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Posted by: trekkor Aug 15 2004, 10:29 PM

I am looking at the Bursch headers for $399.
Any good?

Racer's group has some for $500ish and up.

I'm listening...

KT

Posted by: trekkor Aug 15 2004, 11:18 PM

The money factor is a concern, however I understand most good systems ( headers and mufflers ) run about a grand.

Trek

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 15 2004, 11:23 PM

European Racing Headers. George Narbel. I liste him in the vendors area. I dont post about his 9146 headers... but he makes them.

I cant wait. You'll be slower with the 6cyl.. LOL



B

Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 15 2004, 11:29 PM

heheh. great encouragement coach!

is he going with a small six?

Posted by: nebreitling Aug 15 2004, 11:57 PM

yeah -- what happened to being the Tony Robbins of 914's?


seems like the 4's are quicker at the AX. but they don't have that gorgeous sound...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 16 2004, 12:04 AM

I have made all the mistakes.. why let other people make the same mistakes ??

I have been down the small 6 route... sold the car. It was anemic and almost a complete waste of time/resources. I should have continued to save and save for the 3.0. I didnt listen to my elders at the time either...

Drive or ride in a well prepared carbed 3.0... there will be no question when you get out of the car. I have 4-5 factory 2.0/2.2 9146 guy's wanting 3.0/3.2's for their cars. Bag/tag the stocker and install a real daily driver engine.


B

Posted by: trekkor Aug 16 2004, 12:05 AM

My motor is still a mystery cc wise. Someday I'll know something and will tell all.

If I put it in my car, I want it right.

KT

Posted by: McMark Aug 16 2004, 12:26 AM

Why don't we just pull a head and measure things? Quick and easy.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Aug 16 2004, 05:00 AM

didn't see your smiley so i don't know if you're kidding ...

pulling a head in a 911 is neither quick nor especially easy - assuming you want also to put it back together ... for instance - most people who haven't done one yet don't have the 46mm crowsfoot wrench in their box ...

Posted by: 914Timo Aug 16 2004, 05:23 AM

Oh... sorry, cant resist. I like mine. Did them myself. Didnt cost too much



Could you give a little hint. What is the engine code ?? Does it start with 901, 911 or 930 ??


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Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 06:42 AM

just bought European Racing headers, for the Small Six , Service, price and fit were perfect. George is a nice guy..

See Brad I do listen every once in awhile.....Also bought his megaphones and hanger for the big tracks and Daytona...where noise doset manner..

Posted by: trekkor Aug 16 2004, 08:04 AM

911 670
Doesn't matter,though, work has been done inside.

KT


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Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 08:12 AM

Are details available on the web for the European Racing Headers ? I have a small six too, and it could use new headers too.

Michel Richard

Posted by: ArtechnikA Aug 16 2004, 08:18 AM

that is a serial number; we need the type number to get an idea of the base engine ...

Posted by: ArtechnikA Aug 16 2004, 08:20 AM

welcome Michel! good to see you here !

Posted by: ! Aug 16 2004, 08:23 AM

The type # is by the rib of the oil sender....it will read 901/XX, 911/XX or 930/XX.....

I have used Bursch and the European ones.....Bursch rusted pretty quickly.

Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 09:50 AM

just call him. Nice guy.

If some can recomend some share ware for the pic I can post pictures on the car. New laptop lost all my other s/w tools.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Aug 16 2004, 09:56 AM

http://www.irfanview.com/

here ya go

Posted by: mack914 Aug 16 2004, 10:38 AM

Get your steel headers jet coated.

Posted by: thomasotten Aug 16 2004, 11:15 AM

Since they are basically worthless, I am going to set up a website where you guys can fill out a form and have those early sixes hauled off free of charge. Who's first?

Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 11:29 AM

Sorry guys, I misstyped, should not have said "I have a small 6 too".

I should have said I have a lightweight free-revving 6.

Fits the 914's personnality perfectly; has seen the north side of 7400 without misshap. ( 2.2 E with MFI)

The howl is what it's all about.

Michel

p.s I will pay shipping on all those free 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 engines.

Posted by: thomasotten Aug 16 2004, 11:47 AM

That's fine, as long as they are shipped to my house. It was my idea - I'll give you the 2nd engine that comes in. Deal? What do you think about these web addresses:

www.WorthlessSmallSix.com
www.SmallSixPOS.com
www.TossThatSix.com

Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 11:51 AM

It was your idea. Can I still take advantage ?

Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 11:54 AM

www.whinnysix.com

www.howlingsix.com

www.screamingsix.com

www.requiresabitofskilltogetallthepotentialoutofit.com

How do those sound ?

Michel

Posted by: J P Stein Aug 16 2004, 11:59 AM

I have a set of Bursch on my car. Blast off the shit paint that comes on em' and repaint with Hi temp.....I use stove paint. Re do them every 2-3 years, no rust. Been on there for 6-7 years. They work.

Brad: Was that the "see how cheep I can build a sixer" car .....the one that smoked like a cheep cigar?

Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 12:00 PM

Plan too, get them jet coated, but I need to use the car this weekend so out they go as they are. Mine is the car that got hit on the trailer. Bent my header.


By the way, Any body good with a welder???? Cheap, very cheap set of headers for a 6..... Pay shipping. Jetcoated and bent.

Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 12:11 PM

Greg,

I would take those headers. I'm pretty handy with a welder.

How bad is the bend ?

Michel

Posted by: J P Stein Aug 16 2004, 12:13 PM

Trekkor: That's the serial number. Look about 4 inches to the right....facing the fan....on the top of the case, just behind the chain housing. A number 901/xx or 911/xx. It DOES matter.

From your pic, that appears to be an aluminum case....and that's gud. Are the cyls aluminum?....or rusty?

There are a bunch of things that can be learned without taking off a head....you don't wanna go there. Valve lift will get ya a good run at the cam type.

Type number will tell what case is there, thus the mods that are possible.....or wise.

Mostly, whether or 245 hp is likely or total "family legend"(aka: bullshit)

Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 12:33 PM

These shorty (mid tranny) 1 5/8. Bent on the driver side:
- 1st primary twisted just below the flange
- 1st and second primaries bent at the 90
degree bend


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Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 12:33 PM

mmmm


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Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 12:34 PM

mmmm


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Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 12:35 PM

in place pre- bending


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Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 12:51 PM

Greg, thanks for the pics.

I'm running MFI and I need to build a heater box around one of the pipes to get heat to my pump thermostat.

Your headers look great but I'm not sure I could build a box around all those curves.

So I'll pass. Once again, thanks for the pics.

Michel

Posted by: James Adams Aug 16 2004, 01:07 PM

Greg, I'll take them if no one else has dibs yet.

Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 02:40 PM

more info


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Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 02:41 PM

mmm


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Posted by: michel richard Aug 16 2004, 02:44 PM

Which headers are those ? where did you get them ?

Michel

Posted by: d914 Aug 16 2004, 07:05 PM

unknown came with the car..

Posted by: trekkor Aug 16 2004, 10:04 PM

Hey, this is my thread. I want the bent headers.

KT

Posted by: retrotech Aug 16 2004, 10:18 PM

hey d914, did you buy that 914-6 from me?
Its funny I have seen the rear shot for months, but when I saw the bottom/engine I recognized the car. Those were great headers.

Stephen

Posted by: d914 Aug 17 2004, 06:22 AM

yea its your old car, and you were afraid I was going to make it all nice nice..


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Posted by: retrotech Aug 17 2004, 08:53 AM

Fantastic! You have really done allot with it.
Send me more pictures. retro356@gorge.net

Thanks,

Stephen

Posted by: d914 Aug 19 2004, 08:29 AM

back to the original tread, here is a veiw of the euro headers installed.


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Posted by: d914 Aug 19 2004, 08:30 AM

with megs and hanger


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Posted by: d914 Aug 19 2004, 08:31 AM

new rear view


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Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 19 2004, 08:42 AM

shameless plug for a local company. triad offers headers for a 6 as well. look in resouces, parts, products for the link.

kevin

Posted by: East coaster Aug 19 2004, 09:25 AM

Here's my European Racing headers from George. They're 1 3/4" dia for my 3.6. I had them sent directly from George to jethot for coating in silver. They look sweet........


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Posted by: Root_Werks Aug 19 2004, 10:07 AM

Bursh the last 4 conversions, yep the paint bakes off the first couple of drives so just shoot some decent paint on them. Good fit, good price.

Posted by: carr914 Aug 19 2004, 03:46 PM

I've got Kerry Hunter's 914-6 headers with megaphones. I always had good look with his 914-4 headers and his 914-6 headers are much nicer and reasonably priced.