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Posted by: seanery Apr 20 2003, 11:07 AM

This seems cheap and made me wonder what is involved and has anyone done it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411950702&category=33615

Let's hear it engineering-type people!!!

Posted by: anthony Apr 20 2003, 11:21 AM

Last we heard, Brad said he was working on it. It sounds like a great solution for 914s and should be alot more economical than a 911 six + 915 transmission.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 20 2003, 11:25 AM

Yes, but some of us don't want to lug around all that water in the car. I'll stay aircooled and dream of a 3.6L.
Geoff

Posted by: boxstr Apr 20 2003, 11:37 AM

I have to agree with Geoff, I'll stick with my Boxster to haul that motor and H2O , and my 914-6 to haul that motor and oil around.
The Boxster motor on ebay is a 97, one of the years that had the problems , my 98 had the noise problem and was reoplaced free by PCNA. I would rather search for a newer motor 2000+ to stuff in another car.
CCLINCAMP914

Posted by: Mueller Apr 20 2003, 11:43 AM

Decent price, but the rust on the flywheel,clutch and bottom of the bellhousing is odd. Also the way everything was taken off and thrown in box, who knows how much little things are going to be missing.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 20 2003, 11:50 AM

I'd rather do this swap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411551867&category=33615

This would be a cool swap. The transmission could be used as is, but I'd remove the endhousing unit used to drive the rear wheels when installed in the original car.

If you look closly at the transmission, it has drive outputs on the side just like our transmissions.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 20 2003, 12:21 PM

I will do it and the car will be driven to this years MUSR from SF.

Porsche didnt let any of the bad engines be sold from the dealerships..so this one had to have been replaced if there where any issues with it.

This one semi worries me.... the brain is gone. The engine wont start with another brain. I would have to try and get one that was coded..

I can buy a complete setup for 5k right now with brain and I pull it out of the car. I'm trying to clear my plate so I can get started on the project.

The 2.5's have a throttle cable... everything after that is fly by wire.. I would rather deal with the throttle cable.

I welcome comments on this... water doesnt scare me.. never has. I dont see a way to get 225hp in a 914 any cheaper.

B

Posted by: TimT Apr 20 2003, 12:24 PM

Are used Boxter engines cheaper than a used 3.2?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 20 2003, 12:31 PM

I can buy 2.5 engines all day long at 3500$ (205hp) 4K for the 3.2 S engine (250hp) and 4500$ for the 3.4 996 engine (300hp) all of them bolt up to the 3 Boxster trannies.

The key is: they are all low mileage engines with 20-30k on them.

Oh.. everything I listed above is bone stock numbers. We have tested a header muffler combo worth 12-15hp.

B

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 20 2003, 12:37 PM

That was my next question, B. Do the Boxsters benefit from aftermarket exhausts just like the 911s do? I would think so since they're both from Porsche.

Anyone have any good websites that talk about problems with Boxsters? I'm on the learning path as I think one would make a great learning car for the wife and I (since the 914 won't be P-powered).

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 20 2003, 12:46 PM

Right now.. the biggest issue:

First measurements show the inside control arm ears to be very very very close to the valve covers.

Like..I may have to move them out (ok here..wifes car has GT flares and 1inch spacers right now anyway) I would narrow the shaft on the 914 control arm and move the inside ear over 1 inch.

The Boxster engine/tranny is pretty damn wide.

Jon, look for porsche petes boxster board.. or the one I frequent: boxsterracing .org or something like that.

B

Posted by: Mueller Apr 20 2003, 03:04 PM

The cam sprocket hump on one side will be really close to the trailing arm tab and on the other side; the coil-on-plug might be really close. I think while installing the engine, if you move the motor forward as far as possible and then up you will clear the tabs...then bring the motor back for mounting.

Posted by: boxstr Apr 20 2003, 06:43 PM

My 98 Boxster had 19967 miles when the motor let go,that was Dec 31 2002. If you bought a motor with low miles that was wrecked before the motor let go, well you are stuck with a very large boat anchor.
I am not saying that this job can not be done, it is just gettting a motor that is going to give you more smiles than frowns.
CCLINCAMP914

Posted by: seanery Apr 20 2003, 06:47 PM

for the money a 3.4 996 motor sounds like a decent deal.

I'm looking for a 3.2 for the race car. I am not in a big hurry though
cause it'll cause me a lot of work on the white car. I think I'm
gonna put the 2.7 from the race car in it and make a sleeper.

Do a five lug with 6x16" fuchs & boxster brakes but no body mods, etc...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 20 2003, 11:24 PM

Craig,

What are the signs that a Boxster engine is going bad ?? Most of the places I want to buy the parts from will give me a warranty. They also happen to have a ton of these sitting around....so a replacement would be pretty hassle free.

B

Posted by: boxstr Apr 21 2003, 08:54 AM

I had no signs that the engine was going bad, it just went. I read as much as I could on Porsche Petes Boxster list and the other Boxster forums. It seemed that it was pretty much the same , boom gone. I spoke with the regional director for Porsche Cars NA and he said that there were a handfull??? of cars that have had the problem in 97,98,and 99. There may have been a few in 2000, but those could have been 99 production cars with service date in 2000.
If you are getting a warranty with the motors that you are buying then I would not worry, as long as they will honor the warranty. If I were you I would look for the newest Boxster motor I could buy.
CCLINDAMPCAMP914

Posted by: boxstr Apr 21 2003, 08:58 AM

Two of the problems that the PCNA rep told me were Intermediate or cam sprocket gear coming loose, and cylinder seperation, the barrels would loosen and causing the piston top to hit the valve bending it or them and loose of compression( the problem on my Boxster).
cclindampcamp914

Posted by: r_towle Apr 21 2003, 03:57 PM

From what I heard from a Porsche Service Manager
regarding the Boxter Engine was this.

The problem with the motors was that the machine that pressed in the cylinder sleeve (which is one continuous tube in this machine) and then cut off the sleeve, was miscalibrated.

the machine was cutting off the sleeve to long (more than several 1000ths) and the fat part of the rod, where it attaches to the crank was hitting the bottom of this sleeve.

So, the crank was hitting the sleeve, driving it into the head....This is why the engines were put into boxes and shipped back to Germany...

The blocks were usually trashed, along with the heads...

Even the dealers were not allowed to take these engines apart, and if they did the warranty work, the engine went back to Germany.

So the chances you are getting a trashed engine is all dependant on where this engine came from.

If you get the serial number, call PCNA and check if it is original, or a replacement motor.

I cant remember the date, but as of a certain date, the machine was fixed and all engines sisnce have been fine as far as this problem goes...

Rich

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 21 2003, 04:52 PM

Thanks Richard.

I'll have the engine I'm eyeing checked out.

B

Posted by: L8Apex Apr 21 2003, 05:33 PM

If it's like buying used honda engines, they usually give you a "start up" warranty. which means if it starts, then it works. doesn't mean that it has to run right. haha.

A friend of mine bought one of the bad batches of E46 M3's. In the year he has owned the car, already went through 3 engines. haha. all the same problem with the blowing up rod(s). BMW dealers have been replacing all of these "internals", but not the entire engine. Strange

Posted by: seanery Apr 21 2003, 08:33 PM

killer avatar Apex!!!

Posted by: JEM Apr 21 2003, 08:49 PM

I think one of the Cayane V8's hooked up to a Boxter tranny would be more fun.
Just waiting for people to start wercking those things.

Jerry

Posted by: L8Apex Apr 22 2003, 12:12 AM

seanery

Posted by: sechszylinder Apr 22 2003, 03:29 AM

hi folks,

here comes a picture, to get an idea how it looks like, when a boxster engine is installed in a 914....

benno


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Posted by: seanery Apr 22 2003, 07:51 AM

looks really nice....more more more

Posted by: James Adams Apr 22 2003, 09:20 AM

It looks like you still need cardboard underneath to catch the oil drips!

Posted by: Chris H. Apr 22 2003, 09:31 AM

LOL! I noticed that too! Doesn't everyone have a piece of cardboard about that size under their 914?

Mine doesn't leak.... but it will.....

CH

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 09:54 AM

Twin bumper plugs ??

Look Andy... they put the F-ing lock in the middle of the rear reflector.

For a car show.. you would think they could get the license plate on straight.

B

Posted by: James Adams Apr 22 2003, 09:59 AM

It looks like that plate is held on with string!

Posted by: boxstr Apr 22 2003, 10:03 AM

With the added weight the twin bumper plugs are probably needed.
CCLINCAMP914

Posted by: Part Pricer Apr 22 2003, 10:11 AM

Does anybody have more information on this car? I'm intrigued. I found this pic of the car showing the intake ducts on the side.


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 10:16 AM

here you go.

Run the plate...

http://www.914freunde.de/Eingang.htm


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 10:19 AM

I see no radiator intakes in the front.

Benno.. help us out. Our contact them to join our BBS. It appears they are partnered with several other shops all over Germany ?


B

Posted by: Mueller Apr 22 2003, 10:19 AM

Damn I wish I knew German....I should change my name to Smith, LOL

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 10:21 AM

They hold the same events as we do... I HATE the fact that I cant speek or Fing read German..


B

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 22 2003, 11:02 AM

Check these pics (if you haven't already)
http://www.914freunde.de/Aktivitaeten/2003/classic%20mobil%2003.htm

You'll see the green car has flares and side intakes (which is prolly where they put the radiators)

Too bad there aren't more pics of the car...

Oh, the 914 chick looks good as well

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 11:13 AM

I see the side intakes.. but they are too small for radiators... the stock Boxster intake uses one of these for air.

Can you read anything else on the site that may lead us to some build pics ??

B

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 22 2003, 11:15 AM

Nope, no info what so ever...

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 22 2003, 11:46 AM

A little help.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.914freunde.de%2FEingang.htm&lp=de_en

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 22 2003, 01:10 PM

it's not a real german licenseplate
they just put that over the real plate for the show, looks like they used rubber strings ...

Andy

Posted by: Pnambic Apr 22 2003, 02:27 PM

I was going to ask about side vents, or more specifically, why don't I see them on more 914's. Admittedly new to the car, I'll be the first to concede that there is gobs of info I have yet to learn, but since the engine is air-cooled, I would have thought that side vents would help facilitate the cooling of the engine by allowing in more fresh air.

Now, I'm sure the engine compartment was designed with specific airflow dynamics in mind that I'm ignorant to, but I would imagine a well thought out side vent could be used productively.

Anyone ever try this or have any info from someone who did?

Posted by: seanery Apr 22 2003, 02:34 PM

People have tried many different things from scoops over the roof, to sail panel scoops to vents in the body panels. IMHO, they look bad, and if you have a 6 the oil tank is in between the sheet metal on the driver's side.

Posted by: anthony Apr 22 2003, 02:36 PM

The side vent thing seems like a problem that doesn't need to be solved on a 914.

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 22 2003, 02:37 PM

i've seen them done. problem is, on the drivers side, there's the relay-board in your way and if you have a /6 then the factory oil tank is in your way too. on the passanger side, the battery + tray is in your way. if you just add a flat vent to the side, it'll more likeley suck air out of your engine-comp unless you have some sort of scoop design. which will look odd on a car without flares. might work for a flared car tho. supply of fresh air is/can be a problem for race-cars. the best design (IMHO) is roger sheridan's top air intake. a scoop that is mounted on the targa top and has 2 big hoses go to the 2 air cleaners for his /6 motor. ...

http://www.ultimate914.com/

Posted by: seanery Apr 22 2003, 06:26 PM

Speaking of ducts: URY just posted this on the favorite 914 pics thread.
It looks like there may be ducts in the leading edge of the rear flare.

Anyone agree?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 07:56 PM

NO.

They where the black strips similar to what is on a 930 Turbo in front of the flare... stone guards.

My tube car hammers the rear flares with rocks from the front slicks.

B

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 25 2003, 11:13 AM

I just got this link forwarded from Toni (www.914freunde.de) with more pics of the green 914 with Boxster engine...

http://www.914freunde.de/914freunde/Oberbayern/bayobb.htm

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 25 2003, 11:14 AM

So..what do I do with it ??


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 25 2003, 11:16 AM

The green one is a factory 6 car.... or a damn good copy.


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 25 2003, 11:18 AM

I'm moving..It will only take me 2 years to be fluent in German.


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 25 2003, 11:19 AM

Oh man.. this is good.


B

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 25 2003, 11:20 AM

Ooops... my bad
On the page you get from the link, click "Hansi"
That'll take you to the green 914/boxster

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Part Pricer Apr 25 2003, 11:21 AM

The 914/Boxster is listed at: http://www.914freunde.de/914freunde/Oberbayern/Hansi.htm

That thing has some big brakes on the front



Here's a closer view of the side intakes

Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 25 2003, 11:23 AM

rally lights! hehe look pretty dopy and dim! what are they powered by- a 55 watt alternator? candles? hehe our german brothers are pioneers-

Posted by: sechszylinder Apr 25 2003, 11:42 AM

aloha,

I'm a little bit in doubt that this particular car has really a boxster power plant in it. Toni told me that the car has a carrera 2.7 engine with a boxster exhaust installed. Even without a boxster engine, that car looks damn good ...

bye ...

Benno

Posted by: Mueller Apr 25 2003, 11:47 AM

I too doubt it is running a Boxster drivetrain. The Boxster muffler is too big to run it with the Boxster transmission in the original location.

Even if you move the engine/tranny forward, it will be very close.

I'd be willing to bet, that the muffler has been significantly modified to fit in that location.

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 25 2003, 11:51 AM

Still looks kewel tho. That may be the best application of side vents I've seen on a 914.

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2003, 12:15 PM

i had those on my bug. believe me, they ARE bright. kinda yellow glow to them, but even with a relay (would anyone try to run them without?) when you switch them on, the whole electrical system cuts out for about a 1/4 of a second, them comes back on. they draw some serious amps ...

Andy

Posted by: airsix Apr 25 2003, 12:15 PM

I was surprised at how good the car looks without front flares. First car I've seen with GT flares in back and stock up front. Not bad looking.

-Ben M.

Posted by: boxstr Apr 25 2003, 12:29 PM

Notice the power window switches, also the ignition is on the left side and the wiper or turn signal lever looks 911.
Front brakes look like Boxster brakes, with drilled rotors.Definitely SCHWEET...
CCLINSUNNYCAMP914

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2003, 12:33 PM

that would make it a original /6 ...

Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 25 2003, 01:42 PM

what are the dual bumperplugs for? i thought all were sold w/ 1 on the left side?

Posted by: Mueller Apr 25 2003, 02:30 PM

Andy,

I have seen conversions with the key on the "correct" side.

That is something I'd like to do to my /4.



Maybe they added the extra bumper plug for symmetry.


Anyone know if that green is a Porsche color?

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2003, 05:23 PM

yes, but would you also switch to the early 911 (actually probably a 912) steering-column ? plus, as brad pointed out, the ignition switch in a original /6 is at a slight angle, on a /4 conversion it would not be. as you can see in the pic, the switch is in an angle ...

anyways, i think it's a original /6 which makes it even more unlikeley someone would cut it up to put a boxster engine in it ...

Andy

Posted by: jonwatts Apr 25 2003, 05:37 PM

Even this one?

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2003, 06:37 PM

yepp, even this one

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2003, 06:39 PM

btw. jon, you better get used to the rusty exterior. after that rainstorm and hail we just drove through, it looks like i wasn't kidding when i said your car looks like a swimming-pool