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Posted by: kkid Nov 25 2012, 01:52 PM
Hey guys,
I think my 2.0 w/d-jet is needing a help. It eats a lot of oil and smells bad from the exhaust pipe. And the gas mileage is bad, too(17miles/gal).
I might have to find a rebuilt or a good used motor when the original motor is out of the car.
Now, what should I visually check when I buy a motor?
Thanks in advance,
kkid 
Posted by: oldschool Nov 25 2012, 02:01 PM
Hey guys,
I think my 2.0 w/d-jet is needing a help. It eats a lot of oil and smells bad from the exhaust pipe. And the gas mileage is bad, too(17miles/gal).
I might have to find a rebuilt or a good used motor when the original motor is out of the car.
Now, what should I visually check when I buy a motor?
Thanks in advance,
kkid
How old are u Kid
Posted by: kkid Nov 25 2012, 02:05 PM
Hey guys,
I think my 2.0 w/d-jet is needing a help. It eats a lot of oil and smells bad from the exhaust pipe. And the gas mileage is bad, too(17miles/gal).
I might have to find a rebuilt or a good used motor when the original motor is out of the car.
Now, what should I visually check when I buy a motor?
Thanks in advance,
kkid
How old are u Kid
I am old enough to drive a car.
Posted by: stugray Nov 25 2012, 02:15 PM
Other than finding a running replacement motor that you can listen to (and smell), about the only test you can do on an un-running motor is a cylinder leakdown test.
About the only way to really know what shape a used engine is in is to tear it down and look.
Stu
Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 25 2012, 02:29 PM
Burning or leaking?
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Nov 25 2012, 04:58 PM
Hey guys,
I think my 2.0 w/d-jet is needing a help. It eats a lot of oil and smells bad from the exhaust pipe. And the gas mileage is bad, too(17miles/gal).
I might have to find a rebuilt or a good used motor when the original motor is out of the car.
Now, what should I visually check when I buy a motor?
Thanks in advance,
kkid
OK. How much oil is it using (quarts per tankful of fuel)? What color is the smoke (white or black)? There are few visual checks that help identify the condition of the engine. Leaks? Overall appearance? History? Compression and leakdown test results? (Both of 'em!) Seeing/hearing it run is a plus, driving the donor car before you buy the engine is even better.
Black smoke, especially accompanied by a 50% drop in fuel mileage indicates to me a bad MPS or excessively high fuel pressure. Likely the former.
The Cap'n
Posted by: kkid Nov 25 2012, 05:40 PM
Other than finding a running replacement motor that you can listen to (and smell), about the only test you can do on an un-running motor is a cylinder leakdown test.
About the only way to really know what shape a used engine is in is to tear it down and look.
Stu
Thanks, I found a rebuilt 2.0 motor for sale locally today and it is less than $3K. What should I expect from that price?
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Nov 25 2012, 05:44 PM
A 12,000 mile warranty.
Seriously, who built it?
Posted by: kkid Nov 25 2012, 05:45 PM
Burning or leaking?
I think it's burning and I don't see any sign of leak on the garage floor. But it's weird that I see oil on the #4 spark plug thread. What does it mean?
Posted by: Woody Nov 25 2012, 05:55 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it. 
Posted by: Hammy Nov 25 2012, 06:03 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. 
Posted by: kkid Nov 25 2012, 06:03 PM
Hey guys,
I think my 2.0 w/d-jet is needing a help. It eats a lot of oil and smells bad from the exhaust pipe. And the gas mileage is bad, too(17miles/gal).
I might have to find a rebuilt or a good used motor when the original motor is out of the car.
Now, what should I visually check when I buy a motor?
Thanks in advance,
kkid
OK. How much oil is it using (quarts per tankful of fuel)? What color is the smoke (white or black)? There are few visual checks that help identify the condition of the engine. Leaks? Overall appearance? History? Compression and leakdown test results? (Both of 'em!) Seeing/hearing it run is a plus, driving the donor car before you buy the engine is even better.
Black smoke, especially accompanied by a 50% drop in fuel mileage indicates to me a bad MPS or excessively high fuel pressure. Likely the former.
The Cap'n
It uses about 1/3 quarts oil per tankful of gas and the exhaust gas has no color as it smells bad. It doesn't smell so bad when the motor is just started. I don't have leak test result but had tested compression and it showed decent result about an year ago.
Just tested the MPS and has no leak so far(no change from 20psi in 5 min). The fuel pressure is 29-30PSI according to the cheapo inline gauge. The motor was rebuilt about 35K miles ago.
Will post the motor run on youtube later.
Thanks
Posted by: matthepcat Nov 25 2012, 07:36 PM
Hella NorCal. Hella hells yea.
Posted by: SirAndy Nov 25 2012, 08:20 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. It's funny because when i saw the title of the post i thought to myself "He's probably from Oakland" ...
Posted by: jsconst Nov 25 2012, 08:44 PM
Since he is in Oakland, I would suggest taking the car to McMark at original customs in Sonoma, he might be able to fix yours or help you find a reliable used motor or build you a new one.
Jeff
Posted by: Hammy Nov 25 2012, 08:51 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. It's funny because when i saw the title of the post i thought to myself "He's probably from Oakland" ...
Do ya say it too Ahndy? I'm definitely guilty.. valley child. 
Take it to McMark.
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Nov 25 2012, 09:01 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. "California term"? I've lived here nearly all my life and I've never heard it used except on internet forums.
The Cap'n
Posted by: Hammy Nov 25 2012, 09:08 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. "California term"? I've lived here nearly all my life and I've never heard it used except on internet forums.
The Cap'n
Cap'n - I respect the hell out of you but this is a kind of a "new age" term
My folks sure don't say it. Maybe more a Nor-Cal term
Posted by: bandjoey Nov 25 2012, 11:54 PM
Lots of places oil will leak and burn off on the heat exchangers. Looks like a smoker going down the road. Might not be as bad as u think but u need expert advice.
Posted by: mrholland2 Nov 26 2012, 12:58 AM
Sorry, but none of yous guys are in the REAL NorCal. I'm hella further north than y'all are.
BTW, the kid that wanted to make "hella" officially mean 10 to the 27th power is from HERE (well, 25 miles from my house).
So. . yous guys (or y'all) from down south there in Oakland or SF wanna see where Nor Cal REALLY is, crank up the 914 and visit me in Weed.
Posted by: Ductech Nov 26 2012, 01:19 AM
Man kids up here use the hell out of the term hella... For what it's worth, course I'm kinda young.
Posted by: kkid Nov 27 2012, 07:56 PM
Hi guys!
So I jacked up my car and took some pix. I see some oil here and there on the bottom of the motor. The worst is #2 cylinder which has an oil caramelized exhaust stud that is I think dripping some oil onto the heater branch piece. Overall, I see oil leak from all cylinders on the mating seam with the case. The oil cooler looks dry but I see slight oil in the front of the case.
#2 exhaust stud and nut w/hella caramelized oil
oily push rod tube
here is an oil. too.
other stud is clean but oil is visible on the copper exhaust gasket
other bank looks clean at a glance but...
#3 has a leak as #2
So what do you guys think?
Thanks,
kkid
Posted by: Woody Nov 27 2012, 08:06 PM
That's normal and its not going to be loosing that much oil from those leaks. Do a leakdown test.
Posted by: kkid Nov 28 2012, 02:58 PM
That's normal and its not going to be loosing that much oil from those leaks. Do a leakdown test.
Thanks woody. That's what I thought.
But today I got a new finding.
One(for #4 cylinder) intake manifold hose is totally oil soaked and seeping. Other 3 are bone dry.
What does this suggest?
Thanks,
kkid
Posted by: McMark Nov 28 2012, 05:18 PM
Could be blow-by (compression getting past worn rings, which carries oil with it). This would cause pressure in the case, which comes oil the oil fill tower and goes through a hose to the intake. You could pull off the hose from the oil fill tower and clamp it shut, then run a new hose from the oil fill tower to an empty gatorade bottle with some holes in it. This will catch the oil vapor and allow you to see how much is being blown out (assuming you secure it so it doesn't fall over while driving).
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Nov 28 2012, 05:47 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. "California term"? I've lived here nearly all my life and I've never heard it used except on internet forums.
The Cap'n
Cap'n - I respect the hell out of you but this is a kind of a "new age" term
My folks sure don't say it. Maybe more a Nor-Cal term Seems to be a term used by clueless folks who wear their baseball caps backwards. Not all that many of them around here. The goat ropers keep 'em away.
The Cap'n
Posted by: Hammy Nov 28 2012, 08:33 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. "California term"? I've lived here nearly all my life and I've never heard it used except on internet forums.
The Cap'n
Cap'n - I respect the hell out of you but this is a kind of a "new age" term
My folks sure don't say it. Maybe more a Nor-Cal term Seems to be a term used by clueless folks who wear their baseball caps backwards. Not all that many of them around here. The goat ropers keep 'em away.
The Cap'n
I never wear my baseball hat backwards.
That's hella dumb.
Posted by: 9146986 Nov 28 2012, 10:19 PM
If you averaged 25 mpg (which you state you don't) then you'd average about 400 miles to 1/3 a quart of oil, which is well below the factory limit of 1 qt of oil consumption for 500 miles.
If you are only getting 17 mpg, I'm going to guess you have an over rich fuel issue that can cause premature engine failure. So check you fuel system.
Posted by: kkid Nov 29 2012, 01:28 AM
Could be blow-by (compression getting past worn rings, which carries oil with it). This would cause pressure in the case, which comes oil the oil fill tower and goes through a hose to the intake. You could pull off the hose from the oil fill tower and clamp it shut, then run a new hose from the oil fill tower to an empty gatorade bottle with some holes in it. This will catch the oil vapor and allow you to see how much is being blown out (assuming you secure it so it doesn't fall over while driving).
Thanks Mark! This is interesting. I'll give it a shot when the weather permits.
Are the holes in the bottle to condense the vapor?
Posted by: kkid Nov 29 2012, 01:53 AM
If you averaged 25 mpg (which you state you don't) then you'd average about 400 miles to 1/3 a quart of oil, which is well below the factory limit of 1 qt of oil consumption for 500 miles.
If you are only getting 17 mpg, I'm going to guess you have an over rich fuel issue that can cause premature engine failure. So check you fuel system.
Yeah, but this spark plug didn't tell me it's a rich running. What do you think?
On the other hand, I don't really trust my fuel pressure gauge because I toyed the back screw once before.
This is a good chance to get a new fuel pressure gauge anyway.
Thanks,
kkid
Posted by: 9146986 Nov 29 2012, 07:28 AM
It's hard to tell from the pic, and unless you do a proper "plug cut" it doesn't mean much anyway. You'd get better results at determining your air/fuel mixture with a tail pipe sniffer, and better yet a good wide band a/f meter.
Posted by: McMark Nov 29 2012, 11:44 AM
The holes (at the top of the bottle) are to let the actual air pressure out. The idea is that the oil will fall out of the air and collect in the bottom of the bottle, while still allowing air flow in and out.
Posted by: SirAndy Nov 29 2012, 02:54 PM
The holes (at the top of the bottle) are to let the actual air pressure out.
Without a way for the pressure to equalize, you will blow the case seals of your engine. Big mess.
Here's a pic of my "puke bottle". The top of the bottle has several holes that are facing the air filter so any vapors get sucked back into the intake and burned.
Posted by: dlestep Nov 29 2012, 10:01 PM
What's hella oil? Should probably stick with conventional oil and maybe it wouldn't burn it.
"Hella" is a California term for "hell of" basically meaning a lot of... no not Hella like the lenses
A lot of my friends have moved out of state and get kicked frequently for letting that term slip. "California term"? I've lived here nearly all my life and I've never heard it used except on internet forums.
The Cap'n
Cap'n - I respect the hell out of you but this is a kind of a "new age" term
My folks sure don't say it. Maybe more a Nor-Cal term Seems to be a term used by clueless folks who wear their baseball caps backwards. Not all that many of them around here. The goat ropers keep 'em away.
The Cap'n
Cap, I believe that it falls in the same bucket with "What I did?" and "Where it is?"
You and I may break out with " bitchin' " once and awhile, but that is about it.
Posted by: krazykonrad Nov 29 2012, 10:42 PM
Weed, CA. That is awesome!
Konrad
Posted by: mrholland2 Nov 30 2012, 09:58 AM
Yah yah. . I called somewhere to order something once and they hung up on me when I said the town's name. Or they ask how close it is to "Bong" etc etc etc.
And here is THE sign that kept getting stolen and has been vastly changed:
Weed, CA. That is awesome!
Konrad
Posted by: kkid Dec 5 2012, 04:49 PM
The holes (at the top of the bottle) are to let the actual air pressure out.
Without a way for the pressure to equalize, you will blow the case seals of your engine. Big mess.
Here's a pic of my "puke bottle". The top of the bottle has several holes that are facing the air filter so any vapors get sucked back into the intake and burned.
Thanks Andy for posting the pics.
So I hooked up the puke receiver(Trader Joe's Half Gallon Milk Bottle) and drove about 20 miles. But all I see in the bottle is a few drops of water.
I will drive until the gas tank becomes near empty to see how much oil lost on the oil level gauge.
It's also funny that only #4 intake runner hose is oil wet.
to be continued....
kkid
Posted by: type47 Dec 6 2012, 08:05 AM
... to see how much oil lost on the oil level gauge.
to be continued....
kkid
do you mean dipstick?
Posted by: kkid Dec 6 2012, 11:03 AM
... to see how much oil lost on the oil level gauge.
to be continued....
kkid
do you mean dipstick?
yeah, the stick I mean...
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