I thought is was time to start a build thread now that it is clear the car will be completed.
The project started as a 1975 1.8 in good condition. Here are the specs for the car.
- Audi 2.7tt v6 with Vems standalone ecu
- Boxster (Audi 012) 5-speed transmission
- F&R suspension from 993
This is how the car has sat for about 10 years
Looks like you have your work cut out for you. The build sounds cool though. I think Rohar up in WA is doing an Audi motor too. Congrats on doing something out of the norm. Love to see your progress pics as you go along
Yup sitting on two Audi motors now The 2.7 is a nice choice assuming the rings are still good. People tend to run the snot out of them, but I don't blame them. What're you planning for half shafts?
edit: I just noticed this part "F&R suspension from 993" I have a feeling where this is gonna go. Good on ya!
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That is beautiful. Two questions: Why is your exhaust pipe sticking out where the front bumper should be? How do you expect to live through the shake down?
Nice!
Very Cool! I will have to come visit you sometime...
I guess my pics are to large so I will make multiple posts. These will be some of the underside of the car.
Almost ready to drive. Waiting on the calipers to get back from the powder coater and some final programing of the ecu. Seems strange to see it as a whole car after 12 years of pieces in boxes.
The builder has already had it running but I have not heard it yet. I can't wait to hear it.
rohar- the half shafts are boxster, no mods required
If anyone local wants to stop in for a peek let me know.
Any concern for the plastic tail light buckets right next to the exhaust?
Beautiful build! Can't wait to see this when It's finished!
Wow! That engine looks pretty good in there....how many HP are you talking about? First time to see something like this...please make sure you complete the project and show us all with lots of pictures. We like pictures
I guess my golf clubs will have to go on the passenger seat.
That is A LOT OF ACTION - wow.
Have fun!!
Vysoc
Awesome work. Cant wait to see more!!
What I see is very impressive. I can hardly wait to see it in person. Only 20 miles away!
We will be addressing any heat issues like the proximity of the plastic tail lights as we complete the car.
I believe that it is going to be around 325hp on pump gas.
The reason that I waited so long to start the thread is that I wanted to be sure that the car was actually going to be completed.
I will keep updating progress.
Thanks for the possitive comments,
Chris
Stunning, this really is the dogs bollocks
So after sleeping over my visceral excitement, I've got a few questions. Where'd you source the fuel tank? Looks like you ran cooling lines down the center tunnel, what are you doing for insulation around them? What did you do for a clutch pedal solution?
I forgot to mention that we retained the power brakes and power steering of the 993. the pedal assembly is stock 993 so the hydraulic clutch was straight forward.
The fuel tank is 964/993 and bolts in to the stock 993 pan as does the pedals, brake fluid reservoir.
why are all the most insane fabricators in CA?
that is looking sweet : )
jim
I love the build so far. Guess I'm REALLY gonna have to step up my game this winter with all the amazing builds happening lately.
That is really cool! Is this going to be a street car? or track only? I am interested to see how you did the pwr brake setup. I couldn't see any bead flair on your coolant tubes. I ran mine through the console as well and it definitely cleans up the bottom of the car.
This is going to be a street car and maybe occasional autocross. We will run it on the track to test it out but not to compete.
All of the coolant lines were beaded in place using an earls ez-beader.
The power steering was straight forward (if there is such a thing) using the pump that came on the engine and the rack that was included with the front suspension. We used a 993 reservoir that you can see mounted in the engine compartment behind driver.
Chris, where did you mount and link the vac booster for the brake system? Did you eliminate the ABS? I used the Earls bead tool as well when I had the steel lines. I've since gone to silicone coolant lines that are insulated inside the console.
Rohar, I do get a little bit of heat wafting. I don't think it is so much from the lines directly, as much as the air and vaccum dynamics pulling around the less than perfect body sealing. Engine heat is playing a role as well. The slight amount I do get is welcome on cool mornings and evenings with the top off. It's not much fun in the sun when it is 85* plus. Overall the heater core works well to clear the fog on the windshield on rainy days, and comfort in the winter.
The booster is included with the 993 front suspension.
Yes we eliminated the abs.
You could do a simple ghetto insulation. Get some rolls of heavy paper and Aluminum foil. then wrap several alternating layers; Aluminum, paper, Aluminum, paper... Wrap it tight and put 6-7 layers on it. Works very well. I would also recommend Aluminum electrical conduit for coolant tubes (available at electrical wholesale house) It will conduct less heat into the cabin than steel or copper.
Meh, too hard and expensive. 1 bag of pearlite, $3 at the local garden shop. A tube of silicone, $8 at ACE. They're overly helpfull, when I walk in the door an "associate" asks me if he can help, I say yeah go get me a tube of pure silicon caulk an they do. I just realized they carry pearlite too. Guess I don't have to pull anything off the shelves. Mix until sticky and form. $11 for a lightweight thermal barrier seems like a good choice.
Here is a photo of the gauges that north hollywood speedo did 10 years ago and then were set on the shelf until 6 months ago when they had to redo the speedo again for the electronic speedo and then the tac to add the boost gauge. The temp had to be changed to water from oil and also the oil tank level was changed to a voltage gauge.
This should be the final configuration.
The interior was done in tan leather and wool carpet about 10 years ago. Maybe will finally be installed this year.
Wow! Cant wait to see it in person. That is gonna be a fun ride!
Jim
Great, now it's going to be pretty too. There's no point in competing against this one. Good on ya!
Oh, and the redline on your tach seems a bit low and your speedo doesn't go high enough
We realized the deficiencies in the gauges also but we are planning to have an on board computer to help track the actual speeds when being tested on the track. These gauges are for street driving.
We are planning a matte titanium paint job to keep things subtle.
I am hoping that the 930 flares will go on soon.
I found the original wheelbase dimension on Pelican Parts
Wheelbase= 96 1/2"
New Wheelbase= 97 3/4"
One interesting thing that we notice when hooking up the steering column was that it was off center and pointing towards the center of the car. So with the 993 steering rack having the input on the driver side we were able to move the steerng column to the center of the driver seet and have it pointing strait forward.
So many things to remember to post.
It felt like christmas today. I recieved the caliper rebuild kits from Bob at Sunset imports in Beaverton Or. Great prices compared to my local dealer and no sales tax.
I also picked up the calipers from the powder coater and they look amazing. Now I need to remember where I put the Porshce decals for them.
Then when I got home I had an email from Marc Swanson at EFI Express that had the base programing for the ecu. Marc is a great guy and very helpfull.
Very excited for this week, maybe I will get to hear the car run.
It doesn't look like there is any room in the front for a spare. How will you power you windshield washers???
Yes, I am joking. Incredible build! Can't wait to see this unfold.
Looks like excellent engineering and workmanship. That engine/tranny install is a work of art. Did you replace any of the structure/stiffness lost with the removal of the trunk floor?
Tom
Thanks for the positive comments. The 993 subframe adds stability to the rear end and the builder added lots of reinforcements to the chassis. You would need to see it in person to really appreciate the detail and engineering.
All of the weight of the engine and trans sit on the suspension now instead of the hanging from the frame. Look at where the motor and trans mounts are located in relation to the pick up points for the rear sub frame. No more trying to fold the rear of the car with the trailing arms.
I have allways wanted big red calipers on my 914.
One step closer to driving.
can't wait to see this monster on some NorCal roads
Most likely there will be some large ducts in the rear lid that you will be able to see in but primarily
so the car will not get sucked off of the road at over 130mph like a normal 914. My buddy who is building this in my garage is a pilot and general all around einstien so I feel confident he will make it stick even if we have to run a wing on the track when we test it.
Here are a couple shots of the front suspension all cleaned up and put back together
Dem big hairy a$$ rotors !!!!! Ruuufff !
As close as you are to Bonneville , it would be a hoot to see what you could get there !!!
Jack
Eric- They have great service at Sunset. I got everything in 3 days for $312 shipped.
Also got the calipers stripped and powder coated for $120 for the set.
It is so nice to find some good deals along the way.
This thing is nutzo. Nice work.We want smokey burnout videos,(drifting a bit is fine too).
Oh no! I seem to have misplaced my trailing arms.
I like this shot with the turbo in the back ground.
We rolled the car out of the garage to do a good cleaning and took a few shots. Looks like someone besides me is very excited about the car.
Nathan,
We have been kicking around some different ideas about the rear lids, but because of the rollbar and the lack of structure at the rear of the car our choices are limited and will probably stay with the stock hinging. I think that with the rear lid up you will get to see everything anyways. Being able to see all of the goodies from the rear of the car will be the best angle so we ruled out the rear hinged lid.
This was a photo that got us thinking about the rear hinging.
Great looking build! Please continue to share the names of the shops you're working with. Especially for us locals, it seems like we could save time by going to the same source...
You mentioned flares - what are you planning on that front?
Smj- The car is being built in my garage by a friend of mine who is from Redding and comes down to work with me in construction so this is a side thing he is doing while down here. He does do fab work for other people. If anyone needs anything his name is Stacy and you can pm me for his number.
-The engine and transmission came from B&R autowrecking in Corvallis Oregon. Ask for Jeremy at 541-207-9014. They have 5 yards in Oregon and Washington. I have bought parts for this car, work truck and wifes car through him and the prices are very good.
-The suspension I bought 10 years ago on ebay
-I have been making lots of trips to Parts Heaven in Hayward and beating up Al and Spencer on prices for the little pieces. 510-782-0354
-Sunset Porsche for dealer only parts excellent prices and no tax 1-800-346-0182
-North Hollywood Speedometer for the gauges and sending units 818-761-5136
-Summit racing for the radiator and expansion tank.
-Vems for the ecu (not for the beginner but nice product)
That is about it so far.
As for the flares we will be using front and rear 930 flares. I did have a very badly installed set of sc flares installed 10 years ago by a local guy that we cut off after getting the new suspension on and having the tires stick out 1.5 inches.
We did get the car running last week and it sounds incredible. I will get a video posted up soon.
Thanks,
Chris
Just when I thought I had it all figured out we changed direction on the flares. Looks like I will be selling my set of 930 flares and buying a set of steel 914 gt flares. Let me know if anyone has a set they are not going to use and also if anyone wants to buy the 930 flares.
Thanks,
Chris
I need some part numbers... I called Sunset and they told me "only complete kits with pistons etc."
Eric,
They only sell as a kit but the price is so good that it dosent seem to feel that bad buying parts that you really do not need. I tried brembo suppliers and bugged so many people including you to find a source for the scrapers and o rings and nobody could help.
I would buy your flares to fix up my 930 flares. But I'm saving for my engine rebuild. BTW, My car has 8 flares. The 930 sheet metal does not cover the wheel well. I have 2 flares at each corner grafted together.
Mike,
We knew that the 930 flares on the front were going to need to have an extension made up but the rear flares with the factory metal bumper extensions work. My car did have complete sc flares on the rear and 73 front flares already installed and we cut them off because the tires stuck out with the new suspension.
No rear bumper extensions on mine. Just double flares. I need to sand blast mine and fix some seams. The PO lap welded them to eachother and then to the fender. In his defence, it was a SCCA race car. There is evidence that the right side was replaced due to track damage at one time.
Sold my flares, now I need to find a set of 914 gt steel flares hopefully without having to pay retail. Let me know if anyone can help me.
Thanks,
Chris
Has anyone used Restoration and Designs gt flares?
Chris
http://www.restoration-design.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P359&Category_Code=914
Just called them and they are selling the AA flares
Chris, I'm doing something very very similar, can I give a call next week...I'd love to come take a look at this and get some ideas if your available.
pm me anytime
Found a set of flares
Thanks Bud
My 5 year old is quite the car nut, he made me stop in at the local dealer so he could decide what car he would save up for.
I just emptied out our storage unit and did not find the windshield that I though I had. Now it looks like I need one. If anyone local has one in good condition please let me know.
Thanks,
Chris
No real progress lately but did solve a couple of issues.
I purchased a new windshield for $220. Seemed to be the best deal I could find.
Also when we ran the car on jack stands and put it in gear we found out that the left rear wheel was bent. I looked everywhere and could not find a new barrel or complete rim so I started looking for someone to staighten it. I did finally find someone to fix the wheel and his service was fast and reasonable so I wanted to let everyone know about Kris from Curbside wheel repair 925-596-5603. He is out of Dublin but he picked up, fixed and delivered the wheel in less than 24hrs.
Chris, can't wait to hear that engine. Be sure to post some vids.
ENjoy!
we will post it up soon. we are working on the start button and the removal of the ignition switch so the wiring has all been taken apart. I am very surprised at how quite the engine is at idle but still has a great growl when reved up.
Baby steps,
I finally found a couple of hours to get the new push button ignition switch wired up. Now i need to cut off the old switch from the column and fiberglass a new cover for the column. Feels good to get rid of one more failing original piece.
Any updates?
Went for its first test drive and it was absolutely amazing. I will post up a video clip soon.
awesome
Dang
I gotta come see this thing. I almost forgot about this project. Looks awesome!
Are you gonna fill in the rear area around the tail pipe outlet with expanded metal/mesh material?
maybe you could cut up an old engine lid grille
We were thinking of using the engine grille mesh to fill that area to keep the look consistent.
Yeah, consistency or continuity were the words I was looking for.
Very nice
Wow....I just found this thread...too cool.
I'll have to come over and check this car out, I need to go visit Bob (blackmoon here) to get my Haynes manual from him once I start working on my car again, he lives off of Alhambra (I know, the longest street in Martenez)
Think you'll have the car ready for the weekly car shows this summer in Downtown? We go there and then eat at La Tapatia!
Neat. I'm not sure how I've never seen this thread before either. Looks fun.
What is the current state of the build?
-Steve
Thanks guys for checking in. Not much has happened since its test drive. I am hoping to get things going this spring.
Mike if you want to stop in send me a pm when you are going to be in Martinez
This thread needs an update!
How did I miss this build. Bad ass! Too caught up in my own ?
Mike, we might also need a new forum dedicated to build threads to handle The Pandora's Box which Steve unwittingly opened. Cluster comes to mind. Now what was the 2nd word?
Bump for an update?
Nothing good to report. We had a input shaft leak on the trans so we had to take it out and fix it and the really no bueno news is that we had to tear off the ecu and harness and go a different route. The car just could not be tuned properly. We have already started to build the new harness but time to play with projects is hard to come by so i bought myself a pacifier
something new, something old ..
I don't recall ever seeing this build either - very impressive indeed. Its hard to see these things through - without becoming distracted - I know first hand. Nice new Porsche you have there... that might just be the "death-nail" of the teener build...
T
Did you buy it for the drive train? Might make a nice teener project
Thanks, i am very happy with the new toy. Definitely not the death nail for the teener, as it is still my favorite car of all time. I drove a friends spec boxster the other day and it made me miss the 914. My friend who is building the car is going to be getting back into cars full time so there is hope that it will be completed in this life time.
Glad to hear it...looking forward to following the progress.
Tony
Well i am sicker than i realized
I never thought i would have a stock 914 again
Chris, have you given up on your other project? Long time since an update...
Mike, i have not given up. I have 2 friends who asked me to keep an eye out for clean 914's and so i have been looking and then came across this red 73 1.7 that was painted in 1986 and never put back together. 2 owner car that has 68k miles. I could just not pass it up. So the way i was able to get the car was to tell the wife it would be a flip car
I am going to try to keep it.
Tygaboy, As far a the clean garage goes, it is not mine. My friend who is building the other 914 is setting up the shop to get back into cars full time so he will be finishing that car sometime soon.
Man I love what you have done. That view from behind.........dammmmm.
Really looking forward to seeing the 914/Audi finished as I have just started one with the 2.7t and Cayman S 6 speed and working with forum member Curbandgutter on the 996 suspension install on both our projects. Very nice work so far and the engine looks awesome in there.
csdilligaf,
post up a link to your build when you can. i would be interested in seeing what you are doing
I am sort of doing what you did, gather parts, get it going and some progress under way before I start a build thread. Things can take years to build. I've done one with 993 suspension and one with C5 corvette suspension and they took years to get done. I have a Machine shop that takes up so much time there is barely week ends to work on my car projects but I always have one going. Here is a pick of my 914/ 993 suspension.
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Cool. Are you "coasting" down the driveway or under power? If its running, will you share a current state engine bay view of the build? Good job.
Tony
I talked too Chris Scott about his 914/audi 2.7t and he guided me on a few of the things I will have to tackle. Sounds like his will be moving along here shortly. I may turn towards the same stand alone ECU if I find them still available.
Not to highjack so I will be short, Yes it is under power with an LS6 and G50/52 with a quaife LSD. I have built two similar cars with this drivetrain. And that is exactly why I am now going the Audi 2.7/ Cayman S direction. I used to be power hungry thinking the most was the best. A telephone pole changed my mind about that.
I can't wait to see how Chis's turns out. This drivetrain is perfect for a 914 and it keeps the German theme. The trans is cheap enough and bolts directly to the Audi motor so that you can buy Audi clutch package rather than an expensive adapter set up.
I love my Audi/Boxster setup. Only a 1.8t but still good for 325hp. I just don't have the suspension... Not that suspension anyway. The 911 and 930 parts still work pretty good...
Chris this is the link to the build
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=206845
I'm Rudy. I started the build of a 996 tube frame 914 with a home built chassis table and a 996 fixture jig. CSDILLIGAF saw it and wanted to do the same thing. So now we are doing twin cars. He is a master machinist and I am an engineer that loves to wrench and weld just as much as geeking out on engineering stuff. He will start to build his tube frame once my car is unbolted from the 996 fixture that I built.
I was originally going with a coyote motor but CSDILLIGAF "Chip" talked me into going with the 2.7TT. After I saw your build and remembering how a friend of mine had an S4 with a chip and how amazing that car felt, well it was not that hard to switch from the coyote to the 2.7TT.
I'm almost done with the full tube frame. Looking to install suspension this weekend and then on to installing 2.7tt with Cayman S G87 Tranny. Your project is awesome by the way. Thanks for "paving" the way.
I decided to change color and direction on the interior and will be selling the tan interior. I have posted a for sale add in the classifieds.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=312588
Thanks,
Chris
So is the work about to start rolling again? Looking forward to it.
Still not any progress to report other than finally getting the final wheels and tires. I did make a mistake on the offset and rendered my steel gt flares too small. So i picked up a set of Sheridan rears.
wow....I like it. Would love to see this car in person, available Tuesday afternoon?
Promised my girls Chik-fil-a in Walnut Creek that day so we'll be in your area...sorta
Saturday would work better since i have to work during the week. Pm me.
Finally decided on the next ecu and placed the order last night. Went with the Haltech elite 2000
Hopefully 2018 will be the year of the 914 for me.
Wow! Interesting build and TONS of work completed. It should be a lot a fun when done.
Can you show more detail on the upper shock mount in the rear? Are there gussets below that are supporting the attachment point?
Did you have to narrow the track in the front or rear to fit the 993 suspension onto the 914 tub?
Mark,
It sure better be fun after this long of a process
The entire rear of the car was rebuilt to receive the stock 993 suspension so any repair parts are off the shelf. So no the track was not adjusted.
There are gussets under the shock mounting plate but we are going to add a skirt to the perimeter so it does not look flimsy.
because the first product could not run the engine properly
Its moving day. I am bringing my stock 73 home to work on and taking this car to my friends shop to get things rolling again.
When we got the car on the trailer we realized the front tires are too large. Oops, hopefully there will not be many more going backwards items.
It can make lock to lock turns but it looks like an awd car. Too much rubber up front. Visually not so nice. I put 275/35/18 on but it looks like should have went smaller at 265/30/18.
I have seen about 6 different 914's in martinez besides mine but not sure if they reside here.
That rear suspension is really nice.
Must have been a tough moment with the sawmill when you made the first major cut to remove the unibody, but I love it..
Chris, I really like the wheels and tires. What brand and sizes are the wheels and tires?
thanks
Chip
The wheels are the fikse fm5s 18x10 and 18x12. They are a 3 piece wheel and i had them powder coated satin black. The anodized black that is an option on them turns purple over time.
The tires are nitto in the rear Nt550r drag radials dot compliant 335/30/18 and fronts are 275/35/18 NT555
The front tires are the same diameter as the rear but look funny so i will be changing them to get a shorter side wall.
Ebay seller directlinewheels had a great price on the tires.
hello @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10948 I'm interested in understanding why you're going with the Haltech. Also, if you go with the Haltech will you be able to go with the original porsche gauges? By the way, did you ever get a video of the sound with that single outlet muffler? Also, the 265 width tire is what I am going with. I'm rethinking of not using the audi ecu on my build either as I want to clean up the engine compartment and not have to use all of the extra crap that they put on it.
wow, awesome build. Thanks for the electrical help YellowPorky.
Glad to see you making forward progress on this.
Those seats look lightweight.
LE standard seat made for the lotus elise
Very light and comfortable
I was torn between these and the Tillet B5 but I felt the looked more appropriate for the car
Were you able to get the fuel injection issues worked out? Were you able to get aftermarket gauges to work or did you get stuck with audi gauge cluster?
Super cool build and nice meeting you at WCR!
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=654
Thank you Steve it was very nice meeting you and all of the other members this weekend.
I hope you get your car back together for the next WCR!
Nice build!
Question (because I just went thru this) are there harness strap holes in those seats or will you use a 3 point belt?
I grew up in Martinez btw...
I REALLY need to come see your build...
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2922
Thanks,
No there are no holes in the seats. We will be using a 3 point seat belt for street and a harness bar for the track.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19241
The car is currently buried in the back of my friends shop since he just moved and is in the process of setting up his new larger shop. When it is out and back to being worked on it would be available to see.
I am hoping to bring it to next years WCR. Fingers crossed.
Now i am absolutely sure is have a problem
This is not why the 75 is not getting completed but it sure does help pacify me during the long process.
I came across a once in a lifetime opportunities and could not pass it up.
Low mileage 1970 914-6 from AZ and So Cal.
that will make your project car take a very very long time.
But...nice /6
Rich
baby steps still moving forward.
I decided to pick up a set of the 3dg auto headlights in the turn signal buckets since we deleted the original pop ups. This should save a ton of time on fabricating headlight buckets in the bumper as we had originally planned. Technology change is about the only benefit of the project taking sooooooo long.
What are the telltale signs of the addiction?
just can't get enough?
great project, and great collection
If i do not admit that i have an addiction do i really have one
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