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Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 27 2012, 10:58 AM
So with all the engine conversions being done on 914's for cheap hp, how come we don't see more type 1 conversions? Still air cooled, so there's no radiator and no cutting up the body. I'm sure there must be some downfalls, but what are they?
You can buy a brand new 2332 engine kit capable of ~180-200 hp for $2400...
http://www.scatvw.com/master/engine_kits/
Posted by: biosurfer1 Mar 27 2012, 11:25 AM
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=85705&hl=type+1
Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 27 2012, 12:05 PM
Thanks Brett, it still looks like no one has chimed in yet having one in a 914. Rico Suave looks like he had to put alot of coolers on his to keep it cool, but sounds like he might have had a monster turbo motor?
Just seems like a good alternative to a subaru swap, sounds simple and just as expensive if not cheaper...
btw, I'm not trying to do one myself. Just as a owner of a 2110 type 1 in my sandrail (cost me $1300 for 165hp), seems like they would be a good fit for a 914 too... (for a 150-200hp option). Also btw I do have a 96 fin oil cooler on mine, but the whole kit cost less than $100.
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 01:43 PM
My buddy has a close to stock type one in a 911 running with no issues. He's originally from the Buffalo, NY and runs down to see relatives 2-3 times a year, 225miles (363kms) one way.
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Posted by: 1973-914-2L Mar 27 2012, 02:12 PM
my eyes burn ...... 
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 02:18 PM
my eyes burn ......
You're welcome.
Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 27 2012, 02:23 PM
Wow, stock bug motor in a 911, that is the exact opposite of a sleeper, whatever that is. Atleast its an improvement on the handling...lol.
Posted by: mrbubblehead Mar 27 2012, 02:25 PM
my eyes burn ......
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 27 2012, 02:29 PM
Where's the pic of the T1 backwards in a 914 making it a tail-dragger?
Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 27 2012, 02:57 PM
Hmm.. I have a spare type 1 case and an extra 901, I can check to see how they mate up...
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 03:12 PM
Hmm.. I have a spare type 1 case and an extra 901, I can check to see how they mate up...
I know it can be done
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 27 2012, 03:21 PM
If you like to stimulate the Chinese economy, I can't think of any better way to do it than building a Type 1 these days. Its cheap and you will get exactly what you pay for.
Posted by: 76-914 Mar 27 2012, 03:41 PM
I was wondering when Jake would chime in. He must be tired because you got off lightly. My first VW experience was via a Karamnn Ghia. I used to have to listen to Jake pop and then leave with his std departure. Too bad I'll never own a T1 again. It really used to get me. 6 years later I got into 914's and have 2. I've driven my Ghia <300 miles in 3 years. Would I put a T1 in a 914. Only if I could also have a Harley with a Honda 50cc power plant. 
Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 27 2012, 04:07 PM
I cut my teeth on T1 engines and until about 3 years ago we had built more T1 engines in the history of the company than TIV engines.
Too bad its all junk these days.
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 04:07 PM
My 2007cc in my bus (this is the 4th car it's been in) is 21years old and I beat on it every summer. They can be built right.
Only if I could also have a Harley with a Honda 50cc power plant.
At least it would be faster and bolts wouldn't fall off.
Posted by: oldschool Mar 27 2012, 04:09 PM
My buddy has a close to stock type one in a 911 running with no issues. He's originally from the Buffalo, NY and runs down to see relatives 2-3 times a year, 225miles (363kms) one way.
Mark what year 911?
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 04:18 PM
My buddy has a close to stock type one in a 911 running with no issues. He's originally from the Buffalo, NY and runs down to see relatives 2-3 times a year, 225miles (363kms) one way.
Mark what year 911?
IIRC a '71T, but I know for sure it has a 901 trans.
BTW I've put a 901 in my bug, but it's getting a type 4.
Posted by: dlee6204 Mar 27 2012, 05:05 PM
Posted by: SirAndy Mar 27 2012, 06:17 PM
Yes, that's the one!
Posted by: ripper911 Mar 27 2012, 06:25 PM
Posted by: kg6dxn Mar 27 2012, 06:44 PM
Where's the pic of the T1 backwards in a 914 making it a tail-dragger?
Posted by: ape914 Mar 27 2012, 06:53 PM
If you like to stimulate the Chinese economy, I can't think of any better way to do it than building a Type 1 these days. Its cheap and you will get exactly what you pay for.
I say bull, you can get some really fine type I motor parts that are not made in china. There is some high quality stuff being made for them. There has been much more developement of the type I in the aftermarket than many realize. Many good quality parts are made right here in America.
That said, there are plenty of trash parts made for the type I AND type IV that come from china and elsewhere. you got to research the quality of the parts, before you buy.
Posted by: scotty b Mar 27 2012, 07:04 PM
Wow, stock bug motor in a 911, that is the exact opposite of a sleeper, whatever that is.
A narcaleptic
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 27 2012, 07:42 PM
Wow, stock bug motor in a 911, that is the exact opposite of a sleeper, whatever that is.
A narcaleptic
I've driven this car and it's not that bad, obviously no power but it goes down the road at highway speeds and the hills (northern Ontario) don't seem to bother it.
The owner is a friend who's a bit eccentric and he built this car for his two teenage daughters who drove it in senior HS and one into college. My bet is they had the coolest car in HS, all the show just no go. I doubt if any of the kids knew it had a bug engine. The car itself is in VG condition but it's an SC clone targa.
What did you drive in HS?
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Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 27 2012, 08:23 PM
If you like to stimulate the Chinese economy, I can't think of any better way to do it than building a Type 1 these days. Its cheap and you will get exactly what you pay for.
I say bull, you can get some really fine type I motor parts that are not made in china. There is some high quality stuff being made for them. There has been much more developement of the type I in the aftermarket than many realize. Many good quality parts are made right here in America.
That said, there are plenty of trash parts made for the type I AND type IV that come from china and elsewhere. you got to research the quality of the parts, before you buy.
Yeah, spend 5K for a pair of heads and find chamber deficiencies, valve lengths varying over .100" and then have the vendor argue with you about how they did all of that crap "to add performance". The best part was Chinese Titanium valves.
The high quality parts are few and far between, look hard enough and even the high end parts have substandard traits.
And with the prices these guys were throwing around earlier, ALL those parts would be Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or from some other armpit of the earth.
Posted by: ape914 Mar 27 2012, 09:05 PM
If you like to stimulate the Chinese economy, I can't think of any better way to do it than building a Type 1 these days. Its cheap and you will get exactly what you pay for.
I say bull, you can get some really fine type I motor parts that are not made in china. There is some high quality stuff being made for them. There has been much more developement of the type I in the aftermarket than many realize. Many good quality parts are made right here in America.
That said, there are plenty of trash parts made for the type I AND type IV that come from china and elsewhere. you got to research the quality of the parts, before you buy.
Yeah, spend 5K for a pair of heads and find chamber deficiencies, valve lengths varying over .100" and then have the vendor argue with you about how they did all of that crap "to add performance". The best part was Chinese Titanium valves.
The high quality parts are few and far between, look hard enough and even the high end parts have substandard traits.
And with the prices these guys were throwing around earlier, ALL those parts would be Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or from some other armpit of the earth.
You can spend a lot less than 5 grand for a pair of good USA made heads,and that includes valves and machine work. Dont dismiss the type I like this, it aint true that you cant get quality parts, for a resonable price.
Granted there is plenty of chinese or even American type IV "junk" made and V-8 junk made, and etc..... That dont mean you cant still find quality. Your blanket statements on the type I' parts is not at all correct.
Be smart in your shoping and you can get quality. (type I or type IV) The truth is china can make some darn good stuff too, maybe not for our engines yet. The popular I-phone, is made in china to very high standards. If you make a living converting type I cars to type IV you may want folks to believe that you cant build a reasonable type I motor, but that is not the whole truth.
Posted by: Dr Evil Mar 27 2012, 09:36 PM
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Posted by: 1973-914-2L Mar 27 2012, 10:21 PM
there sure is a lot on both side of this ... I put a copy of that pic over st the bird and wow did I get blasted from both sides .....
Posted by: Prospectfarms Mar 27 2012, 10:47 PM
You'd almost have to put the T1 in back to clear the fan as the photo's show.
You could lay the fan down like a T3, but that would require some work. Then you'd need to flip the ringy thingy in the t-axle to make everything turn in the correct direction. Right? By then you may have spent the same same money as fixing up the T4 engine. Maybe that's why few have done it.
No one on PP site have 912T? I've seen a few of them with T1 retrofits.
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 08:12 AM
Then you'd need to flip the ringy thingy in the t-axle to make everything turn in the correct direction. Right?
Sorry wrong, all VW engines turn clockwise. Type 4 in a bus still turns the same way as in a 914.
You only flip the diff if you're turning the transmission around.
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 08:18 AM
there sure is a lot on both side of this ... I put a copy of that pic over st the bird and wow did I get blasted from both sides .....
I would have appreciated a heads up on that.
I wouldn't say you got blasted
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/668158-one-worst-mods-seen-yet.html
Posted by: Prospectfarms Mar 28 2012, 08:25 AM
Then you'd need to flip the ringy thingy in the t-axle to make everything turn in the correct direction. Right?
Sorry wrong, all VW engines turn clockwise. Type 4 in a bus still turns the same way as in a 914.
You only flip the diff if you're turning the transmission around.
Thanks, I know they all rotate in the same direction but 914 transmission is behind the motor. All AC VW's I know of have the tranny in front of motor. I guess what I should have said is "unless you want a taildragger, as in the photograph, you'd have to reverse...." Tell me if I'm wrong. Abstract spacial reasoning is not my strong-suit.
Posted by: Prospectfarms Mar 28 2012, 08:26 AM
I didn't notice blasting on this forum? I thought ist was a fun thread.
Posted by: Prospectfarms Mar 28 2012, 08:43 AM
...or will a 901 "bolt up" to a type 1? I seem to remember a small difference in the clutch/flywheel diameter. Not important/not my thread, just thinking "out loud."
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 09:32 AM
Then you'd need to flip the ringy thingy in the t-axle to make everything turn in the correct direction. Right?
Sorry wrong, all VW engines turn clockwise. Type 4 in a bus still turns the same way as in a 914.
You only flip the diff if you're turning the transmission around.
Thanks, I know they all rotate in the same direction but 914 transmission is behind the motor. All AC VW's I know of have the tranny in front of motor. I guess what I should have said is "unless you want a taildragger, as in the photograph, you'd have to reverse...." Tell me if I'm wrong. Abstract spacial reasoning is not my strong-suit.
Yes, if you turn the tranny around then you have to flip the diff. In a 914 if you turned the tranny around you would have quite the engineering job to hook up the linkage. My guess is they are using a 911-901 or a bug/bus tranny, no flip required.
To me that's quite the hack job, at least what is done to my bud's 911 and putting a T1 in a 914 with the correct orientation is reversable and doesn't hack the body at all.
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 09:35 AM
...or will a 901 "bolt up" to a type 1? I seem to remember a small difference in the clutch/flywheel diameter. Not important/not my thread, just thinking "out loud."
It bolts right up, but I do believe there's a release bearing mod. Type 1 flywheel is 200mm, 914 is 215mm and they have the same ring gear.
Not 100% on this, as I've never tried it myself, but I do remember my buddy saying it wasn't too difficult.
Posted by: balljoint Mar 28 2012, 09:43 AM
Posted by: ape914 Mar 28 2012, 09:59 AM
...or will a 901 "bolt up" to a type 1? I seem to remember a small difference in the clutch/flywheel diameter. Not important/not my thread, just thinking "out loud."
It bolts right up, but I do believe there's a release bearing mod. Type 1 flywheel is 200mm, 914 is 215mm and they have the same ring gear.
Not 100% on this, as I've never tried it myself, but I do remember my buddy saying it wasn't too difficult.
It is common for V-8 conversions to use a modified VW Bug type flywheel on the V-8 to mate to the 914 tranny
Posted by: ape914 Mar 28 2012, 10:10 AM
Then you'd need to flip the ringy thingy in the t-axle to make everything turn in the correct direction. Right?
Sorry wrong, all VW engines turn clockwise. Type 4 in a bus still turns the same way as in a 914.
You only flip the diff if you're turning the transmission around.
Thanks, I know they all rotate in the same direction but 914 transmission is behind the motor. All AC VW's I know of have the tranny in front of motor. I guess what I should have said is "unless you want a taildragger, as in the photograph, you'd have to reverse...." Tell me if I'm wrong. Abstract spacial reasoning is not my strong-suit.
Yes, if you turn the tranny around then you have to flip the diff. In a 914 if you turned the tranny around you would have quite the engineering job to hook up the linkage. My guess is they are using a 911-901 or a bug/bus tranny, no flip required.
To me that's quite the hack job, at least what is done to my bud's 911 and putting a T1 in a 914 with the correct orientation is reversable and doesn't hack the body at all.
just a note on the Bus tranny's, the early bus trannys had the ring gear flipped so it ran opposite direction than in a Bug, the reason is the early buses (split window type) has an extra gear reduction box at each rear wheel, which reversed the rotation.
to run the set up in the photo,a stock bug tranny and a stock bug motor will work in the 914 so long as the motor is in the back (like in the photo) If you set up the bug motor in the middle with tranny in the rear you use a early bus tranny to correct rotation or you flip the gear in a Bug tranny.
Posted by: Woody Mar 28 2012, 10:27 AM
Posted by: vsg914 Mar 28 2012, 10:27 AM
Lots of info on how, but why?
Posted by: ape914 Mar 28 2012, 10:35 AM
Lots of info on how, but why?
Cause they love what's theirs, becuase what is theirs is all theirs, and that gives them reason to go get more. That is why.
Posted by: vsg914 Mar 28 2012, 10:40 AM
Lots of info on how, but why?
Cause they love what's theirs, becuase what is theirs is all theirs, and that gives them reason to go get more. That is why.
Whats a theirs?
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 10:42 AM
Lots of info on how, but why?
Highschool or college student, no money, blown engine, good bug engine sitting in the corner of the garage, no hack to the car itself.....
I can think of a few reasons.
Posted by: ape914 Mar 28 2012, 10:53 AM
Lots of info on how, but why?
Cause they love what's theirs, becuase what is theirs is all theirs, and that gives them reason to go get more. That is why.
Whats a theirs?
it would be what mine is, if it was yours. But since it is theirs, it is not mine, it is theirs, do you mine? (errr... mind) ugh, never mind. now their, (err... there) oh my, my mine hurts now (err...mind hurts, not mine) over load over load, does not compute
Posted by: vsg914 Mar 28 2012, 11:12 AM
Well, thats easy for you to say!!!!!
Posted by: ape914 Mar 28 2012, 11:25 AM
Well, thats easy for you to say!!!!!
I know, I feel like I am in the middle of a mindfield (err...minefield), it ain't easy for me
Posted by: Prospectfarms Mar 28 2012, 02:50 PM
I salute the 911 mod. An updated 912. Fun.
The 914 is weirder. Mid-engine is one of the best things about the car, but like MH said, for a young person with more time than money, it might be cheap fun.
Thanks very much for those really entertaining photo's!
Posted by: Dr Evil Mar 28 2012, 02:58 PM
The 911 swap make perfect sense to me. The 914, that is just sad...
Posted by: vsg914 Mar 28 2012, 03:05 PM
I'm with ya doc. If you can't afford to keep the mid engine in a 914, sell it and buy a bug. Graduate from college, get a job, then buy a 914 and do it right.
Posted by: 1973-914-2L Mar 28 2012, 03:06 PM
there sure is a lot on both side of this ... I put a copy of that pic over st the bird and wow did I get blasted from both sides .....
I would have appreciated a heads up on that.
I wouldn't say you got blasted
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/668158-one-worst-mods-seen-yet.html
Ok not really blasted .. there are a lot of opinions on this ..
I do see the ingenuity behind it and also truly believe the notion that "its your car" but there are just things that are not natural .. Taking a sports car and placing a very small motor just seems wrong .. To me ..
I also don't understand putting a V8 in a pinto .. a buddy of mine did and I still don't know why .. his answer "I COULD" .. It just doesn't make any sense ..
Steve
Posted by: Rand Mar 28 2012, 03:25 PM
Taking a sports car and placing a very small motor just seems wrong .. To me ..
I agree and would never swap in a T1 engine. But a couple points in response to that statement...
1. The 911 cited above was given to a daughter to drive. I think it's pretty damn cool that he did this for his high schooler so she could drive the coolest car in school but without scaring dad because she's out there in a fast bigger-engined car.
2. The 914 guys aren't thinking of the T1 as a "very small motor." In fact they are thinking a hot T1 is cheap horsepower. Again, not my cup of tea, but I wouldn't call a 150-200+ hp T1 a "very small motor" compared to a TIV. In fact the OP cited a 2332, which I would call a big 4.
Posted by: 1973-914-2L Mar 28 2012, 03:35 PM
Just adding this pic that landed in the bird thread ..
Posted by: Rand Mar 28 2012, 03:40 PM
Ooh, LS, I love it. I know it's not air cooled or Porsche, but bang for buck it's more power. And doesn't weigh much different than a six. And has the latest FI for drivability in all conditions. And.... I want an LS1 914!!
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 28 2012, 03:46 PM
I would never do the 914 T1 rear engine install like in the pics that's just wrong and too much work. I would keep it mid engine because it could be reversed at a later date.
Would I do it if I was broke and needed a car badly? yes.
But TG I'm not.
Would I give that 911 to my kid? Fuching right I would and it has me thinking....
Posted by: Justinp71 Mar 29 2012, 10:10 AM
The main reason I started this post is too me it seemed like you could get a 150-200hp type 1 for alot less than a 150-200hp type 4. But with that said it sounds like the costs start to even out once you consider things you have to do for the conversion and the type 4 has that originality factor (not to mention its an improvement.)
But the tempting part is that there are lots of aftermarket parts available for type 1 motors. You can buy a pair of pretty nice performance heads from CB for $500. I have a pair of them and the build quality seems quite nice. I do agree there is a lot of junk too.
Also occasionally you can find used (decent shape) big type 1 motors on cl for ~$1500, I would be tempted if I had a 1.7/1.8 914 to install a big type 1 (mid engine style ONLY). and make a little racer out of it... just thought that maybe there are some cars like this out there.
Oh and also the type 1 motor weighs like 75lbs, so the car would be extremely light Ok that's an exaggerated guess but I can pick a complete one up and I'm no hulk hogan.
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Mar 29 2012, 02:12 PM
There's a crew that races a 912 with a hot T1 at PCA GGR AXs.
It's light and fast and low budget. Their 914 almost always takes TTOD, so they can build a fast AX car. The 912 is controversial, and sparked a few "protesters" since it's "heritage" is questionable under PCA rules. If that crew wanted to build a hot-rod T1 into a 914 they could, but in the 2-4 914s they have built/supported for PCA AX racin they all use other powerplants (TIV, 6, or V8).
I agree it would be awesome to see lower than ~$30 per HP from TIVs from builders. 
Posted by: mrholland2 Mar 29 2012, 05:32 PM
Posted by: Justinp71 Apr 12 2012, 11:15 AM
Ahh... what about a turbo type 1 motor??? Now we got some hp. cb perfomance sells all the parts, looks like you can do a carb turbo setup and use an o2 sensor for tuning, for a reasonable cost.
Posted by: Dr Evil Apr 12 2012, 12:11 PM
BLASPHEMER!
Posted by: Chris Hamilton Apr 12 2012, 06:25 PM
There's a crew that races a 912 with a hot T1 at PCA GGR AXs.
It's light and fast and low budget. Their 914 almost always takes TTOD, so they can build a fast AX car. The 912 is controversial, and sparked a few "protesters" since it's "heritage" is questionable under PCA rules. If that crew wanted to build a hot-rod T1 into a 914 they could, but in the 2-4 914s they have built/supported for PCA AX racin they all use other powerplants (TIV, 6, or V8).
I agree it would be awesome to see lower than ~$30 per HP from TIVs from builders.
To mount the type-I in the 914 you would need to build special mounts as the type-I case likes to 'hang' from the transmission rather than be supported at the end like the type-IV. You would then want to put an accessory mount under the end of the engine where the motor mount bar goes on the 914 to provide a little bit of additional support under hard acceleration.
Depending on some other factors you could probably get this header to fit between the motor and the firewall, or just have something custom made http://www.vwparts.net/A1SW.html
The type-I is just a better engine in almost every respect due to the huge aftermarket support. The type-IV engine would be great if you could get the same kind of heads for them as you can with a type-I. As it currently stands nobody makes anything even close to a pair of competition eliminator heads from CB Performance.
Pauter makes what they call "super pro" heads that look very promising for a type-IV, but I haven't seen any in person and they are very expensive ( comparatively speaking ).
Posted by: Ductech Apr 12 2012, 06:29 PM
I have no supposed air-cooled experience but I would think that for the type 4 you at least would get a more reliable 150-200 horse than a old type 1 based case taken to the out right limits at 150-200. Aren't type 1 cases magnesium aluminum based where as the type 4 was all aluminum and needed alighn boring much less often. This is all speculation as I have never built a type 4 but I've done a couple type 1's
Posted by: Chris Hamilton Apr 12 2012, 06:39 PM
I have no supposed air-cooled experience but I would think that for the type 4 you at least would get a more reliable 150-200 horse than a old type 1 based case taken to the out right limits at 150-200. Aren't type 1 cases magnesium aluminum based where as the type 4 was all aluminum and needed alighn boring much less often. This is all speculation as I have never built a type 4 but I've done a couple type 1's
There are a few options depending on what kind of racing you are doing. You can either buy a brand new vw magnesium type-I case, or you can buy a brand new aftermarket magnesium or aluminum type-I case.
Here is one example of an aftermarket aluminum case: http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1230
Posted by: jmill Apr 12 2012, 07:15 PM
I also don't understand putting a V8 in a pinto .. a buddy of mine did and I still don't know why .. his answer "I COULD" .. It just doesn't make any sense ..
Makes perfect sense to me.
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Posted by: rudy543us Jul 24 2012, 03:55 AM
So can a TYPE I be mounted to a 914 transmission so you can maintain the stock installation location?
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 24 2012, 07:57 AM
So can a TYPE I be mounted to a 914 transmission so you can maintain the stock installation location?
Yes, it can be done.
Posted by: rudy543us Jul 24 2012, 08:12 AM
Do tell Mark,
So will I need a special plate between the engine and tranny, is there a site with the materials, will stock mounting locations work?
Posted by: ape914 Jul 24 2012, 09:51 AM
So can a TYPE I be mounted to a 914 transmission so you can maintain the stock installation location?
yes the bolt pattern is the same, although clutch/throwout bearing may have to be modified I do know that many V8 conversions use a type I flywheel machined to fit the chevy crankshaft end. place that does V8 conversions should be able to help with clutch and throwout bearing selection, and that will save you some time.
of course jake raby states that you cant build a decent type I motor anymore, all the parts are chinese junk according to him. hahahaha I know otherwise. however it is one heck of a project to do a conversion. You will want to be sure to seal the engine bay so no hot air from under the car gets in.
Posted by: r_towle Jul 24 2012, 12:50 PM
I did just see a new aluminum type one case with bungs on the front to provide mounting ina bus......not sure if that would be the same setup as a type4 case...
Does anyone sell new 914 cases? or new type4 cases?
rich
Posted by: eitnurg Jul 24 2012, 11:18 PM
The complete opposite of the original question, but...........
The conversion the 914 (almost) cries out for (and the 912, thinking about it), is one of these. Anyone ever done it?
Posted by: r_towle Jul 25 2012, 05:04 AM
The complete opposite of the original question, but...........
The conversion the 914 (almost) cries out for (and the 912, thinking about it), is one of these. Anyone ever done it?
I suspect someone has thought about it but its not a worthy home for that motor.
at 70k-100k for the rare 4cam motor, and at that price it only delivers 110 HP....if you can keep it running and if you can afford the maintenance....
Rich
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