with your tagline?
are you building some mid engined monster?
dr
As soon as SCCA releases the rules for the Dprod class we will have at least 2 cars being built right off the bat. I have one customer coming in for a 996 engine upgrade... they are currently kicking our butt times wise in AutoX..
I see myself racing Boxsters in the very near future.
Used good engines for 2-3K.. I can carry spares at that price...
I even spoke with a flywheel maker this past weekend about doing racing lightweight flywheels for the 996 and Boxster...
It doesnt make any financial sense to run 914's when a engine costs me 5-7k... I can get sponsorship for a late model car that people recognize...
B
How much does a boxster weigh vs a 914...?
How much weight do you think could be dropped??
Interesting indeed.
Fiid.
hmmm..... what about a v8 in a boxster
Last time I checked (quite awhile ago), an early Boxster weighs about 1000lbs more than a 914. It would indeed be interesting to know how much can be stripped off the Boxster. Discarding all of the OEM electronics and fitting an aftermarket ECU, non-ABS brakes, and removing all of those actuators would go a long way towards making them more palatable. Too bad that would be race-only in any state that cares about OBD-II for smog purposes.
Easily.. 300lbs can be stripped out by a novice. Look back at the Laguna POC thread. I asked Richard Linsdall and Andy to both shoot pics of a Yellow Boxster.. the guy stripped it down a little bit and lost 300lbs.
Baseline for a Boxster right now is 16k for a 2.5 car with high mileage. It costs me 35k+ to build a 2.0 fuel injected 115hp 914 production race car that is still streetable.
The Boxsters are tanks... but so are Carrera Cup cars and GT3RSR's... and the factory races them.
The engine conversion I'm doing... I'll keep the stock running 2.5 engine for development reasons. There is NO reason why we should'nt start working on cams/porting/rods/cranks/pistons... blah blah.. they are not going away.
B
I was talking to the owner of this car at Laguna yesterday and he says he had reduced the weight by 350lbs during his build of the car. Its a 2.7. More pictures on my website and SirAndy took a bunch as well I think.
Richard
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More fuel for thought: STOCK 300hp 996 engine bolts in. BoxsterS 6 speed tranny's can be had for 2500$
B
His class probably requires him to run some of the interior pieces we see (or meet a minimum weight)
It looks like "JProduction" is his class.
B
Sad news. I thought you guys were working on a Boxster motor kit for the 914.
Boxsterclub.com?
Hmmmm, Peridot might be looking to help sponsor something like this.
I have one friend who I'm working with doing the Boxster conversion in his 914.. it is going to require MAJOR surgery to get the engine to fit in between the inner control arm ears (like we are going to use Boxster rear suspension.)
It is sad... but why should I DUMP gobs of money into something that requires constant attention with 30 year old technology ? The Carrera Cup guy's and all late model Porsche drivers relax between rounds... we are cleaning up oil messes and dealing with other crap.
B
wife pretty much gave me the nod of approval to get Boxster when they hit the $10K range.....come on depriciation
Thats the way I want to go
R
I gave myself the "nod of aproval" when the boxters hit the 10k range... By then... I should be 25 (hehehe). Im sure dad will get one at that time or so.. and get rid of his 944... I'll pick that one up instead.. hehe
Seems like many others are out there racing the Boxsters already, but I guess they aren't officially recognized yet? Is that the deal?
http://www.iq.dynip.com/~racing/index.cgi
http://www.rahul.net/dennisp/boxster/boxster-mods-intake.shtml
Anyone read Japanese?
http://pbrc.dip.jp/~pbrc/03_10_13/index.html
http://pbrc.dip.jp/~pbrc/03_06_15/idlersclub_03_06_15.html
http://pbrc.dip.jp/~pbrc/02_9_21/index.html
Then there was this guy's car at the Time Trials last year. Chris Murphy? Murray? I think I was told owned this car. Woudn't the CHP love to have one of these babies?
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I love my Boxster. Lease is up March '05... think, I'll buy it out from PCNA and have some fun!
Yep,
Chris and I have spoken many times.. My friend Jason just bought the 3.2S engine from that race car for his 914.
Sooner or later all nice 914's will be garage queens just like the 356.. (which isnt a bad thing)
My thoughts are NOT to go wide body like Chris Murray's car but to stay narrow ala Carrera Cup style.
B
Ha ha... I crack myself up...
Just received a phone call from one of my engine suppliers.. check this out:
2003 complete 3.6L 300hp 996 engine with 3300 documented miles (the injection computer stores the mileage) still in the car with brain harness EVERYTHING.. for 6k. I told him SOLD. I'll pick it up before the German Autofest in a few weeks when I'm in SMELLA.
Why do we fool with air cooled engines again ??
B
Golly, I always thought the Boxster was an updated 914 (also, 550 and 356 included). My neighbor's 356's are not garage "Queens". He owns three of them and travels thoughout the South Western states with the Loma Prieta Club (POC). He even rebuilds everything and drives the "hell out of them". I think these are the only cars he owns that are dependable and he certainly enjoys them. Like he says, he is only seventy-five years young.
Lots of projects going on; these different activities are what make the 914 board interesting and viable.
I like all these cars and seriously believe the Boxster once it is shedded of the extra weight and provided the developments from the 911 programs, it will make history for Porsche factory and private racing teams. To me, it is a natural extension coming from the 550 and 914 cars in the evolution of the mid-engine sports racer.
I happy to see the different 914s are being developed in various ways with leading technologies, original restorations, V-8 and flat sixer conversions, etc. The thought of a Boxster engine, transaxle, and suspension in a 914 is fascinating. If only I had all the money to do all the different things going that members are involved with.
Keep having fun.
Steve Hurt
Shoguneagle
Jeroen,
I have spoken to many of the top race engineers that have been involved with 996/986 GrandAm cup cars on 18 inch Yoko slicks... they say: BullSH_T. The very first few engines had some issues but it wasnt G force induced oil starvation. The general consensus was: it was a internet folklore that got started and continues to run wild to this day.
B
I had read that many of the '99 Boxster engines had to be replaced prior to 30k miles. The factory claims it was a misaligned machine that inserted the piston liners and went unnoticed for 3 months which is probably alot of engines. So if you stay away from early '99 engines you should be okay. Someone should give a Boxster to URY and we'd find out how light they can be. Hopefully it wouldn't take 25 years for him to finish.
I was looking for a guinea pig to do a V8 conversion many months ago. I figured it would run 8-10k to do one.. no one took the bate.
Even Excellence is interested in a Cayenne V8 converted Boxster...
B
Yep.. "Drew" nailed it. Most of them have been replaced. I just wish somebody would show me some rules so I can nail down the race car build for the SCCA DP class.
I cant wait to tear into my first Boxster engine for research purposes... it will feel like my lawnmower 7th grade class project engine
B
Look at the big brain on Aaron..
Predator it is.. when I get a chance..
B
I just did a search on car-part.com. No engines listed. Preditor is cooool!
Copart.com is THE online auction house for wrecked cars..
I had to wait until a 996 arrived at my engine suppliers place in LA.
I'll ask if they have seen any Cayennes yet. It would not surprise me ONE bit if the bellhousing's are the same as the 6 cyl engines considering the amount of Audi influence between the companies.
I havent seen a Cayenne V8 out of a Cayenne yet.
B
I was just looking for someone who could be without their Boxster for several months while I sorted everything out. I was willing to cut the labor in half just to have the first one done and to own the rights to manufacture anything that was developed along the way. Just using numbers based on 914V8 conversions I have done.. 8-10K was more than reasonable.
B
B,
Just make sure you budget in time for one last air cooled project...mine!
I'm still going hunting with old technology!
Bill P.
BTW...I'm posting from Taiwan again....anyone got a job?
I'm serious...I've had it...I'm gone so much now...life just is a grind....
I'm depressed......
auto atlanta <_< . treadway moves lots of stuff for them. maybe to keep those who have had a bad experience from running away. anybody notice the red boxster on ebay, in nj, with no reserve?
kevin
those autoatlanta boys go through ebay name changes like a frat boy goes through beer.
Billet flywheels are easy.. we want to do a steel 7lb 5.5 or 7 multi disc with organic for the street (much like the Carrera GT)
James.. looking at the gearing in the stock 5 speed 2.5 tranny... it *should* work very nicely with the 300hp engine in front of it.
PowerHouse already has gears for the Boxster boxes....
Oh AASCo is Dennis Aase's business... from Aase Brothers fame...
B
Humm how much cabin room is in a boxster? More than a 914?
If B can get a plant for 6 grand, i think a 10 grand car with a wrecked engine can't be to hard to find, another 4 grand for the install?
So total a 20 grand car thats going to spank damned near anyone who comes up.
Hummm
In my stash here at HPH I have a BoxsterS 6 speed box that I *might* sell to my 3.6 conversion customer. I may or may not want to keep his 5 speed box. If you have some thoughts on product development I may offer it up for research. I actually dont like the way the 5 speed boxes do the cable shift setup... the 6 speed is a true cable shift box.
Let me know what you are thinking. It is time to start developing our future.
B
The 5 speed box it basically the 944 box with a shift rod that they hook lever arms to and ball joints for the cable ends. The 6 speed box has two small lever arms on the side. The 6speed uses the same shifting mechanism inside the box that the GT3RSR's use in their G50 race version box. Much better setup than 5 speed box.
B
Everyone knows you can't turbo a type IV - but what about a boxster engine??
What do you think would be possible HP wise?
Could it be done without tearing into the motor?
Smog legal?
Am I dreaming?
Fiid.
I think theres a supercharger kit for it to....
Ya... I wouldnt mind having a boxter.... But it aint staying stock for long....
The twin turbo kits have been out for some time now. Excellence did a write up last year on a twin turbo 986. Something like 425hp and it wasnt tuned correctly.
B
I had a student last year that had a Boxter, he had never been on the track before, so I get to drive the first two or three laps and point out flag stations, the line, and markers, turn in cones, the apex etc.. this is also an exercise so that the instructor gets a feel for the students car (old 911's and old 914s make an instrructor nervous LOL)
At the end of the first lap I knew this Boxter had some serious testosterone added.. It had POWER at every throttle position. Lots of POWER ..
I had to back out of the throttle a few times as in my region instructors arent encourages to realy push the students car...This is so we dont ball up someone elses car LOL and we dont set the bar to high for the student.
Anyhoo I found out on pit in, that this car had a supercharged 996 engine!!!
I think Knoxville superchargers suppied the kits..
something like 425 hp gobs of torque allegedly...
BTW Brad I think Tony Nuzzo sold his Boxter racercar to EBS, or they just are holding it now...
Yikes rambled again LOL
Tony sold his car several years back to Michael Lansky from Arizona (it was on the cover of Excellence a few years back with AZ flag in the hood) I'm not sure what EBS has to do with it right now.. Todd Zucconie (sp?) in AZ was who maintained the car for Michael. Last time I spoke with Michael his wife was splitting up with him and he was making an effort to sell off some goodies.
One of my next steps is to have a 986/996 engine adapter made for a Superflow dyno.
B
An awful lot of reason in this thread, and I HAVE most the four parts. Maybe I don't need a 3.6 914 after all.
What's that Mr. Stout (I believe it was him) said: "As was the case thirty years ago, the best roadster has two trunks."
Ok, here it is. I saw this thread coming at least 2 years ago. Brad, I think you're smart to be going down this path. As much as I like the little 914 I think the Boxster is a better car to make a living off of.
I've been in a real dilema for a while. I'm finally making a few bucks and a decent car is finally an option. The dilema? Now that I can afford something a little newer I don't know what to get. But all signs seem to be pointing 'Boxster'.
Lets assume a guy plans to spend $20-25k on his next car. This will be a dual purpose car (street/track) Do you buy a 2.5 boxster for $12-15k and dump $5-8k into it, or do you buy a high-miles 'S' for $25k and leave it 'as-is'? Are there other cars to consider that would provide a similar experience?
Some days I think I'll never make up my mind about what car I want. If I had $30k cash in hand today to go by a car with I honestly don't know what I would choose.
-Ben M.
ESSS
ayup,
IF you have a street / stock modified car... how plausible would it be to smog the 996 supercharged FrankenBoxster?
Whats the impact on SCCA and PCA classes of the S versus the 2.7. I have heard that a 2.7 is the way to go because of who you end up competing with if you go the 'S' route.
Richard
The 996 conversion car I'm doing is a street car.. not a race car. And yes.. Chris Murray has moved from one shop to another.
Richard,
Right now in PRC GT3 is up to 3.4L which is a stock early 996 engine in a Boxster or 996.
The plan is to buy 2.5l cars and flip whatever engine is legal for the SCCA DP class into the car.
B
I have a January 2001 European Car mag that has an article on a TechArt conversion of a 2.7L BoxsterS to a 3.4L at 310HP. Hmmm, Christmas present for the wife?
Gwen,
No the article I have is a black s with red interior that was done by TechArt. That thread is very interesting. I can see my wallet getting lighter....it's floating off into space....
Most big German tuners have done a 996 conversion or a turbo conversion on the Boxster
Ruf, Gemballa, TechArt (although the last 2 don't do any of their own engine work) and quite a few others
Hardly anyone is interested here... they all want a GT3
cheers,
Jeroen
Someone several of us know is going to test drive the Ruf 3400S and 3600S next week at their factory - I am sure he will have driving 'impressions' and pictures.
Richard
So, it's ok if I get a Boxster, and dump 914s?
It's going to be hard to watch them pull it away, but my teener obbsession is on it's deathbed.
How much trunk space in one of those things again?
Some days, I want to dump $20k on a last hurrah, and turn this car into the most expensive stock 914 to ever run, and other days... I wish I had a rusted out minivan... as long as it isn't from Venice Beach...
M
Boxsters or Briefs?
Briefs!
Yah Ben, I got smacked around this last go, and it's just not half the car it should have been.. parts are too far between, and I don't have the same energy level I had when it all started, and I was half my age.
...am I going to die soon?
M
Check this out....
2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER *CONV.* - $18750 (hayward / castro valley)
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Date: 2004-08-25, 12:07PM PDT
5-SPEED
AIR COND.
CRUISE CONTROL
CASSETTE CD PLAYER
CONVERTIBLE(OPENS&CLOSES GOOD)
FULL POWER
LEATHER SEATS W/HEATING
ABS
KEYLESS ENTRY
**NAVIGATION SYSTEM**
SILVER EXTERIOR
BLACK LEATHER INTERIOR
BLACK SOFT TOP
RUNS GREAT
53K MILES
EXCELLENT SHAPE.
THIS CAR DOES HAVE A SALVAGE TITLE. PLEASE CALL FOR MORE INFO: (510)376
WAY too much for a salvage title.. he is on crack.
B
Even with the 2000 2.7 and Nav? Ever heard of negotiating skills?
What's the value?
Maybe 13k... salvage title KILLS it.
I *guess* we could try and negotiate..
B
Why?
Seems like there would be decent $10,000 Boxsters all over Cali... ? For your needs, at least..
What's a roller worth?
M
I was at a car show a couple of weeks ago with a Boxster/996 conversion. Subtle hint on the windscreen:
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Our local PCA rag did a write up on the conversion. Beautiful car:
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porschegurl,
Yep, that is the one. Although I have the actual print copy of the magazine which also BTW debuts the "Carerra GT Supercar" with a statement about whether or not Porsche decides to produce it, so the article is somewhat dated.
Sounds like there are more than a few burnt out 914 owners out there...?
Well, when you're all ready to move into some more modern hardware and get rid of your air cooled stuff just give me a yell.
The club will have to change it's name soon.
M
Nah.. I'll always have 914's..and always work on them.. I just get tired of working on them 24/7 at track events.. It would be nice to show up/race/leave without a whole bunch of air cooled headaches. We even have issues at the AutoX events.. I have yet to attend an event where a 914 didnt leak or break something...LOL
The Boxster guy's stand around talking about the options on their cars.. we are thrashing in between rounds. I'm getting older..I would like to relax a little.
B
www.cheerleader.car.org is not taken!
M
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