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Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 09:49 PM

I have a momo mount & just bout a Dino wheel. The Dino wheel has a slightly larger bolt patern that the Momo hub. Do they still make a Dino hub for a 73 914?

Also looks like the Dino wheel may work better w/ 5mm mach. screws vs. the 4mm the Momo takes. Has anybody re-drilled a Momo hub to fit a Dino wheel?

When I mount the hub in the car there is a 1" gap between the Momo hug & the horn mechanism. I assume this gap is for the horn wiper contact. Am I missing a cover or do I have the wrong hub. The hub bolts on w/ no problem.

I bouht the hub & wheel from different sellers on e-bay.


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Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 09:50 PM

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Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 09:51 PM

Is that a silver-spoked Momo Prototipo wheel on the right?

There's some guy looking for one on the PP 911 forum.

Regards,

Karl

Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 09:51 PM

gap-osis


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Posted by: Curvie Roadlover May 16 2003, 09:52 PM

Damn, so close, yet so far away. Maybe if you mounted the wheel with screws and drove them in on an angle........

Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 09:54 PM

Karl, Yes it is a silver spoke Prototipo on the right. It is the small diam. model 320 0r 330mm. The leather is not in good condition. I have been looking for a 350mm Prototipo when I found the Dino dirt cheap.

Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 09:54 PM

Umm... that gap for the steering column doesn't look right.

Is that hub adapter in all the way? And that hub doesn't look like the Momo hub I have. It seems longer.

Do you want me to take a picture of my setup?

Regards,

Karl

Posted by: Curvie Roadlover May 16 2003, 09:55 PM

I have a MOMO hub and wheel, and I can tell you my hub is not as long as the one in your pic. Also no gap to the steering column. Are you sure that's the right hub?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 16 2003, 09:55 PM

i dont think the gap is supposed to be there at all <_<

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 16 2003, 09:56 PM

here is a solution:
send me a $20....
ill send you a personal wheel adapter
and you can redrilll it

sound like a plan?

Posted by: Curvie Roadlover May 16 2003, 09:57 PM

Also, on mine the diameter of the hub matches the diameter of the steering column. I notice in your pic the hub is quite a bit bigger than the steering column.

Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 10:03 PM

There are three holes on the back of the adapter to attach the horn wiper. So, I think the gap has to be there. I must be missing some kind of cone shaped cover.

The spilne is right and the wheel draws down to the shoulder on the shaft.

Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 10:06 PM

Even with some "cone adapter" it still doesn't look right. It also looks like it sets the wheel too far away from the column. I think it's because the adapter is longer than normal and because of the gap.

The Momo hub I have, has the horn adapter recessed into the back of the hub, so there isn't a gap.

Just trying to help.

Regards,

karl

Posted by: Curvie Roadlover May 16 2003, 10:07 PM

Yup, mine too.

Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 10:19 PM

Here's my Momo hub and Prototip wheel.


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Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 10:21 PM

Oooooohhh... shiny wheel.... (drool)

I love this steering wheel. I can't wait to drive with it in the final finished conversion project with it. I think I will install it last as the crowning touch.

Regards,

Karl


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Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 10:22 PM

I don't have anything for reference other than the stock wheel. I was always running into the dash, turn signals & wipers w/ my hands. I now have 4" of clearance from the dash & 2 1/2" from the wiper & signal stalks. It feels better but I obviously can't drive it w/ 2-4mm screws holding the wheel on.

Anyone have pictures of their set-up?


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Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 10:24 PM

Look two replies above. We were probably typing at the same time!

Karl

Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 10:29 PM

Thanks Karl,

Nice wheel!!

The hub I have looks longer & bigger in diameter. My hub is 3 1/2" long, 4 1/2" if the "cone" was there.

Posted by: MarkV May 16 2003, 10:49 PM

Mine has a rubber boot w/ like a built-in crumple zone.


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Posted by: Qarl May 16 2003, 10:53 PM

Please refrain from posting pictures of your backside on this group.

We've already seen enough of other poster's backsides!

Regards,

Karl

Posted by: Curvie Roadlover May 17 2003, 07:32 AM

My hub is the same as Kellzey's. It is too close to the dash though and I was banging the wiper/turn signal arms during "spirited" driving. I bought a steering wheel spacer from a place in FLA called FVD-USA for 20 bucks that moved the wheel out about .75" not much but enough to fix the banging into the wiper/blinker arms. It is also offset a bit so my wheel is now a bit higher when the wheels are pointing straight - -and a bit lower when I turn the wheel 180 degrees

Posted by: MarkV May 17 2003, 09:50 AM

Aaron,

What is the bolt patern of your hub? I need 6 on 74mm center w/ 5mm screws.

Thanks

Posted by: Jeroen May 17 2003, 10:04 AM

Go to the http://www.tcracing.org website
The hubs they sell are the same bolt patern as the Dino
Good news, the hubs are cheap too ($30 IIRC)

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Andyrew May 17 2003, 10:41 AM

Mine has a ruber boot, I had a problem like that, let me take a pic....

Posted by: Andyrew May 17 2003, 10:48 AM

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Posted by: Andyrew May 17 2003, 10:49 AM

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Posted by: Andyrew May 17 2003, 10:51 AM

$80 wheel with hub at swap meet! I love good deals.

Ps, ignore the foot, I just got up.


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Posted by: Jeroen May 17 2003, 11:03 AM

BTW, the hub you have is prolly for a later style 911 (up to '89)
Oh, and that Personal hub that Aaron has will fit your Dino wheel as well

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: Andyrew May 17 2003, 11:09 AM

Jeroen, If your talking to me, Yes the hub is for a 911, but it fit my car (yay) asside from the, oh how do you say it, offset? So I just put the hub from the stock wheel in as a spacer, it wiggles around, but the wheel and hub attached to the wheel is firmly mounted, so no worries for me.

Posted by: Jeroen May 17 2003, 11:49 AM

Hey Andrew,

I was actually talking about the pics of Mark V's hub

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: abm914 May 17 2003, 04:13 PM

Guys

Hi there, I'm having the same problem finding a steering hub for my '71 914. I've tried the 'early' momo hub (same as Mark's) but it leaves a large gap. A fellow '14ner let me try his later Momo hub (like Karl's) but it wouldn't go on the steering shaft (and a didn't want to force it on too hard as the guy who lent it was sitting next to me!). His '14 is a '73 so it should fit on Mark's car without a gap.

Does any one have a pre72 car with a momo wheel on it?
Also, PP sell an adaptor/extender, does anyone have one of these?

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/9144/por_9144_racing_main.htm


Adam

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 17 2003, 04:20 PM

i was just screwin around....you can seriously have it if you want it. i have absolutely no use for it! interested....i tried giving it away on a game like thread but no go

Posted by: jim_hoyland May 17 2003, 09:20 PM

I had the same thing with the Momo. I took the bottom off the original Porsche Steering wheel. I t has the turn signal return on it; then I carefully, repeat carefully, drilled holes on the bak of the adapter, and tapped them for the screws.

Turned out to be a perfect solution and my turn signal return works too.

Posted by: MarkV May 29 2003, 08:44 PM

My wheel hub arrived from TC Racing today. This one has the right bolt pattern, but it has the same 1" gap behind the hub like the momo adapter that I have. As you can see from the photo, the gap is too small to mount the back from the factory wheel in the space allowed.

I tried to get information from TC Racing before I ordered. They have a machine that answers the phone & they don't return e-mail.

Does anyone have a solution?


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Posted by: MarkV May 29 2003, 08:45 PM

abcd


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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 29 2003, 08:48 PM

well, you can still have mine....like i told you in the email...it must have been dropped , has a small "dent". PM, if you want it.....
of course, a lot less than 20 bucks!

Posted by: MarkV May 29 2003, 08:56 PM

Does it look like this?


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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 29 2003, 09:02 PM

NOPE! it is EXACTLY (yes EXACTLY, i busted out the dial calipers)

height: 3.72 "
Diameter: 3.53 "
Wall thickness: .08"

has 6 bolts for the wheel itself. the rear side of it is quite recessed. my dad should bring the didgital camera home tommorow. ill snap a few then ok?

Posted by: seanery May 29 2003, 09:03 PM

I've got that same hub on my car and it works great! No gap.

Posted by: seanery May 29 2003, 09:08 PM

I think Brad is running these on Lyressa's car.

Posted by: seanery May 29 2003, 09:21 PM

It's on my 74. It's 2000 miles away or I'd take a pic for you.

Posted by: MarkV May 29 2003, 09:39 PM

As you can see the factory wheel spline is deep in a recess. The aftermarket hub has the spline on the end.

Are you guys getting tired of my problem? You know I have more photos.


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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 29 2003, 09:42 PM

if that is the case, then i think mine will solve your prob! mine goes about an inch past yours (toward the steerring collumn)

Posted by: Malmz May 29 2003, 11:16 PM

Ha! I have two of the same problems as Mark. I bought the same adaptor from TC Racing and it fits the same (gap), and they never returned any of my e-mails after the purchase and the note on their invoice that said "let us know if you need anything...".

FWIW, mine is a 74 and should have the stock column on it.

I also bought the quick release from them which is a very nice piece and works great, but still have the gap and no customer service...

I haven't gone back into the car recently to try to work something out, it's still on my "to do" list...

sm

Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 05:51 AM

Hmmm... this is weird.
Carolina from TC Racing was very helpfull when I ordered my quickrelease.
We swapped several e-mails before I ordered and she always responded within a day
I didn't order the hub though (already had a Raid hub).

I'll measure the backside of my Raid hub when I get home 2nite...

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2003, 10:55 AM

anyone wants to trade a early momo hub for a late momo hub ???

i have a early one, upgraded my car to a late style steering column and now the old hub doesn't fit anymore.
it's about an inch too long!
Mark, could that be the solution to your problem? maybe you have a "early" column!

Andy

Posted by: seanery May 30 2003, 10:58 AM

that sounds/looks like the problem.

Posted by: MarkV May 30 2003, 11:09 AM

Read Malmz response above. I think I just bought a paper weight. :finger2:

My car is a 73 and I am almost positive it has the factory column. Early columns are 70-71 only.

Andy, do you have a photo of your column minus the wheel?

Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2003, 11:20 AM

they're all too blurry ... haha

maybe brad could shoot some pics of the column and the old hub today.
he sais it's a '75 column.

Hey Mueller, didn't i get that column from you? what year is it?

the early adapter fits, but it's about 1" too long, can't get the nut back on,
the tip of the column barely sticks out through the hub ...

Andy

Posted by: MarkV May 30 2003, 11:33 AM

Andy, I have a Momo hub that bolts up to late column. It has a gap like the Dino hub. You can have it if you need a hub until you can find something else.


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Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2003, 11:37 AM

yes!
that would be very cool. i really like to keep my old momo, i like them much better than the new ones ...

Andy

Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 12:09 PM

Here's some pics of my Raid (Dino) hub

cheers,

Jeroen


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Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 12:10 PM

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Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 12:10 PM

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Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 12:10 PM

Car is a '72 BTW

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2003, 12:17 PM

hey, Jeroen, where's your Car in that pic? all i can see is the Garage-Floor!


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Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 12:18 PM

The missing pieces are piled up in a corner of the garage

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: MarkV May 30 2003, 12:33 PM

Well there is the problem. The hub from TC Racing has the spline in a completely different place.


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Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2003, 12:44 PM

hmmm, even if you remove the horn ring from the original?
it seems like without that, the position should be pretty close ...

Andy

Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 01:06 PM

Ok, maybe this is a stoopid suggestion, but did you try to mount the splined bottom of the hub upside down
(remove the 4 screws, turn the bottom part around, so the splined part goes into the hub)

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: MarkV May 30 2003, 01:37 PM

Those aren't scews they are casting holes. It can't be disassembled.

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 30 2003, 06:37 PM

okay, here be some pics....

here is the top (front- the side facing the wheel)


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Posted by: Jeroen May 30 2003, 06:39 PM

I would swear I'm seeing 4 allen screws in your pic...

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: seanery May 30 2003, 06:41 PM

Jeroen,

I see them too.

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 30 2003, 06:41 PM

here is the side....w/ a gauge caliper for reference


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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 30 2003, 06:46 PM

here is the bottom view...the red arrows poit to the "indent" and the blue point to some sort of button thing
green arrow points to PN


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Posted by: Aaron Cox May 30 2003, 06:48 PM

markv, this is what you will be recieving

Posted by: MarkV May 30 2003, 06:49 PM

Jeroen,

You are correct. I was at work when I saw your post. Had a hard tome getting it apart, assembled w/ some kind of thread lock. If I flip it over the shaft doesn't come through the center far enough to get the washer & nut on. Doesn't change the "gap" very much either.

I looked at the photo of your column & mine looks the same.

Thanks

Posted by: SirAndy May 31 2003, 09:16 AM

your hub looks like an early one.
that "button thing" is the contact for the horn, which is a springloaded graphite pin that rubs on the metal ring that goes on the streering column.
that is a early (pre '72) setup ...

later models have the horn-ring on the hub and a flat metal contact on the steering column.

Andy

Posted by: MarkV Jun 10 2003, 12:17 AM

Arron sent me a hub that I got to work.

It fit over the existing column but made contact w/ the turn signal & wiper switches so I had to cut it down 3/8".

It was drilled for 5mm screws so I had to tap it to 6mm.

Had to extend the horn ring 1/2" to make it work. The scews for the horn ring are 3.5mm and are hard to find.

I used the boot from the other hub, doesn't look so big that way.


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Posted by: MarkV Jun 10 2003, 12:27 AM

Jereon & Malmz, I did get a response back from TC Racing. The hubs they sell are "for racing purposes only" w/ no provisions for horn or signal cancel.


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Posted by: Malmz Jun 10 2003, 07:06 AM

Horn or cancellation wasn't really my issue, just the big-ass gap is. It seems like they don't know that their hubs don't fit all years of 914s (that there are different offsets) unless I'm missing something.

I need to take a pict of mine, but it looks like one of the other ones posted.

Congratulations on actually getting a response though! Wish they gave me that courtesy.....

sm

Posted by: MarkV Jun 10 2003, 10:50 AM

This is what TC Racing had to say about the big ass gap:

Hi Mark, I spoke to our shop foreman regarding the problem you found. Marco is the one that had replied to your original inquiry letting you know that this hub would not allow a setup with no gap. He does not know of a way to fill the gap.
Also, it is dificult to install a horn with some of our hubs and this one is one of them.
Please keep in mind this IS a racing setup, not intended for street use.

Carolina

Note: forwarded message attached.



Carolina Capote
4467 Chickasaw Rd
Memphis TN 38117 USA
Tel: 901-921-9921
Fax: 901-821-0116

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jun 10 2003, 11:32 AM

I just went to the Momo website (www.momo.it).

Talk about a site that's an overdesigned, bandwidth-hogging, difficult to navigate POS.

Someone sure made their money designing THAT site. :finger2:

-Rusty

P.S. I have a big-ass gap on my hub adapter, too. But at least I have a horn and signals.

Posted by: MarkV Jun 10 2003, 11:51 AM

Rusty, I think Andy may have a hub that will fix your problem. He converted from an early column to a late column & has an early Momo adapter than won't work on his car. I sent him a late Momo adapter that has a big ass gap.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 10 2003, 05:33 PM

like i said.....glad to see ya got it to work. always good to see someone getting use out of something i cant


ps, anyone seen the GRANT steering wheels on ebay? kinda cool but pricey tho!