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Posted by: guywan914 Aug 11 2004, 05:35 PM

As a newbie with car gutted, engine out, floor replaced and stiffeners added [thanks CFR and Restoration Design], now I need to think about final cleanup. After reading William Harris's plans for baking soda blasting ,that sounds like the way to go. Many have offered varing opinions and I would like to find your opinions on pros and cons of each. Help please.

Posted by: qa1142 Aug 11 2004, 06:01 PM

Acid takes everything... Heater tubes... everything. It is also nasty and toxic.

Blasting is much more controlled and better for planet.

I plan to have mine blasted.

Posted by: Racer Chris Aug 12 2004, 05:39 AM

Acid dipping is a better choice for a full time race car IMO, but it should be done before any rust repair or reinforcements. It will also strip paint from places that are impossible to access for recoating.
With the media strip you can skip some areas or just go over them lightly. There's no need to remove all the factory base coat IMO. Also I would prefer to leave some of the body sealer in places where it is still fully intact.

Posted by: Quebecer Aug 12 2004, 01:09 PM

I am in the process of disassembly as well, the outer shell is pretty good, I need to fix some structural stuff and I was going to remove the undercoat but I heard that it is difficult to remove with blasting (it bounces off). Would I be better off doing under the car with chemical paint stripper?

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 12 2004, 01:15 PM

do a search here on the board. this has been discussed in detail (with pictures) before.

i had my car blasted. liked it until i first drove it again.
it's been over 1 year now and i still have sand coming out of the cracks everywhere!

i have seen a few acid-dipped tubs by now and they look & feel like brand new out of the factory.
it's amazing how clean they are. yes, you need to get the heater-mufflers out of the longs first, but that also gives you the opportunity to fix & primer those from the inside.

in any case, if i had to do it again, acid would be the only way to go for me ...
Andy

Posted by: Phoenix-MN Aug 12 2004, 01:31 PM

I had mine dipped, other than the "holes" that seem to appear from no-where It came back really nice.

Posted by: Mike D. Aug 12 2004, 01:58 PM

I used to work in warehouse and had huge acid tanks, we would used 3% acid for dipping. The thing is everything that came out of that acid had to rensed off with water. It was usually 5 to 10 min. before the surface rust would appear. I would imagine doing a 914 chassis would be the same, yes, no? not galvanized...

Plus do you really want to remove all the seam sealer form every weld on the car?

Never done either one, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about anyway...

-Mike D.

Posted by: Phoenix-MN Aug 12 2004, 02:16 PM

After it is acid dipped it is washed down and then dipped in a phosfate (sp?) bath that coats the metal and prevents flash rust from forming

Posted by: GWN7 Aug 12 2004, 02:41 PM

Phoenix-MN is there someone near you that does the dipping? & rough idea of cost?

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 12 2004, 04:52 PM

Posted by: Phoenix-MN Aug 12 2004, 05:23 PM

GWN7 -
It was many years ago that I did mine, it was a metal stripper in White Bear lake, MN (I'm not sure they are around anylonger). They stripped all the old paint, seamsealers, and then elecro-chemically/acid dipped the tub. The would attach an electrical wire to the tub (-) and another wire to the tank(+) and pass a controlled amout of current through the tank solution. This left it spotless of any rust and all bright and clean. I recall it was around $950.00 at the time.
Paul

Posted by: Gint Aug 12 2004, 05:34 PM

Acid man!

You've never seen a primerd tub look so nice as it does after acid dipping.

Posted by: GWN7 Aug 12 2004, 05:34 PM

Thanks Paul, gives me a place to start looking...no one up here does it. White Bear isn't that far for me.

Posted by: McMark Aug 12 2004, 06:07 PM

YES YOU WANT ALL THE SEAM SEALER OFF!! Where do you think all the rust is hiding? Behind the seam sealer. If you don't want rust problems, acid dip. It's more work, but it is worlds better than media stripping. I don't care what media you use.

Posted by: heavydriver Aug 14 2004, 09:04 AM

Question for the central florida guys. Are there any facilities to dip my car in the Central Fl. area ??

Posted by: watsonrx13 Aug 14 2004, 09:25 AM

None that I'm aware of, but Paul or Rouser might be able to help.

Posted by: anthony Aug 14 2004, 10:28 AM

I'm pretty sure that stripping, dipping, and priming costs around $3K on top of any paint and body work.

If we are talking 4 cylinder cars here, I think it's still way easier to buy a really nice 4 cylinder car without rust for $5-6K and then just have it repainted to your specs. I would only do stripping and dippinng on an original six or if you were desperately attached to your 4 cylinder VIN number.

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 14 2004, 10:35 AM

Posted by: maf914 Aug 14 2004, 10:45 AM

Andy,

That dipped and primed chassis is a beauty. I remember the photos from the previous thread. Is the primer sprayed on or dipped?

While most of us would love to have a spotless car like that, I doubt mine will ever see a tank of acid. Sure is pretty though.

Posted by: Gint Aug 14 2004, 11:28 AM

Posted by: McMark Aug 14 2004, 12:36 PM

Posted by: anthony Aug 14 2004, 12:56 PM

Mark, I know these cars cost big bucks to bring back. I'm just saying that as an alternative to stripping and dipping a 4 cylinder car you could just start off with a chassis that doesn't need it.

It of course also depends on what kind of restoration you are trying to achieve.

Posted by: McMark Aug 14 2004, 01:01 PM

I'm not trying to pick on you.