Hey Hey,
Check it out, http://www.9xauto.com/914.html
Maybe if we do a group buy of rear calipers we can get a deal
can ya narrpw it down a little? there's 100 useless products on that link and i have no idea which one you're talking about ...
That didn't work out as planned
Click the link, then "parts" - "brake calipers".
I like that "Save On New Brake Calipers"
Has anyone used their flares? Any good?
$1800 each..... watta bahgan
After reading the absolute CROCK in their ad for fuel rails, I wouldn't trust them to take my order at Mickey D's, If I actually bought food at Mickey D's.................................... The Cap'n
So, $1800.- for one rear caliper. Hummm. I have a spare rear suspension console... that's gotta be worth a mucking mint!!! What a joke
I have never bought anything from them and never will. They are trying to make a lot of money on parts they think are made out of gold. Everything they sell is priced way too high. They must think these are real Porsches.
We appreciate your criticism. If you need to pick our brains in regards to some of the products we sell. You are welcome.
In regards to our fuel rails- Our local PCA technical committee will not allow any 914 with our fuel rails to run in "unmodified" class. We received their opinion stating the "power gain will be significant in comparison to the stock".
This fuel rail is the first step in modifying 914 FI fuel system.
Here is our recent experiment with 2.0 FI
Stock fuel injectors are 28 psi or 28 LB/Per hour rated. We installed 55 psi or 55 Lb/Ph injectors and increased fuel pressure from 28 psi to 55Psi. Original fuel rails had to go. Now, next step we added more air to the engine. Increased gasoline flow needs more air. We increased the size of unreasonably small throttle body, by removing the original air plenum and installing early type 1.7 single carburetor intake system. However, instead of the carburetor, large size throttle body was fitted reusing carburetor’s mounting bolts. Fireball XR 3000 replaced our ignition as well. The result was stunning. We are still working to refine the system. Aircraft industry is still using this engine in CESNA’s. There are lessons to be learned from them.
If you believe it is all B.S. Printed out and show this to the 914 mechanic.
It's all BS until we see actual data. Simply stating the results were stunning tells us nothing. I'd love to see actual dyno results from fitting a larger throttle body and nearly doubling the size of the injectors and the fuel pressure, presumably with no other changes besides electronic ignition. I'll bet the results were stunning...
So, if the rail would not allow enough delivery, you obviously had to replace the fuel lines from the tank to the center tunnel hard lines, the hard lines themselves and the lines to the rails, as they all have the same flow limitations as the stock rails, correct?
As an FYI, the corbeau seat syou have listed for 914 only fit if you are under 5"9" or you have them heavily modified/reupolstered.....
I'm sure you have dyno sheets to back up your claim of "stunning" performance. Other than making the engine run really rich, I can't see a huge gain in any of this. I've always heard that the major limitations are on the exhaust side. Dumping way more fuel and air in isn't going to help much if you can't get rid of it. We're a pretty skeptical bunch when it comes to bolt on horsepower for our cars. Some sort of evidence is required.
$1800 per? They can eat dicks. I have a pair of 944 rear calipers i'd rather fabircate mounting for, than pay $1800 per caliper from them.
http://www.9xauto.com/cgi/914calip/pricetable.cgi
World Renown Company like CB Performance selling the fuel injected kit for the type IV engine for years, which includes large fuel rail and throttle body for every port. Just the one I've described. We resell one on our site. However, the price is $1700. Whatever I've stated was known for years. The type IV engine in our cars was designed during WWII. The Bosch only began designing electronic fuel injection in 60-70's to refit these engines with new system. It was their first try. In 2004 we know its shortcomings.
As far as our caliper price. Contact your local Porsche Dealer or Performance Product to verify what many of you found funny. New factory calipers are indeed priced that high. People from foreign countries usually buy them since used ones are not available. Most of the 914 are in U.S. anyway. Just like why OEM rear roof seal is priced at $278? It should be $50. Right?
I do not know why do I bother with this thread
I thought Cessna used Lycoming engines? What the... ?
it's a tough room to play here. if you can get your prices more power to ya. but, why is that cone filter setup for the l-jet so $$$$? you should warn those purchasing a cb, linkage included item, that the kit contains NO THROTTLE CABLE BRACKET!!!:D
kevin
Gee, so I guess I can pay for my kid's college with the three sets of NOS rear 4 calipers, and the one set of NOS 6 rear calipers, I've got sitting on the shelf??
PK
Hi All,
When I posted this link here - I thought we'd all get a laugh... I had no idea this guy really believes his prices are competitive -
I'm a capitalist, as I think most of us are, but there is a time when folks are out to make as much as possible and not to serve a community. 9x, we welcome you here, but quick-buck parts & people don't do so well here. There are quite a few members here who create VERY NICE products for our cars and our 914 community. Their prices are very reasonable, and the service so far has been fantastic. We have better shifters, chasis stiffening that works, new fog lights, trunk shocks, light conversions, pedal boards, fuse panels, electronic do-dads so your fogs flash....all of these things created by our members FOR our members and the prices are very reasonable.
Hell, we even have members who own NOS parts and TONS of used parts. We have very knowledgable 914 shop owners and mechanics here, some have given their opinion.
The reason you are getting the treatment you are is because of the price and claims for some of your pieces, painting the picture for us. I'm afraid it may put you in the same category as one of the vendors in the southeast.
Just because Porsche of America thinks that something should be expensive should not be the mark by which others should guage their pricing. All of us know that Porsche of America is a dickhead. I could care less what they or Performance or anyone else thinks their shit is worth.
Want a set of /6 rear calipers? Take a set of /4 and bore them out 3mm (I think) more and cut a set of pistons for them. It won't cost $1800 each. And for that matter NOS parts - crap - potentially the rubber in them is 28+ years old. Yea, I know they were stored in a hermatically sealed, climate controlled vault since creation.
Those of us that sell less than NOS (meaning used) are generally fair and think of the buyer as a fellow Teener owner. With some exceptions, we are generally more than fair in our pricing. I deal with the "Automotive Recycling Industry". Catchy phrase for a effin junk/salvage yard.
So, IMO, keep your effing parts - I'll take used any day. I'll buy from you when I cannot find anything ANTWHERE. 914world.com members, by and large, support each other. Maybe someday you guys will get the idea - you are useless to us except in extreme emergencies. I suggest you hang with the CWs and Pinkie lifters.
And when you bring Europe into the equation, you're just shittin down the wrong hole.
I'm out.................,
An almost lucid reply from SLITS....amazing. Must be in the MIDDLE of a three day bender....
BULLSHIT!
If fuel delivery was not up to it on a 1.7 engine then the engine would run lean, and would overheat, which AFAIK is not a common problem with F/I engines. (although some of them have overheated, the problem is not endemic).
Having run a closed loop Megasquirt system on a 1.7 Type IV with a wideband sensor in the tailpipe - I can tell you that I have never had a worrysome duty cycle on the 1.7 injectors (which I would have had if the fuel delivery system was not up to snuff).
Increased airflow MIGHT get you closer to needing more fuel delivery, but as Jake (with his LOADS of dyno runs and extensive testing over many years) will tell you, the exhaust side of the type IV engines is more asthmatic.
In addition the fuel delivery system on a 2.0 twin turbo subaru motor is very similar, and is good for 280HP.
Fuel Rails = Not a problem.
The End.
HONEST QUESTION?
Have you EVER sold any (calipers) at that price?
I was going to stay out of this but since it is still going I thought that I would add my little bit. Either the site was put up in a hurry or they just didn't care to proofread there pages. Here are some quotes from the site.
"Replacing your old injectors will bring back the performance of your Porsche as it was intended to."
"WATERPROOF IGNITION KITS
No rain tray? No problem. "
Maybe a raint tray would be a better solution.
"Save even snore money without sacrificing quality when you buy our quality axles. "
what is snore money anyway
Just a couple that I noticed off hand, there are more, seems to me if they were serious they would have done a better job setting up their site.
Last I checked Porsche dealer price was $1300.00 CDN for rear calipers. I didn't bother to ask about availability.
Seriously dude, there are 2000 guys here that own at least one of these cars. And I doubt if there are many of those that don't need or at least want something for their teener.
Forget flaming back. Post your results, and listen, and then maybe start asking some questions of the guys here. You might learn something about your potential customer base.
Someone please tell me what makes a brake caliper worth $1800.00????
SteveSr
$1800 does seem mighty expensive - but it is a company's perogative to price themselves out of the market.
HOWEVER:
Actually, Zimmerman does manufacture a cross drilled rotor for the rear (4 cyl).
However, feel free to correct me if you're wrong.
Gentlemen
Thank you for all the attention given to the subject. Who ever of you using foul language referring to my business, I would be honored if you avoid my business and never buy from me. Just bare in mind 914's are extremely small part of the Porsche aftermarket business. There are fewer vendors selling for this car year after year. Large companies already abandoned this car model. Bashing vendor like me is counter productive for the survival of the 914 model. People should be encouraged to develop items for this type of Porsche, good or bad. The interest must sustain.
There's no point in bitching about the prices. He can ask whatever he wants for them. We just don't have to buy from there. I say good for him. If he sells a few, he's probably way ahead. I, like most of us here, am pretty cheap. I'm sure he's realized that by now. Maybe he'll adjust his prices, and maybe not. It's his decision.
The fuel rail, on the other hand, I have a problem with. Claiming huge performance gains, without any proof to back it up isn't a good way to do business, IMHO. A "huge" performance gain could be an extra 1/2 horsepower, or -.0001 seconds in the quarter mile. It's not likely that you have any dyno info to back this up, but even G-Teching it before and after would give you some sort of tangible results. Then, perhaps, you can start making claims of performance gains.
Set your prices how ever you want, I have no problem with that. But don't make unrealistic performance claims without any proof to a bunch of really knowledgable 914 nuts.
On the final note. The largest FI 2.0 engine in the 914 series has throttle body slightly larger than a silver dollar with a tiny fuel rail. The 944 with 2.5 4 cyl engine has throttle body and the fuel rail 10 times the size of the 914. So is the rest of the "Rice Burners" with the engines smaller than 2.0. I've metioned the reputable company makes large intakes for type IV engines to compensate for such short commings-and I'm still called an idiot on this forum by people claiming to be an "Assholes".
I love this place
WE are the assholes,
WE ARE THE ASSHOLES,
No time for losers,
Cause we are the assholes
Of the world......................,
Ok, so I don't sing well at 6 AM
Before I AutoX, I feed each of my shocks one Blue Pill and man do they get stiff. My times are 5 seconds faster on all courses.
No No. I'm not screwing my self out of customers at all. Our 914 business is less than 5% if any. In the near future we will turn 914 inventories over to our affiliate and concentrate on newer Porsche models.
On the personal level, I participate in this forum because I love this car more than any Porsche I owe, and I do owe other models.
Any questions?
Are you accepting bids on your current inventory of 914-related products? Or, has that deal already been worked out with your affiliate?
So post a pic of your ride.....join the fray....
Read my Avatar line and repeat after me...
"You Canna Change the Laws of Physics..."
That said...if it were so easy to make so much more HP, you'd think Porsche would have done so during the 7 year life of the product.
If the Type IV had over head cams, 4 valves per cylinder, variable valve timing & water cooling...it too could be a Subaru engine.
la la la la la...he's not listening. What ever. Let it go...
Hi All,
OMG!!!
I just (for the hell of it) clicked on the link again to the rear calipers - if only for a quick laugh. The $1800.00 calipers are now $400 and somethin'. Had to double take -Wonder how THAT happened...
Could it be that someone noticed that there's a whole lotta us on this board that spend $$$ on our teeners - and always will??? It's a disease. But as long as we have this board I'd bet nobody's about to buy a $1800.- caliper.
2 cool
the rears are removed from the list.
smart move 9xauto
Never answered my question if he EVER sold a pair for 1800.....
must have since they aren't there anymore
WoW! Your right. No more rears for sale. He must have had just that ONE set.
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