Hello 914 community,
Just wanted to let you all in on a 914 build to remember. This car was initially thought out on a napkin sketch, and has slowly been coming to life. The idea behind this project is simple, how would Porsche go about creating a 914 cup car today? Well, hopefully when the build is done, it'll meet our racing derived expectations that only a manufacturer like Porsche could (re) produce.
Brief Technical Specs (will list more as the build progresses):
-1974 Porsche 914 fully assembled by MSDSinc.
-Cayenne V8 TT 5.0 litre, derived from 2010 Daytona Prototype engineering, built by Lozano Brothers Porting (1000 / 1100 whp)
-Porsche 996 GT2 Transmission, built by California Motorsports
Some of you may ask why, we asked why not?
Enjoy,
Matthew Schneider
www.msdsinc.com
This is the condition that we bought her in,
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Don't know why I started cleaning this, it'll be replaced with new sheet metal fit for the Cayenne TT engine
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Custom racing seat!
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The 996 GT2 Transmission fully built by California Motorsport (CMS) for our 1000/1100 whp needs.
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All about the details!
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Sheridan wide body kit
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Carrera GT Exhaust Tips!!!
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The heart of the beast when it was first received
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What the engine will 99.9% look like when finished, and yes this is the 2010 Daytona Prototype (and Cayenne V8 all motor) winning car that you were just trying to remember.
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Messing around with some ideas, just pretend you see a roof
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lunch time at the shop
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Many more updates to follow, stay tuned!
Looking forward to watching his build come along, its going to be one SWEET ride when finished, and based on what i saw at the phoenix club the other weekend you guys wont disappoint us on this one!!! Keep the pics coming!
Can't wait to see this
You have my attention.
I think my balls just dropped a little further.
Awesome! - Looks like your going - all in.
This will look nice next to Marty's flat fan turbo Monster.. You guys kill me...
Nice... I take it that's the engine I checked out for you? Looks like it worked out ok...good luck with the build!
Wow, looking forward to the build!
this will be cool to watch
I agree, this is going to be so fun to watch!
Subscribed for sure . I'd like to add a big resounding HELL YEAH
Sweet,
and by the way, MSDS makes great headers too....
Umm... 1000whp/tq?
This is cool and all, but damn, thats a hell of a lot of money thrown in this car already... Im sure you have one hell of a connections list already to just get ahold of that engine/trani.. but Thats got to be at least 50k already spent on those two items and probably closer to 100k.....
A few months ago I was concidering this very same project. I had a lead on a cayenne v8 motor in my area..life prevented me from pulling the trigger and moving ahead with the idea.....! I went the 3.0l way. Maybe my next project
Looking forward to learning from your experiences.....
Best Wishes.
Subscribed!
how do you/did you remove the glue residue from where the backpad was in the engine compartment without removing the paint?
I'm in the same boat and I want to get rid of the residue left behind but I don't want to remove any of the paint if I don't have to.
<forgive me if that's a noob question>
Don't forget to make a youtube video when it's running.
This build is truly inspirational. Somehow the best ideas always come from a napkin sketch. At what point do you cross the line into building a "supercar" , this may be it.
Subscribed.
Time to clean the shop and go on a supply run...
Good luck. You'll need it.
You might as well build a tube frame and hang that body on it.
An LBP 5.0 cayenne v8 n/a built to Daytona Prototype spec.
Circa 2010.
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This is the Loss of trunk space when using an inverted 996gt2
Transaxle. Our build will eliminate most of the trunk floor.
Photo courtesy CMS.
One of the oe turbo exhaust manifolds.
You can just about pass a silver dollar through the discharge.
Too small for our turbonetics gtk.
Not even tubing, just 2 low grade stainless steel clam shells welded together.
We are designing some tubular Shorty turbo headers for decent spooling.
The "Flying mailbox" intake plenum.
Ambitious and super cool.
I cant wait to see video of it driving/burning the tires off!
That's pretty crazy HP #'s for the little guy......I'll be watching this.
Awesome build!
Here is my 5.3 liter engine based from the 4.5 Cayenne. This is the normally aspirated configuration going into the LN Engineering Cayenne S. Next comes the 5.5 TT version for Beth's beast.
Genuine LN Nickies, our own billet rods, true 4 valve piston design from JE and all the other goodies. Having fun developing these components, engine designs and assembly procedures.
Nothing like doing it all from scratch... This is a 13:1 daily driver. The 6 liter stroker version is going to be a lot of fun to complete, for sure.
And what does this has to do with ????
Deep breathing for the new gtk's . Mandrel formed, Laser cut flanges ,
better spool up time.
Hello 914 community,
Here's the projects latest update. Please, excuse the picture sizes as some were taken on my phone and others on a point & shoot camera.
Here you can see the 35+ years of Germany's finest glue coming off the aluminum trim from the A pillar. Also, if anyone is looking for near perfect 914 aluminum trim pieces PM me.
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These are the clear tail lights that came in from Auto Atlanta. They'll fit right in for that modern look we're going for.
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Cutting out the trunk floor pans
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Removing the rear view mirror from the windshield, boy was that fun....NOT!
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Removing the wire harness
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And completely out! Pictures don't show the work it took to get this all out in one piece justice. PM me if you're interested in this.
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Several engine pics just in from Lozano Brothers Porting. Here you can see the cylinder head porting they have done.
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Here is the oil pump being fit, notice no oil pan as it is currently being CNC'd for bottom clearance.
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Oil Pump side view, and no you're not trippin' out, the picture is upside down to show the engine right side up.
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Here is the block with the iron sleeves fitted
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This is the carbon fiber dash that will bring that race car elegance to our project, can't wait till it's finished!
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What the dash will primarily look like. (Picture taken from another forum member's car).
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Here is a pic from Neo914's car. This is what we need for our new headlights, if anyone knows anyone who has / makes or is willing to produce a pair please PM me.
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Air intake box idea from BBI's fabricator, "The_Fabricator" of Instagram, we'll be utilizing two of these for the twin turbo set up
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Throwing around some ideas for the turbos, how cool would this be!?
Photo courtesy of EuroTuner
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One thing is for sure though, our welds and pipe bends wont look like this!
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And how could I leave you without your daily afternoon dose of eye candy. This pic should really be rated NSFW, but her top is still on so I guess it's okay?
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So glad to see someone doing this.
Marty, you are the right guy for this project.
It's something we talked about as soon as that motor arrived, but we all needed to wait till a few of them ended up in the junk yards...
I look forward to this car getting done
Hello community! Here is a small update, but too cool not to post!
I've been in communications over the last several months with a forum member on here, and created this beautiful masterpiece you see below. Let me just say, it was worth every penny. The quality and craftsmanship that went into this Carbon Fiber dash piece is bar none the best.
I think it'll look great with the black "texuede sp" I got to cover the dash with for that exotic race feel.
pretty much summed up my facial expression at first sight..
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Well that's it for the carbon fiber dash for now, but I'll be sure to post more dash pics once the texuede sp arrives.
Not to leave you so soon, here are some pics of the bulbs for the tail lights:
Over 120 LEDs per bulb! (excluding the smaller ones of course)
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Love that dash....I wish they were in production, I would buy one.
Matt,
Great dash porn, I took photos before sending it over but was never happy with the lighting.
So, what color will you paint the car?
R towle, producing as time permits, your in the queue, PM sent.
It'll 'officially' be painted carrera white, but it'll be viynl wrapped (exterior only) in something crazy attention grabbing etc.
These were some of the ideas I was throwing around:
Gray Urban Camo,
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Orange Urban Camo,
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Red Urban Camo,
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WOW that carbon fiber dash is sweet!
David
Awesome dash !!!
Where did you score those LED bulbs?
Great project!!!
Are the outside dimensions (space it takes up) of your race engine the same as a stock Cayenne/Panamera engine?
What engine mounts/mounting system are you using to get it to bolt onto the 914 body?
Thanks,
Konrad
Love the dash. Would love to buy one if they go into production. How heavy is it compared to the OEM dash?
The CF dash can be lifted with a pinky finger! The OEM one, not so much. I haven't had a change to weigh the dashes yet, but I'll comment back on that as soon as I can.
Thanks,
Wasn't someone on here looking to make a production run?
heard someone got a neighbourhood kid to help out????
maybe 2 months ago. haven't seen anything since then.
That was Ruby914. I'm not sure if it's gone anywhere since then.
Erwan,
I recall the price was just north of $3,000 for all of the parts in the picture.
You can check the products out at Sheridan914.
Roger is a go-to guy for our 914s !
Marty
The new cnc aluminum oil pan , now 100% dry sump and a boatload of ground clearance compared to the oe Cayenne pan.
I wonder of this is what Porsche calls their new 4.6 "Flatcrank" engine design in the upcoming 918?
Marty
Nice work on that pan.
Just enough room in the edge (left +right )of the oil pan "Rail" for the #12 an turbo oil drains.
.... I am totally at loss for words... this project is IMPRESSIVE!!
In my next life, I want to be a real builder... have no idea how many of you pull incredible stuff in this site!!
...not worthy!!
I can barely get my inside light to work!!
Awesome project!
> Porsche 996 GT2 Transmission
Do you have the basic dimensions of this transmission? Or anyone know where to find them?
- Overall length and width?
- Distance from bell housing to center of axle output flanges?
- Distance between output flanges?
Thanks - I have a new project I'm working on too...
-Steve
Done, and # 12 a/n turbo oil drains in place.
Black fittings...other one on opposite side.
Pistons and rods coming in early August.
Marty
Update:
The Haltech Platinum Series Sport 2000 came in today. This ECU is a complete a la carte set up.
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Everything that came in was perfectly packaged.
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Not to mention everything is already pre - labeled!
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GPS Certified MPH / KPH
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The Haltech IQ3 Logging Dash w/ SD Card for saving everything.
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Pity there isn't a like button for that Haltech. They are a great system. I have two sprint ecu's and put a sport 1000 in a mates car
Shaping up to be a great build
I love it--they even have wires to shock the Dreaded Previous Owner! (DPO wire.)
Dave...DPO, that is so true
The previous owner of our project car had aftermarket Clifford alarm and DPD aircon wires running all through this chassis. We sent the entire harness to Jeff for his inventory. The Haltec harness gives us a good head start on wiring up the management system. I'm looking at a basic race car wiring set-up from Painless...do you have any experience with that Co. ?
Marty
Not I, sorry. It would be interesting to see how their stuff meshes with the 914's systems layout, though.
--DD
Marty: I did a Scout II with painless. Nothing is painless as it is still wireing a hole car, But thier system worked good and I never blew a fuse and every thing turned back on.
Hello World,
Here is a BIG update that we're very happy to share with you all. This has been several months in the works, and have finally arrived. Forgeline Motorsports set us up with a set of their GT Style Centerlock Long Nose adapters. They are Carrera GT inspired, red per the driver side, blue per the passenger side.
For your reference: (apologies for the grainy cell phone picks)
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Pretty! How will this last in the real world?
Please tell me you will be running those brakes as well...
Those are beautiful.
Marty,
Any special coating for the pistons?
Very nice!
Two forklifts in unison placing the roller onto the dolly...
Removing the tar off the floorboards, heading out to the media blaster...then back to MSDS for more action.
^^ Ummmmmm isn't the heat bad? going to warp and distort the metal?
I used a multi tool with a scraper tip worker great before heading to media blasting.
Snowman, it is all in the " Time on target" and experienced torch skills. It works for us.
Marty
Sorry these are all out of order, consider this a photo dump of the car's latest condition.
The car is back from the blaster, and will now be seam welded and the strengthening kit will be welded on as well leading to the roll cage.
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SQS sequential shifter system for the 996gt2 transaxle.
We will need to have a longer cable made for mid engine application.
Budget build huh?
My philosophy is "Built not bought" so although some of these procured parts are pricey, I'm still ahead with my dollars by putting it all together. Anyone want to guesstimate what Ruf, Singer or Patrick would roll one of these out of their shops for ?!!
And then there is the fun factor of that first push on the start button + waking this monster up
Marty
Flagship...
Oh ya, the EVOMS guys. Yes thanks for pushing my memory cells -
Here are some high - res photos of the Sequential Adapter, and a mock up of how it'll look in the car, eventually...
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Wow, sexy
Cutting out the tunnel top is a great way for access to add needed controls and such. Are there any plans to fab a cover for the top or just leave it open ??? GR8 build so far !!!! Should be a hoot !!!!!!
Jack
Wicked cool!
Seeing that tells me I definitely need to cut the top of my tunnel out too. There's a lot of room there to lay things out nicely if you have ready access to it. Adding in some braces every 10" or so should help make up for any lost rigidity. No?
This thing is gonna be a monster!
Intake now finished up with RC injectors, rails, throttle body, tps. Aka the "Flying Mailbox" !
The Daytona velocity stack will not be used in our forced induction engine.
Guys like that make it seem so easy. "Of course, don't all your welds automatically look like a perfect stack of nickels?"
Major league envy here...
--DD
Seam welding every part of the car:
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As you can see in the background in the car, every seam has been welded:
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Inner long / Cabin stiffening kit welded in:
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Here is the rear quarter panel almost ready to fit some monstrous wide fender flares:
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Radiator came in:
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Finally, after several weeks of welding, all the seams are now fully welded:
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Here is the mock up of the strut bar braces that were welded in. And yes the wood is only a temporary holder for alignment. The actual strut bar that connects to these braces will be cnc'd from an aluminum block:
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AND THE GRAND FINALLY!! WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR... (well at least 14 months for me):
The engine in its completion!
Quick specs:
2005 Cayenne Twin Turbo motor, bored out from 4.5 to 5.0 Litre.
All new / upgraded everything internally.
Wilson Intake Manifold (yes the same intake manifold used on the 2010 Winning 24 Hour of Daytona, Prototype Cayenne V8 N/A powered car!)
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Holy high-power!! That is SICK!!! Congrats!!!
Pure PORNsche....
Hello fellow forum members, sorry for the temporary leave of absence on updates. There have been massive amounts of progress on the project vehicle, and we’d like to take a moment to share it with you.
Back in July of this year we flew out to Texas for a meat and greet with Ben Lozano, one of the great guys behind Lozano Brothers Porting, and no that is not a typo, there was a lot of meat in Texas. A LOT OF MEAT! First things first of course after a 5 hour flight is to eat like a local.
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After the best BBQ I ever had in my life, we finally made it to Lozano Brothers Porting to view the engine in its final form.
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While we were there, we were treated to some of their other projects that were around their place of business.
2 ready to race Cayenne V8 N/A Daytona Spec Engines:
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Used Cayenne V8 Engine Blocks:
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And of course you don’t leave Lozano Brothers Porting w/o a quick history lesson from Ben Lozano himself.
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Below is one of the most prestigious trophies in the history of motorsports, the Manufacturer’s Trophy. The story behind this one is as follows,
After the Action Express car won the 2010 24 Hours of Daytona, the award ceremony immediately commenced of course. When the presenter announced the award for the Manufacturer’s Trophy, Porsche Motorsport North America declined to accept the award, based on the facts that one, they did not supply the winning car’s power train, and two, Porsche (to this day) do not support or promote their V8 engines for racing purposes. So, who else was left to accept the trophy? None other than Ben Lozano himself of course! Not bad from a band of brothers from the Lone Start State.
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…When in Rome.. or should I say The Americas!
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Didn’t I say this was a meat & greet trip?
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I don’t always believe what I’m told.
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After leaving Texas, it was time to get back to work. Here we cut out some of the metal in the body to feed the radiator lines through the front into the inner longs and out the rear into the engine compartment.
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Removing all of the caulking in the vehicle. At least 8 – 10lbs of caulking removed in total.
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Oil Cooler mock – up: There will be 2, one on each side.
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Once the engine arrived back at our headquarters in California, we immediately shipped it to our long time associates over at AASCO Motorsports for the necessary mating hardware.
Tilton Triple Carbon / Carbon Clutch:
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And the mating plate itself:
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Just over an inch in width:
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And Voila! A World’s first. Cayenne V8 TT mated to an inverted 996 GT2 Transaxle. A moment we’ve waited for, for so long, that we stayed way after closing time for the guys at AASCO. Sorry Vince, hope you can understand!
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More cage work progress in the rear:
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And a quick glimpse of the wiring progress so far. Who would've thought Mercedes Benz made parts for Porsche? Well, it wouldn't be the first time..
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Many more pictures to follow!
All the best,
Matthew E. Schneider
MSDS Inc.
WOW!
That's all I got.
This is the most over the top outstanding build I believe I have ever seen. The quality of the work and the extent of detail is mind blowing.
This is exciting,the building of the ultimate Porsche V8 914.
All the right stuff.
Wow.
This thing is going to be really cool!
OMG . I can't wait to see how that sits in the car. How do you plan to do the engine lid? That is obviously going to stick out the top. Not that I care as I know you have some killer plan. I can't wait to see it man. Seriously sick build
there is still a little bit of the 914 left in there !
Hello World!
Here's a look at the progress so far.
We've cut the doors for the roll cage / "NASCAR" style door bars. Please excuse the 40 year old paint and surface rust. This will all be taken care of in the painting process soon to follow.
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Here you can see the wooden mock up for the rear support bars. This was then cut to fit in metal and welded in.
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The Tangerine Racing Heim Rod Braces have been welded in.
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The inner longs were then cut open so we can send the radiator lines through them from the front to the rear.
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The trailing arms were welded to their stiffening kits. We custom built the jigs for them while they were being welded to reduce any structural movements when they were expanding and contracting from the welder's heat.
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The Dual Element carbon fiber wing from APR came in as well. It measures 71 inches across and is a really neat piece that we can't wait to attach to the car.
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Quick interior shot
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Also had sometime to install the Carrera GT exhaust tips into the bumper.
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Thankfully the fiberglass rear bumper is European spec so we we're able to have a wider spread between the exhaust tips.
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There will be an inner extension of exhaust tubing the comes out from the Carrera GT tips. Pics of this later.
Stay tuned!
Matt
SO is the new time line to have it done for RENNSPORT Reunion?
Beautiful build! What size rectangular tubing is your rear chassis supports? They look strong enough to handle what you're doing to it!
This has always been a dream build of mine. Very cool.
Konrad
I just caught up on this thread and now I am hungry
Thank you for letting us all watch and for making our dreams come true. I always tell people "the 914 is the ultimate project car." This is one ultimate project. Now I want to go to Rensport Reunion for the first time.
Just please don't share how much this build would really cost!!
I use a contractors EMT bender and tubing to create the sample bends for the cage work. Then the samples are used for the real bends which are mandrel formed in 1.750 x .120" wall.
Marty
Awesome build....
The license plate is just PERFECT .... I'd rivet that sucker on so it doesn't end up on someones garage wall!
When the Cayenne was introduced, Matt sketched this concept on a paper napkin at Big Sur campgrounds. The final livery will be penned in a few months.
Marty
More welding chores this weekend:
On board air jack system, our car uses 3 total. The red looking "Beer stein" is a pit jack-stand that adds extra security during longer pitting. The air jack piston travels downwards approx.9" . With the car at 5" ride clearence, we should get another 4" ground clearence for tire changing.
Hello fellow 914 World members,
I thought it was time to give you all our April progress update, so let us dive right into it!
We are continuously welding in the roll cage pieces. Here you can see the finishing touches on the cabin to rear pieces.
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Next up is the dash. Upon further inspection, we hit a road block when it came to finishing the interior roll cage work because we were unable to fit the dash in after the roll cage would’ve been welded. So, we had to complete the dash in its entirety before we were able to continue the interior cabin roll cage work.
The idea for this dash was literally 3 years in the making and I’m very happy how it turned out. The idea behind the look of it came from GT racing cars, where they use what looks like the OEM dash, but highly modified for the car’s racing needs. We used alcantara and carbon fiber, sourced from a fellow board member. You know who you are! And thank you for helping us achieve such a design masterpiece. There will be a carbon fiber lower dash addition (not pictured) to hold all the switches.
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And back from the upholster:
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And installed:
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FASTEN SEAT BELT!!
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The Haltech Engine Management Elite 2500 came in. This supersedes our older Platinum 2000 unit and will offer us more tuning capabilities:
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It even comes with a USB Key!
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The LED taillights came in from Spoke too!
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Once the roll cage work is done, we will be moving on to Air Jack placement :
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That’s it for now!
-Matt
9 inch airjacks, 5 inches of clearance and a 4 inches or ram stroke left over? Aint gonna work with full suspension droop to get the tires off the ground unless you limit the droop with straps. With straps at all 4 corners you creating another conundrum; tire lift when you really don't want lift. Straps on the rear ok, on the front its gonna go from sticky to no steering faster than you can pucker.
I love the dash!
Nice build.
I hear you Jeff on the suspension droop, but we are having the JRZ suspension tuned + set by Kerry at ERP. He is building in our "stops" internally in the shocks...so not a problem.
Have you checked your pm lately ?
Marty
What an amazing build!!!! This thing is going to be a beast!
More inspiration for my build.
I'm in awe.......cant say anything, total jaw dropping....
Thanks guys for the kind words.
Not posting much on the build right now...but here's one
wow...that is one-helluva cage...the tubing is bigger than my exhaust!
Sweet!
You should build in pivots on the entry and exit of the cage to make easier access.
You better get moving on this. The G & R is less than two weeks away.
Elliot on your way to the GR, I know that you are stopping into the shop to give me some Elyut critique, yes ?
Check your pm
Marty
I'm jealous of people with 914 skills!
I just want to see this thing! Any updates?
Thomas
Work going on in the front trunk area, for the AeroLatch brackets
Forward area of the trunk, in the headlight bay. ..also for the AeroLatch.
Four in total to hold down the front trunk.
Total of 4 AeroLatch brackets in the rear trunk.
These small attachments are welded to the existing "Bumper stop adjuster" trunk lid plates....makes for a decent landing area for the latches.
Wow Just Wow! Now this is a great build thread! Mad skills you guys have.
so bad it's good
NICE!! the dream build I never knew existed!!!
Dzus fastener 101. This was my first experience with these fasteners.
Pegasus Racing supplied the parts, some racing buddies and the Internet gave me the education. So the rear quarter panels provided the learning curve. I should be A+ by the time I reach the fiberglass front end !
Left + Right quarters in place, starting to fasten it down. There are various combinations of Dzus fasteners and mating pins. The Pegasus kit has a variety of 4 fasteners and 4 pins. I spent lots of time getting these panels to fit tight by trial and error, finally getting the correct combination. The blue tape has notes jotted down, which were then recorded to my data log.
Rear quarter inboard support struts.
I made these bolt-in style, and built jigs so we can have replacement struts on hand. Small fasteners make set up work quick, then replace with Dzus fasteners for the final fit.
The small OE support bracket gets trimmed away.
SafeCraft brand outer cage net set up, features a real clean quick- release design; beneficial for both driver and safety crew.
This is the small receiver for the quick release SafeCraft plunger, I machined the contour to match the roll bar where it will be welded.
I guess you can say that this is a Hand built U.S.hot rod
These solid steel "Circles" were cut to the contour of the trailing arm ends and welded in place.
Handy when lashing down the 914 while transporting in the trailer.
Amazing build...equally amazing amount of money to throw at this project! I love it. Just out of curiosity...what is the projected weight "range" of the finished car? Are you intending to have hinged doors or dzus fasteners? Will this car be street legal too?
Keep up the great work - I enjoy seeing the progress pics. THANKS for sharing!
PS: I am REALLY looking forward to seeing how you fit the turbo's and manifolds back
there - it will be a tight space with ALL that going on!
Tony
All I can say is I'm very impressed! I understand (but am not personally capable and talented enough to execute such a build) what it takes to pull this off. Do you mind sharing with everyone how
you've built-out the front of the car? You have allot of good ideas...
With that said - I "challenge" your car to a duel of sorts, either at Road Atlanta or Barber Motorsports Park - your choice. Looser on "best lap time" pays transportation fees!
I'm (only) running an "itty-bitty-four-cylinder" - no brainer! The only caveat is the "owners" have to drive the cars. This might be the only way I see YOUR car in action...even if its only for awhile - my rear view mirrors are very small.
I (and many, many others) would love to see your car on the East Coast - I'm sure many enthusiasts would be willing to "travel-in" if it could be scheduled at a DE in advance.
Tony/Cracker
Barber would be a meaningful location for you to visit since its home to their Porsche Sport Driving School (a very expensive Cup Car program - 10G's - for a weekend!). I believe I remember you stating your car would be an interpretation of a modern "Cup" car - of sorts. If so, there are very good baselines for comparison to that model at Barber. Another big benefit is its not nearly as "dangerous" (far more forgiving) as Road Atlanta...
Thanks for the pictures in advance...as you make progress.
Tony
Thanks for sharing...although I have room, between the dry sump tank, cooler, intakes, and all - I just can't imagine finding ADDITIONAL room for all the extra items
you need to mount. I'm keeping two seats in the car but if not it would be a breeze. Keep'em coming!
T
Small update for October; making the template over the tunnel for the SQS sequential shifter. It will run a cable back to the inverted trans. Just getting a feel for the basic stance of my cabin space. That old 914 seat works perfect for today's test.
Marty
You are sick, in a good sort of way.
Could you post the table or jig you built to hold the car still while you do this welding?
I am looking for se ideas.
This build just keeps getting better and better...
Does the Cayenne/Panamera V8 bolt to any of "standard" Porsche or Audi'ish transaxles?
I like that the Audi 4.2 bolts to a Boxter transmission, however hard to pass up a fairly low mileage Porsche engine for a little bit more money.
Thanks for the updates...always a "treat" to see what (and how) you folks are building this car. Keep'm coming please.
Tony
Been following this off and on, and now revisiting. All I can say is: whoa. What a cool father and son project, and what an ambitious project.
I always thought the flat-fan car would be impossible to top as the wildest all-Porsche 914 hot rod. I guess I was wrong.
pete
Setting up the sheet metal for the new mono-wiper on the cowl.
Placement and final trimming for rear bumper fitment.
With this brand (A.I.R.) fiberglass bumper, you can't use the factory dog bones...so I will shape my own custom spacers.
Just had to take a quick burger break, it's gotta be an In-N-Out
The mono wiper is a combination of AFI and Marinco watercraft items.
The blade is 24", arm is adjustable from 10"-14". I chose this method as there are no rods or mechanisms involved. The sweep, park of the blade is adjusted by a cam inside the motor unit. It is also has 2 speeds. A simple bracket system to hold it, and a 5/8" shaft adapter bushing is all that's needed.
Thats cool and probably period correct for racers. However the mono on my wifes old E320...well...it works good on sunny days
monoemono Great choice of motor
dont forget to get a chiwawa to ride shotgun a
that blade may be to long ,,unless you have a pantograph style arm ??
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A custom tool that I fabb'd up, it holds the vents down in place on the cowl while I'm cutting away. The tool is held down on the sheet metal with one hand while I run the small saw with my other hand.
The placement of the holding tool; the grille "Fingers" stayed in place while cutting...nothing bent or damaged.
Cutting out the recess for the bottom of the new mono-wiper/ 18 ga. mounting plate. The hold down tool also doubles as a safety buffer for my fingers while cutting.
As viewed from under the cowl, recess is approximately 2" x 2" area.
For kicks...I placed the wiper down into the wiper shaft area . There is enough adjustment in the arm for final dial-in...when the wiper motor gets fitted.
MSDS 9148-gtt photographer and good friend Sherwood, he's also a member here.
Thank you, all the motivation I need.
914-8 gtt projekt approval by a Factory official, our good friend Uwe (center in pic) stopped in the MSDS Zentrum for a visit. He has been following our hot-rod builds since the mid '80s. He wanted to know what this 914's nickname will be...good question
Lots of Porsche crew in California during Rennsport Reunion5.
any new pics you can share?
I need to get the PR man back into forum-mode as there are new updates.
Here's the drive train hoist that we fabricated for about 625 lbs.of engine/Trans placement.
Bottom view; foot pedal, hand control and extended base.
Stainless steel shift tower plate (.250") welded in place, across the tunnel.
Love all the mods, I guess POC will have to put you in the P1 class or an exhibition class if and when you decide to run this monster.
This car keeps getting better and better!
Marty,
I was just thinking the other day I probably need a net...I hope my copy-cat is taken as flattery. Would you kindly post a picture of how you fabricated the rearward mounts? Thank you in advance!
PS: Although my car is not even within the same league as your build...it would be an absolute thrill (for me) to get our cars together on track. My "new" engine arrives tomorrow from TX - it is "my version" of the perfect power plant. How quickly can you get that car finished? I'm heading to Road America later this year...
Tony
Tony, they make the net-strap end real simple to install.
Each of the 3 horizontal straps wrap around the vertical section of the roll bar.
Each strap is held in place with a buckle, similar to the type used on your helmet strap (just wider for this net-strap). No welding at all, makes a real clean installation.
I don't know when we will trailer out to Atlanta, lots of tracks out west !
Once she's running, I'll be testing and tuning at Willow Springs (home track ) with some Haltech tuners.
More updates as the build continues
Marty
Took a measurement and made an outline off of a gt3RS quarter . I'll sketch it into the rear Sheridan 914 quarters, and install the factory gt3RS ducts.
These will feed air to the left + right rear oil coolers. Always handy to have another Porsche nut in the neighborhood
Here's the layout on the quarter panel itself.
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Thanks Marty for the "push"...I've gone full Safecraft (harnesess, twin window nets, fire bottle system, etc). They have a unique edge about them...again, thanks to you for bringing them to our attention!
Your car continues to amaze me! At least I can say there is something in common with your car...our window nets!
Tony
One more item completed; hand built ecu harness for the Haltech Elite 2500 management system. Designing the custom schematic and the harness build was fun , the Weller soldering gun got her done ! The Porsche Cayenne TT ecu is not tuneable for anywhere near the needs of this 5.0
Very nice Marty...I'm glad those days are over!
T
What bender are you using? You got some mad bending skills! lookin good!
Hey Marty,we need a update also when's the next parking lot party ?
Sometimes, I think Marty just tend to surf this forum. I remember seeing other updates in the various Porsche forums.
Yes, I think the ones who really appreciate this out of the box track toy would love to see updates to this incredible build
I expect to see this car at WCR 2017.
Some aerial photography today...off to the paint shop now. Don't you just love Body Shops ?
Badass can't wait to see this finished.
What color you going with?
Looking good.
I do love body shops....but that's because ScottyB is my body shop guy
That's going to be awesome!
-Steve
Such great metal work !
Thank you Steve + Pete...wait till you guys see what we're building next
Simple clip/screw attachment to the GT3RS fender ducts, this will keep them in place on the Sheridan quarter panels. After placing my template down to the fenders, I only had one chance to correctly cut the fiberglass...and I nailed it
Just another 914-in-primer pic, she will be sprayed in Grand Prix white in Januaury . Happy Holidays everyone ¡!
...if you keep this up, someone might even nominate you for COTM!
I know how much that means to you!
Tony
Awesome!
Just out of curiosity, why did you go for standard primering, etc. instead of powder coating since this is really just the "hidden" frame?
Fabricating the support brackets for gt3rs air ducts ; installing into rear Sheridan quarter panels
The set- up with rubber tipped vise grips, clamp; the contours of the ducts are made for 991 fitment; clamps help relax the duct into the Sheridan fender, which has a real close contour to the 991 but not exact. Each bracket (6 tot) has its own mating angle to the duct fastener. Simple JB epoxy and a 24 hour set up time, and complete.
On to the Passenger side set-up...same procedure
Taking these over to the body shop this week to meet the maestro + his paint booth
Ooh la La!!!
Now thats a body in white!!
R
that's a frame for a 1000HP engine!
Incredible work. I can really appreciate the incredible hours and thinking, tinkering, what if scenarios, load paths, usability, maintenance.....on and on. Wow wow fantastic job!
This is such a very cool project...
Thanks guys for your comments ! Another view from the paint dept.
I don't think you'll have any problems with twisting.
...last one for now ¡
Everyone have a safe + pleasant Memorial Day; my respect and gratitude to all who serve/ have served
A couple of small detail parts complete: lightweight door-limit stops
I saw this type of door-limit stop on a vintage 911 ( R gruppe ) at the Rennsport Reunion, so decided to stitch up a set for our 914 F Truppe
Got a head start on the rear trans support by using this 915 style beam, along with a pair of wevo semi-solid mounts. It will have additional steel gussets added, and will be bolted into the 914 beefed up framework. The inverted 996 gt2 transaxle weighs in at 175 lbs dry.
Its been so long I almost forgot about your mad project! Good to see it going again Marty...merry Christmas and happy new year! Get that crazy thing finished - I can't wait to see it rolling under its own power.
Tony
Prototype basic door-pull , Rennline red nylon lanyard should do the trick.Close match up on the red door-limit stops !
Wow, I can't wait to see this thing take shape. Looks cray cray so far....!!!
Merry, merry, Marty!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas Marty! See you at Rennsport Reunion 2018!
A couple things. First, I love my MSDS headers, you guys are artists! Second, how did I miss this? This is an incredible build! I just went through it, start to finish and I feel like I need to smoke a cigarette! Dear God that’s hot!
All those pre- bent pipes...seems wrong ...but a really nice job of wrong...
Check fit of the Tangerine Racing rear suspension- console strengthening struts/ to any interference at the motor mount cross-bar; check ! Chris makes some awesome products for our cars. Next up; complete the Left and Right side plates of the engine mount. This set up is using the Wevo semi-solid (blue) 914 motor mounts, along with 911 semi solids at the rear to capture the nose of the transaxle. Cameo appearance of checkered Vans, comfy shoes to wear while cruising the Grand National Roadster Show this weekend
How strong are those motor mounts? A good amount of torque and that bolt may rip through.
My first V8 conversion I used the best 911 mounts on the market (at that time). The first time it was running, I eased the clutch out at idle and ripped the 911 mount apart. I switched to solid steel after that. The mounts looked similar with red bushings.
Made these spacer plates that will fill the side-to-side gaps in the 914 motor-mount buckets. The Wevo mounts (actually rear trans mounts) will be 100% surrounded + supported now
Viewed from the opposite side, as the assembly sits down in the bucket...
Thank you Mike Bellis for putting this "Bug" in my ear...stronger is better !
You should make a couple more of those plates with a smaller hole and sandwich that bushing in place. One on either side of the motor mount.
First time you launch that thing, those pretty blue bushings are going to pop out.
Are you going to have it done by rennsport reunion? So we can come bum a beer and get googly eyed look at all your great worK.
Well, it's taken a long time to get here, but here we are.
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Peek a boo, I see you!
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-Matt
HP to weight, this reminds me more of a motorcycle. Can’t wait to see some track videos from Willow Springs when this is done. Be safe!!!!
WOW. Just wow, Marty. This is coming along nicely!!!!
By the way, my MSDS headers are a work of art under my car too.
I also used the Tangerine struts when I did my welding. I'm glad I did.
Wow, the wife was wondering why I was just using so much foul language right now, that is just so ##$@,-%@#$@%. amazing.
All business, I shall be sending your rear tires early condolence letters.
This build is beyond cool. And it will sound NUTS through the gears.
Wow, beautiful engine! Looks great inside that white frame.
...really appreciate your interest in our build ! Randy, Steve, Lawrence Van and all you guys here for pushing this project along
Marty + Matt
That looks awesome.. Very cool
Awesome!
I hope you're going to be doing some extra bracing of those rear suspension pickup points....
It looks like they're gonna need all of the help they can get!!!
--DD
Had a chance to see this beast in person over the weekend and it is quite the build.
Nice work Marty! and great thread! WOW
I love jigs. Looks great. Burn 'em in!
Rear transaxle mounting / 2 part system
Left bracket (in fixture) attaches to the inverted trans
Top Alum piece connects everything to the unibody, transaxle rides on Wevo semi-solid mounts
Marty is the man! Can't wait to see it.and when's the next parking lot party?
Aerial view...I actually brought the drivetrain up a bit higher so the underbody diffuser is flush to the floor pan
Looking great as usual.
Hi everyone,
Just wanted to share our progress with you all as we near ever closer to Rennsport Reunion.
We're eagerly awaiting to show you this work in progress project of ours in person, so come stop by any time throughout the event and see for yourself, and don't forget to stop by our vendor booth at 5:00 pm on Saturday 9/29 for the 914 World get together!
We have been diligently working with Cary Eisenlohr of Eisenlohr Racing Products (ERP) in association with Tarett Engineering to create our 935 front suspension w/ full JRZ coilovers and extended reservoirs.
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Carey getting hands on
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Also, a big shout out to 914 Rubber for the great turn around time on making our steering rack look and feel brand new!
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Below are our engine mounts & bar, in which we had ceramic coated.
(Don't mind the bolts in the pic as they're temp for fitment purposes)
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In the middle, you will notice our lower transaxle mount, which is part of a 2 mount set - up.
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Below is the upper transaxle mount, which also supports the forthcoming wing upright mounts.
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It's all starting to come together.
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The car will be on display showcasing the Foregline 5 lug Centerlock Conversion Kit, but due to this still being a work in progress, it will be rolled on the Panasports.
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That's all for now!
Here I am trying to get some work done and am in a state of shock at the rawness and beauty of this build.
Damn, Matty's posting porn in the Garage again!
914 car part porn, that is. Love it....
--DD
Even if I had your money my car would look cobie and dumpy.
Nice Marty...
Whats the benefit/ rational on ceramic coating the motor mounts?
OMG
I can appreciate the lunacy of sinking so much effort into a project based upon
a 914 shape. Pretty damn cool Marty!
Cracker
I'm another 914 guy following this thread with anticipation and awe.
I'm trying to schedule myself to make it to Rennsport. If I do, I'll be by to see the beast and to say hi.
Great project!!!!!
We can't wait to show you what we've been working so hard on these last several years, and especially these last several months just to get it into its roller state for Rennsport Reunion.
Here's a quick look of where we're at.
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The beefy motor mounts.
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The interior is finally taking shape.
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Pretty nuts...I love it!
Cracker
Now that I can see the engine in the car, I can't wait to see what you are going to do with the rear trunk cover and the grill to fit around it.
Marty – MSDS,
I know you have heard this but your workmanship and finish are the best. Great ideas
Bob B
Marty & Matty, wow! I've been away for a few years, and just loved reading this entire thread! This is incredible!! I can't wait to see it - and hear it someday too!!
Absolutely awesome!
Keep those pictures coming. Looking forward to seeing that APR wing go on.
I saw this car yesterday and it’s stunning. Art and skill and everything you could do to a 914 to race it, and do it exceedingly well. There are a handful of builds we’ve all seen through the years, this one is truly exceptional. Congratulations to Marty and his son!
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Getting back into assembly of specialty equipment to the project; starting with the SQS sequential shifter module
Using a (3 phase) electric cord to get the sample length for the shift cable construction ; A local mfg. says about 1 week turnaround for the finished cable .
This build, put simply, brings a smile to my face.
Wow...love the build as a car, but also the heart and craft going into it.
The new JRZ suspension does not come with supports, nor brackets to hold the nitrogen canisters....just not for sale SO; building 4 of these tubular aluminum sectional housings to keep things in place. At Rennsport6 we just wrapped in small towels & zip tied !
Pieced together, minus the tightening tabs ...which need to be cut to size and Tig'd in place
At Rennsport6, the 914 project drew some good reviews from the Porsche boys at Weissach !¡
Moving on to the brakes, StopTech will be on our build. They are local to us in SoCal, offering us hands on engineering and design input on the project. I've been to their plants (2 in So Bay area) and the customer service is spot on.
Front calipers are their 6 piston units with 380mm x 32mm vented / floating discs that are built to bolt on to the 911 strut with 3 1/2" bolt spacing. The finish on the calipers will be their electroless-nickel, not red as in this factory pic. Minimum wheel dia is 18" with this brake setup and the 935 bits we have installed
Rear StopTechs are their #ST40 4 piston model. Using the Rich Johnson style 986 Boxster adapters, the ST-40's are 99% in position on the trailing arm. I'll use 12mm washers to shim the caliper into final position, then remake the aluminum blocks to the new fitment spec. The white trailing arm in the pic (use it at trade shows) is my workhorse for the rear prototype; so dont mind the solid rotor in place>> just being used for reference. The final rear rotors are 355mm x 32mm vented floating discs.
Sharpies make for decent 12mm soft dowels
White suspension might look good on the right car. Hmmm
Thanks for the update. Looks great!
You're not going to make your own semi-trailing arms? Really?
--DD
We want to see this car on the road!!!!!!!!!
Looks great Marty
Auto nirvana .........I still love and need your wing and it's support set up. What does it take to get a copy?
Off the hook Marty, off the hook...great job!
Tony
Goodness gracious.
Unbelievable.
Things to do while waiting on StopTech brake order...finish up the JRZ nitrogen cannister brackets. Once the brakes are received and mounted, I can then determine the offset measurements for the custom wheel order. Lots to do while waiting for special order parts...
since you have time..your gonna need bigger wheel bearings...??
there is a guy that ended upwith a bunch of vellios castings..I know the history,,but,,easy . I believe he has some not fully machined castings still...
I bought the 2 fully machined sets one 3.o and turbp spacing...my other 914 has a machined set custom .from AZ.... time..
I am just sayin easy now..
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Looking for JRZ mounting areas...front is good , rear should work tucked in a corner
It's not a proper race car without some red registration-marks; these are for quick sight reference for neutral
Harbor Freight didn't have a small dolly for the nitrogen tank, so had to custom make one with coffee cup holders
Last mod needed on the SQS sequential shift module; a bit of an angle change to one of the brackets
Didn’t you tell me that driving it was the goal?
I can’t wait to see it finished.
Please let us know when it’s running, I will make time to drop down to see it when I am on the west coast.
Thanks for sharing Marty. Looking forward to seeing the final product.
Marty..........I'm not worthy of your workmanship
Sketching our latest Livery...goal is Less = More, I want the GP white to dominate most of the car. P-Crest is not my design, but going to use this "Stained glass " look for the hood crest
Small bump in the front suspension progress; Stoptech rotors not happy with the ERP/ 935 style ball joints...
Cary over at Eisenlohr Racing Products (ERP) to the rescue with a pair of custom machined offset rotor-hats, sample on the Left .
It always helps to have friends in high places! Crossing fingers!
Hello all,
A brief update on our end with where we are, and what we've been up to.
As Marty has mentioned, we're currently dealing with brake fitment.
We had Cary at ERP custom machine us the front hats to extend the rotor outward / away from the lower ball joint for clearance. Now that that issue is behind us, we've centered everything up, and we'll be moving on to wheel measurement!
Disclaimer:The below pictures are from fitting purposes. Missing hardware will not be missing during final install.
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Stay tuned for more in the coming weeks!
-Matt
Small updates for now: our Forgeline GW3R centerlock wheels have arrived at Wheel Enhancement/ L.A.
Will proceed to fine-tune the clearence in the wheel wells, might trim out some excess fiberglass inner-lip of the Sheridan fenders.
12x18" rears and 9.5x18" fronts.
Wow! Serious wheels for sure. They look nice.
Sketching some of the turbo exhaust routing/ Zork pipes of course
Thanks for the updates on this thread. Has to be one of the all-time coolest 914 builds, and the car as well as the creative thinking continues to stun me. Love it!!
Good point Pete, and the wheel-bearing design-reference back to the '60s is a good point. The air cool era design could be inferior to the (newer) 996 design...however I'm using the latest ( slightly larger) bearing/ hub from the '87-89 Carrera. It's just one more wear + tear item on the car (as are the rear T- arm bearings) that will be inspected and changed out throughout the season of club racing.
I'll run this by my suspension guru Cary as well.
Appreciate your enthusiasm in our build project !
Just catching up on this thread.
Simply stunning Marty, absolutely love all you are doing.
I think the build is the most fun part, figuring everything out along the way is what really drives people to improve on things.
Congrats of continued progress and thanks for posting!
JRZ performs this (RSR) structural "Gusset" mod to the late 911 Carrera struts when you order their shock absorber system. A bit more strength...I'll run with these & change out the bearings as needed.
Note; the excess black coating on the spindle is removed prior to use.
Checking it twice ; updated the Haltech Elite 2500 with mods to the 8 coil pack grounds (-)
ECU cables/ control boxes going in first/ basic car wiring going in secondarily.
Another Gran Prix white with v8 Cayenne power, this is the Riley from 2010 Daytona era . Action Express team/ Lozano Bros. Porting engine !
Such an awesome build Marty & Matt. Let me know if there is anything we can do to help
Thank you! We cannot express our gratitude enough to you guys over at 914 Rubber for the products we have on our project. Top notch quality all the way.
-Matt
Merting of the minds with Brian, founder of Sway-a-way products. Axel discussions ...lots of good info from him !
Since I haven't ordered custom length axels in a long time, Brian suggested this fail-safe measuring method: cut an old axel in 1/2, set into a 1 1/4" piece of angle iron, and using 2 gear-clamps (to hold final length in place)...measure the distance between c/v joints. Measurements taken in full rear suspension droop. The 996gt2 transaxle is not mfg with an off center case...so measurements will be within a 1/16" or so Left axel and Right axel lengths. Working direct with Sway-a-Way (approx 30 min from msds,inc) helps a lot too ! Our new axels are being made from 300M alloy, and have more spline (broach) lengths at both ends, so they float as opposed to being circlipped in place. Only using 1 circlip at the trailing arm side.
While waiting on axels...I jumped back on the left & right engine grill.
It's 2 seperate lift-off type.
Setting up some support plates and frame; transferring the grill-pattern (for 8/32 bolt holes) via spray paint ...
Drill transfer( grill pattern ) now visible on the 16 ga. metal side bracket. The lift-off grill sections will include the small side grill (next to targa sail) lifting out simultaneously.
How the right side prototype looks, the 3/4" aluminum channel is the main backbone where the next section of grill is mounted to ; kind of like building a gt grill with an extra section of material ( donor grill).
Extra benefit from the VW/ Karmann mfg of our 914s; the prongs on these engine grills are nothing more than roof-nails...cost effective !!
With a bit of coaxing...I was able to put a 3mm die on these, and now have xlnt anchor points for fastening all of this puzzle together.
I know that there is a Snap-on brand tool for removing these darn rubberized fasteners, but I just fabbed one up in 10 min...
Thank you Bruce Stone & Garold S. for being the Grill Sargents !!
More on the twin lift-off grills as I make progress...now onto the custom rear tow-loop. GCR's in my club won't allow the 914 tow hook, and Rennline does not mfg a rear tow-loop for 914. 911 size thread is different...so built one this way:
Pegasus online has the SCCA approved loop diameter, made for the Ford Fiesta, but no threaded portion. I cut one of Auto Atlanta's new tow hooks then welded it to a machined piece of 3/4" barstock , it is durable and flips down when not needed. Same spot in the rear bumper as always !
Shown not yet fully TiG welded...
Pre-fitting Right side, make a few small adjustments, finish in satin-black, then black rubber edging, and add 2 hood pins...this is how I rock the 914 grill
Rears looking grippy
Front wheel & tire
Some fun with center caps
Body in white
Pre-fitting drivers side header (prototype is c/r steel)...production headers are made from stainless steel. View is looking upwards from ground level.
Tangerine Racing rear-suspension-console Bar in place !
Wheels look killer! Love the grill fab and cant wait to see the full exhaust!!
Right side prototype exhaust header ; the 4 tubes gather into the collector following the ignition firing order in a circular (rotational) pattern. This gives an extra swirl to the scavenging action and extra exhaust velocity towards the turbine inlet. Firing order is 1,3,7,2,6,5,4,8 . SO the R side fires: port 1,3,2,4 and the L side fires: port 7,6,5,8. Of course true 180° crossover headers would be 100% firing order tuned, but with the natural back-pressure created at the turbine inlets = nothing gained AND this would be a packaging + heat building fiasco in the confines of tight available space.
Very sweet, I would like to see your ultimate jig for that set up.
That will sound awesome. Can hardly wait to hear it run.
This is what happens when Marty shelters in place.
Coming along very nice.
Several items that will go into this build ; id plates, stickers, emblems,
dig the 91 octane sticker . The door jamb plate will be stamped L 908 (Grand Prix white), and also with the assembly # from the original rear trunk floor stamp #.
The stamped # in rear trunk floor assembly was carefully saved during the metal surgery on 9148gtt; then welded back into place in the rear trunk area. Small details are big deals on our build !
Now that's what I'm talking about... Now you have put another smile on my face. I have no idea when I will be able to get back out to LA , you know Marty, I used to drool all over a sexy black teener with a horizontal fan. Then I find the same guy with a VW van with a 3.2 in it at Pomona. The headers on AR 14 I got from Marty in 05. Don't forget that he also built turbo kits for the 914's in the '70's. Now I believe that he and his son are building the cleanest, badass 914 in existence (IMHO).
I'm building a car out in left field, yes unique and quiet imaginative but my finish is mediocre.
Marty's products are AWESOME... I can't wait to see all the horses in this stable together ❤️.
The Saturn V rocket build of the 914 world.
Awesome Marty!
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Damn that is looking sweet! I cannot wait to hear you fire that up
As we are now with wheels + tires, today setting the total "Droop stop" limit of JRZ shock travel. We have 9" ram extension length on the Genesis air-jacks.
...apply about 100 psi of air (or nitrogen) for activation = aOK .
Def keep all fingers away from these bad boys
There goes another smile on my face... Marty, I am coming to the Black and White Show.
Maybe I can bring AR 14 out and do A/X with the PCA OCR at the same time or something else just as eventful... You have much more work to do than I do. Probably going to take me more than a year but you'll be done first.
Schriftzug on the grills, but will probably be placed elsewhere on the build
Pipe dreams = reality...
Driver's side header prototype, 1.75" od primaries
Lookin' back at it
..............trunk full of SNAKES.
I wonder if Marty knows how to build an exhaust system?
Feelin' the need to do some hand-punching on the paint-code plate with the number set today. While on an essential trip out of the house, hit my fave sugary spot in Inglewood "Randy's " ...thought this would give me the correct hammer control Came out more like my first day as a Gastarbeiter on the assembly line
Well...it's going to hide in a little spot in a forward door jamb, so here it be ;
Feeling a little "Pinned In" this week , so finalized the measurments for the secondary hood pins. These are only 7/16" dia pins (normally 1/2") and sourced from Pegasus
A little too much "Droop" in the rear JRZ shock assemblies, so a bit of time spent down at ERP suspension. We took 1.75" out of the equation, so this allows the air-jacks to operate at max, and the rear tires now clear the tarmac. Fronts were spot on--no changes needed.
JRZ rear suspension now corrected at "Full-droop" , allowing just enough tire clearance-to-lower lip of quarter panel for tire changing during air-jack activation
The open space just above the 4x4 and .375" alum bar, is the tire-to- ground gap, which allows for tire changing when the air-jacks activate at 9" ram stroke.
New combination Trans vent/ fill plug for the top of the inverted 996gt2 trans
Header primaries 1.75" od x .125" ga. mandrel bending completed today. Precise assembly fixtures are the key in making the fitment to the Cayenne v8 engine 100% right on
After the primaries are completed, the secondary portion of our exhaust system including all of the turbo, wastegate, and exit piping will follow in various sizes; ranging up to 3" od . Everything x 2, (left + right sides) as this is a twin (biturbo) system
Shorty turbo headers in the finishing phase, then off for black ceramic coating. A few extra sets built for spares ¡
I dig it.
Great idea on that fixture for the exhaust.
Can Marty make an exhaust system or not WOW ! Nice
Hello world,
Wanted to share with you some various updates & what we've been up to.
Finally installed the Auto Atlanta tail light buckets & smoked lenses. They really tie in well with the white & black theme of the car.
After some finessing of the Sheridan (914 Rubber?) tail light areas of the fenders, they popped right in.
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We threw the rear bumper on just to see the car somewhat more complete. Soon enough.. soon enough..
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The amazing grill work Marty has been working on for some time now. As you can tell with most of this build, we're trying to remain as "914" as possible. This GT - esque grill was originally 2 separate grills. Almost time for paint!
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Marty has also been hard at work building the shorty headers w/ V band clamps for the Cayenne TT block. Once finalized, they'll be off for black ceramic coating, and we'll move on to the remaining portions of the exhaust.
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Gotta represent!
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Damn!!!!
Serious question. Is that a machine weld on the 45 deg tube to the 90deg tube?
Damn! Those are some quality welds, especially if done by hand. Been way too long since I've spent serious time with the welder in hand. On my best day, I maybe, occasionally, laid down a bead that was that nice. Today? Its not pretty.
Ummm, your intake is not going to fit under the deck lid...
Please tell me you're having another "It's all stock, trust me" plate frame made?
This project is amazing…so cool to see it coming together.
Is the black coating color an esthetic or performance choise?
PORSCHE !
scripted in (my best caligraphy attempt) Japanese. I knew lots of guys that had speed shops all around my Rosemead Blvd fabrication biz, 1985-1999. They just called my black 914 "Cool old school" . None of the guys knew what a Porsche 914 was, let alone one that could out thrust any of their Pocket Rocket Hondas, Nissans or Mitsu's
I had completely forgotten about this build......maybe it had something to do with a different 914 with the number 40 on the sides?
Damn, that thing looks lethal.
Just went through the entire thread again... my wife’s jealous that I don’t look at her the way I look at this car haha
Sway-Away custom 300m alloy axles have come in...time to join these up with the CV's !
21 1/16" is the length end to end
The engineers over at Sway-Away use this slightly larger bump in shaft diameter, helps out with extra strength in high HP applications.
These are also floating style axles, with longer (than OE) dimension splines.
Hello world,
Wanted to share some more progress with you all.
The SQS sequential shifter adapter has now been mated to the transaxle. Next step is adjusting & placement of the 2 shift actuator rods.
Also diving into the SQS module for gear selector circuit & gear display which will mount where the OE 914 battery used to sit. A handy 6-gang fuse box is also on the bracket. We will also use this fuse box for standard things like tail-lights, reverse lights, etc.
The custom manufactured length shift cable is approx 100", the SQS cable that came in the box was originally meant for a 996, and way too short for mid-engine use. We slipped the new cable through Goodridge fire-sleeve, keeping it safer as it will weave through a pretty hot environment!
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I just love this build!
I'm kind of baffled on the way these plexi (Perfomance4Plastic, UK) 914 slider windows appear. On most racecars I've seen in the last 5 decades, the slider moves rearward so the opening faces forward in the window; these are made with the slider that moves forward so the opening is in the rear of the window ...And
Check out the curved contour cut at the bottom-rear of the window (see pointer) I couldn't find any early or late 914 window diagrams that indicate a cut-out like this (just a slight diagonal). No matter, as I'll be trimming most of the Below the Sill plexi in order to clear the side safety bars. I'll run these over to the shop today and test fit...I might need to get happy with these; although great QC in their product an order takes approx 4 months .What do you racers think on the positioning of these sliders ¿
Another slider window assembly on their (P4P) website; the F40 showing the window opening in the way I'm familiar of seeing
Now that's a proper answer !
Those axles have some sex appeal to them, beautiful parts!
Added a few items , and fished a couple of SQS control wires through the Goodridge fire-sleeve
SQS shift-solenoid module...as it comes out of the box , before modifying the counterweight for (mid engine) trans mount clearance
New arrival: GlowShift (brand) dual egt pyrometer, we can monitor both Left and Right bank exhaust temps at a glance
Daily grind...several steps in getting the flange surfaces flat
Some small details this week...finalized the SQS cable shifter in the cabin and at the transaxle, now on to filling the trans with 6L of Mobil ptx. The shift action is smooth as butter and only a 1" throw; upshift or downshift.
Pyrometer and Wideband o2 ports added to the shorty turbo headers
Air-jack attachment plates: Left rear/ Right rear/ forward Cabin, back from the powder painter. I like this hue aginst the GP white unibody
Quick O/T proj this week...while at the Laser Cutting shop; had this fresh 2-piece sump cover plate made for the driveway, winter season might bring Cali some rain
One step closer.
Getting serious when you start adding fluids.
This phase of the 8gtt assembly deals with many items that we have already built early on and put aside until needed; the trans oil needs to be filled, as we wouldn't want to test shift the gearbox (while setting the SQS shift rods) if dry. Building the full Haltech management wiring harness was a 6 week project...but can now be dropped into the car in a few hours. I jump around different areas of the build, depending on the amount of time that I can spend on it...otherwise working on customer orders in the shop
Thanks for dropping by the shop today, Latigokid !
Enjoy your new set of MSDS T4 race exhaust headers !
https://ibb.co/X2qb4LB
Of course, we had to put in some hours on the build..
https://ibb.co/ph40ww4
For those who need to see the inside of the gt2 trans this is the spring-loaded selector which has 3 positions; at rest= neutral, up= 1,3,5,R and down= 2,4,6
These cool polycarbonate vent windows just in, has a small Pop out vent- disc: use as a vent or spin around and use as an air scoop, or just snap down and close. "Performance4Plastics", UK
Very cool Marty!
Always great to see new pieces!
Houston. We've got shifting. Sequential shifting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW7yCSh4-mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53x2lUFkdJk
Jesus, that is so freakin' cool.
I don't know... seems kinds shifty to me.
Of course you know I think that is too f-ing, epically, spectacularly cool.
Form and function. I'm so envious!
Wow, that is awesome.
The stuff of sequential dreams . . . please keep the videos coming!
That's some positive shifting...should cut down on nicking the corners from 3rd to 4th
A couple of SQS control wires, and a 9-lead connector cable, easily pulled through. Still have more room in the Snorkel; keeping some OG style in the engine bay
The exposed tunnel makes our wiring & cable routing easier !
Aviaid Oil Systems is finishing up our 3 gallon dry sump tank; also using their in-tank oil heater, breather/ catch can, and filter stand.
Impressed with their QC !
Locating brackets, and clearance areas for #12 oil cooler lines in the quarter panels
Our friends Sung Kang and Erick (engine builder +tuner) dropped in for a look at the 8gtt progress. Sung is building a big displacement 6 cyl 240Z, and we are supplying various exhaust header components for their R+D. Sung also drives a 914/sb chev powered hot rod, I believe he toured with the last WCC
This build is amazing. Should be a sticky!!!
New product from California Motorsports: billet drive-flanges for the GT-2 transaxle; just a bit more insurance for our drive train
Sourced some cool weatherstrips for filling the gap on the custom engine grills; 1 piece at the targa window edge, and 1 at the grill edge
Fitment on to the grill, it's all about representing the 914 '70's Style
Your fabrication is pure Art, outstanding !
Making custom brackets to hold the Aviaid 12 quart oil tank in its new home
More main chassis wiring, this 8-gang cable will serve the rear tail lamp housings, trans temp + water temp gauges, low O/P warning light (big red one)
Nice Oil tank location, cool that you have room to put it there, I'd imagine there's a lot less plumbing that way
Keep it coming!
Amazing work there Marty. You certainly have set the bar very high!! By the way, where did you source the expanded metal. The one I've been able to source looks like yours but it appears to be a lighter gauge.
Very helpful when suited up with Hans Device and backing up; and as a big screen rear view mirror !
Man this car looks so trick, everything is how Porsche would have done it. I love it! That rear view camera is going to be so useful. How big is the screen for it? Thanks by the way on that expanded metal. I'll have to source it differently since I need quite a bit of it.
Made these quick-release connection circuits for the rear tail-lamp housings. Since the Left and Right housings are removed whenever the quarter panels are R+R, this system is way quicker than messing with 10 push-on connections. Yes this car comes with a new color coded schematic, several of them
Small but major issue with the spec-mfg C/V boot -flange and 10mm bolts; just not made right ! The dia of the boot "Seat" where the clamp pulls the boot tight, is so tall that the bolts get canted...so one can not work the bolts into the joints. Even worse deflection when the clamp is installed.
Then using a small piece of 2 ¹/²" c/r .065" tubing, swedged to slip into the c/v boot flange, place the rings on the opposite ends for a New clamping area, =straighter shot for the bolts
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Just need to finish welding these components together, coat and get back to fitting the 300M Sway-Away axles to the rocket. Bolts are happy and can enter horizontally/ non binding
More wiring/ more Firesleeve, just about everything running through the mid and rear area of this build will need good protection...hotter than Mrs. Fields cookie kitchen
Wow just wow..........Man the level of craftmanship here is way up there! Beautiful, beautiful work.
Going to use this Gen-2 style; made from sched 40 2 1/2" pipe
A little throw back to my days spent down at Lions Dragstrip. This fender cover has been on all of my proj's, since Nov. '71. It was the "Doorprize " for my run that Sunday morning !
Was totally worth the learning curve on that SBC 350 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14748 , the Traco guys welcomed local gearheads to share knowledge with; at the rear roll up door on Jefferson Bl. usually with an engine on the dyno at full song. Their immense back parking lot shared parking with the "Suits" from Hughes Aerospace (just up the hill)...and Travis + Coons were friends with all of those "Pocket Protector" dudes as well.
At my 1971 pay scale of $1.85/ hr., here I am with my prized Craftsman torque wrench !!
After the heads went back on, the following Sunday at Lions in eliminations, I took out a 12 car group of Z28's from San Diego
Fenton mags on the car at this period @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=5176
Last of my Camaro thread hi-jack...
Traco built the TransAm engines for Roger Penske (Javelins + Camaros) so I embarked on building a Street tribute to Sunoco Camaro chassis #9908H046
(Sold for approx $1M in 2016).
I sketched out this thumbnail sheet in late '73, but the project never got rolling. Around New Years Eve '74, I lost the Camaro in an understeer slide in Laurel Canyon and she never tracked the same since the impact. My neighbor loved the car and off it went; I took delivery on a new 914/ 2.0 in February '74.
Great build thread - I recall seeing this car at Monterey Historic races several years ago
New Year's Eve, time for one more sketch; rear trunk area. Several things going on, hope y'all can read my chicken scratches ! Most of these components have already been sourced...the intercooler dimensions will be determined (then custom built) once the final placement of the turbos are sitting in place.
In the last few months we've been making + routing the custom wiring harness throughout the car.
Have a great and Happy New Year everyone !
Marty & Matthew
Thanks for the update! Been awhile. I've been checking a couple times a week. Either you need to update more often or I need to get a life. lol. Can't wait to see some new pics.
Wiring a car def not boring, but Yes lots of time on target !
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The car is looking great! It looks like it's getting sooooo close to being done. I can't wait. Thanks for the pics.
I love watching this build. All the best for 2022!
Konrad
It's still a little surprising to see the V8 essentially fit in the same space as the flat 4. It doesn't even look like the motor is crammed up against the firewall or the transaxle is moved back to make more room for the motor.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=25173 Yes it is a tight fit in there, we worked with our friends Aasco in OC, Calif for the mating of Transaxle + engine. They came up with the billet 19mm thick adapter plate, which didn't cause much loss of space (towards rear of trunk). They also engineered the clutch pack and hydraulic T/O/B. There will still be some angle to the cv's, but we have sourced spec built joints + axles to deal with that.
WOW Marty looking amazing!!! That thing is going to be brutal. Twin Turbo V8 damn!!!
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=25173 the c/v joint lube that we are using is Dupont Krytox...and operates between -34° to 288°c., also resistant to "Caking up". Our 300m alloy axles are mfg without the inner-bump (as o.e.) which allow the axles the ability to free float. Also at the end (clip area) we are not use standard Circlip.
Instead we use the (SwayAway) provided Spiral clip.
Given the operating angles we will encounter, plunging c/v's at both ends. Full suspension drop has the rear axle "Droop" at minimum...no where near a standard (long travel) 914 suspension. The drop is just enough to remove tires when up on the airjacks. JRZ makes these Limit adjustments internally in their (nitrogen) shocks.
Have you used Krytox before as CV lube? Just wondering. I’m a huge fan of the stuff (I used to have a free supply of ‘expired’ Krytox courtesy of NASA regulations) and have used it everywhere from skateboard bearings to pipe threads to bike bottom brackets, but never thought above CVs.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1659 Jim, yes I was informed of this lubricant by 2 of the race shops I've been associated with. They found out about it through their Indy car friends, and use it for their Porsche IMSA clients c/v joints. Yes it is Mil-Spec and pricey...good that you can get it (out of date) cheap ! For us car guys >>just keep it capped up tight, it lasts a long time.
Marty
That's pretty cool!
A tube does go a long way.
Thanks. I didn't even see that one in my research. There are too many. But judging by prices, that little tub must be $$$$$.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1143 I'll shoot you a PM this weekend !
While I've been pulling wires + cables, these are the 2 pressure switches (lower) for Low o/p Big Red light; the other (upper) for Fasten seat belt light...which starts illuminating at 7 psi boost.
Low o/p Red light (gear selection indicator just opposite), and Fasten seat belt light in the stock location
Cllasshttps://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/teefitting2.php build.. those ??
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/teefitting2.php
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2744 I keep a good assortment of weatherhead brass 1/8", 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" npt fittings (and flare end) here at the shop for all sorts of air, hydraulic, repairs and projects.
Also have several mfg shops within 4 miles of the shop for all sorts of custom made lines: fluids, hydraulics, or air pressure.
Thx for the linky link !
I like the Cayenne engine but I think this engine would be even better.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-mclaren-mp4-2-porsche-tag-f1-engine
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=5245 these folks "Lanzante Limited" already have the McLaren engines stuffed into their small production of the Niki Lauda tribute 930's...but you're correct Very Cool !
Lanzante Limited exhibit parked directly across from the MSDS / 9148gtt tent at the last Rennsport Reunion 2018.
Did you check these out @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=5245 while you were there ¿
Looks like there's another engine available for them:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44237/buy-this-1060-hp-porsche-f1-engine-for-your-holy-grail-swap-project
Low o/p Light sending unit fits snug, right under the left corner of engine compartment
Me too...the work is on another level of course but I am truly thankful for all of the posting...your development work and just a ton of ideas are so cool!
Regards, Grant
Thank you guys @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10455 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=9712 for the good words, this is a fun proj !!
Marty
Left and right side oil cooler support brackets in the making
Slipping on the CV boots on to the sway-away axles are a bit of a grunt, so I implemented a few tricks;
a bit of contractors tape covering the sharp splines, well greased
For the "Push + Twist" a small piece of 10 ga. Insulsted stranded wire (used in construction wiring) coiled around and inserted over the last 2 bellows on the boot. Good point of persuasion & no collapsing (or damage) of the rubber. Note discoloration on the bellows are not cracks...just the mfg "Wax" coming off.
Cool tricks.
The bigger sending unit will serve the analogue VDO o/p gauge. The Haltech Elite mgmt does have an o/p readout that is on the Racetech IQ3 dash...however I do like a quick glance at an old school gauge
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What are these bolts for? I've never seen a set up like that.
Thanks!
Guessing for ease of access to the drivetrain? Removal and reinstall?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=5610 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=15610 when we took our LBP engine measurements directly off of their built Cayenne v8 engines in their shop, the specs were based on their (flush) c/f cam housing covers [see yellow dots]. The absence of variable cam timing in their Daytona-spec engines was dictated by GCR's of 2010, so they didn't use the OE alum housings (with a bump-out contour). Our engine also features non-vario cam, but they just deactivate and lock them down during the engine build. When our engine shipment arrived we then found out that we didn't get the (very cool) c/f cam covers...but already built the interior cage to the specs of the flush c/f covers = interference once we tried to land the engine in there.
So we re-engineered, newly mandrel formed, then tiG'd the new bolt-in portion of the cage (at the firewall)...which will allow us more access to service the engine.
LBP v8 engine that was built for us arrived with these OE style cam cover housings. Yellow dots show the difference (from prev post) now with extra protrusions (vario cam style), that we had to deal with...redesigning a portion of the cage.
That engine is one slick looking piece of hardware. Love the engineering in this build been watching since inception.
thank you @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=15610 !
The "7psi boost" Fasten seat belt pressure switch bolted into the engine bay
Setting up the "Phasing" of the 930 cv joints + Swayaway axles prior to installing them. A piece of .125 × 1" flatbar alum is the donor straight edge for the job. I use 1 gold dot= to indicate narrow area of the (inner) joint / 2 gold dots= wider area.
The "how" is pretty obvious. When you assemble the CV joints, you mark the outside where the wider and narrower gaps in the inner race. Then when you slide the joint onto the splines on the shaft, you make sure they are lined up so that the one side wide gap lines up with the other side's narrow gap.
As to "why", that I don't know. I speculate that it's a vibration-elimination kind of thing, like phasing the U-joints on a driveshaft. But CV joints aren't supposed to need that--it's one of the reasons for using CV joints, after all.
What's the real reason, Marty?
--DD
Are these the narrow and wide gaps you're referring to?
or these? which essentially is the same thing as long they're opposite each other I guess.
I went back through this build thread again looking for pics of the pedals you're using, but couldn't find anything. Did I miss it or have you not posted anything on that yet? Just curious what pedal setup and master cylinders you're using. Not boosted I assume?
Cool. Nice setup. This has been my favorite build since discovering it a few years ago. It's looking awesome, can't wait to see it with wheels and tires at ride height. It's going to look freakin amazing! Thanks for sharing!
The new (custom hand made) main vehicle electrical harness is about ½ way wired. Haltech Elite 2500 ecu/mgmt harness is done and its installation will follow up after this is done.
Non stop wiring...so this is small bracket that I came up with; keeps the crank trigger (small white) coax cable from running up into the alternator pulley/or belt. The #16 Goodridge firesleeve contains: the trigger cable, a couple grounds, the B+ charging cable* from alt to battery.
*B+ using a HD silicon insulated cable combined with another anti chaffe insulater inside the Goodridge...gotta be safe !
When you say trigger wire, is that for the alternator or crank?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18779 crank trigger, follow the white cable
Some times high current wires like the main alternator wire can mess with the crank signal. Im not an expert, but i think a lot of times the cam and crank sort of get their own harness to prevent interference.
So long as the sensors run shielded cable, properly grounded, they should be good in terms of draining any noise. I can't read the product lableing on that white wire (other than "Made in USA") but it certainly looks like the proper stuff. I'm betting Marty has this covered...
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19241 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18779 thanks for looking out for me...good to have the "World's eyes" here for constructive critique !
Yes the coax shielding on the Haltech Elite (white trigger cable) is grounded at both ends of its run + I'll also check in with their tech nearby in Lake Forest.
If needed this small 18" run can be pulled out of the firesleeve in a minute + run independent
You only want it grounded at one end. In my application, there's a pin in the ECU for all sensor grounds. Good move to verify with your ECU mfg it's set up correctly.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14834 I'll be back under 8gtt and check the ID stamps on the springs, then decode with H+R = the spring rates. There is a main, and a smaller spring (stacked together) on each JRZ rear shock.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14834
Springs are Eibach / supplied by Tarett Engineering
Rear rate: 450 lbs each
Front rate: 350 lbs each
Small black assist Springs = no spring rating value
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Here's the inventory* on the Tilton foot-pedal equip. It's all floor mount and I've made a few changes to the uneven 914 floorboard= will make for a better install/ operation. Not a vac boosted brake system.
The 3 different size (bores) master cylinders are matched for the requirements of the brakes; Front (6 piston), Rear (4 piston), and clutch.
*Pegasus Racing is my go to place*
So it's on the To-Do list...but all sourced !
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Will you be using a throttle cable or DBW? If DBW, what APP sensor are you using?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=25173 the accelerator assembly to the throttle bellcrank is mechanical; using a custom mfg cable by "Cable Control Co.", Santa Fe Springs, CA.
They also made my custom length SQS shifter cable.
Moving into the forced induction segment of this build, just received the shorty headers back from Ceramic shop; we are using hi-temp satin black coatings on the entire exhaust system.
Both left and right sides header collectors have an O2 and egt port.
Gathering several misc items needed for prototype locations of the Garrett turbos
914 firewall wiring Snorkel is a great fit into the Goodridge fire-sleeve, and something else we're fitting into this build "Old Skool style" 914 parts.
It's very accommodating and we can fit lots of wires + one 8- piece (14ga.) insulated cable in there ! This particular electrical run spans from the dashboard, pedals (floor area), and center console to the rear of the trunk area.
Onward to the transaxle nosecone, wiring for the Reverse light sending-switch in the (narrow dia) Goodridge fire sleeve now complete.
That super clean transaxle reminds me of a problem I'm having restoring a transaxle to presentable condition. The corrosion/oxidation is really tough to get rid of. Any suggestions? I don't want it to be polished or smooth, i just want it to be clean. Maybe painting is the best way to go.
I find these long-term build threads (just today new posts in 3 different threads that are over a decade old!) to be equal parts inspiring and disheartening.
Thanks, I'll contact them. You're right, they probably know every trick there is.
Not going to be long now...excited to see video of this absolute beauty running and driving.
Left-side rear wiring ; black (8 wire) cable will finish up making a U turn heading back to the engine bay.
The last available wires will run to Coolant temp/ engine oil temp/ trans oil temp.
Interior multi-wire cable now totally supplying circuits to left, center, and right sides of the engine bay. 12v Coolant pump for the transaxle cooler will be on a manual switched circuit, not triggered by the oe temp switch.
OE temp switch is being replaced by a VDO oil temp sender + gauge for monitoring trans temp.
Longtime POC friend Art Zaph stopping in to see what's up, he daily drives a Cayman R these days.
Art recently sold off his 9146 electrical-schematic biz, and is enjoying retirement !
Damn, that's a great angle of the car. Reminds me of Kim Kardashian for some reason. Can't wait to see it on the ground with wheels and tires.
Still having lots of fun pulling wires through Goodridge fire-sleeve. Customized end on one side mates to a curved split-wire sleeve. I found a very special roll of "Aero grade" aluminum tape in the toolbox to join the 2 together.
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A Naval Air friend gave me this surplus roll of Lamart 3-mil aluminum Aero tape. He used it during temporary repairs on the birds, just to keep out debris.
Looking good! Keep working and keep the updates coming. Please. lol
Very excited to hear it run
I never walk by this proj in the shop and Don't tinker with this or that. This connection is for the Cartek l-e-d rain-light...also wired with a couple of quick-disconnects.
The livery for 8gtt has been voted on by us 3; @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14843 and Mrs. Falcon say "Go with a 21st Century rendition of Sonauto #40".
Me...I'd like to keep sketching, but majority rules
In any event, we're also collaborating with various Wrap guys for their ideas.
Laying out some real estate in the rear "Trunk" area; which will have a big intercooler , two wastegate exhaust pipes, 2 heat-bonnets (over the Garretts), 4 hood pins...so before I start sawing out the Sheridan trunk lid for all of these contour-cuts, it's good to have a quick look see at the basic layout.
Note: these are not the pipes I'll be using as they're much too tall, just some 2"od slash-cut exhaust tips for another product laying around.
10 years since you started this thread. Man how time fly’s.
My all time favorite build …
Our good friend Harry Wong (center) known here as 914six, came by to visit the build-in-progress a couple of weeks ago. Last week Harry suddenly took ill, had a stroke and passed the next day*
I've known Harry since 1983, where we met at the (night time) monumental Last Drag Race at OCIR...which was demo'd the following week. In the foreground of this pic is our mutual friend Alex Wong, owner of Pre-Tech independent Porsche service in Marina del Rey.
*If you are a local in SoCal, and would like to attend his services on 05.09.23, pm me for details ; Forest Lawn, Glendale.
RIP
Another young one...
Those who have driving 914s, enjoy them everyday!
Sorry to hear this. Thanks for sharing and celebrating a member.
Very sad to hear the news. Condolences to the family
Small 6-gang fuse & SQS shifter-module sub-panel in engine ; this was the prev 12v battery area.
Top view, quick-disconnect is to isolate the SQS shift-module from B+ during jump starting (if needed).
RIP Mr. Harry Wong.
I'm sorry Marty, that is a bummer...RIP The car looks great.
Just buried my Dad in December from the freakin same thing. But he was 95. It's insidious, talk to your doctors, my Dad had his first stroke at 75 and spent the next 20 years all stroked out.
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