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Posted by: rwilner Feb 22 2012, 10:33 AM
I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.
What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?
Posted by: Tom_T Feb 22 2012, 12:15 PM
Best to get the HP headlight relay kit & upgrade to 80/100w bulbs.
55/65w is the best you can do with stock wiring & relays, so the $25+/- spent for the relay kit is worth it.
I did it on our 88 Westy Vanagon & it made a huge difference - wished I'd done it 24 years ago when new! 
Posted by: larryM Feb 22 2012, 02:04 PM
agreed - got em on my sixer for many yrs
- they will turn night into day as the ads say
you can't run that wattage thru the stock headlite switch, so you must get the relays
concours judges don't like them tho - "non-oem" as it were
Best to get the HP headlight relay kit & upgrade to 80/100w bulbs.
so the $25+/- spent for the relay kit is worth it.
I did it on our 88 Westy Vanagon & it made a huge difference - wished I'd done it 24 years ago when new!
Posted by: oldschool Feb 22 2012, 02:06 PM
Are we talking the same set up that people do on the early 911?
Posted by: jsayre914 Feb 22 2012, 02:14 PM
I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.
What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?
If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back
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Posted by: rwilner Feb 22 2012, 02:24 PM
HP headlight relay kit
I am googling this but more info please if you have it. I found a relay upgrade kit at busdepot...is this the same thing?
Posted by: oldschool Feb 22 2012, 02:29 PM
I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.
What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?
If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back
$.....buy?
Posted by: Krieger Feb 22 2012, 02:46 PM
Who has the HID kits?
Posted by: RickS Feb 22 2012, 04:47 PM
"If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back"
Yeah, but do you get a true low beam AND high beam? I got a kit for my Audi a few years back and it said it included high beam but it was marginally better at best. What about blinding others, did you point your lights down or do you blind people and say 'tough luck'. Is there some kind of beam cut-off for non-HID engineered headlights?
Posted by: eric9144 Feb 22 2012, 05:22 PM
Who has the HID kits?
Pelican Parts sells them...
Posted by: RickS Feb 23 2012, 12:45 AM
Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.
Posted by: rwilner Feb 23 2012, 09:58 AM
Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...
They sell a http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/more_info.cgi?pn=ST-HID-H4BI-4300&catalog_description=Stealth%20Auto%20HID%20Headlight%20Kit%20%28includes%202%20Slim%20Ballasts%2C%202%20Xenon%20bulbs%2C%20cable%20ties%20and%20power%20socket%20connectors%29%2C%20Type%20H4%20Dual%20Filament%20bulbs%2C%204300K%20tempthat gives you both high and low beam. This will retrofit into H4 lenses, which are purchased separately from the kit. The lens/HID package is around $300.
Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays.
me too. do you have a relay selected and a source? is a kit available?
Posted by: jcd914 Feb 23 2012, 10:26 AM
Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.
Too many people out there "upgrade" lighting without regard to the rest of the people out on the road.
Jim
Posted by: RickS Feb 23 2012, 10:27 AM
Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...
They sell a http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/more_info.cgi?pn=ST-HID-H4BI-4300&catalog_description=Stealth%20Auto%20HID%20Headlight%20Kit%20%28includes%202%20Slim%20Ballasts%2C%202%20Xenon%20bulbs%2C%20cable%20ties%20and%20power%20socket%20connectors%29%2C%20Type%20H4%20Dual%20Filament%20bulbs%2C%204300K%20tempthat gives you both high and low beam. This will retrofit into H4 lenses, which are purchased separately from the kit. The lens/HID package is around $300.
Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays.
me too. do you have a relay selected and a source? is a kit available?
I am thinking this can be probably be modified to work: http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/more_info.cgi?pn=JWST-911-HLPR&catalog_description=Headlight%20Relay%20Kit%2C%20%39%31%31%20%28%31%39%37%34%2D%38%39%29%20
Posted by: mrholland2 Feb 23 2012, 11:33 AM
Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.
Too many people out there "upgrade" lighting without regard to the rest of the people out on the road.
Jim
I drive a fairly tall vehicle most of the time (Honda Element) and I am constantly blinded by improperly aimed headlights. It is FAR more about the aiming than the wattage when it comes to blinding your fellow travelers. I also bought blue tinted lamps for the Element. After being blinded, I find that I focus back on the road much more quickly with the blue tint and my eye doctor says that it is common to be able to do that especially with aging (46 year old) eyes.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 23 2012, 12:12 PM
It appears Tom did a "hit-n-run"
I'm guessing HP just means high powered?
Posted by: Travis Neff Feb 23 2012, 12:35 PM
They have a pre-fab relay kit here
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=1247
Obviously you would need ot extend the main power lead, but the rest is plug & play
Posted by: RickS Feb 23 2012, 01:36 PM
same here: http://www.streetsideauto.com/p/painless-wiring-30815/
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 23 2012, 01:38 PM
These relays are located by the lights?
The Bus Depot stuff is 1/2 the price. I'd be concerned with how it ties in with the stock plugs (blig plastic shielded boxes).
All doable though...
Posted by: Travis Neff Feb 23 2012, 01:52 PM
I think these kits are meant to be near the headlights, as I am sure they were made on front engined/front battery cars.
Posted by: peteyd Feb 23 2012, 02:16 PM
Which kits is this?
Best to get the HP headlight relay kit & upgrade to 80/100w bulbs.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 23 2012, 02:50 PM
See post #16
Here's the Bus Depot kit. Seems to be the best for our application. Might feasibly mount under the crank covers up front for a clean install.
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=HRK1
Posted by: RickS Feb 23 2012, 02:57 PM
They have a pre-fab relay kit here
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=1247
Obviously you would need ot extend the main power lead, but the rest is plug & play
I went with Travis' suggested vendor and bought the harness, 3 100/80 bulbes (1 spare) and the euro H4 7" lamps for about $200. Should be a HUGE improvement and I will not be blinding oncoming people.
So who wants to buy my perfect DOT approved H4s with 55/60 bulbs for $20 plus shipping which were a big upgrade from the standard sealed beams which did not require relays?
Posted by: partwerks Feb 23 2012, 10:44 PM
I haven't got mine installed yet, but I got them here: http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=0301600118
I got the headlight conversion kit and the H4 55/100 watt bulbs for a total of $72.00 including shipping.
Posted by: rwilner Feb 24 2012, 07:03 AM
I haven't got mine installed yet, but I got them here: http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=0301600118
I got the headlight conversion kit and the H4 55/100 watt bulbs for a total of $72.00 including shipping.
Did you buy the relay kit? You should purchase and install that before you put your brights on -- my understanding is that the stock switch and wiring isn't sized to handle the 100w output.
Posted by: partwerks Feb 24 2012, 07:36 AM
My retired electrician is going to wire it up for me, and get whatever relays are required for it at Radio Shack, and also install the PWM so I can tone down the air craft landing lights if a person wants to utilize them in town without burning something up.
Maybe when the weather becomes more favorable this spring.
Posted by: eyecolor Feb 26 2012, 07:54 PM
I will definately buy them from you if they also do not require a relay addition
Thanks
George O.
So who wants to buy my perfect DOT approved H4s with 55/60 bulbs for $20 plus shipping which were a big upgrade from the standard sealed beams which did not require relays?
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Posted by: Haudiosolutions Feb 26 2012, 09:00 PM
So who wants to buy my perfect DOT approved H4s with 55/60 bulbs for $20 plus shipping which were a big upgrade from the standard sealed beams which did not require relays?
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If they aren't snapped up yet, I'll buy them!
Posted by: RickS Feb 26 2012, 10:33 PM
They went in nano-seconds. Will be shipping them out on Monday. Thanks for the interest, Next pair I will have to raise to $50, but there is no next pair.
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