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Posted by: wndsnd Jan 8 2013, 08:24 PM

Seems reasonable for $1500.00

Www.drdracingheads.com

Supposedly no case modifications.

Posted by: ConeDodger Jan 8 2013, 09:18 PM

Didjoo blow up again???

Posted by: Dave_Darling Jan 8 2013, 09:21 PM

Seems totally UNreasonable to me. $1500 for a whole engine stroker kit? You can't build a stock motor for that little!!

I'm throwing the BS flag on this...

--DD

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 8 2013, 09:32 PM

I don't have a stinkng engine!

Posted by: nsr-jamie Jan 8 2013, 09:34 PM

I didn't check the link you provided but that sounds too cheap...though it could be very poorly made Chinese made parts...they are flooding the market here in Japan with cheaply made Honda motorcycle parts (less than 70 percent cheaper than OEM in some cases)...the price is super low and so is the quality.

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 8 2013, 09:36 PM

You would think I would be the jaded one

Posted by: gtsdls Jan 8 2013, 09:55 PM

Did anyone actually look at the DRD web page and the details provided? Kit is crank, P&C's, rods. It is not a "full" kit. Appear to be Chinese QC'd parts based on description/disclosures.

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 8 2013, 10:09 PM

Bearings too....I was more interested to see if it really does fit a std case without mods.

Posted by: aircooledtechguy Jan 8 2013, 10:14 PM

Well, the engine kit you're refering to is only comprised of a cranc, rodsand a P&C set, so that's hardley what I would consider a "kit". You would still need head$, cam, gear and lifters, pushrods and rocker assemblies, etc. Once you pay for that kit, count on another $3500 to finish off the parts needed and you'll be pretty close to having everything.

Going big is not cheap!!

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 8 2013, 10:21 PM

Right but wouldn't that be the same for a 2056 and this is 2316!

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 9 2013, 11:05 AM

has anyone in the santa anna area familiar with this outfit? as it's an "industry leader", strange i've/we've never heard of it before. add heads, ign, carbs/a.m. fi, linkage, case, disposables, etc, you'll be @5k when the dust settles. that's parts.

Posted by: JamesM Jan 9 2013, 11:47 AM

From what I recall DRD heads are big with the type 1 guys. One of the best. I believe jake used to get some heads from him as well but turnaround was to slow. I have been watching that site for a couple years now thinking about a rebuild. Looks like he has added quite a bit to it recently. Also looks like he is pushing the 914 angle more, maybe because jake has backed away from us a bit.

The components looks like pretty standard stuff. Cant do much better then KB or JE pistons and he offers either. Have not heard much about people using AA cranks.

$1200 - $1700 for NEW CNC ported heads, 2500 - 2800 for 2L seems to be a similar offering to what else is out there but at a much better price. Slow turnaround might be worth it for someone who is not in the business for producing engines.

Posted by: DBCooper Jan 9 2013, 11:49 AM

Excellent reputation in the T1 community, except for the slow turnarounds.

Posted by: Racer Chris Jan 9 2013, 12:27 PM

I think you're referring to wndsrfr.

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 9 2013, 12:41 PM

Interesting.

Too bad their website is nearly unreadable.

Posted by: Valy Jan 9 2013, 02:41 PM

The kit is missing the cylinder spacers. You will probably need about 1/2" of spacing, depending on the piston height.
Otherwise, the price seems OK. You can check the individual parts prices for the same parts here:
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/kokoparts/m.html
This guy also sells on thesamba without the ebay commissions.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?submit=yes&keywords=type+4&type=text&stype=all&username=kekonaiii&yearfrom=&yearto=&pricefrom=&priceto=&model%5B%5D=&section%5B%5D=&wanted=show&zip=&zipdist=0&state%5B%5D=&usaregion=&country=&sort=date&sort_order=DESC&submitButton=Search

Posted by: tscrihfield Jan 9 2013, 04:46 PM

I can speak to this..Darren @ DRD did my 2 liter heads. They are great quality, but we're slow. He is a one man band and that is why he is slow. But if you got time to wait, while its on Jackstands and want quality work... Go for it. He does great work. As far as engines go. FAT is a great place to look. Plus those guys are great to work with and do superior work. I think they have more wins with aircooled engines than any aftermarket engine builder. They do good work for good prices.

Thomas

Posted by: brant Jan 9 2013, 04:59 PM

I hear a ton of concerning things about the FAT motors
I have seen more than a few of them ventilated (blown)
good to hear some are having better experiences..
I am afraid of them.

Posted by: wndsrfr Jan 9 2013, 07:35 PM

My 2316 is on its third crank in the two years that I've had it. The first one was provided in Jake's kit--it was a DPR QC'd by Jake and I spotted hairline cracks on it during a teardown to bump up the Compression Ratio. I sourced the second one directly from DPR after talking to Jose--turned out to be a mistake since it cracked big time last fall. So much for using the welded up VW cranks at least to the 80mm stroke for the 2316. The oil galleys simply end up too close to the journal interface with the web of the throws.
Soo....I talked to DRD and FAT about the new forgings they supply. As I understand it, FAT developed the Taiwanese supplier like 20 years ago and is getting very good quality from them. I think DRD is supplying the exact same piece from the common warehouse that FAT has. I'm going to bet that EMW also is sourcing the same part as well....they all show it as $550 to $625 in price. I went with Greg at FAT as he also doweled the crank to the flywheel (5 dowels!)
I've gone to JE pistons after exploding a KB into shrapnel...so far, so good.
Not sure what cylinders DRD is supplying--I got a set of Chinese ones from EMW for $50 a pop, but didn't like how they looked so went with boring out a set of "seasoned" 1.8 cylinders & feel more comfortable with them.
Now, if you're building a 2316, you need it to breathe really, really well. This takes Len Hoffman's heads or the equivalent, the right cam and Chris's Tangerine headers or equivalent. And add SDS injection & good sized throttle bodies & you're ready to go! It adds up.....but, when you roll into it, the push in your back and the sound will put a grin on your face that you can't wipe off with a fistful of $100 bills!

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 9 2013, 09:26 PM

Sounds like a nice set-up. but you change cranks like I change undies!

Posted by: wndsrfr Jan 10 2013, 08:14 AM

EGADS! Only once a year?? Yikes! I need to stay upwind of you...

Posted by: McMark Jan 10 2013, 09:11 AM

bout KB vs JE pistons. Don't build a big four with KB (IMHO).

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 10 2013, 12:50 PM

Well, maybe twice a year

Posted by: MrHyde Jan 10 2013, 05:12 PM

Well... I guess we shall see how well my 2316 with a nitrided welded crank and KB pistons work when I get it put together..

Posted by: wndsrfr Jan 10 2013, 06:39 PM

It'll work great....I'm the culprit on blowing the piston....bought the car and two weeks later took it to a 3 day DE event at VIR and ran it mercilessly without first doing the proper A/F ratio mapping on the SDS injection system. Result was detonation from running lean.....
If you're primarily doing street driving you won't have any problems....be sure to install a good wideband A/F guage & be sure you're properly rich....12.5 to 13.0 at WOT.