I'm in the process of getting another run of these together. They prove to be much more expensive to to do one or two of at a time. Regular price is $895.
I need 10 partys that are serious about buying these to get this rolling. I have the tooling so the lead times will be about 3 weeks before product starts shipping.
Who's intersted?
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Kinda tempting... Does it include the latch hardware? Does it include/accept weatherstripping?
Interested, but in the uk...
These WAS tops are terrific. Better made than the original Saratoga tops in several ways. The most noticeable change is the ability to fit standard targa top side seals: the front latch mechanisms have been redesigned for ease of installation; plus, the shipping box can be used for storing the top - or storing your regular top.
I'll sign up for one!
I wish this would have come around October. It would be perfect for the Holiday season. I'm interested but the price is steep.
I'm kind of interested I have always wanted one of these. If it can be shipped for $830 I will most likely buy one. Timing is everything.
Thanks
David
Is it possible to use the stock latches? I am looking for a stock look on the inside.
Mark,
I wish I could say I was in on this one. However, all this talk about "tooling" brings up a question - would it be possible to come tour your shop if I ever make it out to the left coast? My sister is in Cali and I've always wanted to see how you do what you do. Thinking about a trip this Winter actually.
Just how much of my money do you insist on taking this quarter? This top, the fender well liners, and I haven't even begun to look at all the rubber bits I need... Damned Harbor Freight sale's already blown this month's budget out of whack. (Goes to yell at the kids playing on his lawn). But I'll kick myself if I let this get away...
Alright, dammit, I'm in for one complete with latches. Better add whatever seals need to be attached to the top too, for the -6 in my sig. Good thing the Audi repair bill was many hundreds less than I'd expected. (For now... gulp!)
I'm in for 1. Let me know the details (shipping address, payment, etc) when you are ready.
-John
Can you post some pix of how the latching hardware mounts? Is it the same as the stock top? I recall seeing something like eye bolts on some clear top, maybe a Saratoga?
I am interested, I've wanted a "Saratoga" top for over 30 years! Are you planning on having all smoked grey, or is there a chance some might be in bronze tint?
Count me in for 1.
So does this include seals and latches for 895 or is it 895+ seals and latches? Are the the latches stock, custom or either? Also, can I pick up from your shop since I am down the road in Portland?
I'd love one of these, but no way I can get in on this group buy. Maybe next year...
Here's some close ups ov the mounting areas on one of the roof's I've got sititng around. Unfortunately it's a little dusty here, but you get the idea. We will provide the roof drilled and tapped for the factory holes. You will need to provide latches, and rear mounting points, as well as the mounting hardare.
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Okay, so $720 is the GB (Group Buy) price and knock off 75 for no latches. Can you post a pic of your latch solution?
Here's the 1st generation for the the fronts. they worked, but needed slightly more clearance as rod rubbed on the lower targa seal.
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Goddamn i want one of these....
I was looking for a picture of the new hardware(2nd gen) installed, but here is what they look like.
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I have all of the acrylic now in my shop, Going to get the fiberglass portion rolling this next week. As soon as I start assemblling these I'll ask for the money.
I so want one of these! For me this would be the "icing on the top", (pun intended), of my project. Every piece I have purchased from Mark has been top notch and the accommodations he has made regarding shipping to my location have been above and beyond. I hope these will still be available when I am ready! Thanks Mark.
So that I can properly budget for this, do you anticipate these being ready in July or August?
Thanks
David
I'll take one.
Buck
I'd still like to know if these will be offered in bronze tint.
I have to back out.
I will take one
Wow, so tempting. Can this be reasonably shipped to Canada? If yes I am extremely interested.
I will take one Mikey, let me know when you need payment.
Larouex
Can one of these tops be made for the 914 limo?
Well, since you are doing the GB for smoked tint, no need to do extra work locating bronze tint that adds to the cost, for me at least.
Sign me up Mikey. No latches and local pick-up. Hillsboro, right? Let me know when it's ready.
I will take one without the latches.
Please put me on the buy list
Mike
Orlando, Florida
Still waiting to see what the $$$ differential is to get a bronze top!!!
These look very cool on any car with a non-black interior, but especially those with tan/brown interiors.
I don't make the 1st gens anymore. Like making a V2 rocket with all the little pieces. That and the clearance was an issue. The 2nd gen work fine, just nothing like stock.
Will we need to order through the site at that time, or...?
hi mark
per our conversation, i would like a top with all the hardware
mike
917-603-1902
Fiberglass portion is supposed to be ready this week as soon as I have them I'll ask for a $150 deposit as I will have the acrylic ready next week also. Just a matter of putting all the pieces together.
Let me know if I can still get in on this?
Thanks
Interested in your top with no hardware.
Thanks
Denny
Hey Mark, this is what I have going on. No chrome to speak of.
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I've got some overhang! But with that smoked look It might be okay... This is the top that I had handy..for my silver car.
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When I put my roof on I do not have the big seal that is on the underside. I could just cut this straight across the back?
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I see what you have going on. The roof is the same shape as roof you have. I think I may be able to modify, or make a custom rear seal that would be able to close the gap.
So Mark are you saying to not cut your top at all and fill the gap between my targa bar and your roof with a custom seal? If you could please post a picture of the aft end of your top.
I'll post a picture tomorrow, but Yes, I would HIGHLY DISCOURAGE cutting the back end off
If possible, I would like to get in on this too still. No hardware please.
I need to back out of the group buy. I really want one, but I just wrecked my Acura Daily driver and I need $500.00 for the deductible.
No problem to both.
Emails will be going out this week. I'm not taking any money until I have some fiberglass in hand to work on these.
Mark, please post a picture of the bottom/back side of your top. I don't think I will be cutting, but I just want to get a visual before I jump in. Thanks
PMs sent out for the roofs. I'll be posting a rear picture later, been a bit busy. The 1st 2 fiberglass blanks will be in my hands tomorrow, will ship late next week.
Yeah!
2-3 per week for production.
Update - 6 fiberglass substructures done. I'll be formoing the acrylic this week. I have the hardware being machined now and will be late next week on that.
So far these are the deposits reciecved. I will be contacting the fist group end of the week, and will be processing 3 per week as soon as I start forming these. Iunderstand that there are a few that still want in and are sending deposits. I'll update as I recieve.
JRust
2- Undisclosed
Connery
Nellums
Truong
Lanphere
Kyle
3-Undisclosed
Jones
Nagorski
Danque
Partida
Calkins (P)
As of 8/12/12
Brian in STS added
9/10/12
I will be depositing the deposits tomorrow.
Group buy will stay open until the run is complete, I anticipate 3-4 roofs per week starting next week.
Thanks to all,
Mark
Can you please post some photos?
David
Good morning Mark,
I was actually looking for more photos showing your progress of the tops or maybee what the finished product looks like.
Thanks
DAvid
Just for my peace of mind, there *will* be future runs of these, yes? Cause, ya know, do want and all, just no $$$.
Count me in! Anniversary present from wife.
I got the 1st 3 pieces of acrylic formed and we'll be bonding them this next week, so these will be starting to ship Tue or Wed.
Good news for Jim - I have been able to procure the right material in Bronze
I also found some Blue, green and red that I'm going to play with, I think they may look pretty cool.
The upcharge on the nonstandard colors is $85, mainly as the material is coming from the East coast, and I'm not getting any quantity of it.
I will post pictures soon.
-mark
Brian in STS added
9/5/12
Good afternoon Mike,
In the attached photo, by toe of my shoe is a piece of interior targa trim. Will the WAS top include this piece?
Can you still purchase this top? If so please count me in.
Thanks Jeff
Thinking about keeping the blue one for my car.
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The red is interesting, I thought it would be more obnixious, but with the right car it would look cool.
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Actualy got some green. Din't have time to form it, but you get the idea.
-Mark
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Hi Mark,
If the GB is still open put me down for one in the standard color. This is for the 71 so if the latches do not work with an early car no latches but i will need shipping to the east coast.
Thanks,
Karl
The red and blue tops look terrific !
I'm still excited to get my regular one. It getting close
For the question on modification for the shaved roll bar. We can shave it back but if we cut into the fillet where it bonds to the back, it will need to be reinforced.
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Is purple an option? My wife would freak out.
Bump! Hoping I haven't been forgotten. Money sitting in the account reserved for this is tempting ...
The pictures look great, Mark, and the alternate colors look wild. If I had a car done in Prussian Blue, or whatever the right pastel-ish 964 color is, a blue top would be on my list.
these are moving forward. I have had to reject a few that I had James put together are when they were in the sunlight they were not coated completey on the underside of the acrylic I'm actually forming up another 4 today. I will have him bonding them for me to help speed up the process, it's just taking a little learning curve on his part.
It also doesn't help that I screwed up one. Caught the edge with the buffer and threw it off the stand. Landing on the corner splitting it ...OUCH.
But if it were easy I guess everyone would make these!
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Good morning
Could you please give us an update on the WAS tops? By the way what does WAS stand for?
Thanks
David
I've got 2 that are at home, one is about ready to ship, the other will be ready this next week. I anticipate that I will have 2 more to finish towards the end of the week. I rejected several that James did as they were not bonded correctly or didn't have all the substructure blacked out (in sunlight you could see the fiberglass underneath). It looks like he finally has the process down (I had to farm these out as I don't have enough time to do it all mysely). However I will spend 4-6 hours sanding and buffing to get a good finish on these. We were able to make a few improvements on these in the process, nothing earth shattering, but we may also be adding the option for a chrome strip on the sides.
WAS stands for Whitesell Architectural Supply, couldn't think of another name that fit better. I haven't been asking for the balance on the deposits on these until I know they are pending shipment, but I will be talimg to a few of you this next week.
-mark
By the way I may be giving one of these away for registered 2013 WCR attendees. I'm working out the details.
How's this coming along Mark? I would like to he back in the European loop!!
I turned the assembly over to James with the idea that it would streamline the operation, we made a few changes to the assemble that inproved the product somewant, but I should have another 2 ready this next week.
-mark
just needed to follow up. I have 2 roofs that I'm trying to get finished up this week to ship. Unfortunately, bringing james in on the mix has had a bit of a learning curve. I'm having to spend a bunch of time reworking edges and some are destined to be seconds. I'm working with him to get a production of 2 per week. This my current "inventory". I'll be working more agressively to get this wrapped up. The good news is I will be giving away a factory second at WCR to one luckly attendee!
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I'm in for the seconds if they are discounted.
Waiting on mine...ship any time you are ready!
The problem that I had with these is that the fiberglass was not flush up against the acrylic on the inside on a few, I had needed to bond them and clean up which is really a pain. I have one that the glue was not coated completely on the inside so you can see the fiberglass throught the acrylic in spots, ine got an edge chipped off and I'm welding it back in and will sand and buff ( it may be just fine, just more work), I did have one that the acrylic was cut too short and I'm playing with the edges to make it work. I may have to add the aluminum to hide the edge, not the way I intended to make this work. and I have a red, blue, and bronze that I would not have put in the mix if I knew the production was having these issues.
But, if it were easy, everyone would do it thenselves.
Mark!
Any updates?
So...what's the status? We haven't heard anything in a while.
Paid my deposit last summer....sure would be nice to have a top one of these days.....
I want one too...didn't jump in last year but I am interested.
Hi there
I've just found this thread and notice there's another guy in the UK waiting for one of these. What's the current situation on availability/ UK shipping?
Thanks
David
I've got a few of these that are going out, I also now have a jig set up in house to bond these. I had farmed this out to James and as QC was not where I wanted it took it back. I have the Jig set up and can bond these, but I'm trying to do too many things at once with this back on my plate. I actually have one I should get out this week, but it will be slow going.
-Mark
Lastly, if anyone would like a refund I will do so. But if you are willing to stick with me on this you will get them.
-Mark
I may be changing address before mine ships out, so PM me before mine ships! I'm really looking forward to it!
Will do so. Right now I'm waiting for Fedex to show so I can leave and I'm polishing one of the potential roofs.
-mark
I got one packed and shipping, checking the list in the morning to see who's next
So....any updates?
Hanging in there, but an update would be appreciated if possible.
We are now 18 months into this...
I had a run of duds with James. This is timely as I am meeting with him tomorrow to get the fiberglass sections on these going. I will keep you posted, but it looks like these are going to be coming together in a few weeks, but I literally have 7 that are not useable.
-MNark
So did i miss out on these?
This is a project that had been put onto the back burner until I had the ability to get the consistency required for mass production. We are just about there. I anticipated doing these this up coming January as I will have the time to put into these. They are not dead, and those that signed up at this price will be able to purchase at this price, but we will be bumping the price up about $150 per unit as there is a more refined process we will be using that will allow for a much higher quality product. It requires some new equipment to be moved into some space (that I haven't found yet), and some serious power requirements. This limits the space I can use, and how I set it up. I am putting the pieces together to make this work.
-Mark
Has anyone used the stock roof hardware with one of these tops? Got a picture you can post?
Yes these are alive. We completed the tooling we needed to pull these in mass.
Ill be finishing one up this next week.i have several pulled, but with the holidays didn't get to assembly
Yes these are back in the cue. With the fog light grills and a few other large projects to get on track I had to sideline these for awhile. I will honor the GB price, the reg price will be $799 without hardware and $919 with.
With this being said I do have some seconds That I can sell roof only for $299. I just want them gone. They are taking up a bunch of space and are usable, but have flaws. I'll post more tomorrow.
I'm interested in the flaws and or group Buy if still available
I'm in either way as well
Will those of us who paid a few years ago still be in at the old price?
-Ross
Yes Ross I have a few special cases.
Nice! Looking forward to it! Just got in a set of your fog light grills, looking forward to getting those onto my car!
-Ross
Hi
I would also be interested in a flawed one (my car has plenty of flaws and a few
more wouldn't bother me). THANKS
Pulled these down off the shelf and have some buffing I will be doing tomorrow to clean them up a little.
I'm interested in one of the flawed ones too.
Thanks for your patience. I had the choice of buffing these all day or finishing up the alternator wiring harnesses, and getting a good chunk of the AP consul and boxes done.
I will have time tomorrow
I'm interested in a top. Maybe without latches as I have 2 spare stock tops.
Got some of the roofs up on the classifieds and will be following up with all tomorrow.
Mark
Got some progress on testing the mold. The guys were able to pull a part in clear. We tried some "cell cast" material that we found out was Chinese. It didn't form the same as the known material we had. Apparently, it's "somehow" different. When we do production we may have to do a special order to a US manufacturer to get these right
We also have to make some changes to the fiberglass to make it a more usable piece.
These we plan to have production going in March. I'd love to say earlier, but anything is possible. We have some stock of the old fiberglass but have a meeting with a potential vendor for helping us improve these and maybe do a few other fiberglass parts.
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I'm interested in one with out latches and late style if that makes a difference.
Thanks Al
ill take one with all hardware please!
Wow a clear one would be wild !
I just learned of this new top but I don't know anything about them.
Care to educate a newbie?
What are the benefits?
Maybe by March I can replace the money I had set aside for this after the thread started in 2012. Unemployment in 2014 ate that and a whole lot more, though...
Since materials are up in the air, I assume we'll have to wait on the color/tint options until after that's settled?
IF there is a waiting list, Id like to be put on it?
Thanks,
Steve
You are kind of on it. I'll be contacting all on thread as soon as I'm comfortable with production. As far as color. We think smoke will be standard, but will be able to do some color options. Cost for options will obviously be an added cost, we will figure that out once we know what you want. So if you want a green one let me know.
We can check that out.
Hi Mark!! How different will the new ones be compared to the old ones?
The new ones will be a similar build, but we are making improvements to make the fit / finish better as well as adding in some new features I'll elaborate more on once we've been able to test.
Still in for one, not sure if I had to say it again since its been a while
Yes we will go back and confirm with everyone. I know situations change,
Hi Mark,
I am wanting to know what is the projected date of sell on these tops.
Anxiously waiting
Al
I have a few formed up and ready to bond and cut. WE are also changing some items to mate these even more durable. I just haven't had the time to work on these lately, but will in the next few weeks.
mark
Bonded up the 1st one this last week. Working on trimming
"seven"
And I got a new job so I can actually pay for one again, hooray!
Could you deliver me a new top st the 2017 WCR in Mammoth ?
Count me in on ONE.
Thanks
Looking forward to these being made
We made some definate improvements to these will be finishing this next week.
Mark
I'm finishing up getting the steering rack program up today. I have one I will be building this next week for a customer if all goes well. We can then start looking at production.
Mark
you're the man !
Hi Mark.
Since origination of this topic (6/7/2012) I want to know what the current cost is on the WAS tops and is there a formal G/B list to purchase?
Thanks
Al
There will be, and I have to evaluate the production when I make this to use for costing. We did completely redo the tooling on these.
Mark.
How's this going Mark? I'd love one of these in the UK if you're game!
Actually clearing off my plate of a few projects these will be on the docket this year, Christmas possibly, the big issue is some fixtures I need to do
Xmas present to myself then hopefully!
As many of you know I have retooled the process for making these and now that the master cylinders have launched I can go back and get these moving forward again. Just working out a few minor details but the GB will be opened back up. I know a few of you have been patiently waiting. The pricing will be going up a little working out details now.
Mark
Keep me posted. I may take a green one for Grey Matter subie-conversion project.
Wohoo!
Any updates on when these will be available?
Intended to put some time in on these, but had a few issues. I'd like to give you an ETA, but not sure when I can get back to it to be honest. It's not forgotten, but I'll be working with Scott to see if he can help out.
mark
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