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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 27 2004, 10:49 PM

If you have one of these would you mind posting a photo of it?

I need to see one of these and neither of my cars has one. There should be a sticker of some kind with the letters 'HO' and a few other markings, placed on the inner fenderwell inside front trunk on the passenger side next to the VIN number.



PS: All 914/4s should have one of these. Know what it is?

Posted by: echocanyons Jun 27 2004, 11:13 PM

high octane?

Posted by: Lawrence Jun 28 2004, 01:43 AM

The HO sticker is what the dealers placed on cars that were serviced under the "HO Recall Campaign".


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Posted by: wilchek Jun 28 2004, 05:47 AM

dumb question. What is the HO recall? What did they do?

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jun 28 2004, 06:04 AM

Applied rust seeds in the tightest places. As soonas you added water well you know.

Posted by: Lawrence Jun 28 2004, 06:21 AM

The HO campaign included a battery cover and new fuel injector hoses. The old hoses (little curved jobbers between the fuel rail and crimped to the injectors) were covered with cloth on the outside. It made an excellent wick in case of a fuel leak. (Think... Coleman Gasoline Lantern)

-Rusty

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 28 2004, 07:01 AM

Rusty is right on. Thanks!

All 914/4s were to have had the recall work performed, and then get a sticker. All engien bay fuel lines were to be repalced, a new battery cover - with strap - was to be installed. The battery cover had its own warning label sticker attached.

Anyone have a photo of the large battery cover sticker? How about the strap on the new battery cover?

The campaign says it affects about 83,000 vehicles...(in itself an interesting statement). This campaign was brought about by USA safety laws...implying that any ROW vehicels would not be affected. Could this indicate that there were 83,000 914/4s imported to the USA?

I have never seen one of these fenderwell stickers. That either means the stickers fell off or were removed, or the car was never taken in for the recall work to be done.

The recall work has no time limit to be performed:

"It is the dealers responsibility to service all vehicles subject to this campaign regardless of mileage or ownership from this time forward."

Has anyone recently tried to get this work done at a dealer?

There were 10 recall campaigns for 914s over the years I just learned from a book I just received.

Posted by: GWN7 Jun 28 2004, 07:14 AM

I remember reading about the recalls, but never knew it was called "HO"

There were 6 recalls for the 1970 model:

PORSCHE CAMPAIGN NO T-30/72 PA. POSSIBILITY THAT THE PROPER ASSEMBLYPROCEDURES WERE NOT FOLLOWED IN AFFIXING THE INSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR TO THEWINDSHIELD. IF THIS OCCURS THE MIRROR CAN SEPARATE FROM THE WINDSHIELD SURFACEWITHOUT WARNING. (CORRECT BY INSPECTING ANDAFFIX MIRROR PROPERLY WHERENECESSARY. )

POSSIBILITY THAT RETAINING BOLTS FOR STEERING GEAR AND LOCK RINGS MAY LOOSENUNDER CONTINUED DRIVING. IF THIS HAPPENS, COULD SERIOUSLY IMPAIR STEERINGCONTROL. (CORRECT BY INSTALLING NEW BOLTS AND LOCK RINGS.)
THE BATTERY COVERS ON THE INVOLVED VEHICLES MAY BE MISSING, DAMAGED, OR IMPROPERLY INSTALLED. THIS CONDITION COULD ALLOW WATER TO CONTACT THE TOP OF THE BATTERY AND MIX WITH ACID. THIS MIXURE COULD CAUSE THE FUEL HOSES TO DETERIORATE AND LEAD TO FUEL LEAKAGE.
Consequence:

Remedy:
DEALER WILL INSTALL A NEW BATTERY COVER AND HOLD DOWN CLAMP, AND REPLACE ALL FUEL HOSES IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT, WITHOUT CHARGE TO OWNER.

POSSIBILITY THAT SEAT LOCK ADJUSTMENT MECHANISM MAY, UNDER EXTREME LOADING OFSEAT, FAIL TO HOLD SEAT IN FIRM POSITION. (CORRECT BY REPLACING WITH IMPROVEDLOCK MECHANISM.)

POSSIBILITY THAT FUEL LINE CONNECTIONS AND FUEL FILTER MAY HAVE BEEN IMPROPERLYSECURED DURING AS- SEMBLY, WHICH COULD CAUSE SMALL QUANTITIES OF FUEL TOESCAPE. ALSO, FUEL LINES OF FUEL INJECTORS FOR RIGHT BANK OF CYLINDERS MAY INSOME INSTANCES HAVE BECOME DE- TERIORATED AS A RESULT OF ELECTROLYTE DRIPPINGFROM BATTERY. (CORRECT BY MODIFYING AS REQUIRED.) POSSIBILITY THAT RETAININGBOLT FOR FRONT AXLE SUB-FRAME MAY HAVE BEEN OVERTIGHTENED DURING ASSEM- BLY.(CORRECT BY REPLACING WHERE NECESSARY.)

PORSCH/AUDI CAMPAIGN NO BG. POSSIBILITY THAT BUCKLE MAY TWIST ON INBOARDPORTION OF SEAT BELT WHEN SEAT IS ADJUSTED TO MOST REARWARD POSITION. THENON-ADJUSTABLE INBOARD PORTION OF THE SAFETY BELT ASSEMBLY IS TOO LONG TO ALLOWA PERFECT TRIANGULAR ARRANGEMENT OF THE LAP AND SHOULDER BELT. IT MAY CAUSEPASSENGER DISCOMFORT AND AFFECT SEAT BELT USAGE. (CORRECT BY INSTALLINGSHORTER BELT TO ALLOW PROPER POSITIONING OF SHOULDER BELT BUCKLE WHEN DRIVER'SSEAT IS ADJUSTED IN REARWARD POSITION. )

You can check out recalls http://www.dmv.org/vehicle-tire-recalls.php

Posted by: mskala Jun 28 2004, 09:30 AM

I knew that was the case on my car, I guess it never went for the
recall. Those early belts were ridiculous, the connect point ends
up on the middle of your stomach. I put in VW non-retractables
that can adjust on both ends. Plus they're non-aged.

Posted by: Andy Jun 28 2004, 11:08 AM

I am SO tempted to roll my stripped unibody onto a flatbed with all it's parts in boxes and take it down to the dealership.

I've got the braided cloth fuel lines... They're in a box around here somewhere labeled "fool injection".

Posted by: lapuwali Jun 28 2004, 11:19 AM

I can certainly agree on the belts. I still have a set in my '71, and I'm debating whether to fit different three-point belts, or just install a set of four-points and be done with it. Didn't know about the VW non-retractables (I hate retractable belts). Where these for a Bug or an early Rabbit or ?

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 28 2004, 01:17 PM

The seatbelt recall only applied to certain early cars and was merely an exchange for the female end portion of the belt...with a slightly shorter belt....something like 10mm shorter was all.

Posted by: wilchek Jun 28 2004, 03:05 PM

my car had the HO recall the sticker is next to the vin under the hood on the passenger fender


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Posted by: wilchek Jun 28 2004, 03:11 PM

Sticker location


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Posted by: thomasotten Jun 28 2004, 03:42 PM

You guys aren't knocking the german braided fuel lines are you?

Posted by: partsman Jun 28 2004, 06:20 PM

I once again hate to be the voice of damping enthuisasim, but when I first got my 914, I ran the vin on the Porsche factory computer and got all the info that you would get on the kardex. I also saw that under the campaign information there was an open recall..HO.. <_< I spend many days bugging the warrenty admin. to call Porsche and find out what this was. I was then told that it wasn't an active recall anymore, and my car wasn't entitled. I did however dig through the tech books and found the workshop step by step of the recall. It does have pictures of all the parts, and the correct stickers. Jeff, I'll make new copies tomorrow, and then scan them in so you can see it in all it's glory. Unfortunately, I don't think we're gonna have much luck getting the recall on any cars as the factory doesn't consider it an active recall at this point

Eric

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 28 2004, 08:09 PM

Thanks Eric! I will look forward to seeing what you have...

Posted by: ejm Jun 28 2004, 08:38 PM

This is all the HO recall info from the PCNA service info book "Campaigns prior to January 1985"


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 28 2004, 08:57 PM

Thanks Ed. There are several interesting things I noted from teh above:

* This is the only factory reference I have seen which indicates the total number of 914/4 cars imported to the USA. 'approximately 83,000' This recall would only apply to 914/4s as indicated, and only those imported to the USA...this recall was done primarily to comply with USA Federal law...

* Whats this battery strap? I have seen the large rubber band, 2 required...for the 'early' battery cover, and I see how it is installed. But the photos show the 'late' battery cover...and I dont see how a strap of any kind could be effectively installed as it does not have the 'ears' on each side.

* The recall requires only the rubber fuel lines to be replaced...from the parts list and description...no mention of the hard plastic lines right under the batttery...that always seem to get eroded...

So there is no hope of getting the dealership to honor this recall even though it states that is is required 'from this date forward, regardless of mileage or ownership?'

Posted by: Lawrence Jun 28 2004, 10:54 PM

According to what Eric posted, the HO campaign only affected 914-4 cars.

Eric, is there another section that deals with /6s?

If there's a dealer recall, and it hasn't been done to your car - you have a right to have the work performed. Contacting your state attorney general's office (or BAR) will send the dealer a wake-up call. Explain to them that your car has a factory defect that could cause the car to catch on fire, there is a valid recall with a fix and your dealer refuses to support you. (Of course the AG should investigate all complaints equally, but car dealerships are a favorite whipping boy.)

The dealer should be able to access records of which cars got the HO service. If they can't provide proof that the faults were corrected - they owe you the service. I wouldn't take their word over the phone. One dealer told me the work had been done to the car, but after spending some (unpleasant) time in their parts/service department checking on parts, I got suspicious... so I called another (very reputable, but not local) dealer. The other dealer said that they had no record of the service ever having been performed.

Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2004, 11:42 PM

I think you only get a HO sticker if your car has been pimped.

Posted by: partsman Jun 29 2004, 12:42 PM

I'm at work and just ran all the part numbers on the list that was shown...The only numbers still active are the hose elbows(043-133-387) and the innner and outer injector locating bushings( 311-133-261-a and 311-133-263). This is porbably why the recall is not active anymore..Porsche doesn't have the parts anymore.

Jeff, email me your vin and I'll check it in the Porsche main computer and get the skinny for you. My work email is erics@iramotorgroup.com

Lawrence, the HO recall only applied to the 4 cyl cars...the sixes never needed it.

Eric

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 29 2004, 01:17 PM

Maybe I should contact the NHTSB to see if they would require compliance...? And if they do then...

If we generate a list of several hundred or even thousand 914 owners who want the HO repair work, as a group we would have the voice to have P put any needed parts into production?