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Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 28 2013, 08:05 PM

I sent to Pellican for CV bolt lock washers. I think I could have found these at the local hardware store. Are the others not available anymore. Should I trust these?


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Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 28 2013, 08:13 PM

Actually, I found schnorr washers at my local Ace hardware store. I would not use those washers they sent but that's just me.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 28 2013, 08:15 PM

There is an Ace hardware in town. I'll check there tomorrow. Thanks.

Posted by: Racer Chris Jan 28 2013, 08:21 PM

Bad on Pelican.
I buy Schnorr washers a hundred at a time.

Posted by: bigkensteele Jan 28 2013, 08:25 PM

Mr. Shea has them as well.

Posted by: dlestep Jan 28 2013, 08:30 PM

serrated, black oxide spring washer (Schnorr)

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 28 2013, 08:34 PM

That's what I thought I was getting. Looks like I'll be sending them back.

Posted by: LotusJoe Jan 29 2013, 04:48 PM

I would use the proper washer.

Posted by: toadman Jan 29 2013, 04:53 PM

I got mine from Brad Mayeur at 914 LTD.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 29 2013, 06:33 PM

If no luck locally, McMaster Carr is your friend.

Posted by: McMark Jan 29 2013, 07:07 PM

PM me your address. I'll send some out tomorrow.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 30 2013, 09:23 AM

elliot, i have a washer bag that came from mcmaster (iirc) for the washers.

100 pack
#93501A030
hardened steel serrated BELLEVILLE washers
5/16" screw sz, .331"id, .512"od, .0280" min thk.

k

Posted by: A&PGirl Jan 30 2013, 10:14 AM

Belleville and Schnorr are actually (2) different washers.

The Schnorr Safety Washer S (registered) is the correct washer to use. They come black, yellow, clear zinc and stainless steel. M8 is 1000/box.

I've contacted Schnorr before and gotten a quote from them.

I am willing buy the washers from Schnorr as business in your choice to get the best pricing.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 30 2013, 10:18 AM

whats the dif between the belleville and the schnorr carrie? metric vs sae? they seem to fit the same and have the 'cupping'.

Posted by: Phoenix-MN Jan 30 2013, 10:28 AM

From the Schnorr handbook

The benefi ts
of SCHNORR® Disc Springs
also known as Belleville Springs result in
design engineers continually increasing
preference for them:
1. Load/defl ection curve of straight,
progressive or regressive character,
according to the design requirements.
2. Alteration of spring performance as
desired by the addition or removal of
single discs.
3. Space saving.
4. Largely self-damping, particularly
with parallel stacking, giving good
shock absorption and energy dissipation.
5. No deformation or fatigue under
normal loads.
6. Long service life.
7. The large range of possible applications
for individual spring sizes simplifi
es stock-keeping.

Posted by: jeffdon Jan 30 2013, 10:36 AM

Same thing happened to me. Been debating using them. I also safety wire mine, so I would think its ok.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 30 2013, 11:08 AM

so...pelican lists them as superseded to 999 523 102 OB OEM @ a buck a pop or 100 of them for $.1025 each from mcmaster. interesting...pelican lists 8 required per car. that should read per 8 axle or 16 per car. get on that dave.

k

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 30 2013, 05:05 PM

I safety wire mine as well but I will NOT be using these washers. I've got some on the way. Thanks Mark.

Posted by: McMark Jan 30 2013, 05:21 PM

McMaster washers come in a bag labelled SCHNORR in big letters. I'm content.

Posted by: porsche913b_sp Jan 30 2013, 05:38 PM

Since we are talking about these little washers. Is there a correct way they should face or it doesn't matter. Know what I mean ?? :-)

Posted by: euro911 Jan 30 2013, 05:43 PM

I bought a big bag from Eric ...

Did you get yellow ones? ... they install faster

Posted by: 396 Jan 30 2013, 05:59 PM

Sad as the bird site would send you these as oem type

Posted by: McMark Jan 30 2013, 06:48 PM

Absolutely! The ID should be towards the bolt head. I guess a picture is better...


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Posted by: porsche913b_sp Jan 30 2013, 07:26 PM

Thank you sir !

Posted by: kg6dxn Jan 30 2013, 10:01 PM

What ever happened to the group buy for drilled CV bolts?

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 31 2013, 12:29 AM

I drilled mine myself. A few minutes with a drill press. Countersink the holes to get rid of sharp edges. Check the picture in my first post. Not hard to do.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 31 2013, 12:31 AM

The washers I have always used have a serrated surface on BOTH sides of the washer arranged at an angle. This one looks a little different.

Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 31 2013, 02:15 AM

I did a GB, sent out a few for those that wanted them. still have them.
-Mark

Posted by: McMark Jan 31 2013, 10:14 AM

The washers are serrated on both sides. It just doesn't look like it in the pic.

Posted by: 02loftsmoor Jan 31 2013, 10:20 AM

Boy I'm glad someone spoke out, those kinds of washers will flatten out and you will loose your torque, wired or not.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 31 2013, 12:41 PM

Thanks Mark. I'm easily confused.

Posted by: d7n7master Jan 31 2013, 01:01 PM

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I just safety wire the bolts.

Posted by: John Jentz Jan 31 2013, 02:54 PM

Pointy part toward the bolt head.

Posted by: kg6dxn Jan 31 2013, 06:21 PM

PM sent

Posted by: hotlanta914 Jan 31 2013, 06:36 PM

how about these


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Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 31 2013, 08:10 PM

Wow! I wonder where we can get those?

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 Jan 31 2013, 08:14 PM

Schnorr washers are stock and good enough, Safety wire is redundant but cheap insurance.

Posted by: Elliot Cannon Jan 31 2013, 08:17 PM

Might be a good thing on a race car. Looks like a special socket and clip ring pliers required.

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 Jan 31 2013, 08:21 PM

Ah, good idea for quick release on the triple square. Maybe a machined slot in the head of the fastener to slide the clip on.