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Posted by: Jakeodoule Dec 31 2011, 07:37 PM

A members car?

The ad says concourse restoration and appearance package.

Wrong mirrors, spoiler, no console.... Concourse?

Any guesses on what it will hammer for?
$6900 is my guess.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=41.1&aid=443&pop=0

Posted by: quadracerx Dec 31 2011, 07:53 PM

I think $ 6900.00 for that much I would expect the seller to at least vacuum the interor....GEEZ...LOL

Posted by: jim_hoyland Dec 31 2011, 08:06 PM

Didn't find 4762904033 in the VIN database, perhaps someone can add it. I'm on an iPad and can't do it

Posted by: pnewman Dec 31 2011, 08:07 PM

$6258.73

Do I get anything if I am the closest without going over?

Posted by: biosurfer1 Dec 31 2011, 08:45 PM

Yep...plus if you're within $500, you win both showcases!

Posted by: PancakePorsche Jan 1 2012, 01:28 AM

Serial number 4033 has to very close to the last 914 made.

Posted by: RobW Jan 1 2012, 02:47 AM

$4700

You think the resto could have included real mirrors, wheel caps, and a decent vacuum of the interior....

Posted by: watsonrx13 Jan 1 2012, 06:35 AM

$12,500.

--- Rob

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 1 2012, 07:06 AM

$8500

Posted by: URY914 Jan 1 2012, 07:35 AM

8501

Posted by: somd914 Jan 1 2012, 09:06 AM

Hmm, hard to say w/o knowing what mechanical restoration was performed (wonder why there is no mention of this), and hopefully the engine bay is cleaner than the interior.

Posted by: SUNAB914 Jan 1 2012, 09:32 AM

$10914, and thats only because of the exposure it will get.

Posted by: bembry Jan 1 2012, 09:32 AM

No kidding. That and pull off the POS rear spoiler, and it would have presented much better.

Posted by: John Jan 1 2012, 10:06 AM

From the two pictures, it doesn't look like a bad car. The real questions would be what does the hell hole look like, and what does it look like under the rockers.

Too bad anyone can write a misleading description. Like the others who posted before me, there are many non-original items and several missing items that in my opinion should not be missing if trying to get top dollar at an auction.

Mirrors are incorrect (and there is a passenger side mirror installed), missing center caps on the fuchs, front valence, rear spoiler, the -PORSCHE- stripes aren't "factory" either. I was also unaware that the interior had "glove soft leather" in it at all. Every stock one I have seen was vinyl.

While this looks like it may be in the same league with mine when I got it (but with missing and incorrect parts), and this one will be at auction (where many may not know what an original 914 should look like), I am going to guess this car will go for between $5,000 and $7,500.

Posted by: tod914 Jan 1 2012, 10:08 AM

Not to nick pick, but that's far from being "restored to original specifications", let alone a "concours restoration". Description isn't very honest. If the car has a reserve, I don't think it will sell. $4,000 is my guess, if it does.

Posted by: struckn Jan 1 2012, 03:00 PM

The guy that paid $250K for the Packard Woody Station Wagon will buy the Porsche for $15K to carry in the trunk as a spare.

Posted by: messix Jan 1 2012, 03:11 PM

"painted the correct Porsche factory color Wimbledon white base coat clear coat"


really!?



wow!!!


must be the rarest 914!!!

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 1 2012, 03:38 PM

Done ...

Posted by: pnewman Jan 1 2012, 03:38 PM

1$


I can't believe that nobody has gone there yet.

Posted by: messix Jan 1 2012, 03:40 PM

$1.01

Posted by: 914newguy Jan 1 2012, 03:49 PM

.99 cents.......lol Bob!

Posted by: messix Jan 1 2012, 03:52 PM

rules are cant bid over......

bid at $1.00

bid at $1.01

and you bid .99 = fail! \
fuchin newbie!!!

oh and

Posted by: Tom_T Jan 1 2012, 05:12 PM

Uncanny resemblance - at first I thought it was the same 914 from evil-bay - both are even missing the Fuchs center caps!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1975-2-0-w-factory-fuel-injection-?cmd=ViewItem&item=270879701110

IMHO the interior was NOT reupholstered, or if it was, then they didn't bother to replace the permanently compressed side bolster foam on the seats!

You guys have all hit the major incorrect stuff. I just love those descriptions that start: "All original survivor, except....." followed by a long list of what's not correct!

The side stripes aren't so bad though nor off, since the dealers sold those & often installed them before the customer requested them, along with radios, undercoating, etc. that added 50% profit margins to the "Dealer Price as Optioned" window sticker!

Had he used proper 914 pass. side mirror, I wouldn't mind that either under the same reasoning (available from dealers here), and it's a good safety f3eature in today's heavier traffic. ...and let's face it, this is really a nicely refurb'ed DD - if it runs good - not a CW show car at anything beyond local events.

No Reserve - I do believe he's stuck under $8500 or much lower, unless he finds "a bigger fool"!

Posted by: EdArango Jan 1 2012, 05:37 PM

Hey Tom...It is the same car that is on EvilBay....Compare the 4th picture to the B/J photo.

ED

Posted by: MoveQik Jan 1 2012, 05:52 PM

The eBay ad:

Here is what is left for you; the paint is not perfect as it is not original and has scratches and a chip. I have seen evidence of original yellow from a chip on inside door jam, the engine compartment is white and the rear trunk is white but the front trunk is black and should have been white. I would have not put new decals on a bad paint job, I'm just saying it is not perfect. I now have some surface rust in rear trunk were water sits when cleaned and one spot inside drivers door. The Hell hole is solid but the actual battery pan has a little rust. It is stilll very solid for the battery therefore I did not feel the need to replace even though it was cheap enough. The interior dash and leather covers on sides of windshield are cracked and need replaced.

The BJ description:

The car was purchased by me, dismantled to rolling shell. The doors, deck lid and trunk were removed and the body was stripped to bare metal as well as the jams and trunk. The car was block sanded, primered and painted the correct Porsche factory color Wimbledon white base coat clear coat. The car was then reassembled.

WTF?

Posted by: mrholland2 Jan 1 2012, 06:20 PM

I'll spend $9.14 on it just because no one else has.

Posted by: somd914 Jan 1 2012, 06:30 PM

Well, something is a little fishy here. Not sure if I'd ever trust a BJ auction after seeing this.

BTW, someone needs to teach the owner the difference between leather and vinyl...

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 1 2012, 07:56 PM

Exact same pictures!

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 1 2012, 07:59 PM

Hmmm, same pictures but different VIN numbers. Also, the car on ebay used to be yellow.

Posted by: infraredcalvin Jan 1 2012, 09:57 PM

I hope you were kidding as the auction guys are generally crooks especially BJ. I've been to seveal of the biggies from BJ to Christie's and they all 'embellish' in one way or another. This must have been a favor to someone or part of a larger collection because the commission would be half the hamer drop.

Posted by: somd914 Jan 2 2012, 08:34 AM

Never thought much of BJ to begin with, but sounds like some of the more reputable ones aren't much better. I personally couldn't see buying a car at an auction, the concept of buying based on visual inspection and the auctioneer's word is a little scary in my mind. This car in particular ought to send knowledgeable buyers running for the hills and asking some questions about the auction house.

Posted by: 914.SBC Jan 2 2012, 10:13 AM

Why a 1976 vintage I am sure there are way better quality cars out there than than one.

Posted by: orange914 Jan 2 2012, 01:07 PM

I'd disagree, they are a well run business that I think has had a great impact on the older car market both buyers and sellers. The greased palms and commisions are part of the experiance. IMO

Posted by: Jakeodoule Jan 10 2012, 04:46 PM

Looks like a different car now. No mirrors at all. Check out the sloppy weld repair on the trunk hinge

Should fetch over 10 now I would think.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=41.1&aid=443&pop=0

Posted by: tod914 Jan 10 2012, 04:54 PM

That one is very nice. Only thing that really sticks out to me, is the seats. Other little items don't really detract from the car too much. Paintwork looks great. With Jake on this, over 10K.

Posted by: Ferg Jan 10 2012, 04:56 PM

Over 13k

Posted by: Drums66 Jan 10 2012, 05:17 PM

....$7,500

Posted by: SUNAB914 Jan 11 2012, 07:20 AM

I don't see anything wrong with that! Good looking car, original smog also.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jan 11 2012, 08:25 AM

I do not know if that is the original white or not, but it looks pretty darn nice to me. Add some mirrors and get rid of the polished Fuchs for the original look Fuchs and it looks good. I think $10,000+ is likely. I would go higher but with it being a '76 and the smog requirement in CA I would have to consider that.

Posted by: orange914 Jan 11 2012, 11:17 AM

Barrett's prices are coming back up recently

Posted by: John Jan 11 2012, 11:49 PM

It does look like better pictures. However, not original as it is advertised as being.

I may be too harsh, but by judging by the bubblegum welds on the rear trunk pivot on the passenger side, I would be a bit leery of what is hiding under the fresh paint.

I'm also not sure why the seats were redone like they were. They do look nice, but on an otherwise original looking car, I think they detract.

My revised guess is 12,500 if it does sell. These are gaining attention, but still not a real popular car. A 73' 2.0 in similar condition SHOULD fetch more.

Posted by: struckn Jan 17 2012, 09:36 PM

SOLD IT SOLD IT SOLD IT


$ 17,050

Posted by: Ferg Jan 18 2012, 10:11 AM

No surprise here

Posted by: struckn Jan 18 2012, 02:09 PM

Not surprised either, I thought it would get into the mid teens plus the sell price included the commisions on top of the cost.

Posted by: Type 47 Jan 18 2012, 09:19 PM

That's just about right for BJ...double what it is actually worth.

it just goes to show you that the money hungry dopes (did I type that out loud????) at BJ don't understand anything but antiques and muscle cars. I hate...did I type that out loud again...dislike the BJ, only care about stuffing millions of stupid un-earned $$'s in their already fat wallets, while perverting the car hobbie bastards.

Posted by: ThePaintedMan Jan 18 2012, 10:30 PM

BJ is right up there with Pawn Stars and the rest of those GD shows. Taking a poor suckers money to sell the thing for twice or three times what its worth, or giving someone half of what you're going to sell it for. Goes to show you that there will always be plenty of people with far more money than sense. Granted, I'm spending all my time piecing together a car thats a total rust bucket (and some would have said total loss), but I don't expect to spend more than 1,500 when I'm done to have a great car to drive!

-George

Posted by: orange914 Jan 18 2012, 11:35 PM

There are cost involved with a high visability sale such as BJ, just like the price differance when buying at a dealership vrs. Joe public. Not to speak highly of dealships sometimes.
I sometimes am baffled at how low some teener owners think of these cars value. They are an underrated & an increadable value relitive to most collectable/sports car or what ever you may classify them as. I've got no skin in the game at the moment as I'm 914less so I've no reason to say this except I hate seeing someone kick themself in the teeth, especially teeners, lots of quality peeps
just my 02c

Posted by: Type 47 Jan 19 2012, 11:14 PM

The cost to put on the BJ Scottsdale auction is pretty small when you consider the vendor sale commisions, the gate receipts, the TV revenues, and oh yeah the 20% commision on $70M in hammer sales.

Posted by: stuttgart46 Jan 20 2012, 07:34 AM

That is the reason that the majority of people on this board would probably go to BJ to look but never buy. We know better.
Have you noticed how many cars roll of the block with a brake light or tail light out? I saw a beautiful '68 Mustang go for a ton of $ then roll off with only 1 working brake light. It may sound petty but for that kind of money everything better work.

Posted by: RobW Jan 20 2012, 08:14 AM

Great. How many ding dong brokers will be asking the moon for marginal 914s now saying - "you know one sold at BJ for $17M..."

uh, OK.

Posted by: SLITS Jan 20 2012, 08:20 AM

I've been watching it sporadically .... one word comes to mind ... ABSURD!

If you drink enough, it might all make sense.

Posted by: MoveQik Jan 20 2012, 08:25 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that good for us as 914 owners? I wish it would have sold for more.

I can't for the life of me figure out why in the world you guys complain when our cars sell for top dollar, regardless of the reason.

As for BJ, no need to hate on them just because they have figured out a way to create a buzz and atmosphere that sells cars for top dollar. No one is forcing the buyers to pay those prices. Some might even call it a very successful business model.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 20 2012, 08:47 AM

Great Price and yes auctions pull good $$.

i wish i would have shipped a car down.

Posted by: MoveQik Jan 20 2012, 08:53 AM

You should have told me, I would have driven the green one over. I can see the tents from my house.

Posted by: RobW Jan 20 2012, 09:14 AM

It all depends on whether you are buying or selling.... and who's complaining?

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 20 2012, 09:58 AM

same seller unloaded a 914 last year in the $14k range.

k

Posted by: rjames Jan 20 2012, 12:01 PM

I bought my car to drive, not as an investment. I'd rather they stay somewhat 'affordable'.

Posted by: rjames Jan 20 2012, 12:01 PM

removed double post.

Posted by: MoveQik Jan 20 2012, 01:16 PM

So did I. However, if their value happens to go up, I am certainly not going to complain. Just means I am driving a more expensive car.

Posted by: jgara962 Jan 20 2012, 08:28 PM

Who complains about something they own going up in price??? It is something I've noticed regularly since joining this board and have found completely odd.

Posted by: jgara962 Jan 20 2012, 08:41 PM

Anyone see the 914 get a quick 30 second feature between commercials as the only foreign car to pace the Daytona 500? Pretty cool.

Posted by: MoveQik Jan 20 2012, 08:48 PM

Maybe we think alike because we joined the board the same day.

Posted by: jgara962 Jan 20 2012, 09:19 PM

Posted by: Type 47 Jan 20 2012, 09:19 PM

No it's not really good, especially for those that are interested in becoming 914 owners. BJ is reality TV, a playground for rich car guys who don't mind being on TV seen spending $$.

Problem is now that aN ok, not great, 914 was seen on TV being sold for $17k every car dealer that gets their hands an a 914 is going to set the asking price @ $17k.

Even though BJ is just a TV show it has effected the real collcetor car market. People see a 69' Camaro hammer for $100k and people (like parts suppliers) think all 69 Camaros are worth $100k. Resto parts suppliers adjust their prices but still offer the same parts that just don't fit very well (that's the really diff between a $100k Camaro and a $25k; one has had 100's of hours of body work spent making the resto parts fit).

Yes, you shouldn't hate BJ, but ask any classic car dealer and see what they have to say about BJ. I've asked dealers in St. Louis, San Deigo, Des Moines, KC, Bismarck, and other places what they thought about BJ. All but one were cussing by the time they had completed one sentance....the one that didn't turned out to be a friend of Craig Jackson.

and yes no one is forcing the rich car guys to pay outrages prices...they are happy to pay them. it's the guy trying to buy a classic car and is priced out b/c the whole market has jumped up. The guy who could afford a $20k car now can't swing it b/c its now $28k.

So it's now it's OK for dealers to ask $17k for a 914? You can buy a 99' Corvette with 350hp that handles better than a 99' 911 for $17K.

Do you think anyone @ Automoble Atlanta noticed?

Posted by: Jake Raby Jan 20 2012, 09:37 PM

I have also never understood this. Hell, one reason why I chose that my next rest would be a 356 is because it is a profitable experience when the car actually does sell... Hell even guys with Beetles don't bitch when the cars escalate in value! 914s are finally worth an expenditure of funds to build a nice one and people complain. Typical.

Nothing like wasting hundreds of hours of your life to build a car that you have to sell for 1/2 what you have invested. People do it everyday.

Posted by: jgara962 Jan 20 2012, 09:41 PM

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No it's not really good, especially for those that are interested in becoming 914 owners. BJ is reality TV, a playground for rich car guys who don't mind being on TV seen spending $$.

Problem is now that aN ok, not great, 914 was seen on TV being sold for $17k every car dealer that gets their hands an a 914 is going to set the asking price @ $17k.

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It was sold on a Thursday afternoon? Who could have possibly seen it?

Here's a car for everyone worried about 914's getting to expensive

Posted by: Type 47 Jan 20 2012, 10:12 PM

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It was sold on a Thursday afternoon? Who could have possibly seen it?


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Thursday is the 3rd day of the auction...I start watching on Tuesday.

Posted by: orange914 Jan 20 2012, 10:58 PM

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No it's not really good, especially for those that are interested in becoming 914 owners. BJ is reality TV, a playground for rich car guys who don't mind being on TV seen spending $$.

Problem is now that aN ok, not great, 914 was seen on TV being sold for $17k every car dealer that gets their hands an a 914 is going to set the asking price @ $17k.

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It was sold on a Thursday afternoon? Who could have possibly seen it?

Here's a car for everyone worried about 914's getting to expensive


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Posted by: Hammy Jan 21 2012, 01:22 AM

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No it's not really good, especially for those that are interested in becoming 914 owners. BJ is reality TV, a playground for rich car guys who don't mind being on TV seen spending $$.

Problem is now that aN ok, not great, 914 was seen on TV being sold for $17k every car dealer that gets their hands an a 914 is going to set the asking price @ $17k.

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It was sold on a Thursday afternoon? Who could have possibly seen it?

Here's a car for everyone worried about 914's getting to expensive


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Nice.

Posted by: MDG Jan 21 2012, 06:25 AM

Absolutely. It's a sign prices are recovering. In 2008 very nice examples of 914's were selling in the $20k range.

And that '99 Vette you mention will continue to depreciate. You've just illustrated the difference between buying a vintage or 'collector' car versus buying a used car. Personally, I'd rather be driving and enjoying my 914's while they appreciate in value than buying a used Chev than will continue to lose value for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: scott_in_nh Jan 21 2012, 08:30 AM

Yeah I saw that

In my youth I had a 68 BB Charger that I bought from my uncle. A couple of years ago he said, "I wished I still had that car. Do you know what that would be worth today?

I said yeah, about "$20,000 less than it would cost to resore it"

He didn't get it and neither does J.Q. Public.

You can still find nice cars at nice prices, including 914's, muscle cars and vettes, if you shop the right condition in the right places.

Did anybody watch the 1st day of the auction? There were a lot of nice drivers going for short dollars (for BJ).

Locally there is a "classic" car dealer that always has reasonable prices for driver quality cars.

If you want an unrestored or over restored car you are going to have to pay.

I don't see how that has changed since the beginning of the collector car hobby 50-60 years ago.

PS A Pinto in that condition would go for more at BJ than I paid for my 914!

Posted by: SLITS Jan 21 2012, 09:41 AM

I think I'll run my /6 conversion thru BJ. It's gotta be worth $60K.

Think they'll get upset when I leak oil all over their undercarriage cam, blow oil on those red dresses the cheerleaders wear or on the 1970 Judge that's behind me on the "on deck cam"? They should be honored as I only use Liquid Titanium & Brad Penn.

Posted by: boxstr Jan 21 2012, 11:38 AM

Las year I sold a 74 914 to Dave Martindale and he did a beautiful restoration on that 914.
This is another one that I sold him this year.
One thing that you have to factor into your evaluation of these cars that you see in the catalog pics from BJ. They may have been taken before the car was finished or they may have been taken long before the restoration process was started.
BJ requires pics of the car that you as a seller are consigning long before the auction so that they can get the press material ready to go to print.
Last years pics showed they 914 still sitting without much of the trim and the interior and wheels were put on just for the photo op deadline.
Do not judge how the cars look in the pictures, ,because they probably won't show up at BJ looking the same way.
Craig at CAMP

Posted by: Jake Raby Jan 21 2012, 01:57 PM

BJ is not one of the primary auctions where Porsches bring real bucks... Most of those auctions are by invite only, or open to very small groups.

Posted by: Type 47 Jan 21 2012, 09:31 PM

BJ is the premier auction in the eys of public awareness b/c of TV coverage...but you are correct that they are not a primary auto auctions for P cars or muscle cars as well.

BJ is fantasy TV and for the most part just for rich guys that want to buy stuff on TV.

unfortunately is affects prices in the car hobby.

Actually, when BJ is going on there are 5-6 other auctions going on in the same area (Phoenix) during the week. They are not necessarily by invitation...but you have to have a fat wallet to walk into most of the other auctions...you have to have a wallet to get in the BJ bidder area...but you have to be able to drop 6 fig's at the others.

Posted by: abnrdo Jan 21 2012, 09:37 PM

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No it's not really good, especially for those that are interested in becoming 914 owners. BJ is reality TV, a playground for rich car guys who don't mind being on TV seen spending $$.

Problem is now that aN ok, not great, 914 was seen on TV being sold for $17k every car dealer that gets their hands an a 914 is going to set the asking price @ $17k.

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It was sold on a Thursday afternoon? Who could have possibly seen it?

Here's a car for everyone worried about 914's getting to expensive


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If you can find one, they rusted as fast as the Vega. You could warm your hands in the winter they rusted so fast.....