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Posted by: rhodyguy May 15 2003, 06:11 AM
the one closeup picture of the pass side is the only rust. its only surface in the seam. i'm taking the very nice org carpeting in and having it prof cleanned today.
kevin
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Posted by: Qarl May 15 2003, 06:57 AM
Start prying up the tar...
SURPRISE!
Posted by: rhodyguy May 15 2003, 07:04 AM
take up all the tar? are you crazy? i worried some off the edges near the the inner longs, and it was good metal. some issues will be lived with. if i do not draw the line somewhere and get this thing on the road, i will be geoff's punching bag and will not be able to show my face at anything porsche related.
kevin
Posted by: Bleyseng May 15 2003, 07:40 AM
Nah....but I would then make you a t shirt that says I suffer from DirkWrightsDisease!
Geoff
Posted by: Jeroen May 15 2003, 09:19 AM
Don't be a wuss and remove the tar!
cheers,
Jeroen
Posted by: mskala May 15 2003, 10:09 AM
SURPRISE!
What he said. The low spots, like in the channels, probably are
rusted. Also I don't know why there's so many spots on the
sides of the longs. I can't relate since my tar wasn't painted
except on the floor.
Mark S.
'70 914-6
Posted by: Qarl May 15 2003, 10:20 AM
Unfortunately I don't have any "before tar removal" pictures, but here is what I found afterwards on my "rust free" car.
My floors looked nice like yours. Surprise. Luckily it's just surface rust. Treated it with the POR system. Marine Clean, Metal Prep, and POR-15.
And yes, it took about 40 hours to do it!
Good luck!
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Posted by: Maine914 May 15 2003, 10:29 AM
What is the best stuff to remove the tar with?
Posted by: Lawrence914-6 May 15 2003, 10:34 AM
Heat gun, putty knife, patience.
Then a solvent to clean up the traces.
-Rusty
Posted by: Gint May 15 2003, 10:57 AM
I think everyone has already said what I would have said.
I'd remove the tar. Oh wait, I did.
Posted by: Jenny May 15 2003, 11:03 AM
That's what I'll be doing this weekend. Is putty knife best because it flexes?? I picked up a metal scraper that looks more like an ice scraper. It's got a blunt surface, as well as a hooked edge (like a bottle opener) for getting hard to reach places.
Forty hours?? Has anyone ever tried fire? 
Jen
Posted by: Brad Roberts May 15 2003, 11:10 AM
It takes 2 hours to pull the tar up with a heat gun in one hand and 3 inch wide puddy knife in the other. I can strip the center tunnel in 15 minutes. The key is heating the tar paper evenly and following behind your heat gun with the puddy knif while the paper is just the right temp. Too hot and its gooey... too cold and it breaks apart into small annoying pieces.
B
Posted by: Jenny May 15 2003, 11:14 AM
I guess by the end of this weekend I'll be well versed in the ways of the heatgun and putty knife, huh? Damn! I'd *just* gotten all the grime out from under my nails. LOL
Jen
Posted by: Qarl May 15 2003, 11:33 AM
I wire brush wheel works good on the seam sealer.
Posted by: Gint May 15 2003, 11:34 AM
Wear gloves
Posted by: SirAndy May 15 2003, 11:34 AM
wait until you get POR-15 under your nails!
it'll stay with you for a while, makes for nice leopard spots ...
Andy
Posted by: Jenny May 15 2003, 11:36 AM
not as bad as getting herculiner on your hootus. 
Jen
Posted by: Jeff Krieger May 15 2003, 12:04 PM
SURPRISE!
What he said. The low spots, like in the channels, probably are
rusted. Also I don't know why there's so many spots on the
sides of the longs. I can't relate since my tar wasn't painted
except on the floor.
Mark S.
'70 914-6
Oh, great ... another thing I have to worry about on my car. The bottom of my floorpan is pretty much rust free so can't I just assume that the interior (under the tar) is also rust free?
Posted by: Qarl May 15 2003, 12:10 PM
heh heh heh heh! (insert evil laugh)
Guess you'll never know unless you whip out the heat gun and the scraper!
We're not screwing with you. Everyone is right. Even the most rust-free cars tend to collect moisture underneath the tar in the channels.
Regards,
Karl
Posted by: SirAndy May 15 2003, 12:12 PM
this is how it looked before i took the tar out, no obvious rust visible, just orange paint, carpet glue and dust ...
and this is after i removed the tar, the rust is now clearly visible,
the patch in front of the drivers seat was actually just one big rust hole!
Posted by: Jeff Krieger May 15 2003, 12:26 PM
Guess you'll never know unless you whip out the heat gun and the scraper!
We're not screwing with you. Everyone is right. Even the most rust-free cars tend to collect moisture underneath the tar in the channels.
Regards,
Karl
I can't hear you (sticks fingers in his ears) la-la-la-la-la ...
Posted by: rhodyguy May 16 2003, 06:18 AM
i will think about this adventure NEXT winter. the rust, how ever much there is, can't get that much worse in the next 6 months. like i said i want this car on the road. ginter, with all the pre-rust cut items in your car removing the tar must have been easy. removing the metal pieces with the tar still attached. 
kevin
Posted by: Gint May 16 2003, 08:47 AM
Oh yeah, peice a cake!
Posted by: Lawrence914-6 May 16 2003, 09:16 AM
Cake.. rust.. what's the difference? ;-)
Posted by: stock93 May 16 2003, 07:10 PM
I started taking the tar off of my 914 today. I planned on doing it on the passanger side anyway because there were a few rust holes I found while poking around from underneath at my longs. This first picture if what it looked like up top before I scraped off the tar.
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Posted by: stock93 May 16 2003, 07:11 PM
This is the after pic. I simply used a chisel since I dont have a heatgun.
John
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Posted by: Lawrence914-6 May 16 2003, 07:14 PM
Hi John,
If I didn't say so already... welcome to the BBS!
Looks like a pretty clean job with just a chisel. Those holes should be pretty easy to repair. Have you peeked into the center tunnel?
-Rusty
Posted by: stock93 May 16 2003, 07:19 PM
Thanks for the welcome. I havent taken the tar off of the center tunnel yet but I plan to. I couldnt find any rust holes from the bottom in the tunnel. I just changed the shifter bushings and I didnt notice anything bad. So far the only suprise in this car has been the following picture. It was covered in bondo that someone did a very good job on. I didnt even notice it was bondo until I started sanding the body down to be painted.
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Posted by: Gint May 16 2003, 10:32 PM
Welcome to the board John.
Andy,
the patch in front of the drivers seat was actually just one big rust hole!
How'd you repair that rust in the front left pan? Whole pan? Just the area form another pan? New generic sheet in that area?
Posted by: stock93 May 17 2003, 10:13 AM
Does anyone know what guage sheetmetal the floorpans are? I'm going to have to do a little patching.
John
Posted by: Jeff Krieger May 17 2003, 08:18 PM
John
I'm not sure but I think it's around 18 gauge.
Posted by: Russ K May 17 2003, 11:39 PM
So do floor pans usually rust from the inside out? or is it a 50-50 kinda thing?
I've always figured my floors were pretty rust free seeing as they looked pretty good from under the car and there wasnt anything to speek of above the tar. But this thread has me thinking I should at least look a bit closer.
Posted by: SirAndy May 18 2003, 12:13 AM
yeah, i got a replacement pan from HPH ...
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