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Posted by: Pass45 Sep 6 2012, 02:47 PM

I have a ecotec in my baja and I haven't used it in a few years and I'm wondering if it would fit into a 914 :sa wzall:

Posted by: matthepcat Sep 6 2012, 02:55 PM

I that a good motor? My commuter beater has a 2.2L ecotec .....and it's sorta a dog....even in a manual.

Posted by: underthetire Sep 6 2012, 03:00 PM

Thats the swap i wanna do. Great motors and light. Lots of upgrade parts for them.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 6 2012, 03:19 PM

It moves my baja almost to good it should be around 150 at the tires its a stock 2.2 with a stand alone computer from turn key

Posted by: JmuRiz Sep 6 2012, 03:22 PM

I hear the new 2.5 ecotech is much better than the old 2.4, I'm sure no one has put one in a 914 yet though.

Posted by: underthetire Sep 6 2012, 03:33 PM

I almost pulled the trigger on a 2.0 supercharged out of a Cobalt SS a while back, just wasn't sure of what else I was going to need.

Posted by: bfrymire Sep 6 2012, 05:48 PM

Where do you go for more info on the ecotech? Speed parts?

I know very little about the motor? Like, where is the sump? Rear? Front?

-- brett

Posted by: wingnut86 Sep 6 2012, 06:30 PM

These guys do a 2.3 Ford in Vanagons.

Very slick & tons of options.

...and I think it fits in a 914(?)...

http://www.bostig.com/

Posted by: bulitt Sep 6 2012, 06:42 PM

John Lingenfelter was into Ecotecs before his untimely death. I think he was pushing 1000hp.
Summit racing sells performance parts for the engine to boost hp to 200.
Also, check these guys out- 898HP with 54 lbs of boost!
http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/default.aspx

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 6 2012, 06:49 PM

GM Performance Parts has a book that tells you what needs done for what. Horsepower you want up to 1400 hp with parts list and they have a rear wheel drive oil pan

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 6 2012, 07:07 PM

So how much can you move a 901 back I've been measuring my 914 and its gonna be tight I have a parts car so I thank I might try to shove it in it before I cut it up

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 6 2012, 07:18 PM

The VW and 914 bolt patterns are not the same. They are close and look the same but the VW adapter will not fit the 901 transmission without grinding and machining. You may be able to modify it to fit but You should order a new adapter and flywheel from Kennedy Engineering. The flywheel you have may be OK but you will need to call Kennedy to be sure.

I say go for it, especially if you have a stand alone ECU. Should be an easy swap with minimal engineering required.

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 6 2012, 07:20 PM

V8 cars move the tranny back 1.5 inches without problems. Any more than that and you should swap to 930 CV's like the off road Sand Rails use.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 6 2012, 07:26 PM

My baja has a bus trans in it I thought they would be the same

Posted by: underthetire Sep 6 2012, 09:02 PM

I have the newer 2.5 version in my escape. Even in that it runs pretty strong. I believe it's a Mazda motor, but not positive.

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 6 2012, 10:17 PM

Depends on if it is a T2 or T4 Bus tranny. The T2 is the same bolt pattern as a T1 Bug. What year tranny? does it have reduction Gears? or CV's?

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 7 2012, 04:08 AM

Its a 3rib its early seventies

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 7 2012, 03:15 PM

I called Kep today and my adapter work with a 901 but I need a new flywheel and clutch and that's almost the price of a ls1 adapter

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 7 2012, 08:00 PM

Most of the KEP flywheels accept a standard 914 clutch. Their 9" flywheel is special and requires a different one.

Their clutch packages are not cheap. I bought a SPEC Stage 3 clutch for mine directly from SPEC. But you can go to your FLAPS and price a standard clutch. Expect to pay up to $150 just for the throwout bearing. SPEC included one with my package $650.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 01:35 PM

if i move the trans back it might just fit to close to tell with out actually tryin looks like its time to bring the parts car home and start cutting

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 8 2012, 02:27 PM

I'm not sure how big the Ecotech is but if I can stuff a V8 in the engine bay, I think the Eco would fit. Got any pictures of the existing setup?

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 02:42 PM

The ecotec is taller than a v8


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Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 02:50 PM

The Valve cover Touches the firewall and trunk at the same time


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Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 05:30 PM

Yeah, but the intake is on the side instead of on top like a V8. Measure it from the pan to the top of the valve cover, I'll go measure my empty 914 engine bay with the V6 cradle as a baseline. I know a VW 1.8 16v will fit standing up at 90 degrees. Can't immagine it's that much taller.

Edit, nevermind, I finally caught up with the thread. Just move it back and down an inch

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 05:54 PM

25 inches from the bottom of the oil pan to type of valve cover 17 from the crank to the top if I can get it in low enuf to get the targa in I'm doing it

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 8 2012, 06:01 PM

The Chevy V8 requires cutting in the trunk to clear the distributor. I'm sure you could do some clearancing for the valve cover.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 06:01 PM

the radiator out of my bug looks like a perfect fit


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Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 06:23 PM

Ok, I went and measured. I'm seeing 18" from the crank, 25" from the pan and 19" deep on the Audi V8. That doesn't leave more than half an inch between the engine and lid, but quite a bit of room between the front of the engine and the firewall. I measured the bay, and that's about as tall as it gets. Fair warning, I'm working with an Audi tranny, your tranny mounts may end up almost anywhere. If you've got a welder, this shouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 06:24 PM

Oh, and I mocked it up with that monster, the targa still fits if you cover the holes I had to cut just right...

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 06:43 PM

This is my other hobby I have a mig and access to a tubing bender plasma cutter and tig the jeep has a ls in it and that was my plan for the 914 until I started looking at my poor neglected baja


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Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 07:11 PM

I just realised, with that little I4, you're gonna have a LOT of space to either side. Any ideas what you're gonna put there?

Posted by: 3d914 Sep 8 2012, 07:16 PM

pass,

If you can get a measurement from the centerline of the crank to the top of the valve cover we can determine how it will fit.

Here's an example from my CAD model for the 3.2 tall V6 SHO (Taurus). It just fits, height wise, under the engine lid. I'm sure the 4cyl can do the same.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 8 2012, 07:24 PM

They love turbos with low boost there around 250

Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 07:31 PM

Do they make an oil pan with a built in slant? The 16v I had fit so much better when I tilted it the stock 15 degrees it was in the golf. A little slant makes it fit so much easier and drops the center of gravity.

Posted by: paroxysm Sep 8 2012, 09:36 PM

would love to see pics of 16v in there, working to fit mine.

Posted by: rohar Sep 8 2012, 10:58 PM

I'll see if I can't find pics, I know I have some somewhere but it was years ago. Before camera phones. They're actual pictures. I'm showing my age

There's a few tricks to making it fit properly. First, slant the thing. I know, it's tempting to go with the 0 degree flywheel/bellhousing adapter from Kenedy, just don't. It won't fit. Second, there's a dizzy cap from a Saab that'll fit the dizzy but the ignition wire posts are at a 90 degree angle. This is key to clearing the sheet metal at the back of the engine bay. I wish I could remember the part number off the top of my head. Third, there's a coolant flange on that same end of the head that comes out straight stock. You need to fab a new one that comes out at a 90 to clear the sheet metal. After that, it's a walk in the park.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 11 2012, 04:47 PM

The clutch and flywheel fit the 901


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Posted by: Pass45 Sep 11 2012, 06:07 PM

It looks like I can leave the transmission in the stock location it needs to go back about 2 inches in this picture and I need to more or the trunk

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 11 2012, 06:16 PM

It looks like I can leave the transmission in the stock location it needs to go back about 2 inches in this picture and I need to more or the trunk




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Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 11 2012, 06:39 PM

Keep going! Looks good so far.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 11 2012, 07:35 PM

The Motor mounts are going to be fun t he one side wont be bad but I don't have a clue what to do about the other side the stock mount is on the front of the head

Posted by: Lennies914 Sep 11 2012, 07:46 PM

Look at the motor mount used in the marine application (wiki I think). I looks like a straight bar 914 mount .

http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=RxB7rIDxegPHTM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ecotecmarine.com.au/&docid=AFh9Df56z_tN1M&imgurl=http://www.ecotecmarine.com.au/Ecotec_Menu/Home%252520Page_data/engine_3.jpg&w=217&h=170&ei=7utPUObIGcn2iQKSi4DgDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=349&vpy=188&dur=1890&hovh=136&hovw=173&tx=83&ty=74&sig=103821921359048498451&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=136&tbnw=173&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:76

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 11 2012, 08:23 PM

That looks like it could work



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Posted by: Lennies914 Sep 11 2012, 09:05 PM

I considered this conversion myself.

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 12 2012, 07:37 PM

I'm definitely going to have to lower the transmission


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Posted by: bfrymire Sep 12 2012, 07:54 PM

Forgive me for slight hijack.

does anyone know what rwd trans will work with this motor? ( I have a rwd car that needs a motor...)

thanks.

--brett

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 12 2012, 08:22 PM

I'm not sure who makes it but they make a bell housing for a t5
that bolts to the ecotecs

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 12 2012, 08:32 PM

Kessler engineering


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Posted by: Pass45 Sep 15 2012, 04:44 PM

The top fits and I won't have to cut the trunk nowhere as mu h as I did in my parts car


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Posted by: Pass45 Sep 15 2012, 04:50 PM

Now I just need to make motor mounts


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Posted by: bfrymire Sep 15 2012, 04:59 PM

Thanks!

Posted by: kg6dxn Sep 15 2012, 05:15 PM

Well. it's been a week... Is it running yet?


Keep up the good work. I remember when I installed a Mustang 5.0 in my first 914. Car on a lift, Cherry picker holding the engine in and me on my knees welding.
Now I don't have a lift so I use jackstands and I'm laying on my back. My trusty Area 51 welding jacket on to stop the burning sensation... Damn, I need to get back to my engine/trranny swap...

Posted by: Pass45 Sep 15 2012, 05:33 PM

Ha I have no plans on making it run at least not in this car its going in this 1


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Posted by: Pass45 Aug 13 2013, 12:35 PM

finally getting started on this

Posted by: LotusJoe Aug 13 2013, 03:44 PM

I'm a Zetec guy. But I did find some information on the Ford Duratec engine that replaced the Zetec.

http://duratec.wikispaces.com/

I have actually been considering an engine swap myself except I would use the Zetec because of the lower cost of after market parts for tuning.
Here is a couple of pictures of the Zetec after all the Fuel injection stuff has been removed.

Posted by: Cupomeat Aug 13 2013, 04:16 PM

You can you use the trans from the Saturn Sky/Pontiac solstice, if that works for you. It is made for that motor.

It is the same trans as the Chevy Colorado trucks (same years as Sky/solstice) and is cheap and plentiful in the used market.

The trans is a coarse unit, but very stout.

This is a cool, unusual swap.

Good luck!

Posted by: Pass45 Aug 15 2013, 04:07 PM

How much can I lower the transaxle without running into problems

Posted by: Rand Aug 15 2013, 04:23 PM

I'm late to this thread, but how does anyone not know about ecotech today? If yours is a dog, or if you don't get it, then hello, there's this thing called Google. Those little bitches can scream to 1000hp.

Posted by: Pass45 Aug 16 2013, 12:53 PM

Its in but I need to move the transaxle 1.5 inches forward once my new engine mounts come in

Posted by: Pass45 Aug 16 2013, 01:17 PM

Posted by: justinevert Aug 17 2013, 07:44 AM

What about a Ford Eco-Boost? V6 twin turbo, 350 HP. Plenty around from 300K F150 around. Got to have some from a totaled one or two out there?