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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 2 2012, 02:09 AM
I'm doing up the tooling to do these in quantity. It will be done end of this next week. I did a test fit part and it looks pretty good, I'll be fitting in my car tomorrow.
Construction is from a closed cell fire retardant rubber that has some sound proof rating. It will not absorb water or oil. An excellent replacement for the OEM wool pad that promotes rust by holding the water against the firewall.
More pictures tomorrow.
This picture shows the cut pad next to the OEM. The ones in production will have the same holes as the OEM for grounds.
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Posted by: billh1963 Jun 2 2012, 05:06 AM
Cool! I assume a group buy will be coming soon?
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 4 2012, 10:58 AM
You got it, I'll change the title of the thread. I spent most of the weekend putting my new aluminum trim on the doors, and messing with the liners so I didn't get to these yet. I'll install and get some pics. in a few days
Posted by: 914Bryan Jun 4 2012, 11:29 AM
I am interested!
Posted by: ape914 Jun 4 2012, 11:48 AM
of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.
Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.
Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.
Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.
the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
Posted by: Niklas Jun 4 2012, 12:23 PM
I want two sets.
Niklas
Posted by: gothspeed Jun 4 2012, 01:23 PM
Cool 
!!!! .......... I am interested ............ how thick is it and how much does it weigh? ..... and what is the attachment method?
Posted by: saigon71 Jun 5 2012, 06:26 AM
Count me in for one. Thanks Mark!
Posted by: scotty b Jun 5 2012, 07:55 AM
If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.
Thanks for another great product Mark 
of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.
Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.
Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.
Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.
the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
Posted by: scrz914 Jun 5 2012, 10:08 PM
What does this mean? Ground connections, where are those?
Will these have the holes for the plastic fasteners?
BTW, $75 vs $200 elsewhere. This is a really good deal.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 6 2012, 03:45 PM
What does this mean? Ground connections, where are those?
Will these have the holes for the plastic fasteners?
BTW, $75 vs $200 elsewhere. This is a really good deal.
Funny,
I got to look at it closer. I was referring to the holes in the pad in the corners. It's actually where the seat belt harware comes through.
I'm basically copying the OEM one you see in the picture and will be playing around with this more in the next day or so. The material is not very heavy as it's actually made for aircraft firewall application. I had thought velcro tabs would be a good way to do this. It could be glued, but will be difficult to work with. I'll post pictures shortly.
-Mark
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 12:51 AM
Cool
!!!! .......... I am interested ............ how thick is it and how much does it weigh? ..... and what is the attachment method?The material is about 3/8" thick, weight is less than 2lbs.
I spent about 2 hours this evening playing around with a technique to mount this.
I originally thought I'd glue it, but my engine is in and I really didn't want to play with glue with it in.
I got the bright idea of reinforcing the edges with speed tape and using velcro to attach it. I used about 3 ft total, and could have used more, but it did work well.
Here's the pad
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 12:55 AM
The engine compartment before. I have Dynomat allready installed, but this won't hurt.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 12:55 AM
The engine compartment before. I have Dynomat allready installed, but this won't hurt.
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 01:04 AM
Installed -
The sequence was pretty simplefit the mat in place and remove the back of the velcro. I started in the center at the bottom and worked my way to the sides. I then worked up the center and did the bottom lip of the slits. By doing so the top tucks over and will not encourage the capture of moisture, but will allow itto "vent".
Overall I'm happy with the installation even if I was in a hurry to do it. At least I got some quality time with my car today.
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 01:05 AM
A few more installed
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Posted by: billh1963 Jun 7 2012, 04:56 AM
I'm in for one
Posted by: plas76targa Jun 7 2012, 06:55 AM
i'd like one as well! count me in!
Posted by: ape914 Jun 7 2012, 10:23 PM
Scotty: Never did I mention anything about water absorption in the pad. The concern I point out is the problem of water and or water holding debries behind the pad. It is very difficult for it to dry out when water and debries are trapped between the pad and the firewall. Any non -breathing pad will have this problem unless they can be sealed on top to prevent water engress, and/or opened to drain / be cleaned at bottom. A closed cell rubber is not a breathable material unless you perferate it.
Take care to keep it dry behind the pad.
If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.
Thanks for another great product Mark
of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.
Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.
Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.
Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.
the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
Posted by: jimsfolly Jun 7 2012, 10:39 PM
I'm in for one also,
thanks Mark!
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 7 2012, 11:06 PM
I read this and do agree to some extent.
The main problem with the OEM pad is that it traps and holds water against the firewall. It has great sound absorption qualities, but is more potential problem than it's worth. That's why I did the dynomat. I was concerned about the water now potentially being trapped at the upper section and allowing rust to propigate.
True, there is a potential for the pad to trap water behind it...... if you glue it in.
That's why I used the velco to hold it in place. The foam is fairly soft so to make it more durable I used some speed tape. A very simular application to an aircraft installation. The velcro allows some space behind the pad to allow it to breathe.
I can provide 2' of 2" wide velcro (what I used) alond with enough tape to tape yours up like I did, for about $16 as an option.
In a perfect world this pad will keep out water. This would require a perfect seal all the way around the edges. I think this option if the best of both worlds.
The production on these will start late this next week
Scotty: Never did I mention anything about water absorption in the pad. The concern I point out is the problem of water and or water holding debries behind the pad. It is very difficult for it to dry out when water and debries are trapped between the pad and the firewall. Any non -breathing pad will have this problem unless they can be sealed on top to prevent water engress, and/or opened to drain / be cleaned at bottom. A closed cell rubber is not a breathable material unless you perferate it.
Take care to keep it dry behind the pad.
If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.
Thanks for another great product Mark
of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.
Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.
Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.
Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.
the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
Posted by: Daiberl Jun 7 2012, 11:25 PM
In for one
Posted by: veltror Jun 8 2012, 05:20 AM
Mark, one fir me, I will get you to ship a whole pile of stuff in one go later in the summer.
roman
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 8 2012, 01:01 PM
Got a thought - yeah with me that's dangerous.
After these have all shipped ill run a contest for best installed pictures.
I'd start a new thread for the contest with a poll, so the winner will be chosen by the group. That way I'll get some more pictures and someone will get thier purchase (including shipping) fully refunded - including those from overseas!
Posted by: Andyrew Jun 8 2012, 02:46 PM
Nice idea!
Posted by: nickp997 Jun 9 2012, 05:32 AM
Im in for one. Just let me know Mark. Thanks, Nickp997
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 13 2012, 02:00 AM
PMs sent I'll keep this GB open for another 10 days.
Thanks to all-
Mark
Posted by: leebenedi Jun 13 2012, 07:29 AM
Hello Mark, can you tell me what shipping to Spain will be? Thank you,
Lee
Posted by: RobW Jun 13 2012, 07:52 AM
Another awesome product. In about 20 years, instead of having my filings rattle, I'll get this done. 
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 14 2012, 01:43 PM
Hello Mark, can you tell me what shipping to Spain will be? Thank you,
Lee
I have had issues with international shipping on the USPS side. They often hold onto the item in customs and don't notify you. I typically send express or Fedex. The best bet would be to see if i could piggyback it onto another international order to one of the companies that re sell, you would still have customs fees on your item, but it would get the price down.
Express puts this at $36
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 23 2012, 04:05 PM
Here's one my son did on his "new" toy. It will be a daily driver. His will not be in the contest.
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 23 2012, 04:06 PM
one more
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Posted by: Philip W. Jun 28 2012, 02:06 PM
mark , are you still taking orders for these on the group buy?
just opened my engine compartment yesterday to find my factory pad falling off, and did not realize it was as bad as it was. so- i will order if you are still taking them-
phil
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 28 2012, 05:27 PM
Yes figured I'd run this till the 15th then open the thread for the contest.
Take lots of pictures who knows you may win.
I'll pm you.
Mark
Posted by: Harpo Jun 28 2012, 06:50 PM
I just sent in my paypal for my new engine pad
Thanks
DAvid
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 9 2012, 09:03 AM
4 left at this price.
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