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Posted by: dan10101 Aug 28 2004, 03:23 PM

Sooo... Recieved my T/O bearing yesterday... Today Im trying to put it in.. We... As you can see. its exactly the same as the stock one. Did I tell the lady at KEP the wrong thing?? I told her its for a 901 trani, for use on a v8 with their KEP clutch/pressure plate package.

What to do?


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Posted by: dan10101 Aug 28 2004, 03:24 PM

Pressure plate..


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 28 2004, 04:50 PM

See if the fingers line up perfectly with the stocker they sent.

That old school pressure plate may use a stock throwout bearing.

2700lb ?? Your clutch tube will hate you and your left leg will be bigger than your right leg.



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Posted by: Martin Baker Aug 28 2004, 06:25 PM

In the process of fixing my clutch tube right now from a DUMP TRUCK Type clutch in my poor little 914. How much clutch does one need in a 1900-2100 pound car...I could see it in a BIG BLOCK CHEVELLE Drag Car ( Heavy car with a ton of HP). Shouldn't race cars should be fast and comfortable while driving them? I have that in mind for my GT Replica...

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 28 2004, 11:36 PM

Brad, I know my clutch tube will hate me.. but my cable will hate me even more.. Its going to snap... alot....

Therefore, Im going to go with a hydrolic clutch.... (within the year... when budget permits... Im guessing about 500 bucks for a DIYer like myself... you know.. the most cheap ass person on the plannet... getting away with a v8 conversion for $1500 total)

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 28 2004, 11:38 PM

Oh ya.. I have a "clutch throw extender".. attatches to the clutch pedal or something.... I think that will help with the hard clutch pedal or something... I dono..

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 11:05 AM

Save yourself the headache NOW and buy a new clutch assembly BEFORE you assemble this setup.

I really really wish you would have told me about the clutch arm extender... this would have ended this thread and the others many moons ago.

The extender does away with the need for the thicker KEP throw out bearing. The problem is: whether or not you have enough room for the throw out bearing arm to fully move back before hitting the case.

It sounds like you have everything you need to make it happen.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Aug 29 2004, 11:23 AM

Andy or Dan,
Can you post a pic of the clutch extender?

Brad,
I've been looking into full clutch/adapter choices for my bigger engine. I need to confirm specs and pricing. So far my choices for the 901 are:

KEP: stage IV PP, custom 228 flywheel, ? disk, adapter, gear red starter. KEP can make a custom flywheel to work with my Jaide set up.

Renegade HIGH PERFORMANCE 9" CLUTCH UPGRADE: 2500# pressure plate, custom made billet flywheel, kevlar clutch disc, starter

Simpson: 215mm: includes stage 2 sachs pressure plate, Kevlar disc, throw-out bearing, and 911SC starter

Felix

Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 11:37 AM

The extender that we have isn't for the clutch fork. Its on the pedal assembly.

It looks like time for clutch reevaluation...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 11:40 AM

OK.. Back in the day. They sold a throttle arm extender that went on the pedal assembly.

Dan,

Call me at the shop on Monday so I can call KEP and get this sorted for you.

650-364-6234

How did the conversation with KEP go ?? Did you tell them it was a Green 2700lb 3 finger pressure plate on a 215mm flywheel ??


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 11:43 AM

Felix,

From what I gather (done 3 lately) Renegade is just reselling the KEP flywheel/pp and selling their own kevlar style disc.

KEP doesnt "rate" their pressure plates anymore. That is why they call them "stage..blah blah"



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Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 11:45 AM

Dan,

I'm concerned about this for one reason: Very early in my conversion carreer I had a very powerful V8 914 customer car that would smoke clutch after clutch... it finally came down to the wrong throwout bearing. I want yours to be correct the first time. No guessing. No questions. With the wrong throw out bearing you can adjust the clutch to disengage but it would NOT disengage completely. It will slip.


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Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 11:59 AM

Heres the clutch throw extender.

And yes, my other pedal assymbly is rebuilt....

Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 12:00 PM

pic...


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 12:01 PM

Yes. That is how they are getting away with the stock style throw out bearing. Put it together.


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Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 12:02 PM

Brad, I told them it was for a 901 trani to their 215mm clutch/pressure plate assymbly.

I am starting school tomorrow.. I'll see if dad can give you a call around lunch tomorrow.

Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 12:04 PM

Alright, I'll put it together..

I'll be blocking off the secondary's for a while for this engine till I get used to the power, and other stuff...

Thanks Brad.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 12:09 PM

That is "RootBeer" correct ??LOL

Your bag is MIA. I owe you money.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Aug 29 2004, 12:14 PM

Yeah, they quoted me a stage IV but their website only lists up to III. How do you feel about the Kevlar discs?

KEP said they can make a custom PP for my Jaide so I can keep the Chevy starter...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 12:22 PM

Stay away from the Kevlar discs. I just pulled another one out. I dont like the way they GRAB when you let off the clutch. I want smooth engagement like EVERY car sold today with a standard tranny. I really dont see the benefit. I'm all for technology... but it had better work.

Your options should be wide open with your setup. Go 228 stage III organic disc.



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Posted by: Andyrew Aug 29 2004, 02:03 PM

Brad, Thats ok, you dont owe me any money. Heck I completely forgot about that stupid thing! lol.

A nice window sticker (to hide my window crack... yes, going to get a new one later..) would be good nuf considering all the help you've given me and the rest of the people here.



Its a root beer float... theres way to much fizz at the top for it to be just plain root beer.. Heck the fizz is staying as well.. nother reason...

Posted by: Mueller Aug 29 2004, 02:52 PM

semi-hyjack

Hey Brad,

did you order my conversion parts? do I need the special T/O bearing with the pressure plate I am buying from you??

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 02:55 PM

Your are receiving a "kit" Mikey. Should be here mid next week. I'm not sure which throwout bearing we will get. She just said it was part of the kit.


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Posted by: Andyrew Aug 29 2004, 03:47 PM

"Have mikey try the VR6 conversion, he'll try anything!" "Hey I think he likes it!"

Sorry... That just reminded me of Life cereal...

Posted by: Rider914 Aug 29 2004, 08:41 PM

I once used this same used P Plate (green) from page 1. I burned disks yearly. The thing would not hold the torque. . .

Then I traded it in to Kennedy for their new stage 3 with metalic pucks. No slip - the 315 35 zr 17's on the rear will.

Yes, the metalic is an on / off switch. Big change from the sorta on sorta off switch that it was. I am ok with the chatter.

I don't remember the exact price, but it wasn't much if you trade in the old one. Much easier to press the petal in, and you dont wear out t.o. bearings as quickly with the huge force required to press that green one in.

Posted by: Rider914 Aug 29 2004, 08:51 PM

... And the other reason for the Metalics, I have a bit of 20w 50 "rust preventer" leaks. The metalic disk will just burn it up and grip. The old 3 finger P Plate would wallow when it slipped and would leave some parts of the clutch disk worn more than others, and yes, I torqued it down carefully. Kennedy says that this is very critical. . .

Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 11:08 PM

One of our benifactors sold us a flywheel that he used with a kevlar disk. With only a few hundered miles on it, the flywheel is heat spotted. Light usage, normal HP V8.


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Posted by: dan10101 Aug 29 2004, 11:14 PM

I forgot to add why the post. He was concerned about the heat spots and wanted to know if the Kevlar disks cause them.

I would like to know if it can be salvaged. If so, the crank pattern is smaller than our other flywheel. Won't fit our 74-82ish 350. Could it be a later crank bolt pattern?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Aug 29 2004, 11:35 PM

Turn it just like you would any other flywheel. It is for a later model engine..


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Posted by: bondo Aug 30 2004, 12:37 AM

Brad: nevermind about the kevlar disk I've been semi-bugging you about... I don't want grab.

Dan/Andrew: Think that flywheel would fit a much later crank? (1993 LT1) If so, I'd be interested in buying it if you wanted to sell it. (if it takes a 228mm clutch)

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 30 2004, 10:15 AM

Bondo, its already spoken for... But if that guy falls through when I mention price.. (which btw I have no clue...) Then I'll gladly sell it to you. But he spoke up about it 2 weeks ago so he has first bids... I have the P plate for it and clutch for the 901... Any idea's on price?

Andrew

Posted by: bondo Aug 30 2004, 12:08 PM

Kennedy quoted me a bit over $500 for a flywheel, stage III pressure plate and disk. I don't know what the breakdown was though. Dunno what it's worth used. Resurfacing and balancing the flywheel will probably cost close to $100. Just resurfacing would be much less, but if any significant amount is taken off it should probably be balanced. Are the heat marks just discoloration or does it have tiny cracks? (you might need to use a dye to see the cracks) I have seen a flywheel with cracks on the surface, and after machining they were gone, but I'm sure they had to take off quite a bit.

Posted by: rey Aug 30 2004, 01:48 PM

Hey Guy's,

This is interesting to me cuz I'm looking for the set up to mate a sbc 283 to my 901 would this be considered an early fly vw wheel . What parts should I be looking for .
I need all the basic things. like adapter plate, clutch which type , basically every thing. Thanks for the Help. This BBS is fantastic.
Thanks again.

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 30 2004, 05:40 PM

The clutch pressure plate and flywheel has like 300 miles on it... So I doubt there are any cracks...