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Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 07:05 PM

Any one run one? Is there a "proper" location on rear bumper?

I really don't want to put 3rd brake light on, I think this was a dealer option.

Posted by: tiim5 Sep 22 2004, 07:11 PM

I think these were 'rear fog lights', usually installed on the drivers side on 911s just below the bumper, very popular in Europe. I have one I am thinking if installing as well. I might have it come on with the foglites and possible use it as a third brake lite. would need to change the bulb holder.

Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 07:14 PM

I was just going to wire it to come on with the brakes

Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 07:21 PM

Check this out, ~ 1/2 price of preformance products

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/backup.asp

$43

21 watt

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 22 2004, 07:30 PM

rear fog light
not intended to run with the brakes!

ever wondered what that last stamped hole in your dash subframe is for that no one ever uses?
you got that right!
it's supposed to be switched. and yes, it's a europe thing. you have to have one.
and you can only use it if visibility is under 50 meters. and only in foggy weather, not rain.
and it's supposed to be *much* brighter than brake lights. (which is why you shouldn't run it with your brakes, it'll blind people in normal weather).

Andy

Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 07:35 PM

Sweet, They were too close anyway

:finger2:

Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 07:36 PM

anyone have a picture of "proper" mounting?

Posted by: aircooledboy Sep 22 2004, 08:14 PM

Bad news Whip. I wasn't going to say anything, until I saw you were from Illinois. I don't know about other states, but it is illegal in Illinois to have a rear facing white light that operates while the vehicle is in motion.

(I'm an attorney here in Illinois, and I do traffic and criminal law 10 hours a day. )

Posted by: Joe Ricard Sep 22 2004, 08:20 PM

My wife's Mini Cooper has front fog lights and when switched on also increase the intensity of the tail lights. Still red but considerably brighter.

Posted by: seanery Sep 22 2004, 08:22 PM

Chris scroll down to 81101

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 22 2004, 08:29 PM

the rear fog lights are red.

Andy

Posted by: aircooledboy Sep 22 2004, 08:30 PM

huh. . . .. ? me?

Posted by: aircooledboy Sep 22 2004, 08:32 PM

Nevermind

Posted by: qa1142 Sep 22 2004, 09:11 PM

Yep,
Rear red "fog" lights

Red like your face.

I did have a "79 Westfalia with a extra single 55 watt back up light, never hit any poles in reverse!

Posted by: tod914 Sep 23 2004, 07:48 AM

Out of curiosity, does any one have a picture on how/where they are mounted? Attached to the bumper I pressume?

Posted by: tod914 Sep 23 2004, 07:57 AM

Performance Products version is $89.95 v $37.46. Difference I see is, the $37 version has a chrome base.

Posted by: itsa914 Sep 23 2004, 08:01 AM

In the book Porsche 914 caught by camera on page 17 there is a B&W photo of a car with this. I will scan the pic for you.

Posted by: tod914 Sep 23 2004, 08:10 AM

Ok cool. I see in my rear trunk that there are extra unconnected wires by the driver's rear taillight lense. I guess that's for the fogs, aye?

Posted by: itsa914 Sep 23 2004, 08:25 AM

The picture


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Posted by: tod914 Sep 23 2004, 08:31 AM

The Euro's get all the cool stuff, extra h.p., no side markers, headlight washers, better looking badge on rear, and a rear fog. Did first aid kits also come with the 914s in europe? My corrado had an area in between the back seats for one. But, that was 1990.

Posted by: East coaster Sep 23 2004, 08:51 AM

Here's a pic of my old car with the "fog" light. It was a true euro car.


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Posted by: tod914 Sep 23 2004, 10:05 AM

Beautiful car there EC. How long ago was it sold and where did it end up? Do you recall how the fog light was mounted? I noticed it has side markers on the front fender. Was that added?

Posted by: aircooledboy Sep 23 2004, 10:38 AM

Well, looks like this bad boy could still get you hassled in Illinois unless you wired it as a brake light. I was sitting with my thumb up my ass waiting to get a case called in court this morning , and I read through the lighting section of the vehicle code. 625 ILCS 5/12-212 says you can't have any lights on your passenger car that are not expressly authorized by the code. In reading the whole lighting section, I don't see anything that could be read as authorizing a seperate brighter red tail light like this. But, if it was wired to come on with the brakes, that would be expressly authorized as a part of the requirement of " a stop lamp or lamps", and unlike the tail light requirements, it expressly "need not be incorporated with other rear lamps."

Nobody wants to give the police an excuse to stop them if they can help it. Use this info as you see fit.

Posted by: sgomes Sep 23 2004, 11:10 AM

Kalifornia must be different. We have tons of ricers around here with more lights than dance club.

Posted by: BMartin914 Oct 27 2004, 12:34 PM

Has anyone ever installed one of these lights on their non-euro car? How difficult was the procedure. Drilling involved? I would imagine so.

I've noticed an extra pigtail in the trunk coming off the wiring harness. Is this meant for the rear fog light. Is there open wiring behind the dash for another switch?

I don't think it would be a bad idea considering 70% of drivers around here can't even see me in their HUGE SUVs.

Any insight would be helpful.

Posted by: mike_the_man Oct 27 2004, 01:37 PM

My '94 S4 has a rear fog light. I've never used it before in fog, but I like to play with it at stop lights. I remember a 914 in Excellence a year or so ago that had one. I thought it was mounted on the back bumper. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Posted by: Pnambic Oct 27 2004, 02:55 PM

My father-in-law gave me a spot light last week that is 1,000,000 candlelight power. (That means REALLY bright!) The scary part is it has a cigarette lighter adapter. So next time that dic in the SUV with headlights above my trunk and the brights on rides up on my ass, we'll see how he likes being blinded...hahaha

Actually, it would be my luck that I'd temporarily blind him and he'd drive right over me... <_<
Maybe I won't keep that in the car.

Posted by: bob91403 Oct 27 2004, 04:16 PM

I'm sure you meant to say FORWARD motion. What do you think backup lights are? Lawyers. Oh, and it's mounted opposite the emblems. Definitly put it on a switch, and only use it in the fog.

Posted by: Scott Schroeder Oct 27 2004, 04:45 PM

They have been standard equipment on all Audis since at least 1990. Others have them as well - I want to say our old VR6 jetta had one too - cant remember....

I would guess if you were pulled over you could argue that it is an upgrade seen on many cars.

I recently replaced the cargo light bulbs in my chevy truck with red bulbs for this exact purpose. I ski a ton, and want the additional visibility.

I have never seen them attached like the orange car. The Hella verson was not as flush - it had a bracket and was the exact same lamp as used on the 911. I have seen many 911's with them.

Posted by: bob91403 Oct 27 2004, 05:33 PM

That's the difference. The bracket models are for 911. The 914 model was mounted as on the orange car. Euro only, I believe.

Posted by: nyum96 Oct 27 2004, 06:00 PM

I added mine to both my cars. I dont have a picture of the 914 but my beetle has a factory one. i love them and its another item I will have on all my cars. I noticed a difference in longer car lengths behind me in downpour rains.

With the 914, I dont drive it too often in this type of rainy weather but when I get "stuck" in it, I turn it on anyways because the car is so small and can be hard to see at times.

Rear fogs have to be legal since the dealerships in the US have them, right? That was what I was told on the VW board.

If police want to pull me over during hurricane season, they can have fun while I stay dry. I actually had the police over the other night for car vandilism and they didnt say a work about the light.

BB


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Posted by: Reiche Oct 28 2004, 12:39 PM

That's what I used! I installed a rear fog light on my friend's 914. I used a stock 911 rear fog light off a gray-market car. It installed perfectly in the same position that it had been on the 911: rear valence just outboard of the exhaust. (or was it inboard?)

I put a spare fog light switch in the extra dash hole, and wired it so it would only come on when the front fogs were on. The front fog switch uses a yellow insert and the rear uses a green one so there's no confusion. I even used good wires from a burnt wiring harness. Looks and works like factory.

I also installed one in the factory postion on my MB 240D. I definitely like the extra room people give you when they can see you better. Comes in handy here in the wet NW.