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Posted by: jimkelly Apr 29 2011, 04:15 PM

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Posted by: tod914 Apr 29 2011, 04:22 PM

These guys are some of the best in the industry. Paterek Brothers 13 Commerce St, Chatham, NJ 07928 | 973-635-5924

Quite a hit it took. Hope the driver is ok.

Posted by: sww914 Apr 29 2011, 04:23 PM

Call Craig Smith in Morro Bay, Ca. He's a full-on 356 guru, he works on them every day and he owns a 356 GT, he'll know who's the best. He also builds those cut down 6 cylinder engines, the Polopolis or whatever they're called. He may want to fix it himself, I'm not sure. (805)772-3021

Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 29 2011, 04:53 PM

Bruce Baker, in Collegeville, PA.
Paterek be good too, no question.

Bruce _might_ be a little less pricey and I have seen Carreras in his shop on numerous occasions. Also an internationally recognised restorer...

Posted by: MDG Apr 29 2011, 05:10 PM

Paterek's are renowned 356 guys. If that's a real Carrera he's going to want to take it somewhere who specializes. That car has more than rear end damage. I'd bet the longs, floors, center tunnel all got bent in that. from the front end damage it looks like he got sandwiched?

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Apr 29 2011, 05:16 PM

The noise you hear is the insurance company committing suicide ................

The Cap'n

Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 29 2011, 06:16 PM

Look - I don't want to play My Expert Can Beat Up Your Expert...

Bruce does only 356's and has for many (30?) years.
I've seen his Cellette bench.
He's done Manhattan Trophy and Pebble Beach cars.

None of the specialists are cheap and they all have waiting lists.
It's good to have options...

http://www.bbakerent.com/index.php/Main_Page

Posted by: r_towle Apr 29 2011, 06:21 PM

Have him call me.
I will buy it if he decides it is to much of a project to deal with.
I can also find him another one.

rich

Posted by: jimkelly Apr 29 2011, 06:44 PM

the new owner is a local car dealer and porsche enthusiast - he has a beck spider in his showroom for $20k - he just bought this car in this condition.

Posted by: r_towle Apr 29 2011, 06:47 PM

Bruce Baker.
Be prepared to wait...
He is one of the best on the east coast.

Rich

Posted by: edrotol Apr 29 2011, 07:34 PM

I agree with the responses so far as to folks that can help him - he has to be prepared however to be sent to different folks to do different things - who for the body - who for the engine - who for other things. Which brings me to my concern.

Having been a 356 enthusiast for more than 30 years - owned varying years , models, etc, but never Carreras - if you must ask, i do have a 76 914 2.0 now as my only one left - shows you where my loyalty is today - with all due respect to the owner, did he not research all of this before he bought this as is? You just do not buy a Carrera and afterwards research who can do the work for any part of it as the experts are now few and far between. While everybody can work on the pushrod engine connected to the 356, the carrera mechanics builders are just too few and as such very expensive not to mention the parts, etc. If he did his research he would not have asked you as he would have known already the very small but dedicated Carrera community in his head, Paterak, Doyle, Singer, etc, etc.

While I am on this this rant I question whether he has a real one - which the pictures can sort of say yes but not entirely - and a nameplate that says Carrera a Carrera it does not make. Behind that louvered lid is a four cam 4 distributor solex carbureted hard to work on but a screaming monster. If that engine was in there what a hit that car took in terms of replacement monies. There were no other appropriate pictures but there are oil lines inside the fenders, no grilles in the front, a loud megaphone type exhaust, in some instances a Carrera rear skirt, etc, etc, that makes a Carrera a unique one.

Anyway my good luck to him, i sympathesize with him, he probably paid a mint for it even at that condition, and he will have one hell of a more than approximately $300,000 car at the very least when finished

The advise by the way from above, and especially to the newbies, which is probably late by now for you, I hope you researched and research, ans asked and asked. Believe me, as ask me why I know, you will be very very happy in the end.
(If you need to ask, my first 366 was a rust bucket of a 1960 Super 90 that I did not know anything about except I wanted a 356 - how things changed after that)

Ciao.

Posted by: jimkelly Apr 29 2011, 08:03 PM

i was driving home from showing some homes and saw this 356 on a tow truck and swung around and pulled in to ask if i could take some pics - we talked some - and i merely told him i may be able to offer him some suggestions - not knowing whether he knew these shops you guys know or not. he also gave a me a copy of the may 2011 delaware porsche club newsletter and suggested i come to some events with my 914. i was just trying to offer a few possibilties he may or may not have been aware of. thanks guys : )

Posted by: Scarlet75 Apr 29 2011, 08:06 PM

Such a nice looking car

Posted by: dlestep Apr 29 2011, 08:14 PM

...throttle-lift oversteer or 1956 Buick Roadmaster ?

Posted by: mrdkrantz Apr 29 2011, 08:19 PM

I know this guy he owns

European Coach Werkes
36081 Zion Church Road, Frankford, DE 19945
(302) 436-2277 ‎

He tuned up my 914 years ago ran great. He always had 356 in the shop, for sale on the lot, awaiting restoration in the yard, and parted-out in the weeds...
He was big in the DE PCA seen. I haven't had him do work for awhile but he is still in business.

that is if it is the same guy that owns the shop where the pics were taken

http://www.europeancoachwerkes.com/index.html

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Apr 29 2011, 08:23 PM

I used to work at a shop with a large Carrera clientele. There are things about the dash that make me think it's not one, but I could be wrong. There's no valence showing in the back, and the oil tank is where it took the hit. A conspicuous lack of oil there. From what I can see of the exhaust under the car, something's not quite right, either. I haven't been around too many 4 cammers since I left Porschop in 1977, though, and I could be wrong.

The Cap'n

Posted by: dlestep Apr 29 2011, 08:30 PM

I feel the same about the rear, but I think that it is a 356B Carrera 2, 1.6
In 1963, the model was split...with the 2.0 liter Carrera 2 on the C model, if I remember correctly, which had the vertical slits.

Posted by: MDG Apr 29 2011, 08:45 PM

Here's the dash out of a 62 GS Carrera 2 for sale in Connecticut for $250k




And sadly, from the look of the right rear corner and the way the centre rear has been punched in bending the window opening out . . . if it came from the factory with one of these you can bet it doesn't look like this anymore

Posted by: Spoke Apr 29 2011, 09:16 PM

Kristian at Klasse356 does phenomenal 356 work here in Allentown.

Posted by: jimkelly Apr 30 2011, 06:07 AM

yup - ECW

supposedly - car was hit in rear by truck on public street.

Posted by: scotty b Apr 30 2011, 07:43 AM

Carrera or not, it makes no difference in the repair process as far as the body. Engine is another story. Hit like that in the rear the engine os probably inn serious need of a new case and some internals $$$$$$$$$$ A car hit like that needs to go to an WELL experienced frame man with the 356 jigs. Your typical restoration shop will be not be able to handle that unless they are as some said a 356 specialist with a Cellete or similar frame machine to get it back to spec.

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 30 2011, 11:25 AM

Ya, not to mention the transaxle was very likely pitched back into the chassis and shift rod. Very expensive hit but very repairable with the right approch.

Posted by: Jake Raby Apr 30 2011, 07:46 PM

To be a Carrera it's missing two switches on the dash... Is that what you were looking for, cap'n ??

Posted by: Tom_T Apr 30 2011, 08:22 PM

I've been a firm believer to NEVER put a Pcar or collectable on one of those whelle yoke nor on old school lift type tow trucks - only on a flat bed & insist on one & be willing to wait on it. This "tow job" (read "blow") may have caused even more damage on the underside & increased the damage to a verey valuable 356 variant.

Very dumb to tow it with that rig IMHO!

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 30 2011, 09:32 PM

I know my guy, at Wills Werks has a Cellete bench and does only 356 work and restorations. Karosserie is right across from his shop, so if those guys can't fix it, they'd know who can. But the are in Fairfax,VA so it's not exactly close to DE.