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Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:21 AM

The distributor on my teener is an 022, the main question is which wire goes to which cylinder? being the smart-ass headbang.gif i was i forgot to label before removing the old cap...here's a diagram ive drew out:


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Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:21 AM

the firing order i got from work (autozone) was 1 3 4 2 in a clockwise rotation...is this correct?

Posted by: Cloudbuster Oct 14 2004, 11:31 AM

The order is 1-4-3-2. It should be stamped into the right side (3 & 4) cooling tin above the fan housing, if you have stock tin.

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:32 AM

1 4 3 2 that's what i originally thought and saw in the haynes manual...

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:34 AM

current set up i got off my buddies teener....


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Posted by: Root_Werks Oct 14 2004, 11:38 AM

Just about all 4cyl's are 1-4-3-2, yep 914's are clockwise. Looks like your last diagrahm is correct. wink.gif

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:43 AM

she still doesnt fire up.... mad.gif

Posted by: Joe Ricard Oct 14 2004, 11:45 AM

Did you put the rotor in? I forget this all the time.

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 11:47 AM

yup i sure did install the rotor.... clap56.gif

Posted by: sanman Oct 14 2004, 11:56 AM

the dizzy shaft could be 180 off. pull the plug bring the # one up and see where the rotor points. my car was like this wink.gif

Posted by: Root_Werks Oct 14 2004, 12:08 PM

When you crank over the engine, does it: turn, turn, stop, turn turn, stop? That would be a signal you are 180 off. If so, try moving your plug wires all 2 spaces clockwise.

Does it even pop or fart at all? Wondering if you have spark?

You running points? <_<

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(sanman @ Oct 14 2004, 09:56 AM)
the dizzy shaft could be 180 off. pull the plug bring the # one up and see where the rotor points. my car was like this wink.gif

lame-men terms.... laugh.gif

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 14 2004, 12:34 PM

QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Oct 14 2004, 10:08 AM)
When you crank over the engine, does it: turn, turn, stop, turn turn, stop? That would be a signal you are 180 off. If so, try moving your plug wires all 2 spaces clockwise.

Does it even pop or fart at all? Wondering if you have spark?

You running points? dry.gif

i let the engine crank about 3 times and then i just stop... previous orders it's popped n farted....

Posted by: SLITS Oct 14 2004, 12:44 PM

Ok, It's easier to do this if you have an assistant

1.) Pull the #1 plug.

2.) Pull the screw cap off the blower housing so you can see timing marks.

3.) Stick your finger in the #1 spark plug hole and have someone bump the engine with the starter. When you feel pressure you are on the compression stroke. If you can catch it as it is building compression and before it goes past TDC, put a wrench on the alt nut and rotate the engine until the TDC mark is lined up with the blower housing timing reference.

4.) Pull the dizzy cap and see where the rotor is pointed - where ever it is pointed is #1 cylinder at TDC. Make sure one of the poles of the dizzy cap is located in the same spot and plug #1 wire in. In a clockwise rotation plug the other wires in in sequence (4,3,2).

Oh, disconnect the hot lead to the coil before you do this, otherwise you could get a shock. Make sure you reconnect it to start.

If it doesn't fire, check the point gap. Check that you have fuel to the injectors. Check that the plug is seated on the side of the dizzy (trigger points). Check that you have the green wire on the correct pole of the coil - negative)

Posted by: sanman Oct 14 2004, 12:47 PM

this mean your distributor shaft could be installed 180 degrees off from its originnal position. you would need to find top dead center for the #1 piston to determin this do you need help finding top dead center?

Posted by: sanman Oct 14 2004, 12:53 PM

it does not matter if he move the wires 2 spaces clock wise or counter clockwise the end up in the same place biggrin.gif

Posted by: Root_Werks Oct 14 2004, 02:12 PM

QUOTE(sanman @ Oct 14 2004, 10:53 AM)
it does not matter if he move the wires 2 spaces clock wise or counter clockwise the end up in the same place biggrin.gif

:finger2: Yeah yeah. Don't forget to turn around three times while hoping on one foot each time before you try to start it. That also helps. If all else fails, get out the universal 914 tool. smash.gif It pretty much solves the current problem. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Oct 14 2004, 02:14 PM

QUOTE(dlo914 @ Oct 14 2004, 09:21 AM)
the firing order i got from work (autozone) was 1 3 4 2 in a clockwise rotation...is this correct?

"Autozone" ? You get a genuine Bosch cap and rotor? Beru plug wires? You need to do that. Other brands just don't get with the program.
#1 is marked on the distributor body with a little "hash mark", right on the lip. The Cap'n

Posted by: Root_Werks Oct 14 2004, 02:28 PM

Yeah, sounds like you could be stuck in the "zone"? laugh.gif Don't trust local parts stores for advise on these cars or parts unless they are Bosch or other quality parts. Part of the problem might be right there? <_<

Posted by: SLITS Oct 14 2004, 02:46 PM

Today's FLAPs - if it ain't in the computer I can't tell ya and that assumes they can read in the first place.

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 15 2004, 03:29 PM

i got the cap, rotor, wires, n plugs from Source autoparts in Pasadena....autozone doesnt have jack :finger2: crap for our teeners except some wheel bearings...and non bosch items

Posted by: sanman Oct 15 2004, 03:36 PM

dlo914 is it running let us know something boldblue.gif

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 15 2004, 03:46 PM

current set up...symptons: starts ups normally, but it doesnt hold it's rpm and dies out...and it doesnt rev freely... sad.gif


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Posted by: dlo914 Oct 15 2004, 03:47 PM

clockwise or counter-clockwise?

Posted by: sanman Oct 15 2004, 03:55 PM

its prolly a timing problem now. if it ran fine at first try setting the timing or moving the plug wires over one more time looks like you moved them one space clockwise instead of two

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 15 2004, 10:51 PM

sigh...the only reason why im changing out these electrical parts is because one night i got bored and drove around, but i forgot to clamp down the battery. And long story short the battery did some tumbling and creamed one of the spark plug wires. drove home either with 3 cylinders firing...now i think it could be a vacuum problem... sad.gif

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 15 2004, 11:33 PM

me miss her already headbang.gif ...endless love obsession that started 2 months ago....sigh.... wub.gif

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 16 2004, 12:38 AM

fellow teeners with 1.8 FI could i get a few engine snapshots?

Posted by: dlo914 Oct 19 2004, 02:07 AM

damn rain havent had a chance to work on her...but i think only 3 of the 4 cylinders are firing...if some would just use the diagram ive made and just link up the cylinders with the proper spots on the dizzy...i'll gladly treat you to lunch! smilie_pokal.gif

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