that too.

Looks like he's got a pretty good replacement piece to swap it with. It's gonna look good when it's done!

Posted by: krk Jun 14 2004, 07:29 PM

Mike,

Glad to see the pics and it's good to see progress! (yeh, I see the holes... "facts are your friends") I'm looking forward to seeing it complete! (I'm sure you are too -- heh)

Good luck with the project, and definitely continue with the pics!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Jun 14 2004, 09:28 PM

Thanks guys.

I'm going to ask Mark if he can get some pics of the rust holes around the tub. I'm curious to see if the dipping turned up any rust that I didn't already know about.

Posted by: SP9146 Jun 14 2004, 10:15 PM

That's the way to do it Gint! You will get evey rust hole this way and have a perfect car! What color and brand of paint? base / clear or single stage? How are you going to restore the seam sealer, did you take or have before shots of factory original?

Posted by: Levi Jun 14 2004, 11:33 PM

Yes!! Thats what I'm talkin about...
Thanks.

Posted by: william harris Jun 15 2004, 06:18 AM

My two cents worth: screw the seam sealer, it is nasty stuff and traps water to form new rust. See pictures of the seam sealer I removed that looked good on the outside and was rusting at the seam on my "Restoration Part Trois" thread.

Posted by: Gint Jun 15 2004, 07:58 AM

I'm assuming the paint will end up being some kind of PPG product since the primer is PPG DP40 (according to PPG's web site: D834 DP40 , a chromate-free epoxy primer which provides a high degree of adhesion both to bare metal and a wide range of plastics.) But I need to get the painter (dlpenserini, aka Brandon) to have a look at this thread. In fact I need to talk to him directly. He and MarkD are doing the rust/body/paint work. The color will be the factory color for the car, tangerine. As for the seam sealer, not sure yet what will happen there.

As for before pictures, go backwards in this thread. It's loaded with 'em.

Posted by: Levi Jun 26 2004, 10:04 PM

Bump
Whats new?????

Posted by: Gint Jun 27 2004, 07:59 AM

Waiting for parts at this point. Stay tuned...

Posted by: Levi Aug 7 2004, 05:09 PM

Posted by: Gint Nov 9 2004, 11:14 PM

Sorry Levi! Been awhile, I know. Almost ready for paint.





New rockers and sills.





Engman's long stiffening kit installed.

















New battery tray, shelf and engine shelf.











Partial jack post support replacement





Still need some pan work.











Getting a new front fender. The original was pretty warped.











Added pockets and mounts for late model retractable belts








Not much left. It will be paint time soon!





I wish I could find the cowl corner replacement pics.

Posted by: krk Nov 9 2004, 11:19 PM

Mike,

This is 914-porn at its best. The progress is wonderful! The pics are excellent and I'm sure will be motivating to more than just me!

Best,

kim.

Posted by: Gint Nov 9 2004, 11:49 PM

Thanks Kim. If Shar finds a job before the end of February it won't even have to sit in the garage doing nothing waiting on $$$.

Posted by: ChrisReale Nov 10 2004, 12:03 AM

Is this the one that you dropped off at Brads? The one with fiberglass longs?

Posted by: Eric Taylor Nov 10 2004, 01:17 AM

Drool drool DROOL. God it's amazing to think of that tube as being a totally complete rust free 914/6 considering it's beginnings as such a rust bucket with body damage. It's gona be beautiful and deffinatly worth the wait! This project has always kept my intrestet, it's great to see it nearing body completion! Congrats Gint!. By the way, what color? Are you gona go stock with the orange, or something totally different?

Posted by: krk Nov 10 2004, 01:30 AM

Heh -- I'm sure I"m not alone on this -- I look forward to the coming out party (or at least really great pics of it) whenever it is!

But in the mean time, you've clearly made some solid progress!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Nov 10 2004, 06:49 AM

One and the same.



Thanks Eric. Same color, tangerine.

Posted by: Lawrence Nov 10 2004, 07:28 AM

Fantastic, Mike.

I'm glad someone was able to fix the hack-job.

-Rusty

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 10 2004, 08:47 AM

Hi everyone. New to the board. I have been following the progress and am really impressed.

"I wish I could find the cowl corner replacement pics."

I am going to need to replace mine also. Did you ever find those pics? I would really like to see them if you can find them.

Posted by: william harris Nov 10 2004, 09:06 AM

Mike: what a fantastic job. Keep em coming. We are preserving the legacy. Will the next generation appreciate that?

Posted by: brant Nov 10 2004, 09:14 AM

Definitely worth the wait Mike...

wow, those are great pics...
keep it up.

brant

Posted by: Ferg Nov 10 2004, 09:50 AM

Sweet Gint, can't wait to see you behind the wheel.
Ferg.

Posted by: seanery Nov 10 2004, 09:50 AM

looking great Mike! I can't wait to see the paint on it. I may need to drop a white car off in Utah for a couple months!

Posted by: Quebecer Nov 10 2004, 01:32 PM

It's amazing how two cars can have similar "challenges".

Mine is almost a copy, but unfortunately I haven't worked on it for one complete year.
Built my own house (larger garage), got married, and expecting a kid.

I must congratulate you on the great work you've done!

You're an inspiration for those days when I almost want to sell the project.

Thanks !!!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 10 2004, 02:32 PM

restore2seater

Troy (the body man) has them custom made. He replaced both on my car. I can check to see if he has any extra stock

gint

Fender is on... looks great. I tried to take pics with a "real" camera but mine kept giving me a system error. I think it's just a low battery issue. Floor is out and the new one is going in today. Everything looks really clean.

I helped Troy upload that zip file so, the pics are from the same bad camera (just not great in low light) but they're 800 by 640 or something like that.

I'll try to get some shots nmaybe later today once the floor is in.

Posted by: Gint Nov 10 2004, 06:05 PM

They can be made by a competent body guy. They're not that intricate. In my case, I had a donor tub. Look at the fenderless pic above. There is a close up of the driver's side cowl corner . That on was repaired instead of replaced.





The body work and paint are being handled by folks that have the ability. I just tore it apart and will put it back together. And of course fork over $$$$$



http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=20210
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=20145

Posted by: Gint Nov 10 2004, 06:12 PM

Got 'em. Thanks! I'll post them next.



Keep 'em comin. Thanks Eric.

Posted by: Gint Nov 10 2004, 06:13 PM

Today's pics. The replacement fender is installed.


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Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 10 2004, 08:38 PM

Who's that handsome mother fucher in that first pic... the one trying to get his camera to work?

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 11 2004, 07:56 AM

Mike, Eric

Actually the cowl area is the least of my problem areas right now. I was just curious what the replacement part looked like. The rust on the cowl area on my car is actually around the lower right windshield chrome area.

What are you using to remove your fenders? The areas look pretty clean and smooth where the spott welds were. Do you use some kind of bit in a drill? I bought a couple from Eastwood and would like to know if there is any trick to using them.

I do have a question off this topic though. How do you remove the hooks on the inside above the upper seat belt mount? For the clothes hangers to hang on. I'm stripping everything off the body and I don't want to destroy the padding around that area since it's in pretty good shape.

Posted by: Gint Nov 11 2004, 09:54 AM

In a couple of months I can cut out the piece you need from my donor tub.


I don't really know what troy used for certain. I have a spot weld cutter, but you can use an ordinary drill bit. Do a google search for a spot weld cutter. In fact, you can do a search on this site as it's been discussed before.



Those plastic covers lift straight up and the metal bracket underneath has a phillips head screw holding it on. Really simple once you know that bit of info.

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 11 2004, 10:04 AM

This is the set of cutters I bought from Eastwood.


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Posted by: Gint Nov 11 2004, 10:05 AM

Those will work. along with the standard arsenal of tools. It's not much fun, that's why I let Troy do all of that work.

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 11 2004, 11:20 AM

I've noticed that most of the repo places don't sell fenders. Most of the other body panels and frame pieces I need (longs, rockers, floor pans...) are available. Whats the best way to get front and rear fenders?
And no, I can't buy another car as a donor. Aggravated the wife too much already with my Challenger and now the 914.

Posted by: Gint Nov 11 2004, 03:51 PM

Donor tub. I have a left rear quater in really nice shape. Again, it's a couple of months from being available.

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 11 2004, 04:05 PM

Well I definitely need a right side rear fender but until I do some more diggin into the rest of the car I don't know about the left side. The front fenders have some DA marks showing through the paint and what looks like some bondo that wasn't featherd out to well. Probably PO work done at home rather than at a body shop. I would be interested in the left side rear though. And any other parts thats in good condition.

At this point if I had half a brain I should just part it out and find a better choice to restore but in central Illinois everything around here is going to have rust from the 70's.

I tried to remove that hooks above the seat belt the way you said and it won't move. Maybe I'm not being clear as to what I am trying to remove. These are attached on the inside about 2 inches up from the seat belt retractor. Their plastic and I assume they are used to hang clothes on. Although the location of the hooks makes me wonder how this could be done and still be able to see out the side windows.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 11 2004, 07:12 PM

Gint nailed it in his previous post. Take a flat-head and lightly pry up around the base and they should begin to lift like he said. Slide them up and you're good to go at the "actual" bracket that's under those covers.

Posted by: restore2seater Nov 11 2004, 08:07 PM

When you wrote "pry up" I took that literally. I took a screwdriver like you said and pryed out away from the side and that made it possible to pry up. I guess it was just a case of terminology. Thanks for the help.

Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:45 PM

Forgot to post today's pics.


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Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:45 PM

Pans are in.


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Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:47 PM

New donuts and triangles too.


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Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:48 PM

Metal work is almost complete now.


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Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:48 PM

Rusty seal channel has all been repaired.


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Posted by: redshift Nov 15 2004, 10:53 PM

Ginty, it's not so horrible anymore... the light I see now is hopeful, whereas the light I used to see was a light... on the other side.



I have been deeded space to do mine, by a friend who is as dumb, as he is nice.

I shall overcome!


M

Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 10:57 PM

Yeah... it's startin to look like a real car again.

Posted by: redshift Nov 15 2004, 11:03 PM

Serious, you must either look at that, and go "Oh MY GOD NO!" or look at it and say... well, you can't say that here, but let's just give it the old...

DARN TOOTIN'!

So, when do you start on mine?


© m

Posted by: Gint Nov 15 2004, 11:07 PM

I won't go through this again for a long time to come. Let alone on someone else's car.

Be sure to post pics when you get started.

Posted by: redshift Nov 15 2004, 11:13 PM

Oh I will... before I touch the paint... with a little comentary about the slight rust repairs to come..



I need a camera... one with a doggone cloudy lens.




M

Posted by: krk Nov 16 2004, 01:09 AM

Mike,

Great pics -- it's gotta be pleasing to see it coming together like it obviously is!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Nov 16 2004, 06:21 PM

You're so right. I'm extremely happy with the progress of late. Even if the tub sits for a while waiting for an influx of cash, I'll be happy to have it sitting in my own garage looking all orange and purty.

I finally found the http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=15765 of Jeroen's that I've been looking for. Looking for opinions of anyone who has BTDT. Feel free to add your $.02 to that thread.

Posted by: Gint Dec 22 2004, 11:37 PM

Wurth undercoat schiznit stuff applied. I hear the underside is already Tangerine. I'll have to wait until Sunday to see it and get more pics.

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 22 2004, 11:41 PM

That is Beautiful !

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Dec 22 2004, 11:46 PM

Thats pure ART Mike...I am sure you are excited...

Posted by: SP9146 Dec 23 2004, 12:42 AM

Wow Mike it's almost done ;-) Seriously worst part is behind you and your car looks great.

I'm curious about the final finish for the wheel wells and underside. Did that come from the factory body color or was it painted body color and then undercoated? How are you going to do yours?

Posted by: Gint Dec 23 2004, 08:38 AM

Yup, I'm getting excited... until I get the bills. LOL The tub is 4-6 weeks from completion now.

QUOTE (SP9146 Posted on Dec 22 2004 @ 11:42 PM)

I'm curious about the final finish for the wheel wells and underside. Did that come from the factory body color or was it painted body color and then undercoated? How are you going to do yours?

The factory used undercoat much like this Wurth product that you see applied here. Then it's painted body color over the top of that. I could be wrong (I'm sure someone will correct me if necessary), but I don't believe the factory ever applied black undercoat on top of the paint in the the wheel well or pan areas. All of the cars you see like that have been "improved" by some owner somewhere.

Posted by: Root_Werks Dec 23 2004, 08:50 AM

Truly inspiring! I can't wait to see things start going back together!

Posted by: Bleyseng Dec 23 2004, 09:02 AM

QUOTE (Gint @ Dec 23 2004, 06:38 AM)

QUOTE (SP9146 Posted on Dec 22 2004 @ 11:42 PM) I'm curious about the final finish for the wheel wells and underside. Did that come from the factory body color or was it painted body color and then undercoated? How are you going to do yours?

The undercoating process was a Dealer option.

Posted by: brant Dec 23 2004, 12:36 PM

wow,

thats seriously great Mike!!!

brant

Posted by: balthazar Dec 23 2004, 02:10 PM

WOW...I had no idea you were THAT far along! I posted the stuff below before I realized...hahahaha Looks f&^$#%* awesome!!!!!!

Need any long reinforcement pieces? I have and early Brad Meyer set if you want to have a look, go here: http://pelicanparts.com/motorcity/balthazar/73_914.html pix on front page, just scroll down.

They have been stripped and covered with a coupla coats of primer. I will get some current pix up if you are interested...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 23 2004, 02:44 PM

Should I tease Gint by posting Tangerine pictures here before I send them to him?

Naaaaaaaaaa... that would be cruel

Posted by: brant Dec 23 2004, 02:51 PM

Eric,

maybe just a little one?

b

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 23 2004, 02:55 PM

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Posted by: brant Dec 23 2004, 02:58 PM

nice... nice one... ha...


hey, I'm starting to think that this is the correct color that Dr. Porsche intended all along.

b

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 23 2004, 03:03 PM

He has them all now... just waiting for the public debut.

Posted by: Doug Leggins Dec 23 2004, 03:09 PM

WOW! That tub looks fantastic!!! Way to go

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 23 2004, 05:48 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (we're waiting damn it)

Posted by: Gint Dec 23 2004, 05:54 PM

Keep yer pants on...

It will be a few hours before I can get 'em up. I have to resize all of those HUGE pics!

Still workin....

Posted by: morgan Dec 23 2004, 07:03 PM

STILL waiting

Posted by: Gint Dec 23 2004, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (morgan Posted on Dec 23 2004 @ 06:03 PM)

STILL waiting

You guys can really whine when you don't get your 914 porn! Eric is the exception. He took the pics so he's just being the antagonist.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=22448

Here ya go!

Posted by: heavydriver Dec 23 2004, 10:42 PM

Beautiful car !!!!!!!!!!!!

Now to open up my mouth and let my ignorance shine.....

How do you get primer and paint coverage on the inside of the tunnel and the heater tubes ???????

Posted by: ChrisReale Dec 23 2004, 10:47 PM

That is great Mike. I remember dropping the front suspension out of it at Brads shop. Completely different looking! It looks juicy

Posted by: rick 918-S Dec 23 2004, 10:56 PM

WCC05? Maybe that's pushing it.

Posted by: Gint Dec 23 2004, 11:04 PM

QUOTE (heavydriver Posted on Dec 23 2004 @ 09:42 PM)

How do you get primer and paint coverage on the inside of the tunnel and the heater tubes ???????

The tunnel is easy enough, inside the longs just got primer when they were open. Now they are mostly sealed up. No way you're gonna get paint in there. The factory didn't either.

QUOTE (ChrisReale Posted on Dec 23 2004 @ 09:47 PM)

That is great Mike. I remember dropping the front suspension out of it at Brads shop. Completely different looking! It looks juicy

Thanks Chris. Hard to believe huh? It was certainly a long time getting to this point.

QUOTE (rick 918-S Posted on Dec 23 2004 @ 09:56 PM)

WCC05? Maybe that's pushing it.

I doubt it. I'll be lucky if I make it without the car. I *really* need my wife to find a job. We're two months away from losing half our income.

Posted by: trekkor Dec 23 2004, 11:52 PM

Mike, It's amazing. I remember just a short time ago, lifting your tub onto that flatbed trailer in pieces and all undone.

Nice to see it getting done the right way.

Congrats on a job well done and looking foward to the finish.

KT

Posted by: gaz914 Dec 24 2004, 03:18 AM

Mike,
Thanks for the pics - one of the best Christmas presents I'll get this year

Can't wait to see the rest of the project unfold.

regards
GAZ

PS: I fell in love with the Tangerine too - the real reason I bought mine!

Posted by: watsonrx13 Dec 24 2004, 05:44 AM

Bee-U-ti-ful..... Wow Mike, it is looking great...

BTW, I assume this was the step of spraying the interior and underneath and the outside body will be painted separately, along with the doors and hoods? (I noticed the masked off areas...). Are you going to paint the top or leave it the factory black?

Congrats for doing the restoration the right way. Hope your wife finds another job soon.

Posted by: URY914 Dec 24 2004, 05:58 AM

Really great work. Now don't scratch that paint putting it all back together..



Paul

Posted by: Chris H. Dec 24 2004, 07:30 AM

HO-LY CRAP MIKE!!!!

That thing looks unbelievable. You did it up right for sure. From the pics, it certainly looks like it was worth the trouble.

Posted by: East coaster Dec 24 2004, 08:05 AM

That's freakin' awesome!!! Beautiful metal work!!!

Posted by: Peter_Hinkle Dec 24 2004, 09:46 AM

Geeze Mike, that thing really is going to come out phenomenally well. I can't wait till it gets back here now. I am here to offer up my reassembling help when the time comes. I'm sure that is going to be a very tedious, time consuming, nervous, careful, process. But, hell, putting it all back together is the fun part. /peter

Posted by: majkos Dec 24 2004, 11:37 AM

BEAUTIFUL!
Makes the wait certainly worth it!
I'm not going to volunteer to help assemble, to scared to be near it .
But will come over, help drink beer and supervise!
Congrat Mike!
Hope your wife find something soon.

Posted by: Gint Dec 24 2004, 05:13 PM

Thanks for all the great comments gang. It's been a long time comin...

QUOTE (watsonrx13 Posted: Dec 24 2004 @ 04:44 AM)

Bee-U-ti-ful..... Wow Mike, it is looking great... BTW, I assume this was the step of spraying the interior and underneath and the outside body will be painted separately, along with the doors and hoods? (I noticed the masked off areas...). Are you going to paint the top or leave it the factory black?

Yes, and no.

1) Non-polish areas have been painted as you said. Exterior panels will be done next with special effort applied to body work and paint polishing. Couldn't wait to show off the tangerine paint though.

2) You mean the targa top? It will be factory black. I'm initially going to powder coat or anodize black the roll bar and sail panel trim (I have an extra set), as well as the aluminum seal channels on the A and B pillars. Basically any stainless or aluminum that is against a large field of black anywhere on the canopy. Make sense?

Yo, local guys! Thanks! We'll have an unloading party when I get it home boys.

Posted by: Gint Dec 27 2004, 01:01 AM

I just got back from a conjugal visit with my tub. I couldn't help touching it. All of that smooth shiny paint instead of crusty, rusty panels. If I could have hugged it, I would have. Is that wrong?!?!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 27 2004, 09:40 AM

Glad you made it back safe.

Posted by: Gint Dec 27 2004, 11:53 AM

Thanks Eric. Drive went extremely well. Great weather. Did you get to see this pic? I posted it in the http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=22514&st=0

Posted by: brant Dec 27 2004, 12:00 PM

Very Nice Mike,

glad your travel went well and also sounds like the best christmas present EVER!!!!

brant

Posted by: majkos Dec 27 2004, 01:10 PM

Mike! Glad you had a great Christmas! And a safe drive.
When does your "Toy" comes to Denver?
I've notice the pedal floor area is toatlly different than a reg. 914 floor.Is this a 914/6 thing also?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Dec 27 2004, 02:00 PM

Missed that one... thanks (proud papa)

She likes Mike... (and Troy)

Posted by: Travis Neff Feb 3 2005, 12:36 PM

Bump...

Hey Gint, what's the latest?

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 3 2005, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Travis Neff @ Feb 3 2005, 01:36 PM)

Bump... Hey Gint, what's the latest?

Damn....I got the 'Topic Reply' email and got excited for new pix!

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 3 2005, 02:21 PM

My Camera literally died. I just sent it back to Nikon today.

Next week will be base primer. I'll try to get another camera to snap some pics with. Troy is working on straightening the sides. Final body prep here we come.

Posted by: Gint Feb 3 2005, 06:29 PM

Thanks for steppin in Eric.

Nasty day at work today. It doesn't help when they start talking about firing the biggest slacker - amongst 14 people who are to busy to slack much at all anyway - to "motivate" the others, it isn't a good idea to be surfing 914world.com on the job.

I haven't seen it myself since two weekends back. Troy has taken a few insurance jobs to pay the bills also. I keep telling him, The longer it takes you to finish, the better my chances of decent weather to haul it back home. So no rush."

It's gettin there. There will lots of updates to this thread when it gets close to done.

Posted by: Gint Mar 15 2005, 03:03 PM

Part of the tub is home!







Guide coat for block sanding prior to final prime and paint:

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 15 2005, 03:11 PM

Naked teener

Posted by: brant Mar 15 2005, 04:13 PM

Wow, its a beauty..
won't be long now until its all painted!

Posted by: Gint Mar 15 2005, 05:26 PM

Paint starts sometime this week!

Posted by: Ferg Mar 15 2005, 05:46 PM

Sweet, we may have to have some sort of party when she returns home to CO
Ferg

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 15 2005, 05:51 PM

Straight as an arrow...

Posted by: Gint Mar 15 2005, 07:04 PM

QUOTE

Ferg  Posted: Mar 15 2005, 04:46 PM]Sweet, we may have to have some sort of party when she returns home to CO :beerchug: Ferg

This tub's homecoming will definitely be party-worthy!

Posted by: db9146 Mar 15 2005, 07:27 PM

Looks great!!!

This may have been asked in 22 pages of posts so please excuse me but what did you use to strip the shell of the old paint and primer?

Is the paint you used a single stage or a clear-coat?

Posted by: Gint Mar 15 2005, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (db9146 Posted on Mar 15 2005 @ 06:27 PM)

Looks great!!! This may have been asked in 22 pages of posts so please excuse me but what did you use to strip the shell of the old paint and primer? Is the paint you used a single stage or a clear-coat?

Dipped and epoxy primed immediately afterwards. Single stage. If you want any more detail than that, you're gonna have to go look at the first 22 pages.

Posted by: Gint Mar 18 2005, 11:38 PM

Tub has paint!

Posted by: Lou W Mar 19 2005, 12:13 AM

It looks great. What color red is that?

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 19 2005, 12:21 AM

oh, and btw. original /6 and all, you should really also black out the front shock tower tops !!!

man, i remember how bad that car looked when it was sitting on that trailer.
it really has come a long way ...

Andy

Posted by: Gint Mar 19 2005, 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Lou W Posted: Mar 18 2005 @ 11:13 PM)

It looks great. What color red is that? :smilie_pokal:

That aint red!

It's Tangerine. Or a really reasonable facsimile.

QUOTE (SirAndy Posted on Mar 18 2005 @ 11:21 PM)

oh, and btw. original /6 and all, you should really also black out the front shock tower tops !!! man, i remember how bad that car looked when it was sitting on that trailer. it really has come a long way ...

Tell me about it.

I've never been wild about the black shock tower caps. We'll see...

Posted by: trekkor Mar 19 2005, 12:28 AM

QUOTE

bad that car looked when it was sitting on that trailer.

I remember it strapped to the flatbed after you marathon drive.

Parts in the van, rust piles left behind...

KT

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 19 2005, 06:36 AM

You are my hero...

I'll get the last patch of old paint off today, and start at filling and :: hope :: by next weekend, I should be ready for my first stab at primer...

Looks fantastic...keep it up man.

Posted by: Gint Mar 19 2005, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (CptTripps Posted on Mar 19 2005 @ 05:36 AM)

You are my hero... I'll get the last patch of old paint off today, and start at filling and :: hope :: by next weekend, I should be ready for my first stab at primer... Looks fantastic...keep it up man.

I'm just paying the bills for the metal and paint work. You're actually doing yours yourself. Your the hero man...

Here's another pic for ya. This one looks more like what the color really looks like. Reds and oranges are so hard to get decent color pictures of.






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Posted by: db9146 Mar 19 2005, 10:56 PM

Please excuse the stupid question but I've been wondering about it for a long time and haven't really had the chance to ask someone who's actually dipped a car.

When you acid dip a car, the solution goes all over the place, inside and behind, in areas that will never see the light of day and that you also won't be able to get to with primer unless you dip the car in primer (i.e. inside the windshield frame, the longitudnals, etc.). Since you don't dip prime a car, how do you prevent the windshield frame and the rest of these areas from rusting from the inside out?

Posted by: db9146 Mar 19 2005, 10:57 PM

BTW, GREAT PAINT.....WOW!!!!!

Posted by: McMark Mar 19 2005, 11:23 PM

I've heard of places that dip in a zinc bath.

IMHO, it's not really necessary unless you're planning on driving your car underwater. Those areas might get superficial surface rust, but without a significant source or moisture they're not going to rust significantly. It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 20 2005, 12:10 AM

I agree with the 'writing checks' thing. I think I'll be doing it that way next time!

Speaking of next time: I'll be dipping the tub on my next 914 (whatever engine I end up with)

Just seems like a MUCH better place to start. This paint removal is for the birds!

Did you paint that yourself in the driveway/garage?

Posted by: Gint Mar 20 2005, 10:15 AM

QUOTE (db9146 Posted on Mar 19 2005 @ 09:56 PM)

When you acid dip a car, the solution goes all over the place, inside and behind, in areas that will never see the light of day and that you also won't be able to get to with primer unless you dip the car in primer (i.e. inside the windshield frame, the longitudnals, etc.). Since you don't dip prime a car, how do you prevent the windshield frame and the rest of these areas from rusting from the inside out?

Cut apart a 914 sometime. Those areas "that will never see the light of day" don't tend to rust. As Mark said, they get some superficial surface rust, but nothing that ends up structural.

QUOTE (CptTripps Posted on Mar 19 2005 @ 11:10 PM)

I agree with the 'writing checks' thing. I think I'll be doing it that way next time! Speaking of next time: I'll be dipping the tub on my next 914 (whatever engine I end up with)Did you paint that yourself in the driveway/garage?

I'm writing the checks, remember? Troy's shop is behind his house. He has a rather large garage attached to the house though in which one side is setup for exclusive use as a paint booth.

IF I ever do this again, it will be soda blasted and not acid dipped.

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 21 2005, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Gint @ Mar 20 2005, 11:15 AM)

IF I ever do this again, it will be soda blasted and not acid dipped.

Why is that? Just curious...

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 21 2005, 09:11 AM

there are a number of areas that have 2,3, and maybe more layers of metal sandwiched together. the raw ends got sealent smeared over them to close and seal the gap. my guess is the dip method would remove all of it. you would be leaving lots of exposed seams(many you couldn't get to now) for the rust to do its thing all over again, in areas that were fine previously.

kevin

Posted by: Gint Mar 21 2005, 10:01 AM

Do a search Doug. We've discussed this to death in the past. There is at least one and maybe more threads in the last 12 months for sure where it was discussed ad nauseum.

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 22 2005, 11:23 PM

QUOTE (Gint @ Mar 21 2005, 11:01 AM)

Do a search Doug. We've discussed this to death in the past. There is at least one and maybe more threads in the last 12 months for sure where it was discussed ad nauseum.

Yeah, I usually do a search too....just looking for the Cliff-Notes version. (Do they even still have those?)

rhodyguy answered my question...thats all I was looking for...

Posted by: Gint Mar 23 2005, 05:50 AM

Sorry, I just didn't want to yak it to death here in my progress thread. I like the soda blast because it's non-caustic, and unlike sand, the leftovers can be rinsed away and dissolved with water. So you won't have acid seepage, or sand flying around in the foreseeable future after your resto is complete.

But, what the hell? Live and learn right?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 23 2005, 09:12 AM

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It's Tangerine. Or a really reasonable facsimile.

I'll guarantee ya'll... that's as Tangerine as it gets. I followed the color match process. Troy is neurotic about that kinda stuff.

My original "Canary Yellow" was found under the headlight cover. It took nearly a week to get it just right. Jim Chambers can weigh in on that being Canary Yellow...

Gint's paint "really" went on well (only 3-4 big runs).

Seriously, Troy was really pleased with the way it laid out. I'll bet he's blocked it out by now. I'll try to stop by with the the Nikon today. This tub will be stunning.

Andy, shock towers were hand painted black with little care given to the process. That will be a fun one to match. I don't recall from mine but I'm nearly certain it was done "after" the suspension was set. I seem to recall paint on the mounts. Maybe someone can weight in with a picture of the -6 shock tower.

Who's next...? Qarl, how bout we bring that tub up here? Jim? Sean?

Troy and I were discussing a chop-top teener. We were talking about taking 1.5 to 2" out of it. I think it would be the cats-@ss. Who's game?

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 23 2005, 09:19 AM

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Mar 23 2005, 10:12 AM)

Troy and I were discussing a chop-top teener.  We were talking about taking 1.5 to 2" out of it.  I think it would be the cats-@ss.  Who's game?

Damn...I was keeping that idea a secret for my next one! Glad to see great minds think alike!

That should be a different thread though...

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Mar 23 2005, 10:19 AM

I think the camera lied somewhat in pics of the canary yellow six and Gint's tangerine. I agree that the recent tangerine pics don't look quite right. My yellow didn't look right in some of the pics either. It looks different and dead-on correct up close and personal. Eric and Troy do good work.

edit: just looked back, the posts on the 18th look a little too pink. The post on the 19th looks real tangerine to me.

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Mar 23 2005, 10:23 AM

Tangerine applied in Stuttgart in 1971.


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Posted by: Gint Mar 23 2005, 09:04 PM

You can't take pictures with two different cameras ('specially digi-cams) of an orange or red car and have them look the same. The same goes for viewing orange or red cars on two different computer monitors/video cards. That's just the way it is.

Talked to Troy today. The tub is basically for all intents and purposes - done. We have tentative plans for me to pick it up the weekend of 4/9-10. You gonna be around that weekend Eric?

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 23 2005, 10:02 PM

It's gorgeous

It needs to have a final polish but even without it, your car is stunning. Way to go Gint

I should be around, unless I have to go to Frankfurt.

I think you should wait, pickup the tub, and take it to WCC.

Posted by: Gint Mar 23 2005, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Mar 23 2005, 09:02 PM)

It's gorgeous It needs to have a final polish but even without it, your car is stunning.  Way to go Gint  :beer2: I should be around, unless I have to go to Frankfurt. I think you should wait, pickup the tub, and take it to WCC.  :D

Ain't a snowball's chance in hell I'll make it to WCC. Especially with this tub.

Posted by: Gint Apr 10 2005, 09:25 PM

The tub has come home! It's been a long time comin. It's a whole lotta tangerine, and it's gorgeous! When I finally get it remove from the "ark" (as my trailer and "box" have been dubbed), I'll post some pics.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=28620&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=28981


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Posted by: brant Apr 11 2005, 08:51 AM

congrats that is awesome.
can't wait to see it
brant

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 11 2005, 08:57 AM

You are a brave man putting that beauty in a wooden trailer. I'd have had someone with one of those 'race-car' trailers go get it!

Can't wait to see how she goes together!

Posted by: gopack Apr 11 2005, 11:06 AM

Looks like the ark had IT'S targa top put on when the weather got nasty! I guess the soft top didn't make it! I'm glad you got home OK, and it was a pleasure meeting you in SLC saturday!

Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (brant @ Apr 11 2005, 08:51 AM)

congrats that is awesome. can't wait to see it brant

You can! I'm going to need some help mounting trunk lids and doors pretty soon.

QUOTE (CptTripps Posted: Apr 11 2005 @ 08:57 AM)

You are a brave man putting that beauty in a wooden trailer. I'd have had someone with one of those 'race-car' trailers go get it! Can't wait to see how she goes together!

I don't know why. Heavier, taller lighweight aluminum enclosed trailer vs. lighter, 4' shorter version that I built myself. I wouldn't hesitate to drive this thing across country. Especially if going across Wyoming on I80. Always windy.

QUOTE (gopack Posted: Apr 11 2005 @ 11:06 AM)

Looks like the ark had IT'S targa top put on when the weather got nasty! I guess the soft top didn't make it! I'm glad you got home OK, and it was a pleasure meeting you in SLC saturday!

Thanks Mark! The tarp was pretty beat up after the first hundred miles or so.

Good meeting all of you guys too. As I said in the dinner post, my only regret is that I couldn't spend more time talking to all of you. I was pretty nervous about getting the tub and the parts all packed up and safe to chat too much though.

Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:39 PM

This morning after arriving home yesterday evening. The snow stopped during the night. I had over a foot of snow on the front lawn.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:40 PM

What a difference a day makes. This was 4 hours later (around 11:00 a.m.)


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Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:42 PM

Safe and sound with not so much as a drop of water on it.


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Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:43 PM

Shar's checkin out the bright work...


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Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:44 PM

I can't get a good shot of this little "rasberry" on one of the headlight doors. It happened during transit. I don't know how the hell it happened wrapped up in a blanket.

Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (Gint @ Apr 11 2005, 07:44 PM)

I can't get a good shot of this little "rasberry" on one of the headlight doors. It happened during transit. I don't know how the hell it happened wrapped up in a blanket.

Forgot the pic.


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Apr 11 2005, 07:45 PM

Repeat after me...

I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...
I will never drive this Six in the Rain...

Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (bowlsby @ Apr 11 2005, 07:45 PM)

Repeat after me... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain... I will never drive this Six in the Rain...

You know, I probably won't unless I get caught in it.

BTW - I hope to get this harness to you before WCC Jeff.

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 11 2005, 08:23 PM

That thing looks amazing...

What's the next step? Engine?? Interior??

Looking great man.

Posted by: Gint Apr 11 2005, 10:37 PM

Thanks Doug. Wait till you see some shots of the tub after I get it out of the trailer. Suspension and seals first. The wiring harness will have to go back in after that and before much else does. Bits and pieces after that. Motor will get at least a top end refresh. Carbs are going to get a full rebuild and throttle shaft rebush. $$$ will be the limiting factor. The reconstruction will take at least all summer, and it could very well be much longer depending on availability of funds.

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 12 2005, 09:04 AM

Doens't it suck when you are at the end of things you can pay other people to do, and have to start getting modivated to do them your self. I always hate that part!

My 'Next one' (we all have one of those in our head) will be a lot like the route you are going. I'm interested to see how it all goes together.

Thanks for the great pics...keep up the good work.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Apr 12 2005, 09:42 AM

I like the door shot. I was talking about how straight it was in another thread. If you look at the drywall tape seams in the reflection, you can see how straight that door is. Sharon's reflection is... Sharon's reflection. Almost like a mirror.

Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 06:34 PM

Been busy today; The tub came out of the ark! And I sold off my trailer too. Thanks to Brant, Ferg, Scott S and Kevin (and my gorgeous understanding loving wife who might read this and provide more moola) for coming over to help me enjoy the moment despite the snow and spit from mother nature. I'll get some more pics out later when I can get them all resized. Here's a teaser.

Time for sushi and sake to celebrate. I'm starvin.


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Posted by: Eric_Shea May 1 2005, 06:39 PM

When I checked out the Denver weather forcast I kinda figured you had to be doing something on your car.

Gint + New Tub = Snow

Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ May 1 2005, 06:39 PM)

When I checked out the Denver weather forcast I kinda figured you had to be doing something on your car. Gint + New Tub = Snow

I can't friggin win with this tub and the weather. If I'm pulling it out of dry storage somewhere, you can pretty much count on some form of precipitation, usually snow.

But it really looks sweet!

Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:35 PM

Alrighty then...

The modular ark comes apart. Shar helped me get the top off and the tarp underneath was holding a good deal of water. But none of it hit the tub!


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:36 PM

Shar also helped me remove the walls and the nose cone. Too bad I sold off the trailer. This superstructure worked really well. I could have saved it all and used it for god know what.


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:36 PM

The reveal!


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:37 PM

Shiny!


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'nother


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derriere


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:40 PM

xcv


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:41 PM

Starting to snow... again.


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:41 PM

ewr


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:42 PM

That's Ferg checkin it out.


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Posted by: Gint May 1 2005, 10:43 PM

Lousy shot, but it's the last one for now. More as work progresses. Or the weather breaks.


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Posted by: Gint May 2 2005, 08:06 AM

Busted down to page 2 and no comments huh? Should I stop posting progress pics here? Yeah, I'm fishin'...

Posted by: tat2dphreak May 2 2005, 08:10 AM

looks great man!! I didn't see the pics yesterday... I was in the garage! looks awesome!

Posted by: seanery May 2 2005, 08:44 AM

it sure is purdy mike.

Posted by: Gint May 2 2005, 08:48 AM

Thanks! I even peeked in the garage this morning before I left for work.

Must be love...

Posted by: ! May 2 2005, 08:53 AM

Ferg from the shadows......




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Posted by: CptTripps May 2 2005, 08:53 AM

I do that every morning....Angie saw me do it last week and was making fun of me for hours. "Did you kiss it goodbye?"

Your car looks awesome man....simply awesome. Looking at your finish, I wish I'd had better body skills when I was working on mine.

Posted by: Gint May 2 2005, 09:05 AM

QUOTE (CptTripps @ May 2 2005, 08:53 AM)

I do that every morning....Angie saw me do it last week and was making fun of me for hours. "Did you kiss it goodbye?" Your car looks awesome man....simply awesome. Looking at your finish, I wish I'd had better body skills when I was working on mine.

Mine was done professionally. You don't have any reason to feel bad about your work. You did a great job. In fact after seeing the progress of some members own work lately, I'm kinda inspired to try it myself also. Somebody had a roller for sale...

Posted by: xsboost90 May 2 2005, 09:11 AM

yeah i think the next one i do is getting the full treatment. Sucks getting to where you think your done and finding more rust etc to work on...

Posted by: CptTripps May 2 2005, 09:13 AM

I'll be paying someone to prep my next tub. So it looks like we'll be trading places. This is one of those things I wanted to do ONCE. I don't mind the other stuff...putting back together is the fun part for me. But Body work and painting is NOT my strong-suit.

Posted by: Root_Werks May 2 2005, 09:15 AM

Inspiring!

Posted by: trekkor May 2 2005, 09:48 AM

Really nice to see this coming together for you.

Too bad we don't have some pics of it leaving Napa last year in pieces on the flat bed.

You're almost there.

Mine goes to paint this week.

KT

Posted by: Ferg May 2 2005, 10:08 AM

Good Deal Gint!!!
Was great to see the perfection in person
Ferg.

Posted by: Doug Leggins May 2 2005, 10:48 AM

Looks fantastic!!!

I kinda know how your feeling -high on 914itis.

I also kinda know whats ahead - piece by piece-LOL!

Keep up the great work!

Posted by: Lawrence May 2 2005, 11:33 AM

Mike,

I think your roller might be the most beautiful chassis I've ever seen. I can't wait to see it finished!

-Rusty

Posted by: brant May 2 2005, 12:59 PM

Mike,

It looks amazing..

very nice

Posted by: BMartin914 May 2 2005, 01:16 PM

Looks gorgeous Mike! Can't wait to get a better look at it now that it's out of it's cocoon.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby May 2 2005, 01:39 PM

Mike, please don't mount anything to it...it looks to pristine as it is. Anything added would simply be a distraction...

Posted by: Gint May 2 2005, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (xsboost90 @ May 2 2005, 09:11 AM)

yeah i think the next one i do is getting the full treatment. Sucks getting to where you think your done and finding more rust etc to work on...

One thing I'm reasonably certain of is that this 914 is rust free. For now anyway... I'm sure it'll start very soon.

Posted by: gaz914 May 3 2005, 05:47 AM

Gint, your tub looks fantastic and I'm sure we are ALL jealous.
Can't wait to see it going together.
Keep the pics coming

GAZ

Posted by: Gint May 3 2005, 07:42 PM

We haven't seen the sun around here for almost a week (seems that way anyway). When I picked the tub up it was cloudy and crappy. When I unloaded it from the trailer it was gloomy and snowing lightly off and on.

Working last night and late work tonight afforded me an opportunity to leave work this afternoon and come home. I wanted to see this tub in the sun so badly that I inched it out of the garage and down my sloped driveway by myself.

First time in the SUN!


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Posted by: Gint May 3 2005, 07:45 PM

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Posted by: ! May 3 2005, 07:47 PM

Get some wax on it before an eagle shits on it....

BTW, looks excellent.

Posted by: Gint May 3 2005, 07:47 PM

vbc


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Posted by: Gint May 3 2005, 07:53 PM

We'd be eatin that bird for dinner...

Thanks man.

Posted by: CptTripps May 3 2005, 08:08 PM

Now you KNOW you are just doing that to make the rest of us jealous!

Stop it already...it's perfect...


...maybe one more?

Posted by: Grimstead May 3 2005, 08:41 PM

WOW!

Posted by: Gint May 4 2005, 07:01 AM

I thought you'd never ask


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Posted by: CptTripps May 4 2005, 07:06 AM

....you bastard.....

Posted by: RonD May 4 2005, 07:25 AM

It’s like jewelry.

Simply beautiful!!!!

Posted by: Eric_Shea May 4 2005, 07:57 AM

Another "Troy-Bilt" -6 hits the road.

So I take it you're happy with the results Mr. G?

Posted by: Gint May 4 2005, 08:58 AM

Happy? I'm in love!

But I do have a couple of issues. I left voice mail for Troy yesterday. It's gonna require an overnight (or two), but I'm absolutely certain that we'll get them worked out. The man does amazing work!

Posted by: Eddie Williams May 6 2005, 11:47 PM

Damn Gint....

You know, I've been debating between Diamant Silber and Blutorange.... I think you talked me into the orange... breath taking....

Look out Rich Johnson, I see a new perennial best in show car coming on. WOW!

Posted by: Gint May 7 2005, 07:40 AM

Thanks Eddie!

I'll be proud if I can come close to Rich's work by the time it's all said and done. Besides, this car is looking at a road trip to WCC06 as soon as it's finished pretty much. It will not be (just) a garage queen.

Posted by: CptTripps Jul 4 2005, 08:59 AM

Hello ... Hello ... Hello ... Hello ...


Anybody Here? ... Here? ... Here? ... Here? ...


2 Months without an update?... update? ... update? ... update? ...

Posted by: Gint Jul 4 2005, 11:08 AM

Hey man, I've been busy. I can't devote my entire life to a stupid car. LOL!

I'm on vacation. I'll post what few updates I have after I get back next week.

Go paint yer scooter yeller...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jul 4 2005, 01:44 PM

I'm with Doug...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: restore2seater Aug 23 2005, 07:49 AM

The weeks must be longer in Denver.

Posted by: Gint Aug 23 2005, 10:53 AM

QUOTE (restore2seater @ Aug 23 2005, 07:49 AM)

QUOTE (Gint @ Jul 4 2005, 09:08 AM) Hey man, I've been busy.  I can't devote my entire life to a stupid car.  LOL!   I'm on vacation.  I'll post what few updates I have after I get back next week. Go paint yer scooter yeller... The weeks must be longer in Denver.

How's that for timing. I'm ready to go on vacation again.

Too many other things to do and it was too stinky hot all through July. I've just started kinda pokin around on it again. Borke off one of the trans mounting studs in the new motor.

I'll post some pics this weekend when I roll the tub out of the garage again so I have room to work.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Aug 23 2005, 06:25 PM

QUOTE

I'll post some pics this weekend when I roll the tub out of the garage again so I have room to work.

Yada, yada, yada...

Posted by: CptTripps Aug 23 2005, 08:06 PM

We need a 'Yawn' smiley...

Want me to fly out there and finish it in a few hours for ya?

Posted by: Gint Aug 23 2005, 09:24 PM

Uuuhhhh..... No. Tanx anyway.

Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 4 2005, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (CptTripps @ Aug 23 2005, 07:06 PM)

We need a 'Yawn' smiley...

Hey Gint, wuzup wit da' rustoration? taking a little rest?

Roger

Posted by: seanery Sep 4 2005, 01:25 PM

thanks Roger

Posted by: Gint Sep 4 2005, 11:15 PM

You two () need to get married and have a few kids... That'd teach ya.

Posted by: krk Sep 5 2005, 01:46 AM

Mike,

Of all the catchup, this thread has been the best. The car looks sweet and you have a right to feel pleased with the progress! (hard to believe I'm oggling pics from the spring!)

Like the others, I too am looking forward to seeing this one on the road!

kim.

Posted by: Gint Oct 21 2007, 05:08 PM

OK, it's been 2.5 years since I brought it home. Maybe it's time to get this thing on the road. I've got almost all of the parts I need.

The paint shrunk a little and had to be sanded and buffed out again. It looks absolutely amazing!


Draggin her back home (again):







Washed it up after all of the rain and snow in the Laramie Mountains on the way home.







Pictures just don't do this thing justice.

Posted by: brant Oct 21 2007, 05:58 PM

boy it looks nice Mike.
can't wait to see it together
willing to help

Posted by: Gint Oct 21 2007, 06:03 PM

Count on it. We'll have to have a motor install party in a couple months.

Posted by: Ferg Oct 21 2007, 10:09 PM

I WAS sorta getting used to having the best paint... You had to go an ruin that for me huh.
Ferg

ps, can't wait to help

Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 22 2007, 07:59 AM

the 5 lug assems seem to be missing. what's the story?

k

Posted by: DNHunt Oct 22 2007, 08:18 AM

Cool Mike

It's got to do your heart good to have Ferg oogling your paint. That must be one fine looking job.

Looking back through this thread, there sure are a lot of people who've come and gone. It's kind of sad but, a fine looking red car makes up for it. Get her done

Dave

Posted by: Gint Oct 22 2007, 08:52 AM

You can't very well refinish the suspension with it bolted to the tub now can ya...


I had similar thoughts. I considered starting a new thread. But history is what it is...

Posted by: BMartin914 Oct 22 2007, 08:02 PM

It's actually Tangerine.

Posted by: majkos Oct 22 2007, 08:54 PM

Ginter LOVES THOSE WHEELS!

btw why are't you oogling at the paint?

Can't wait to see it in the flesh, looks purty in the pics.

Posted by: Gint Oct 24 2007, 06:32 PM

With shipping and 20% off on an order over $400 at Performance Products, I just spent $910.03 on...

RUBBER!




And I already have inner door seals, targa seal, engine seals, and a front rear trunk seal.

Posted by: Gint Oct 26 2007, 08:49 AM

I got confirmation this morning that all of the seals I ordered were in stock and have shipped.

Some folks might find this list with pricing interesting. I know I did. Also recording for posterity.

part no. item description price qty total
905442 Door Window Scraper Driver Side $7.95 1 $6.36
905443 Door Window Scraper Passenger Side $7.95 1 $6.36
912234 Inner Fuzzy Window Slot Inner Fuzzy Window Slot (On Side) $13.95 2 $22.32
912235 Outer Fuzzy Window Outer Fuzzy Window Slot (Screws On) $52.95 2 $84.72
902398 Clutch & Brake Pedal Pads Clutch/Brake Pad (2 Required) $4.95 2 $7.92
905438 Outer Door Seal (On Door) Driver Side $104.95 1 $83.96
905439 Outer Door Seal (On Door) Passenger Side $104.95 1 $83.96
905433 Rear Window To Engine Seal $46.95 1 $37.56
905432 Rear Trunk Seal (Rear Portion) $76.95 1 $61.56
905457 Eyebrow Rubber Grommets $2.95 6 $14.16
905429 Front Hood Seal $149.95 1 $119.96
905430 Front Bulkhead Seal $75.95 1 $60.76
905447 Windshield Lower Seal $97.95 1 $78.36
905434 Rollbar Side Seal Driver Side $74.95 1 $59.96
905435 Rollbar Side Seal Spend $400 get 20% off Passenger Side $74.95 1 $59.96
902409 Hood Stop Spend $400 get 20% off $1.95 4 $6.24
905452 Hardtop Front Inner Seal Spend $400 get 20% off $9 4.95 1 $75.96

Sub Total $870.08
Tax $0.00
Shipping $39.95
Total $910.03

Posted by: Gint Oct 28 2007, 10:14 AM

Thanks to Kevin and Danny the front and rear suspension is ready for bead blasting and powder coating. We managed to strip the front and rear control arms of bearings and bushings in 90 minutes yesterday at Kevin's I'll post some pics later after today's 914 mountain run.

Posted by: Gint Oct 30 2007, 07:41 PM

Here it is...

Gonna take a while to get this junk cleaned up.


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Posted by: Gint Oct 30 2007, 07:49 PM

Went for a drive with friends Sunday.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=77608


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Posted by: Gint Oct 31 2007, 06:50 PM

The new seals came in yesterday. All in great condition and received promptly and professionally. Installed the rear trunk seal yesterday. Looks good...

Posted by: majkos Oct 31 2007, 06:57 PM

What NO PICTURES!?

Posted by: Joe Pita May 12 2009, 07:29 PM

Hi Mike ,
i just picked up a 914-6 roller and will be fun to put together.
this is my fouth 914-6 from ground up so is you need any help .
email me .

good luck

Joe.

Posted by: Gint Mar 9 2011, 01:44 PM

Pretty nice weather today so I took the afternoon off. I could use a break.

I believe this is one of the oldest restoration threads on 914world. Might be time to resuscitate it. Lots of memories in this thread. Good times... Has it really been 8 years since I took this thing apart? If I ever get the new garage organized I will finally have some room to start on this project. Something other than collecting parts that is.

Posted by: brant Mar 9 2011, 02:42 PM

last weekend I was thinking about your car
I think we bought tangerine's on the same weekend back when...
definitely time to see this thread again!

brant

Posted by: Ferg Mar 9 2011, 03:32 PM

Aaagh, my eyes! There is dust on it!

Ferg

Posted by: Gint Mar 9 2011, 03:36 PM

Come over and clean it Ferg! It has a couple of chips too...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 9 2011, 06:51 PM

I dare you to bolt something on it... tonight.

Posted by: majkos Mar 9 2011, 07:38 PM

at least get sumthin' done before you visit,heh Cuz?

Double Dare!

Posted by: Gint Mar 9 2011, 09:58 PM

Yeah, that won't work. Shar and I went across town for dinner tonight. Picked up some used CD's from Twist & Shout while I was down there.

I did fix the tach on the zambeziteen though. Now I can drive it the rest of the week when it's 60 out and have some idea how fast I'm going (speedo cable is shot).

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 9 2011, 10:09 PM

...was worth a try.

Posted by: Series9 Apr 5 2011, 07:27 AM

I was wondering what ever happened to this build, so I went looking.

I've got to say Gint.




Send it to me. You can drive it home in six months.

Posted by: Gint Apr 5 2011, 08:02 AM

Appreciate that Joe, but the I won't be sending a car off to either coast again any time soon.

Keeping your project in a 18x20 box loaded with every other piece of junk you own while raising three kids can really put a damper on your 914 project progress. Those in a similar situation will no doubt understand. I have room now, but doesn't it figure that now I have a 50+ hour a week job. But without a doubt, it'll get some action this summer for sure.

Posted by: Series9 Apr 5 2011, 08:08 AM

That's fine. I understand.......but.....

It's been SIX YEARS since it came home from paint.

Porsche built every 914 ever made in the same time frame.

Posted by: Gint Apr 5 2011, 08:10 AM

They had more room, more time, more resources, and more money.

Posted by: Scott Schroeder Apr 5 2011, 09:18 AM

Cr@p - you just made me feel reaaaalllly old Joe! I remember clearly when that car came home in the ark! Has it really been that long? Ugh.

Looking forward to seeing the new digs this week Gint

Posted by: porsche_dreamer Jun 21 2011, 10:18 PM

I hate to do it but im bringing back an old thread. I love reading through this build. Any progress?

Posted by: Gint Jun 22 2011, 05:22 AM

I'm still collecting parts. We need a part hoarder smiley.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jun 22 2011, 06:48 AM

I can totally relate to collecting parts. Just bought a very clean, complete stock rear sway bar this morning with all the hardware.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 4 2012, 10:06 PM

Pretty please? Just 30 minutes a week?

Posted by: Socalandy Mar 4 2012, 11:08 PM

Holy crap, how did I miss this thread

Bad ass!!!

Posted by: Bleyseng Jul 22 2012, 06:45 AM

Make some time for it! Send the kids off to Grandma's for a month along with the wife and work on the car with friends, drink lots of beer, BBQ some ribs and make some progress.

Posted by: Gint Jul 22 2012, 11:12 AM

I appreciate the thought. As soon as you start doing my work Geoff I'll start on that program. I was at the office from 7 am to 9 pm yesterday (Saturday).

Posted by: shoguneagle Oct 21 2012, 06:18 AM

Was this thread started somewhere back eons ago?? Stone Age?? LOL

I do remember this car and the thread including the great adventure driving through a snow storm. Snow storm, hell, it was a down right blizzard!!!!

I totally enjoyed every event Mike has gone through concerning this car and I just know someday in the future it will be completed. It caused me to start a replica 914-Sixer project which is now on the road, not completed, but running and licensed. I do know how everything seems to take precident over car projects.

Congratulatons on the project thus far and please post to it whenever so we can be informed.

Great Job thus far!

Steve Hurt

Posted by: mr914 Oct 22 2012, 04:19 PM

I forgot about this thread.

Been too long since an update...


Raises a couple of questions...

Is the welding In of late style seat belt recesses safe? Hate to find out when really necessary and found out that I

Confession. I've got a project that is way less bad, and I'm nowhere near as complete as this one, after 4 years of procrastination, I'm a year away from the body shop...

Good summer of and what? No grind smilies?


Feel like I'm flogging a thought I was going to be ready in 2006...

keep up the progress!

Posted by: Gint Oct 22 2012, 05:28 PM

Suspension will be done soon.

Posted by: Joe Sharp Oct 22 2012, 05:40 PM

I was affraid to ask and now that you are I'll just have to say it.
Holly Shit Mike is working on 2 cars.

Posted by: majkos Oct 23 2012, 05:52 AM

Touche'

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 9 2013, 01:29 PM

Resurrected from the depths of the build threads. Just read the whole thing! nice project Mike.

Posted by: MoveQik Apr 9 2013, 03:06 PM

Only a few days shy of it's 10 year anniversary! That has to be close to a record for a documented build thread. I think 2013 should be the year Mike.

Posted by: turdo Jun 20 2013, 10:26 AM

what would you say the technical term is for the "dipping and priming".. where did you have it done?

id like to see if theres someone who can do that in my area. (kansas)

Posted by: rsrguy3 Feb 27 2014, 03:17 PM

OMG WTF!

Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2014, 05:30 PM

Going up in value every year. Nice!

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 27 2014, 07:44 PM

he bought a 911

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 27 2014, 07:47 PM

I loved this thread in 2005...and I still love it now. Wish the car was done though...

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 27 2014, 10:08 PM

Just re-read this. Nice car there Mr. Summer build party?

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 28 2014, 10:14 AM

I was thinking about that the other day. If you had a clean tub, and absolutely every part needed, how long do you think it'd take 5-6 914 guys to get the car on the road? Could it be done in a weekend? Day? Afternoon?

That's be a blast though.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 28 2014, 10:22 AM

It's been done - http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=101614&hl=tribute

Posted by: TJB/914 Feb 28 2014, 10:56 AM

Hi Mike,
I was wondering about your 914-6 project. We all wish we had a 914-6 in our garage. Don't rush the project.
Tom

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 28 2014, 01:28 PM

Just bring it back... we'll finish it for ya!

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 28 2014, 08:32 PM

best offer yet, and you can keep driving youre 911

Posted by: mepstein Feb 28 2014, 08:37 PM

Leave Gint alone.