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Posted by: MarkV Apr 22 2003, 05:50 PM

Anybody have any experience w/ these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411420014

I have 5,000 miles on a rebuild: web cam & lifters, guides & valves, bearings. Original P&C's looked good so they were honed & re-ringed. The rings will not seat. The car smokes & uses a quart of oil w/ a tank of gas.

I have to take it apart and replace the P&C's and don't want to use anything that is of questionable quality. Maybe better off just ordering a set of flattop German 94's.
Seems like there aren't many choices for P&C's.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 05:52 PM

Mueller has them in his new engine.

They are sold by a company here in SanFran. I know a lot of engine builders that use P+C's from the manufacturing company with very good luck.

The price is decent.. but let Mueller give you the contact info for the people directly.

B

Posted by: MarkV Apr 22 2003, 11:10 PM

I asked the seller where they are made.

Same country that Kieth Black,Federal Mogaul and more are made,China.

I guess not much comes from good old USA anymore.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 11:15 PM

I knew they where Chinese. Mueller had a problem with a broken fin when his arrived and they replaced it without much hassle if I recall correctly.

Several BIG TIME engine builders in LA use these P+C's.

B

Posted by: ChrisReale Apr 22 2003, 11:19 PM

Shit, Chinese pistons? Any feedback on durability? I know some Mahle's are made in Brazil, and the rev-limiting rotor I just bought (Bosch) was made in Spain...what happened to German made? I know, too expensive...labor costs

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 22 2003, 11:24 PM

They have been selling these for at least 10 years if not more. If there was a big problem we would have already heard about it. Almost every single rebuilt VW Type1 engine and Type4 engine coming out of the big name rebuilders....uses these P+C's.

B

Posted by: airsix Apr 23 2003, 12:22 AM

Oh I don't know. Sadam and Co. are familliar with some of our top-of-the-line products from companies like General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin Aerospace, Boeing Aircraft/McDonnell Aircraft and Missile Systems, and Raytheon Corp. to name just a few.

-Ben M.

Posted by: MarkV Apr 23 2003, 12:32 AM

Ben,

I stand corrected.

Not very many low-tech cast iron automotive parts are made in the good old USA anymore. LOL

Posted by: silver six Apr 23 2003, 12:36 PM

Great. So the rest of the world makes car parts and we make machines that kill people. Not something to brag about.

The Lone Liberal,

Douglas

Posted by: Mueller Apr 23 2003, 01:06 PM

Mark,

AA Automotive Products. (415) 752-2075,
450 2nd Ave, San Francisco, CA 94118

Posted by: need4speed Apr 23 2003, 01:10 PM

Yay Lockheed!

JDAMs don't kill people. People kill people.

(not the weapon manufacturer's fault that their products are used irresponsibly. I'm all for licensing and background checks for thes idiot politicians)

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 23 2003, 01:18 PM

No, there is Andy and myself on the BBS. Long as you don't start talking crap like Alfred/Jeff you will be fine here.
Geoff

Posted by: seanery Apr 23 2003, 01:33 PM

I think I hear a heart bleeding somewhere....

Posted by: Eddie Williams Apr 23 2003, 01:40 PM

If you listen to some liberals, cars and their associated parts are just as bad as bombs, as far as being people killing machines. And a danger to the environment as well.

Posted by: J P Stein Apr 23 2003, 01:47 PM

The Japanese and the Germans both complained that the US fought a "richmans war" in WWII. Heavy on firepower, low on casualities. Our troops like it....oh, I forget, liberals don't become "troops".

Posted by: MarkV Apr 23 2003, 02:47 PM

So Mueller,

I called AA Automotive products. They must be the importer, kind of hard to understand over the phone.

Flattop 96's are $349; flattop 94's are $249. Price seems really cheap. Did you go w/ the 96's or 94’s?

Posted by: Mueller Apr 23 2003, 02:52 PM

I should have warned you on that...english is a second language


I have the 94's since the car was going to be a BP car...no longer, the rule book will now put me in some crazy @ss X or Z class with fire breathing monsters....should be fun

Posted by: MarkV Apr 23 2003, 03:01 PM

I think I am going to call him back and order the 94's. Should be interesting trying to give him credit card & address. English is definitely second language. Thanks

Posted by: my15window Apr 23 2003, 06:14 PM

Ive been trying to get ahold of this guy for 2 months,, his add says he has 103s for 449$ I hear they are ching shin brand demlillo machine is building my motor and says he's had peoples motors time bomb with these. has any one used the 103s? and do they last?

Posted by: MarkV Apr 23 2003, 06:56 PM

15 Window,

I called & he answered the phone.

Where did you see an ad ?

Aren't 103's kind the definition of a time bomb? Or at least a 25,000 mile time bomb.

Posted by: Jeff Krieger Apr 23 2003, 07:59 PM

Well, if you say I talk crap, it must be true. Not! Do me a favor - the next time I talk crap, quote me and then correct me. If you're right, I'll certainly accept it. For example, if I quote some government murder rate stats and you think it's crap, then post your evidence to the contrary. BTW, for any thread that I started that was off topic, I put "OT" in the title.

Now, does anyone want to hear about how the Harvard and Princeton math professors that I contacted confirmed that I was right in my little math discussion with Andy?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 23 2003, 08:10 PM

Please Alfred...PLEASE.

I think I have been more than fair letting you post this crap. I dont want to moderate...I shouldnt have to moderate. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gives flying FUCKING SHIT about your math problem. I'm the easiest person in the world to get along with and your starting to piss me off (BIG TIME) DROP THE FUCKING subject. I dont care if your right or wrong.. I dont care if Andy is right or wrong.

I dont want to boot your ass off the BBS because I honestly think you have something to add...but I'm beginning to think I was wrong about you. Please prove me wrong and ad some value to this site.

B

Posted by: Jeff Krieger Apr 23 2003, 08:13 PM

Ok Brad. I'll keep it on topic until somebody else brings it up first - like in this thread.

Posted by: my15window Apr 23 2003, 08:26 PM

oh, by the way, I saw his add in vw trends, has all kinds of P.C. kits for type 4 and type 1s

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 23 2003, 08:42 PM

Thank You Alfred.

The people bringing it up are trying to provoke you... ignore it.

B

Posted by: my15window Apr 23 2003, 08:48 PM

so, do you think I should cough up the bucks for the k+b pistons or are these the same?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Apr 23 2003, 08:53 PM

I have held both in my hands.. The only thing missing is the KB stamped on the wrist pin boss just inside the piston skirt. Run them.


B

Posted by: silver six Apr 25 2003, 11:23 AM

Well, it is an interesting point. Cars do consistently kill some 50,000 people a year, in America. That's similar to the numbers we lost in Vietnam and WWII. Now, people may very well have the right to risk their lives by driving cars. That's their choice. I drive a car every day. But at the same time I don't think you have to be a liberal to appreciate that loss of life is a bad thing and that people should be aware of the true risks they are taking behind the wheel.

Liberal Without a Cause,

Douglas

Posted by: Steve Thacker Apr 25 2003, 12:20 PM

Great topic....I have a newby question.
I keep seeing these 96mm and 94mm piston and cylinders combo kits on ebay. I'd like to really fresh up my engine some.
If I purchased a set of 96s would I have to do anything (machining) to 2 liter? I just want to keep the engine bone stock.

Not drive myself nuts looking for a machine shop and carting the thing over.

Thanks!

Posted by: MarkV Apr 25 2003, 12:35 PM

The 94's the above seller has, are the ultra low compression bus motor variety. The 96's are made to go in w/ no machine work to the heads or case.

Posted by: Steve Thacker Apr 25 2003, 12:37 PM

Thanks MarkV!!!

Posted by: Aaron Cox Apr 25 2003, 02:13 PM

HUH? how, they have a bigger bore w/ the same outer diameter? hmm..less wall on the 96's then right? which makes them not last as long right?