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Posted by: GeorgeRud Nov 15 2011, 08:23 PM
Has anyone had any luck getting replacement door jamb stickers with the vin number and build date imprinted? Years ago, I purchased a replica from Auto Atlanta, but have never been able to figure out how to imprint the sticker with the proper information. These days with computers and Photoshop, there must be a better way than to just try to do this freehand, but it's beyond my abilities,
Any help or information would be much appreciated. My 914-6 was repainted about 20 years ago, and people didn't worry about such things back then (or at least my body shop didn't).
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 15 2011, 08:28 PM
George,
George Hussey has said that the punch printers that the banks use to cancel & process checks will do the punching on their repro VIN stickers.
I don't know how nor where you get access to one though! 
PS - I got one from AA too for post-resto/repaint, so I'm curious if anyone else has a line on getting access to one of those machines, or any other alternatives.
Maybe we have some 914 bankers out there?
Posted by: championgt1 Nov 15 2011, 10:24 PM
It would be great if someone could do this.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Nov 15 2011, 11:55 PM
Search is your friend ...look under my and partsman screen names. There is a thread detailing how to get a repop of YOUR vin sticker.
Posted by: boogie_man Nov 16 2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 16 2011, 05:04 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 16 2011, 05:05 PM
Search is your friend ...look under my and partsman screen names. There is a thread detailing how to get a repop of YOUR vin sticker.
Thanx for the heads-up Rich, I'll search it later.
Posted by: boogie_man Nov 17 2011, 05:34 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Good thing I own a Body Shop...whewww, that was close.
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 17 2011, 05:48 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Good thing I own a Body Shop...whewww, that was close.
As my Dad would've said to something like that - Smartass!
That's great to know for those of us here in SoCal, so you'll have a few from here come by your shop I'm sure.
But poor George who originally asked the question is stuck up in the currently frigid Windy City, so he'll have to find a shop in Chicagoland.
Do you know if this group can also do the punched style of VIN labels as on our 914s?
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 17 2011, 06:12 PM
That is the million dollar question. I would sure like one of the original appearing stickers that are punched to let the color show through.
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Nov 17 2011, 06:54 PM
I've said this in earlier threads, but it bears saying again. California, in particular, considers replacing the vin sticker, EVEN ON YOUR OWN CAR, to be altering the ID plates/stickers/whatever (EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME NUMBER!). It's a federal thing, and it may not be considered as important in some other states. I've been involved on the wrong side of a CHP investigation (I was let off the hook, but it could have easily gone the other way) and it's NOT fun. I was inconvenienced for over a year, and they dropped in at random a number of times. If you get an inspector who is in a cranky mood, or you manage to put him in one, the jail time and fines can be significant. Keeps your lawyer's kids well fed, though.
Take this for whatever you think it's worth ..............
The Cap'n
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 18 2011, 07:34 AM
Cap'n - Your experience aside, and I am sorry you had to go through that crap, I was a police officer for 25 years and if I came across a car like any one of ours that was being restored or was restored and the duplicate VIN sticker displayed all of the correct information and was located correctly and the owner had all of the paperwork in order, I would not be concerned. Granted, I did not work for the CHP who might be a little stricter when it comes to this stuff, but still I can't imagine they would mess with an owner who is trying to restore their car to as close to original as possible.
If I can find a replacement door VIN sticker for my car with the perforations and correct information, I will put it on my car when the time is right. I would rather do that than have a car running around with no VIN sticker on the door jamb.
I wish your shop was not so damn far away, I would love to get my six to you BTW.
Posted by: nsr-jamie Nov 18 2011, 09:49 AM
Same with me, when I repainted my rear fender a couple of years ago and did some rust work the body shop did not save the VIN sticker and I was very sad and shocked to see it gone...I bought a blank one from George at AA and he mentioned the type writer check cancelling thing but where would a person like myself find that? It would be nice if he offered this service to go with it...if somebody does this successfully I would like to sign up...maybe a bunch of us could do it together...kind of like a group buy.
Posted by: PancakePorsche Nov 18 2011, 11:46 PM
Count me in if somehow we can get them. I lost mine to the painter as well.
Posted by: RickS Nov 19 2011, 12:02 AM
When my 911 was repainted I went to the dealer (yes them, the evil empire) with my registration and drivers license and they ordered a new one for the price of my left nut. When it arrived I was shocked that it was black, not silver like the original - they stopped making silver. I needed one and that was the best I can do, so there it is. If yeah need one, and don't need to reproduce go fund the next Panamara.
Posted by: sean_v8_914 Nov 19 2011, 09:24 AM
CA Vehicle code 10750 paragraph B says a Legal owner can restore his vin with authorization.
So what needs to be done is have a cop of dmv person fill out a motor vehicle for REG343 “vin verification” and in the remarks section say he authorizes you to seek a replica tag for the purpose or restoring the car to original appearances; or he does not object to your.....................................; or he is aware you will seek...............................................................
Posted by: sean_v8_914 Nov 19 2011, 09:25 AM
10750. (a) No person shall intentionally deface, destroy, or alter
the motor number, other distinguishing number, or identification mark
of a vehicle required or employed for registration purposes without
written authorization from the department, nor shall any person place
or stamp any serial, motor, or other number or mark upon a vehicle,
except one assigned thereto by the department.
(b) This section does not prohibit the restoration by an owner of
the original vehicle identification number when the restoration is
authorized by the department, nor prevent any manufacturer from
placing in the ordinary course of business numbers or marks upon new
motor vehicles or new parts thereof.
Posted by: PRS914-6 Nov 19 2011, 10:03 AM
I think there is too much worry about this.
The vehicle codes constantly reflects an attitude of the words tamper, deface, destroy, modify etc. Those words are consistently used throughout the vehicle code and it's clear they don't want tampering with numbers. That said, I find it difficult to believe that you would get harassed over a car that had an original fender numbers and window VIN in place and a door label imprinted with the correct number (even if the sticker was not quite original). Who in the hell would even know the sticker was not the original????? Most people (and cops) don't even know what kind of car it is.....you think they would say "hey that number is imprinted on the wrong label" ???? Give me a break.....
There is no intent to defraud here and would go absolutely nowhere if everything else was in order.
It should be noted that the door sticker is just that....a label. It is not even the official "VIN label" but an information label associated with car weight. Now, grind off numbers or change that label NUMBER or window VIN and perhaps I will visit you behind bars if they prove your "intent to defraud"
Don't modify the numbers, don't worry about the "official" label and go have a beer.
Posted by: sean_v8_914 Nov 19 2011, 01:13 PM
the intent of my post is to help those who need this. I have done it correct and legal thru my shop. it is not difficult at all.
don't get intimidated by paragraph A
perhaps I should have only posted section B
Posted by: bandjoey Nov 19 2011, 03:22 PM
search search here. there have been several threads in the past few years with guys having the bank punch machine making new ones using the AA blank.
Posted by: PRS914-6 Nov 19 2011, 03:28 PM
the intent of my post is to help those who need this. I have done it correct and legal thru my shop. it is not difficult at all.
don't get intimidated by paragraph A
perhaps I should have only posted section B
Sorry if it sounded like I was criticizing your info...It is great stuff to know and good that you posted it. My comments are really directed at this topic in general since it comes up frequently.
Tampering with a VIN can get you in jail, no arguing that. I just wanted to point out that people seem to worry about the sticker too much and it isn't even the actual real VIN plate. That number is at the windshield and also STAMPED in the fender in metal and that is the REAL VIN number! The sticker in the door is just informational for the year and it's compliance with law. Removing it for a paint job is not a sin. Yes, if you changed the number on that tag it might be considered fraudulent if your INTENT was fraudulent. The tag in the door is no more important than the smog sticker under the hood of most vehicles. If it happens to fall off or get removed, you won't go to jail......Hope that clears up my intent.....
Posted by: carr914 Nov 21 2011, 06:16 AM
The sticker in the door is just informational for the year and it's compliance with law.
Removing it for a paint job is not a sin.
That is Correct & hence it is called a Compliance Sticker
I consider it a Sin if you take your Painter over to the car, Point to the Compliance Sticker and say " Under No Circumstance does this Sticker get removed !!!!", then they remove it anyway
I understand the Legal argument, but I don't think it applies. In a lot of cases, there is no longer a Sticker there.
Can you get one from Porsche, Yes- but it is incorrect
Can you a Blank from AA, Yes, but it is not Punched or Embossed
Blanks are available Cheaper than AA
The embossing ( Semi-Circles) is a bitch and is tough to get in a perfectly line, but can be done with a 5mm Biopsy Tool
The Punching of Numbers - I've heard of Threads of the Bank Check Machines, but I've never read one.
It can be done by hand, but
Options:
Original Sticker in Place
No Sticker
Blank Replacement
Re-done Replacement
Everybody would like an Original, but my Choice would then be Re-done Replacement, No Sticker, Blank
Now if I could find where I put this one, I would show you how it looks on a car
Posted by: boogie_man Nov 21 2011, 03:32 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Good thing I own a Body Shop...whewww, that was close.
As my Dad would've said to something like that - Smartass!
That's great to know for those of us here in SoCal, so you'll have a few from here come by your shop I'm sure.
But poor George who originally asked the question is stuck up in the currently frigid Windy City, so he'll have to find a shop in Chicagoland.
Do you know if this group can also do the punched style of VIN labels as on our 914s?
Sorry LOL I wasn't trying to be a smartass as I too am in the same boat. I have
the original in the jamb but it will need to be removed. Maybe we could come up
with a plan for a group buy using my shop for other 914 peeps (no one has visited me yet prlly because of my attitude, ask slits) I would be willing to help if needed guys.
Thanks
Scott
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 21 2011, 04:12 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Good thing I own a Body Shop...whewww, that was close.
As my Dad would've said to something like that - Smartass!
That's great to know for those of us here in SoCal, so you'll have a few from here come by your shop I'm sure.
But poor George who originally asked the question is stuck up in the currently frigid Windy City, so he'll have to find a shop in Chicagoland.
Do you know if this group can also do the punched style of VIN labels as on our 914s?
Sorry LOL I wasn't trying to be a smartass as I too am in the same boat. I have
the original in the jamb but it will need to be removed. Maybe we could come up
with a plan for a group buy using my shop for other 914 peeps (no one has visited me yet prlly because of my attitude, ask slits) I would be willing to help if needed guys.
Thanks
Scott
No harm, no foul Scott! I got a good laugh out of your reply!
Thanx for the offer!
Thanx to the others above who've added useful info on tis topic.
Posted by: eric9144 Nov 21 2011, 04:23 PM
I've often wondered myself if it would be possible to have a press or punch type tool made to do these--there are A LOT of people who'd be interested if it could be done "right"
I was thinking a punch tool/jig would be the simplest method--kind of like the old printing theory where the letters and numbers are pieces that could be changed around...
Or if we could figure out what make/model this check printer thing is--locate one and try to buy it...the market is there if one of us can pull it all together!
Boogie_man, if you can get these done, I'm in for one on the off chance I'll ever need it!
Posted by: MDG Nov 21 2011, 04:55 PM
I've often wondered myself if it would be possible to have a press or punch type tool made to do these--there are A LOT of people who'd be interested if it could be done "right"
I was thinking a punch tool/jig would be the simplest method--kind of like the old printing theory where the letters and numbers are pieces that could be changed around...
Why yes, yes you can
I had my guy do a single row and set it; as I am only doing one, I'll set and press by hand adjusting row by row.
Any die-cutter with a small press could do this. Finding one willing to do it on something as precarious as a VIN sticker? Good luck.
I also had my number set on another blank so after I kiss-cut the circles I can punch the VIN number itself.
I own the printing company; doing it for myself on my own car I am restoring and knowing everything info-wise is legit is one thing. I wouldn't do this for an off the street customer. On the other hand, a lot of guys will do anything for the cash.
Posted by: racerbvd Nov 21 2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.autodatalabels.com/
No ???
Their FAQs say that they will not sell labels to private parties, so you need to go through a body shop.
It's also not clear that they do the old style punched VIN labels that our 914s had. Theirs all look like the printed & OCR/Barcode type.
Good thing I own a Body Shop...whewww, that was close.
As my Dad would've said to something like that - Smartass!
That's great to know for those of us here in SoCal, so you'll have a few from here come by your shop I'm sure.
But poor George who originally asked the question is stuck up in the currently frigid Windy City, so he'll have to find a shop in Chicagoland.
Do you know if this group can also do the punched style of VIN labels as on our 914s?
Sorry LOL I wasn't trying to be a smartass as I too am in the same boat. I have
the original in the jamb but it will need to be removed. Maybe we could come up
with a plan for a group buy using my shop for other 914 peeps (no one has visited me yet prlly because of my attitude, ask slits) I would be willing to help if needed guys.
Thanks
Scott
I'm gonna need one too
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Posted by: Bartlett 914 Nov 21 2011, 05:06 PM
How close are these replacement stickers to the original? My car is a 4 and is black. Are these available? I am assuming the one shown is for a 6 and I cannot compare it. A punch could be fairly easy to make.
Posted by: eric9144 Nov 21 2011, 05:18 PM
The black stickers are available as repros--the silver ones aren't from what I know...
Posted by: racerbvd Nov 21 2011, 05:19 PM
How close are these replacement stickers to the original? My car is a 4 and is black. Are these available? I am assuming the one shown is for a 6 and I cannot compare it. A punch could be fairly easy to make.
Here is one of mine, you guys are going to hate me, I had one of those old Bank machine, and old girl friend was a VP at a local bank and when they updated, she gave me a bunch of the old stuff (mostly lights & clock, but a few other bits too) but I have no clue where it is right now
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 21 2011, 05:38 PM
How close are these replacement stickers to the original? My car is a 4 and is black. Are these available? I am assuming the one shown is for a 6 and I cannot compare it. A punch could be fairly easy to make.
Here is one of mine, you guys are going to hate me, I had one of those old Bank machine, and old girl friend was a VP at a local bank and when they updated, she gave me a bunch of the old stuff (mostly lights & clock, but a few other bits too) but I have no clue where it is right now
Well dig it out & you can help fund your resto with punching these for all of us Byron!
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 21 2011, 05:43 PM
Same black with punched letters type was used on my 8/72 built 73 914-2.0 -
.
AA sells one that looks just like this, but blank; and from one of the posts above it sounds like their are other sources for them as well.
Posted by: nsr-jamie Nov 22 2011, 09:24 AM
I am guessing AA doesn't want to do this work cause of possible legal troubles...but they sell the blank stickers and I have one and its excellent!! Any way normal folks can make these themselfs?
What about somebody with one of those mini CNC mills? A small enough center drill just lightly touching the surface not hard enough to brake through and with a correct program and proper z-axis height setting could possibly do it....though I suspect a few stickers would be lost at first until the correct setting could be found. Maybe sounds like too much work for something that could be made easier the old fashioned way....
No bankers in here? I know a banker who has a beautiful 356, I should ask him and see if he can help
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 23 2011, 08:46 PM
So I think I have what it takes to do this but need some hi res closeups to have all #'s 0 thru 9. I have access to the machine and tests have been done on paper and it can handle the dot size
Post my results and then talk about how much trouble it can cause to do them
Posted by: pete000 Nov 23 2011, 11:10 PM
I am going to be needing one made up soon as well.
Hope it works !
Posted by: carr914 Nov 24 2011, 08:25 AM
The black stickers are available as repros--the silver ones aren't from what I know...
The Silver Ones are Available ( In Fact I need to Order Some). If anyone else needs Blank ( Un-Punched or Semi-Cuts) let me know and I'll put in a bigger order
T.C.
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 24 2011, 08:37 AM
Are they a repop or original blanks? if they are orig. I will take 2 silver
thanks
Posted by: Dick Kress Nov 24 2011, 12:04 PM
I would take 2 silver if they are same as original on "73.
Posted by: Black22 Nov 24 2011, 12:42 PM
I'd need a couple done if you start taking orders. I'll supply my blanks. I need the black ones for a '74. I'd like to get one to apply on the car now(new paint) and one for the next repaint (waaay down the road).
It wasn't funny when the painter called and said, "you don't need that sticker in the door jamb do you?" I told him yes and to leave it on. He said it was too late his guys already removed it! Why ask me then!?!.
Oh well I wasn't worried about it but, if someones going to punch them....
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 24 2011, 05:59 PM
I would take 2 silver if they are same as original on "73.
Dick - yours should be black for a 73.
My 73 in the pic above is about as early as it gets - 8/72, and every 73 I've seen is Black - not silver labels.
I think silver was 70 & 71 MYs & I'm not sure about 72 MY - Silver, Black or mid-year switch??
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 24 2011, 10:31 PM
Put me down for two silver ones. If someone can punch the numbers for me I would be willing to pay for that service.
Posted by: carr914 Nov 25 2011, 12:01 AM
I'd need a couple done if you start taking orders. I'll supply my blanks. I need the black ones for a '74. I'd like to get one to apply on the car now(new paint) and one for the next repaint (waaay down the road).
It wasn't funny when the painter called and said, "you don't need that sticker in the door jamb do you?" I told him yes and to leave it on. He said it was too late his guys already removed it! Why ask me then!?!.
Oh well I wasn't worried about it but, if someones going to punch them....
I am NOT taking orders to punch Stickers. I am ordering some Silver Reproduction ( Correct for a 914-6) Stickers that are Not Punched nor have the Semi-Circles
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 25 2011, 07:39 AM
Carr914- What is the cost of the reproduction stickers? I think I would still like two if I could possibly get in on your order.
Thanks,
Michael
Posted by: racerbvd Nov 25 2011, 01:29 PM
I'd need a couple done if you start taking orders. I'll supply my blanks. I need the black ones for a '74. I'd like to get one to apply on the car now(new paint) and one for the next repaint (waaay down the road).
It wasn't funny when the painter called and said, "you don't need that sticker in the door jamb do you?" I told him yes and to leave it on. He said it was too late his guys already removed it! Why ask me then!?!.
Oh well I wasn't worried about it but, if someones going to punch them....
I am NOT taking orders to punch Stickers. I am ordering some Silver Reproduction ( Correct for a 914-6) Stickers that are Not Punched nor have the Semi-Circles
I'm interested as well..
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 12:12 AM
OK, It can be done and I'm working on a fixture to press the semi circles over the intire lable. With a bit of work left to create the rest of the numbers in Corel I will try it on the repro sticker but what you see in this picture is on a lable, one with the backing peeled off in the middle.
but is it legal 
All this is doing is putting the ID sticker back on the car since it was removed or in some other stituations painted over right?
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 7 2012, 08:08 AM
Wow you are definitely on to something there. Keep up the great work - I am not concerned about the question of legality as there is no fraudulent intent whatsoever. I simply want to replace the ruined sticker on my car to as close as possible replicate its original look from the factory. Also, I am in the "compliance sticker" camp and not the "VIN plate" camp in this discussion. None of my VIN numbers have ever been tampered with.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 09:12 AM
I'm really happy this is working, I overlayed this sample over my 72 jam sticker and its perfect. It will be about the spacing and placement on the sticker and I hope to have one done next week 
Here's another picture that shows how clean the Laser cuts an the power can be adj. down to even create a hanging chad.
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Posted by: pnewman Jan 7 2012, 01:14 PM
That looks great!
mine didn't survive rust repair at the door jamb / strike area. I have it but it has been badly damaged.
Keep up the good work! 
I look forward to seeing the finished product.
Posted by: Gint Jan 7 2012, 01:47 PM
That's cool! What are you using for the sticker Andy?
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 02:51 PM
repro I got from Ebay, I dont know how many peeps reproduce them. I need to find one for my 72 too since it is in bad shape. they could be one of George's
Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 7 2012, 04:24 PM
Please keep us informed of your progress. This would be much appreciated by many of us.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jan 7 2012, 04:37 PM
If you can get these done correctly, count me in for two. One for my 914, and one for Betty's.
The numbers look great!
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 7 2012, 05:02 PM
repro I got from Ebay, I dont know how many peeps reproduce them. I need to find one for my 72 too since it is in bad shape. they could be one of George's
great work! I'm in and can't wait to see your progress.
The VIN and date are perforations, the anti-tamper is not.
Do you have a method to create the lines of touching circles ?
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 05:56 PM
I'm building a press pack of tubes so I can do the whole label at once. The trick will be how much presure to get the perfs. without killing the label. trial and error time once its built. 
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 7 2012, 06:19 PM
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Posted by: billh1963 Jan 7 2012, 06:36 PM
I think it's safe to say you will have a VERY large number of orders coming your way if you get this perfected!
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 08:05 PM
From whats been done so far its doable, The issue would be that the machine is not mine and a large number of orders would put me in the position to buy my own laser etcher. That will run about 1k for a decent unit.
How many would want this service and what would be a fare price per decal would be the next question. will I even break even?
I can asked what he would charge and set the orders up with him but dont know if he would want to. I dont want to make a mint here but dont want to go in the hole.
Questions and comments please
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 7 2012, 08:42 PM
What do the stickers cost? I would think someone that has an outstanding car with no sticker would easily pay 30-40 bucks to get the correct sticker back on the car. This has been a bane for 914 owners since the very first body shop scraped off the sticker to paint the jamb.
Just add up the "Want" posts here in this thread.
Maybe take pre-orders and pre-payment until you get the cash to pay for the machine. I bet you sell enough in a week to do it.
And it's not a vin tag! If you can scrape it off with a razor blade it's a compliance sticker.
Posted by: laflaur Jan 7 2012, 08:46 PM
Andy,
I don't know the final price,but I would be willing to pay whatever for one.
Mine was ruined by my painter.
John
Posted by: carr914 Jan 7 2012, 08:51 PM
The black stickers are available as repros--the silver ones aren't from what I know...
The Silver Ones are Available ( In Fact I need to Order Some). If anyone else needs Blank ( Un-Punched or Semi-Cuts) let me know and I'll put in a bigger order
T.C.
Sorry I've been real busy at work, but I will order some Blank Silver Stickers. Anybody that needs the Silver Ones PM me and I will get it together.
T.C.
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 7 2012, 08:59 PM
Because of the posssbility of not being able to get stickers I painstakingly washed off the color change on the Raspberry car. After buffing the old finish I held up the test panel I sprayed. I can easlily blend and buff in the jamb and leave the original paint showing with the original sticker. The match is perfect. But If I could get a new sticker I may.....consider pulling it. Maybe.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 09:05 PM
none on ebay right now and the other source sells them for $11
Posted by: bigkensteele Jan 7 2012, 09:07 PM
For a perfect reproduction, I would pay 30 - 40 bucks in a heartbeat.
Posted by: pnewman Jan 7 2012, 10:10 PM
For a perfect reproduction, I would pay 30 - 40 bucks in a heartbeat.
I definately think that there is a market for custom repro work with an owners numbers. That service would probably be appreciated by all here. I know that I would be in line for one as the body work has swallowed mine as many here have been.
Lets face it. Anyone with long work has probably gone around the sticker and the quality of the repair would be vastly improved if we weren't trying to save a sticker of all things while rust repair in the vicinity was needed. My 2 pennies.
Again, KUDOS for the efforts and what appears to be a well needed service in our community.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 7 2012, 10:36 PM
So I talked to my buddy with the etcher. We both want to finish a few decals and see what kind of time is envolved once the numbers are all setup in the program but he is open to the idea. I'm sure I would have found uses for a new laser echer but would rather not buy one.
He did bring up the DMV/VIN recreation subject and I confirmed with him its a compliance sticker with the VIN on it, not the actual VIN. He thought a verification I.E a copy of registration and a rubbing of the body VIN would curb fraud and cover our asses to be on the safe side. You could black out your address, just name/VIN confirmation.
Comments?
Posted by: Bernie B Jan 8 2012, 12:00 AM
Hi Andy-
I think a copy of the Registration and a rubbing of the VIN is certainly a reasonable request and I would certainly have no hesitation in supplying them. That being said I have a 914-6 GT that lost it's sticker on a re-spray prior to my ownership. Please let me know when your ready, I'll be one of the first ones in line!
Bernie
Posted by: Black22 Jan 8 2012, 12:09 AM
I'm down for one of these.
I'm sure you'll make more than enough for your own machine on the first run.
Posted by: laflaur Jan 8 2012, 12:37 AM
I am in,whatever you need,etching copies,whatever
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 8 2012, 09:13 AM
Not a problem at all. You can have a copy of the reg., a rubbing of the VIN and a picture of my car if it helps. I would definitely be down for 2 identical stickers.
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 8 2012, 09:47 AM
I'd be in for one with what ever requirements you decide would meet your needs.
Posted by: Gint Jan 8 2012, 12:00 PM
Easily worth $10 a shot to stamp a user supplied sticker. If you were to supply stickers and stamping, why not $25-30 a pop? I'm in for one BTW.
Posted by: John Jan 8 2012, 01:48 PM
I too would want (2) identical stickers. No problem with rubbing VIN tag and copy of reg. (I plan to do another repaint down the road when the flares get installed.)
Would you be supplying the stickers or would we need to supply our own?
Posted by: championgt1 Jan 8 2012, 03:57 PM
Easily worth $10 a shot to stamp a user supplied sticker. If you were to supply stickers and stamping, why not $25-30 a pop? I'm in for one BTW.
At $25 or $30 bucks I would be in for one!
Posted by: Chris Scott Jan 8 2012, 04:08 PM
I would like one also $25-$30 seems like a deal to not have to spend so much time messing around with a color change on the car.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 8 2012, 04:16 PM
It would be my preference to have the decal, copy of registration and vin rubbing sent in when the order is placed. I will also write up and post an order form to help track and organize all the orders.
let me get a few completed and post pictures of the final product and then go from there.
Posted by: pnewman Jan 8 2012, 05:09 PM
I am in for two also. $25- $30 incl. sticker at your end sounds reasonable.
I think that all of your requests are valid. Some kind of waiver etc as part of an order form wouldn't hurt either.
Bulk purchasing the stickers on your end would probably be the best way to maintain quality assurance / ease of production along with an increase in profit margine.
I look forward to seeing a complete prototype.
Posted by: charliew Jan 8 2012, 06:10 PM
My 75 is malaga red and the sticker is good. BUT I think the original color is pretty dull compared to the newer colors. I did buy 2 gallons of ppg's cheap shopline single stage to do it over though. I redid my sons orange 72 super beetle and painted it white with a pearl blue clear. His first car was a 72 white sb. This one has some of the first car's parts including the 60k original motor. The orange color shows through the holes in the sticker. Sooooo, This will probably work for bugs. I have a pencil rub of both, which I'm looking at, I don't think the bug, (it's gone home with my son) has the circles in it but I'm pretty sure it's the same size, with the same characters. You might get a LOT of business from samba.
I'm also interested in getting a new COMPLIANCE STICKER. probably two or three for future repairs after I'm gone. With the rules you posted. Go to it. Great work.
Gonna subscribe to this to keep up.
I just thought about the fact that I've never transfered the title on my 75 since I've never driven it on the street. When I bought it the owner had just transfered it to herself and got it inspected the day I picked it up. Sooo I will have a title but not in my name. I might have the most invested in a 914 and not have it registered in my name of anyone. It's not the only unregistered car/project in my back yard.
Posted by: Tom_T Jan 9 2012, 01:44 AM
I've got an AA repro sticker & will need it punched for my 73 Andy, whenever you get around to it, or can just get another sticker & punched all from you.
You can come over here & rub my current/original VIN sticker any time, if it floats your boat!
Posted by: nsr-jamie Jan 9 2012, 09:49 PM
I am interested too. I already have the blank A and A sticker so I could just send you it along with my details. Please let me know. When my car was painted the shop didn't save it and I was a bit dissapointed to say the least.
Posted by: ape914 Jan 10 2012, 04:48 AM
Hyperdermic needles of the correct gauge can make good punches for this, cut squre and sharpen edges. That's how I've done VIN stickers before, drill a template to accomidate all positions for the dot matrix and punch away, hopping you only punch the correct holes.
Posted by: markb Jan 10 2012, 03:34 PM
I am in for two also. $25- $30 incl. sticker at your end sounds reasonable.
I think that all of your requests are valid. Some kind of waiver etc as part of an order form wouldn't hurt either.
Bulk purchasing the stickers on your end would probably be the best way to maintain quality assurance / ease of production along with an increase in profit margin.
I look forward to seeing a complete prototype.
I'd be in for 1.
Posted by: brant Jan 10 2012, 04:58 PM
interested also
Posted by: sbsix Jan 10 2012, 05:17 PM
I've been waiting years for someone to figure this problem out. I have a six without the sticker (removed for painting by the PO) and have 2 of AA's stickers ready to go. Please count me in.
Posted by: eric9144 Jan 10 2012, 05:48 PM
I'm in too, just for the peace of mind I'd buy two for the "what if" scenarios...
Posted by: rudedude Jan 11 2012, 09:14 AM
I'm in for whatever it takes.
Advertise on 911 sites and I'm sure you'll find much more interest.
Jule
Posted by: burton73 Jan 11 2012, 02:38 PM
From whats been done so far its doable, The issue would be that the machine is not mine and a large number of orders would put me in the position to buy my own laser etcher. That will run about 1k for a decent unit.
How many would want this service and what would be a fare price per decal would be the next question. will I even break even?
I can asked what he would charge and set the orders up with him but dont know if he would want to. I dont want to make a mint here but dont want to go in the hole.
Questions and comments please
Andy,
The quality of the Manufactured sticker is not the very best. Not sure if it looks as good as the factory units. This should be re-run with UV screen printing to get a cleaner run and done on a vacuum table. I got a couple of units from AA and they both look like the above unit.
As the die would cost and the set up would cost there would need to be a number of the stickers made to make it worthwhile. I question if there should be a thin over lam. of clear on the sticker.
I would be happy to pay $100. For my 914-6 sticker. The right sticker to me is very valuable. Some people just do not have the money.
I paid for 2 stickers from George that I think are less than great.
The quality printing of the stickers is a different deal. Make a better Sticker and charge or have some one make that. People will pay for that.
Bob
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 20 2012, 09:37 AM
none on ebay right now and the other source sells them for $11
Hello Andy
I've watched this with great interest.
Just a day before this thread started I visited a friend who is in the steel rule die business.
We spent some time discussing the various things needed to do this properly.
First necessity is a good quality blank of appropriate material.
I've never seen a blank repro so can't comment personally on quality of vinyl or crispness of copy. I have read that what is available is not as good as it could be.
Your efforts with perforation and font of VIN / date are very good and seem to solve that issue.
I'm very confident my friend can solve the issue with the tamper-proof die cut.
This will require a tool that can be used to produce the correct diameter circles, the correct "kiss cut" and also leave a transferrable label.
This can become a bit long winded to type.
Want to discuss it ?
Please PM with your phone number and I'll call you.
I'll also provide my number if would rather call me.
Thank you
Rory
Posted by: PanelBilly Jan 20 2012, 11:06 AM
I'll need a black one, both the sticker and the punching
Posted by: ruby914 Jan 20 2012, 12:05 PM
I will need 2 black stickers and punching.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 20 2012, 04:51 PM
Update!! I've been looking into a better quality sticker and that's where my focus is as this needs to be done right IMO. My buddy is working on the numbers for the laser work.
I have a day job and a resto going so please be patient, Thks
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 20 2012, 06:14 PM
No problem at all. I like better quality anything. I am in for two once you get it sorted out. Thanks for doing all of this for all of us.
I would bet that 70% of the people here need compliance stickers for their cars.
Posted by: charliew Jan 21 2012, 09:10 AM
I thought abought cutting the metal out on a bug and using it for the pattern on a mill by drilling through the holes to make a die from something more durable but the circles is another challenge for my shadetree process.
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 21 2012, 09:28 AM
I spoke with Rory yesterday and you can see his post #87. He has a source to do a three part die cut decal that will imulate more closely if not pefectly to the factory sticker so he has the ball on the stickers and will send me samples so we can get the laser etcher dialed in for a proper cut. I will still be cutting a sample on a repro sticker so everyone can see one complete
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 23 2012, 04:19 PM
I spoke with Rory yesterday and you can see his post #87. He has a source to do a three part die cut decal that will imulate more closely if not perfectly to the factory sticker so he has the ball on the stickers and will send me samples so we can get the laser etcher dialed in for a proper cut. I will still be cutting a sample on a repro sticker so everyone can see one complete
Just to be clear.
Andy seems to have a good method to do the date / VIN part of this process.
I'm pretty sure that with the help of people I know that the tamper-proof die cut circles can be reproduced on my end.
Please give me some help here .
How many versions of the sticker are there ?
I can verify two 914 types right here. If you can provide long hood 911
info that is good too.
1. Silver with black , 1970, 1971, 1972(?)- 914 6
2. Black with white, ?, 1975, 1976 - 914
3. etc, ?
I will eventually need clear photos of each version. Hopefully pristine examples.
The first tasks to be dealt with are; the material, the print process and the die cutting. Once these are known we can probably go forward.
I'm not an expert in this area. Please be patient.
I'm gathering info and will provide updates.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 24 2012, 07:42 AM
Here is what mine looks like. If need be I can do better when I get some time this weekend.
Posted by: Tom_T Jan 24 2012, 06:24 PM
My early MY 73 built Aug. 72 had the black sticker., still on the original L80E paint, with the later repaints over it - verified after I cleaned the repaints off.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jan 25 2012, 08:30 AM
[quote name='Tom_T' date='Jan 24 2012, 04:24 PM' post='1611125']
My early MY 73 built Aug. 72 had the black sticker., still on the original L80E paint, with the later repaints over it - verified after I cleaned the repaints off.
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Thank you for responding and including a description of your sticker .
Also, thank you for including your production date.
It seems possible that there might be only two versions.
1. early ; silver,black... up to '73 MY
2 later ; ,white,black....'73 to end of production
I haven't had a chance to look at a early 4cyl to see if the copy is same as a 6.
Anyone ?
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jan 25 2012, 12:21 PM
My 73, build date of 11/72, had a black sticker.
It has nothing now. I would love to get a new one for both my 914 and my wife's 74.
Clay
Posted by: Tom_T Jan 25 2012, 12:33 PM
I haven't had a chance to look at a early 4cyl to see if the copy is same as a 6.
Anyone ?
PM Pat Garvey or Paul/Neunverzehn for a shot of their 72 & 70 914/4's respectively.
Unfortunately I don't have a pic of my buddy's dead original 71 he's owned since new, but will try to remember to get one when I see him/it next.
Posted by: charliew Jan 30 2012, 10:56 AM
I haven't been on samba in a good while but when this is done all it will take is a link posted there and the compliance sticker business will probably increase 5 fold.
I wish the title of this was door jamb compliance sticker though.
Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 30 2012, 07:38 PM
Good idea! I've edited the original post to more accurately reflect what we're trying to accomplish!
Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 30 2012, 07:39 PM
Good idea! I've edited the original post to more accurately reflect what we're trying to accomplish!
Posted by: charliew Jan 30 2012, 07:42 PM
Looks mo betta George
Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 30 2012, 09:28 PM
Excellent - people are standing by with cash to buy
Posted by: Socalandy Feb 15 2012, 10:31 PM
The program for the digits are done and I'm super happy!!!!!! time to burn one on a repop sticker with the date included. My source is wondering how many orders may come in for these so I will open a poll to give him soem #'s
This is just a photocopy of the sticker on paper so the hole size wonders a bit but will not on the stickers, what do you guys think??
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Posted by: Chris Scott Feb 15 2012, 10:36 PM
Looks great,
put me on the list to buy. Are you going to contact people that are asked to be on a list or do we need to keep following the post untill they are actually ready?
Thanks,
Chris
Posted by: Socalandy Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM
were waiting on the acurate tamper style decal and then I will open a group buy for ordering
Posted by: eric9144 Feb 15 2012, 10:44 PM
Looks really good! The font patterns and spacing look just like the factory sticker
Posted by: Bullethead Feb 15 2012, 10:48 PM
Excellent job! Put me down for two!
Posted by: Gint Feb 15 2012, 10:51 PM
Looks great Andy! I'm still in.
Posted by: pnewman Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM
Looks great!
I'm in.
Set up the POLE.
...Then get some dancers...
Posted by: rdauenhauer Feb 15 2012, 11:11 PM
Excellent , Im down!
Posted by: charliew Feb 16 2012, 08:58 AM
I'm in for two, two for my 914 and If you ever start to do beetles I would want two for my son's super beetle.
Posted by: sbsix Feb 16 2012, 10:43 AM
The program for the digits are done and I'm super happy!!!!!! time to burn one on a repop sticker with the date included. My source is wondering how many orders may come in for these so I will open a poll to give him soem #'s
This is just a photocopy of the sticker on paper so the hole size wonders a bit but will not on the stickers, what do you guys think??
Andy,
This is getting very exiting; your prototype looks perfect. I'm still in for 2.
Gary
Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 16 2012, 01:06 PM
I'd certainly be in for one, perhaps two if the later black style sticker looks as good as the silver one
Posted by: gms Feb 16 2012, 03:10 PM
If you are not sure what your sticker date should be on a 914/6 I have extracted the information from my database
If you have additional information or corrections please let me know
December 1969 914.043.0035 to ?
January 1970 914.043.0068 to 914.043.0245
February 1970 914.043.0287 to 914.043.0672
March 1970 914.043.0770 to 914.043.1180
April 1970 914.043.1229 to 914.043.1740
May 1970 914.043.1848 to 914.043.2197
June 1970 914.043.2225 to 914.043.2526
July 1970 914.043.2558 to 914.043.2665
January 1971 914.143.0163 to ?
February 1971 914.143.0194 to 914.143.0219
March 1971 914.143.0232 to 914.143.0283
April 1971 914.143.0292 to ?
May 1971 914.143.0374 to ?
June 1971 914.143.0411 to 914.143.0419
Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 16 2012, 10:33 PM
Great information! Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: 71six Feb 17 2012, 08:31 AM
My 1971 six still retains its original compliance sticker. Unfortunatly my 1973 911 compliance sticker is long gone. I purchased a very nice replica from an individual on the early 911S registry but one needs to punch there own chassis number onto this one.Would you be making yours available for 911's also with the pre punched numerals?
Thanks
Mark
Posted by: mcbrems Mar 30 2012, 01:26 PM
Definitely interested. The door sticker on my '74 1.8 was also removed during soda-blasting, but I have a couple pictures of the original, and it's silver. The replacement I ordered for '74 from AA is black, but the wording and layout is correct. Anybody have a clue what the difference might be?
Imagine this, but silver:
http://c767170.r70.cf2.rackcdn.com/BAAA0067300.jpg
McB
914electric.wordpress.com
Posted by: charliew Mar 30 2012, 08:29 PM
Your sticker was scraped off. Soda won't remove a sticker, it is used primarily because it won't remove anything but paint.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 30 2012, 09:15 PM
I am still in for 2 stickers for my car. Just let me know when you want the $ and where to send it.
Posted by: mcbrems Apr 3 2012, 01:12 PM
Here is my original VIN compliance door jamb sticker:
Here is the corresponding sticker for a 1974 1.8L from AA's web store:
Of course I want mine to match the original as perfectly as possible.
McB
914electric.wordpress.com
Posted by: ape914 Apr 3 2012, 01:21 PM
I was able to punch the VIN on a reproduction sticker with good results. used a hypodermic needle of the right diameter, and ground it flat, then beveled the edges to make a cutter, then I drilled a guide block that had all the dot matrix holes, and did one dot at a time to make the correct numbers. almost went crazy punching the numbers. One false punch and you have to start over, not so bad on the first number, by by the last digit, I was sweating it.
the end result was just like factory numbers.
Posted by: ape914 Apr 3 2012, 01:22 PM
I was able to punch the VIN on a reproduction sticker with good results. used a hypodermic needle of the right diameter, and ground it flat, then beveled the edges to make a cutter, then I drilled a guide block that had all the dot matrix holes, and did one dot at a time to make the correct numbers. almost went crazy punching the numbers. One false punch and you have to start over, not so bad on the first number, by by the last digit, I was sweating it.
the end result was just like factory numbers.
Ps I got another 914 car needing a sticker, and dont want to do it again, I'd pay up $40 or so for that service for my other 914. i dont want to do this again.
Posted by: Zimms Apr 4 2012, 05:02 AM
I am in for 2
Posted by: gothspeed Apr 4 2012, 06:02 AM
If you are not sure what your sticker date should be on a 914/6 I have extracted the information from my database
If you have additional information or corrections please let me know
December 1969 914.043.0035 to ?
January 1970 914.043.0068 to 914.043.0245
February 1970 914.043.0287 to 914.043.0672
March 1970 914.043.0770 to 914.043.1180
April 1970 914.043.1229 to 914.043.1740
May 1970 914.043.1848 to 914.043.2197
June 1970 914.043.2225 to 914.043.2526
July 1970 914.043.2558 to 914.043.2665
January 1971 914.143.0163 to ?
February 1971 914.143.0194 to 914.143.0219
March 1971 914.143.0232 to 914.143.0283
April 1971 914.143.0292 to ?
May 1971 914.143.0374 to ?
June 1971 914.143.0411 to 914.143.0419
Unless I missed it ........ is there a list like this for the 914/4? .............. also how does one know what color sticker to go with (black or silver)?
Posted by: mcbrems Apr 13 2012, 07:23 PM
Maybe the good doctor could weigh in on whether AA will carry the silver VIN compliance sticker as pictured below:
Here is my original VIN compliance door jamb sticker:
Here is the corresponding sticker for a 1974 1.8L from AA's web store:
Of course I want mine to match the original as perfectly as possible.
McB
914electric.wordpress.com
Posted by: mcbrems Apr 23 2012, 03:09 PM
were waiting on the acurate tamper style decal and then I will open a group buy for ordering
I'd still like one. Any further word?
McB
Posted by: Qarl Apr 23 2012, 03:28 PM
I'm done for one!
DO IT! DO IT!
Posted by: tim_nd Apr 23 2012, 03:39 PM
I'm in
Posted by: dakotaewing Apr 23 2012, 03:52 PM
Plenty of interest in these - I definately need at least one, and most likely would get a spare -
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 4 2012, 05:20 PM
Posted by: carr914 Oct 4 2012, 05:37 PM
I was able to punch the VIN on a reproduction sticker with good results. used a hypodermic needle of the right diameter, and ground it flat, then beveled the edges to make a cutter, then I drilled a guide block that had all the dot matrix holes, and did one dot at a time to make the correct numbers. almost went crazy punching the numbers. One false punch and you have to start over, not so bad on the first number, by by the last digit, I was sweating it.
the end result was just like factory numbers.
Similar to how I do it. Major Pain in the Ass & easy to Fuch up a Number with a punch in the wrong hole
Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 5 2012, 02:26 PM
What ever happened on this?
On the Bird there's a thread on a company that does this service.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/715002-vin-compliance-decal-now-available.html
http://decalrestore.wordpress.com/our-services/
Posted by: GeorgeRud Nov 5 2012, 04:17 PM
Looks like Decal Restore is providing this service. $125 a pop is what his website lists for a price.
Posted by: carr914 Nov 5 2012, 06:12 PM
Looks like Decal Restore is providing this service. $125 a pop is what his website lists for a price.
Not that I need one (cuz I make my own), but I would need to see one of theirs before I shelled out $125.
The one example they showed on their Website, the Punches were incorrect
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 5 2012, 06:58 PM
Due to the effort that has been expended here, I will stick with the stickers that will be offered here at such time as they are available.
Posted by: kg6dxn Nov 5 2012, 07:04 PM
Not very impressed by their website...
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 5 2012, 07:24 PM
I'm finishing the form after some edits to satisfy guy that will be doing the cutting of the decals. I hope to have an approved version this weekend. I will only handle the orders and return shipping.
Some of the required details are,
self posted envelope with the decal/decals you want cut
copy of registration
short form to fill and sign stating decal is for compliance and not a VIN proof.
Posted by: rick 918-S Nov 5 2012, 07:27 PM
No tamper proof circles either. I'll wait for Andy's and I would pay more if need be when it's done right.
Posted by: gothspeed Nov 5 2012, 08:15 PM
What ever happened on this?
On the Bird there's a thread on a company that does this service.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/715002-vin-compliance-decal-now-available.html
http://decalrestore.wordpress.com/our-services/
good link .......
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 5 2012, 09:01 PM
OK,
Just got off the phone with him and hashed it out. below is what the form will have on it. These will not have tamper proof circles. The required info provides him with the comfort that whats being created is correct and honest. I will buy spare decals for any errors and to avoid taxes by re-selling the decals the decision not to supply the decals was made.
Feel free to share your comments...
Vehicle Compliance Decal Reproduction Order Form
This reproduction compliance decal is solely for replacement of missing or damage decals. Decals are not a form of Vehicle identification, only stating the manufacturer met all federal safety requirements at the time of manufacture. You are providing the decals to be cut with the following info to be included with your order.
• Copy of vehicle registration as proof of ownership
• Pencil rubbing of VIN from front inside fender
• Self- address stamped envelope for return shipping
• Month and year of manufacture
• Decal or decals to be cut
Please send your order and payment to:
$75.00 ea.
By signing below you agree that the info provided for the decal is correct and agree to the above statement.
X____________________________ X_____________________________
Print Sign
Posted by: pnewman Nov 6 2012, 12:50 PM
Can you post a picture of the final product?
First thoughts of a $75 sticker seems like a lot of money but showing off a quality product would help.
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 02:45 PM
As requested...
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Posted by: carr914 Nov 6 2012, 03:08 PM
As requested...
The 7 on the Date (Year) is incorrect. Every Original Compliance Sticker I have seen has the same glitch in that there is a Punch that doesn't line up
Example
And this is one I made with the same Glitch ( it's an extra with a couple of other errors)
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 03:24 PM
Yes we saw that also and we have a separate template for that and will be a choice for the buyer
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Posted by: MDG Nov 6 2012, 04:57 PM
As requested...
The 7 on the Date (Year) is incorrect. Every Original Compliance Sticker I have seen has the same glitch in that there is a Punch that doesn't line up
I think that '7' glitch is a 914-6 thing maybe? Maybe a Porsche thing vs. a VW one? Both my 4 cylinder cars are like this one:
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 6 2012, 06:01 PM
No "7 error" here in Aug. 72 - also note that this is the black decal color without the semi-circle cuts, and it's original since it shows the L80E under the oversprayed sahara beige & gold repaints done by the dealer &/or OO from whom I bought the car in 12/75.
.
So Andy - now I'm confused - are we buying the blank decals from you, supplying the necessary from/info-docs & you send it off to be punched ??
.... or are we finding blank decals at AA or somewhere else to send to you?
Maybe a post on how & where the raw material decal is coming from at the $75 price would be helpful - along the lines of your good explanation of the form & supporting documentation in your post above.
Posted by: Gint Nov 6 2012, 07:19 PM
(with Tom!) Not really sure whats going on any more.
Posted by: charliew Nov 6 2012, 07:24 PM
post 142 says the buyer supplys the sticker and andy replaces any they screw up.
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Nov 6 2012, 08:12 PM
Just curious, what does a 914-6 vin sticker look like?
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 08:27 PM
Yesterdays post was and sneak peak of a incomplete form so you could see the main requirements and get peoples feedback fearing there would be some grumblings. The person cutting the decals want's to avoid a re-sale issue and just be responsible for the labor. That is the reason for asking that you acquire the decals.
I thought about ordering them myself but would prefer not to for various reasons. The AA decals for -6 is accurate but noticed a difference in the font used from the other source and was told there is a early and later version with slight differences in the font, I want to find out the approx. date change so the correct version can be used. I will post all info to the sources if I dont order them myself. The -4 version is only available in black and creates issues for those who need one in silver and is NLA.
I will be explaining and adding check boxes for the available options like the error for 1970 cars that I believe only occurred for the manufacture year and was not carried into the actual VIN number from the pictures I've seen. I'm back on the die cutting block project and I hope to press a decal in a few days and post the results. We are at least a week away from opening up for orders so keep sending you comments so we can get all the details sorted, this is a lot more work than a group shirt order for sure.
Thanks
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Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 08:28 PM
Just curious, what does a 914-6 vin sticker look like?
See picture's in posts #144.145 and 146
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 6 2012, 08:32 PM
Andy there is a good supplier on 911s reg. for the -6 config.
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 08:42 PM
I bought some of them as stated before so take a close look at both options. That info will be included on the form
Posted by: carr914 Nov 6 2012, 09:22 PM
Andy I can get you a Better Deal on Blank Stickers than AA
And I'm thinking the & Glitch is only 914-6
Posted by: carr914 Nov 6 2012, 09:23 PM
No "7 error" here in Aug. 72 - also note that this is the black decal color without the semi-circle cuts, and it's original since it shows the L80E under the oversprayed sahara beige & gold repaints done by the dealer &/or OO from whom I bought the car in 12/75.
Tom, it looks to me the semi-circles are there on your Sticker
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 6 2012, 10:00 PM
that's a slightly different error and again only for the Manu. date not the VIN #
I too see the circles
Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 7 2012, 04:47 AM
Here is a source for 911/914-6
http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?42784-vin-safety-sticker-for-sale..-finally/page8&highlight=Vin+sticker+sale
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Posted by: robmog Nov 10 2012, 08:55 PM
Hello all,
I am the fellow who produced the sticker you've seen on the early 911 site.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?42784-vin-safety-sticker-for-sale..-finally&highlight=vin+sticker
I am willing and able to produce all varieties of 914 stickers, black and silver as per your data base. It was a simple matter of editing the photo shop layers on my original 911 version. I have yet to go to production as there seems to be a large number of newer vendors willing to create this item and thus my dilemma. I think the sticker I've created is pretty accurate, I cannot promise it is 100%. However most other vendors seem to have copied mine, the joys of participating in the open market. I never thought or wanted to profit from this item. I wanted to make one for myself and was willing to share my effort. I too got much grief from the "Purists" crying fraud.
Andy has taken this project light years ahead with the availability of laser cutting the numbers, I only offered the primitive hand punch technique.
So the question remains, should I go ahead and make the other 914 versions, or just fade away?
Your input is valuable to me.
Cheers
Bob moglia
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 10 2012, 11:04 PM
Hello Again Bob,
I know that there is a need for the silver version for the 914-4 and sure if you started a poll you could gauge interest and approx numbers for them. I just finished a die for the tamper proofing and hope to be ordering decals soon and get cutting for the group. attached is a picture posted here of the silver version.
Thanks for your efforts!!!
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Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 11 2012, 08:21 AM
Hello Again Bob,
I know that there is a need for the silver version for the 914-4 and sure if you started a poll you could gauge interest and approx numbers for them. I just finished a die for the tamper proofing and hope to be ordering decals soon and get cutting for the group. attached is a picture posted here of the silver version.
Thanks for your efforts!!!
Andy and Bob
I'm so happy to see this project moving forward.
This detail is important to many of us and I'm sure that it will be sought by more people as time goes on.
I've been away for a while but will need to have a sticker (one of Bobs that I already have ) processed to suit my car.
Your efforts are appreciated.
Thank you for your efforts. You are both doing a great job.
Thanks again.
Rory
Posted by: carr914 Nov 11 2012, 05:01 PM
Hi Rob & 
You have been my source for a few years.
T.C.
Hello all,
I am the fellow who produced the sticker you've seen on the early 911 site.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?42784-vin-safety-sticker-for-sale..-finally&highlight=vin+sticker
I am willing and able to produce all varieties of 914 stickers, black and silver as per your data base. It was a simple matter of editing the photo shop layers on my original 911 version. I have yet to go to production as there seems to be a large number of newer vendors willing to create this item and thus my dilemma. I think the sticker I've created is pretty accurate, I cannot promise it is 100%. However most other vendors seem to have copied mine, the joys of participating in the open market. I never thought or wanted to profit from this item. I wanted to make one for myself and was willing to share my effort. I too got much grief from the "Purists" crying fraud.
Andy has taken this project light years ahead with the availability of laser cutting the numbers, I only offered the primitive hand punch technique.
So the question remains, should I go ahead and make the other 914 versions, or just fade away?
Your input is valuable to me.
Cheers
Bob moglia
Posted by: Gint Nov 12 2012, 11:04 AM
Your input is valuable to me.
Cheers
Bob moglia
Please do! Thanks
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 12 2012, 11:35 AM
Your input is valuable to me.
Cheers
Bob moglia
Please do! Thanks
I think Gint means the first part before the "or" to make the other versions.
I only offer this cuz I read it at first & thought he meant fade away, but I'm a bit slow sometimes & this being Veterans' Day I may have been thinking of the MacArthur movie I watched last night!
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 12 2012, 11:36 AM
Wow! ....impressive work Andy! 
Hello Again Bob,
I know that there is a need for the silver version for the 914-4 and sure if you started a poll you could gauge interest and approx numbers for them. I just finished a die for the tamper proofing and hope to be ordering decals soon and get cutting for the group. attached is a picture posted here of the silver version.
Thanks for your efforts!!!
Posted by: gothspeed Nov 12 2012, 11:46 AM
Looks good !!! ........ How does one determine the month/year of manufacture or the color of the original decal?
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 12 2012, 12:02 PM
Looks good
!!! ........ How does one determine the month/year of manufacture or the color of the original decal?If you don't have a sticker or pic of it, then you can try to get a DMV record of when it was 1st sold &/or a COA from PCNA (sometimes they have actual build dates or month on the Kardex microfilms), in order to establish what part of the MY it was built (July/Aug - Dec of year before, or Jan - June/July of same year as MY).
If no pic/sticker - then look to 914s built close to yours for type - silver or black, and....
Then you can use the Chassis no. stamped in the rear trunk floor & on the top box of the Karmann plate on the driver door's front jamb, to get the build month based upon whichever year you can narrow it down to, as below....
Chassis no.: WWD9YZZ
WW = week of year counting from even 1 day "week" on Jan 1 - 01 - 52/53
D = day of work week 1 - 5
9Y = 95 is Karmann plant & 96 is 95 + 100 added to number built below
ZZ = Number of 914s built that day (add 100 is 96)
Hope that helps!
Tom
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Posted by: gcrotvik Nov 20 2012, 09:57 AM
Great work!
Please add me to this list. I would like 2 duplicates of my 2/74 compliance sticker.
Thanks,
Greg
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Posted by: gothspeed Nov 20 2012, 03:50 PM
Looks good
!!! ........ How does one determine the month/year of manufacture or the color of the original decal?If you don't have a sticker or pic of it, then you can try to get a DMV record of when it was 1st sold &/or a COA from PCNA (sometimes they have actual build dates or month on the Kardex microfilms), in order to establish what part of the MY it was built (July/Aug - Dec of year before, or Jan - June/July of same year as MY).
If no pic/sticker - then look to 914s built close to yours for type - silver or black, and....
Then you can use the Chassis no. stamped in the rear trunk floor & on the top box of the Karmann plate on the driver door's front jamb, to get the build month based upon whichever year you can narrow it down to, as below....
Chassis no.: WWD9YZZ
WW = week of year counting from even 1 day "week" on Jan 1 - 01 - 52/53
D = day of work week 1 - 5
9Y = 95 is Karmann plant & 96 is 95 + 100 added to number built below
ZZ = Number of 914s built that day (add 100 is 96)
Hope that helps!
Tom
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Thanks man, that is the best answer yet
!! I bought it without a jamb sticker, I think it was toast due to some bodywork and paint in that area . All the other numbers are intact (RH headlight bucket plaque, Driver side windshield jamb, RH wheel well top stamp, most of the chassis number in the rear trunk and the Karmann plaque in front of the driver door jamb ....... I will look into it as you suggested ........ as it would be nice to have a door jamb decal replacement after I install the flares and do the paint ... .Thanks again!!
Posted by: Peashooter Nov 20 2012, 05:56 PM
Add me to the list also! I got my car after it had been completely stripped of paint, and the sticker was long gone!
Bill
Posted by: boogie_man Nov 20 2012, 06:12 PM
I'm also in for one in silver for my 72 with a damaged door jamb, no way
to save it, we tried .
Thanks
Scott
Posted by: Tom_T Nov 30 2012, 04:36 PM
Hey Andy,
I saw in the thread's pix that the blank label has square corners, but my original sticker is rounded in the same way as the silver line border edge with round corners - but just a few mm's out. Maybe you could use the semi-circle punches for the anti-tamper cuts to do each corner to get it exactly as original with rounded corners?
It looks like the early silver ones were rounded corners too, from the pix of original VIN labels in this post.
Here is mine & a pic of the repro one which you posted above for comparison, so you can see what I mean.
My original VIN sticker in black over the original L80E (COA & physical evidence on car verifies Light Ivory), & under the 3 repaints (Sahara Beige or tinted primer pre-11/75 both by PO/OO or dealer, Gold met. pre-11/75, L99K Copper met. 8/76 by me, & dark grey/Anthracite met. 5/80 by me) - which were carefully lifted off the sticker with acetone & Q-tips/sof cloths last year....
VS.....
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Also, can you please post the link to the buy thread here?
I searched in Member Vendors, Parts FS & Garage, but can't find it - even though I recall seeing it before with your link to get to the PDF form online.
Posted by: Socalandy Nov 30 2012, 09:34 PM
Order thread is here...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=198674
Posted by: Socalandy Dec 2 2012, 09:13 PM
Can anyone tell me what time span the silver compliance decal was used for -4 cars. I have seen it on MY 1973-74 but have seen 73-74 cars with black decals as well. On this page you can see pictures of MY 74 with a Feb. build in black and also a Mar. build in silver
Thanks
Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 23 2012, 10:56 AM
I have a very late '74 914 (7/74) and it has a silver Sticker mine also came in through the East Coast and sold new at Brumos in Jacksonville, FL so maybe port of entry used up what they had available.
Posted by: Tom_T Dec 23 2012, 11:53 AM
I have a very late '74 914 (7/74) and it has a silver Sticker mine also came in through the East Coast and sold new at Brumos in Jacksonville, FL so maybe port of entry used up what they had available.
They were put on at the factory, so it was probably more the case of which one was grabbed during the change-over period, much as what happened when they used up the earlier MY parts.
For example, my 8/72 built 73 2.0 has the late 2 bleeder front disc brake calipers & early single bleeder rear calipers, & originally had the chrome window winders & int. door handle surrounds - even though those had changed to black for 73 MY.
So Andy, it may be a case by case, car by car basis on the black to silver change-over timeframe.
Posted by: Mike Fitton Jan 20 2013, 02:57 PM
Has anybody gotten a vin sticker yet, I paid on 12/17/2012 and I have not received anything yet and can't get a response back from socalandy even though he was active on here 1/18/2013. Last response was on 1/7 saying it would mail out 1/11!
Posted by: Socalandy Jan 21 2013, 10:49 AM
Has anybody gotten a vin sticker yet, I paid on 12/17/2012 and I have not received anything yet and can't get a response back from socalandy even though he was active on here 1/18/2013. Last response was on 1/7 saying it would mail out 1/11!
I did drop it off at Fedex in your prepaid express pouch. I will swing by there today if their open
All decals have shipped with exception to Mr. Olin's. The cutter had a moment and had to order more decals. Now with the holiday season behind us please get your orders in. I've only had 12 orders and may set a deadline to end the buy if the demand is not here. I also opened orders to the 911 group.
Posted by: walterolin Jan 21 2013, 11:17 AM
Not got to the paint shop yet, so I'm not in a hurry.
Thanks
Olin
Posted by: Mike Fitton Jan 21 2013, 09:30 PM
Has anybody gotten a vin sticker yet, I paid on 12/17/2012 and I have not received anything yet and can't get a response back from socalandy even though he was active on here 1/18/2013. Last response was on 1/7 saying it would mail out 1/11!
I did drop it off at Fedex in your prepaid express pouch. I will swing by there today if their open
All decals have shipped with exception to Mr. Olin's. The cutter had a moment and had to order more decals. Now with the holiday season behind us please get your orders in. I've only had 12 orders and may set a deadline to end the buy if the demand is not here. I also opened orders to the 911 group.
WHen did you drop it off at FedEx? Still has not arrived and is not in the system.
Posted by: Gint Jan 21 2013, 09:38 PM
Sorry Andy, I'm a slacker. I'll get my stuff sent off pretty quick.
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 22 2013, 12:01 AM
Just printed the order form Andy. I'll send you the info for the Raspberry car ASAP.
Posted by: charliew Jan 22 2013, 10:49 AM
Andy, check your pp and I will go to fed ex today with the paperwork.
I want two of the same.
charliew
Posted by: dtorrey Mar 16 2013, 07:31 AM
Hello Again Bob,
I know that there is a need for the silver version for the 914-4 and sure if you started a poll you could gauge interest and approx numbers for them. I just finished a die for the tamper proofing and hope to be ordering decals soon and get cutting for the group. attached is a picture posted here of the silver version.
Thanks for your efforts!!!
Andy, I sent you a PM
David
Posted by: nathansnathan May 7 2013, 06:01 PM
Can anyone tell me what time span the silver compliance decal was used for -4 cars. I have seen it on MY 1973-74 but have seen 73-74 cars with black decals as well. On this page you can see pictures of MY 74 with a Feb. build in black and also a Mar. build in silver
Thanks
I was referring someone from the bus forum here and saw this. Someone cleared this up for me in a thread in the originality forum. The black or silver were intermixed and it depended on the color of the car - they were to contrast with the body color since the color shows through the holes.
Really nice job on these way!
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