Printable Version of Topic
Click here to view this topic in its original format
914World.com _ 914World Garage _ my surface rust only ebay 73 2.0 follow up
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 10:13 AM
well so I have dug around in the longs and the hellhole and my body guy and myself feel to make her perfect its gonna be 12k including all welding and beautiful paint. you can see photos if you check my other posts. she is a very original un-tampered with 73 2.0 so seems a great donor BUT they guy on ebay 'porsche-doctor' ripped me off on her at 7500. SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
Posted by: billh1963 Apr 25 2013, 11:06 AM
well so I have dug around in the longs and the hellhole and my body guy and myself feel to make her perfect its gonna be 12k including all welding and beautiful paint. you can see photos if you check my other posts. she is a very original un-tampered with 73 2.0 so seems a great donor BUT they guy on ebay 'porsche-doctor' ripped me off on her at 7500. SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
You are into it now. Spend the money and you will have $20K into the car and have one of the most desireable 914/4's that may eventually catch up in value to what you have in it. In the interim you will have a car you can enjoy every day. You will also know that the car has been done right and know everything about it.
Sell the car and take the $4K to $4.5K hit and you'll be sans car and sans money.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2013, 11:36 AM
Who is your body guy?
Posted by: billh1963 Apr 25 2013, 11:46 AM
Who is your body guy?
$12K is pretty damn close for the rust that car is showing!
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 11:47 AM
Who is your body guy?
lol well one is named andy, the welder larry ( :
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 11:50 AM
Who is your body guy?
$12K is pretty damn close for the rust that car is showing!
yea I think the quote actually pretty solid---andy schank in richmond hes a big alfa guy
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 12:03 PM
well so I have dug around in the longs and the hellhole and my body guy and myself feel to make her perfect its gonna be 12k including all welding and beautiful paint. you can see photos if you check my other posts. she is a very original un-tampered with 73 2.0 so seems a great donor BUT they guy on ebay 'porsche-doctor' ripped me off on her at 7500. SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
You are into it now. Spend the money and you will have $20K into the car and have one of the most desireable 914/4's that may eventually catch up in value to what you have in it. In the interim you will have a car you can enjoy every day. You will also know that the car has been done right and know everything about it.
Sell the car and take the $4K to $4.5K hit and you'll be sans car and sans money.
yea I am leaning towards keeping...
Posted by: hydroliftin Apr 25 2013, 01:18 PM
SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
I am sorry to hear that the car was not as expected. What was eBay able to do with their buyer protection on car purchases? Why can't you just get the purchase price back and have the seller pick it up?'
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2013, 01:23 PM
"they guy on ebay 'porsche-doctor' ripped me off"
![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Posted by: brant Apr 25 2013, 01:23 PM
I agree with fighting for a return
even if you loose the shipping costs, you get most of your money back to find one without rust.....
and always pull the rocker covers on any car you buy... always...
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 25 2013, 01:49 PM
Every purchase should be contngent on a pre-purchase inspection conducted by an independent professional not connected with the seller, or other owner/forum member with plenty of experience working on 914s.
Posted by: biosurfer1 Apr 25 2013, 02:03 PM
I am always amused with the people who say "get your money back from eBay"...if anyone really knew what they actually "protect" against, you would see it isn't a protection at all.
It basically protects the buyer from paying for a Ferrari and getting a box of dirt in the mail.
Posted by: brant Apr 25 2013, 02:07 PM
I am always amused with the people who say "get your money back from eBay"...if anyone really knew what they actually "protect" against, you would see it isn't a protection at all.
It basically protects the buyer from paying for a Ferrari and getting a box of dirt in the mail.
fair enough
I'm sorry that isn't a realistic option
Posted by: biosurfer1 Apr 25 2013, 02:17 PM
That wasn't a shot at you brant, just misdirected frustration with eBay's BS policy. As I get bitter in my old age, blatant lies from companies get to me more and more. Really need to learn to let them go 
I am always amused with the people who say "get your money back from eBay"...if anyone really knew what they actually "protect" against, you would see it isn't a protection at all.
It basically protects the buyer from paying for a Ferrari and getting a box of dirt in the mail.
fair enough
I'm sorry that isn't a realistic option
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2013, 02:31 PM
I fail to see why eBay should be responsible for misrepresented items.
The *seller* is the one who should be held responsible!
eBay just provides a place for people to buy and sell.
Saying eBay should pay is like saying the state should be paying for your car accident because they provided the street you drove on.
Posted by: billh1963 Apr 25 2013, 02:34 PM
As one who has a bought and sold several cars on ebay I can tell you that unless there is a title issue (stolen, falsified title, etc.) you are out of luck.
Ebay has no teeth. How are they going to get money back from a seller? It's not going to happen. Ebay is like craigslist or anything else...caveat emptor
I feel bad for the buyer. He got royally screwed. That being said, if the car is the color he likes, is a good running '73 appearance group car, etc. then at least he has a foundation to start with. He can build a nice car out of this with time and $$. In the end, it may be a worthwhile project if he keeps it a few years.
Posted by: biosurfer1 Apr 25 2013, 03:00 PM
I would agree Andy except that eBay put that protection in place to falsely give reassurance that its safe to buy vehicles on eBay.
I understand that it's buyer beware and its up to them to know what they are getting into but I don't think it's right that instead of eBay stating that, they try to mask it by pretending they are there to help the buyers.
I fail to see why eBay should be responsible for misrepresented items.
The *seller* is the one who should be held responsible!
eBay just provides a place for people to buy and sell.
Saying eBay should pay is like saying the state should be paying for your car accident because they provided the street you drove on.
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 03:45 PM
SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
I am sorry to hear that the car was not as expected. What was eBay able to do with their buyer protection on car purchases? Why can't you just get the purchase price back and have the seller pick it up?'
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 03:46 PM
I am always amused with the people who say "get your money back from eBay"...if anyone really knew what they actually "protect" against, you would see it isn't a protection at all.
It basically protects the buyer from paying for a Ferrari and getting a box of dirt in the mail.
YES THIS IS TRUE!!! if you comb through the fine print they are not protecting you AT ALL
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 03:48 PM
I fail to see why eBay should be responsible for misrepresented items.
The *seller* is the one who should be held responsible!
eBay just provides a place for people to buy and sell.
Saying eBay should pay is like saying the state should be paying for your car accident because they provided the street you drove on.
true, but they should force a return sale from the liar
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 03:49 PM
I would agree Andy except that eBay put that protection in place to falsely give reassurance that its safe to buy vehicles on eBay.
I understand that it's buyer beware and its up to them to know what they are getting into but I don't think it's right that instead of eBay stating that, they try to mask it by pretending they are there to help the buyers.
I fail to see why eBay should be responsible for misrepresented items.
The *seller* is the one who should be held responsible!
eBay just provides a place for people to buy and sell.
Saying eBay should pay is like saying the state should be paying for your car accident because they provided the street you drove on.
well said
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 03:51 PM
well my body guy has decided not to take on the project, so I will sell it at a loss and move on. it is a complete original 73 2.0 so Ill post it here.
other problem is i have thousands in parts ready to go on it---pimped out 16x6 fuchs, full powdercoated 911 suspension, with full 5 lug conversion etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
lesson learned, i will never buy another ebay car, at least not sight un seen in person
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 25 2013, 03:57 PM
SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
I am sorry to hear that the car was not as expected. What was eBay able to do with their buyer protection on car purchases? Why can't you just get the purchase price back and have the seller pick it up?'
Really that doesn't surprise me at all, here in Canada you don't have a leg to stand on, it is totally the buyers responsibly to know what they are buying and to have it inspected. (The exception is if you are buying a car from a dealer.)
I had a guy buy a total POS vert bug ($10K) the engine blew the same week and he brought it to me. I told him it was a rusted POS and only worth $1500 at best as a parts car. I also told him I would build him an engine, but I wouldn't install it.
He was pissed took the seller to court...and lost.
Then he went and died and I was stuck with the POS in my drive for 2 years.... another story
In the end the guy's son sold it for $1000 as a parts car.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2013, 03:58 PM
I fail to see why eBay should be responsible for misrepresented items.
The *seller* is the one who should be held responsible!
eBay just provides a place for people to buy and sell.
Saying eBay should pay is like saying the state should be paying for your car accident because they provided the street you drove on.
true, but they should force a return sale from the liar
I'll try one more time ...
Nobody here has ever bought anything *from* eBay. You bought a car *through* eBay. Not the same ...
If you go to your local Saturday morning farmers market and you buy a unopened box of tomatoes from a vendor and you don't inspect them until you get home and then you find they're all rotten, do you then immediately go to city hall to try to get your money back from the city?
Because in the example above, city hall is just like eBay, they provide the marketplace for vendors and customers.
Displacing blame and responsibility onto eBay will not get you anywhere.
Instead, you should be going after the vendor who screwed you.
Posted by: mepstein Apr 25 2013, 04:08 PM
Decide what is your comfort level for loss and take extra precautions above that level. If I was buying a 914, I would go to see the car in person if over $2k. Under $2K, I will trust pictures, Under $200, I just need an adress to pick up.
Posted by: 76-914 Apr 25 2013, 04:39 PM
Bill makes a good point about continuing with repairs, (and yes, I saw where your guy backed out). From Bills point of view; if this is a car that you love what would it cost in today's $$ to buy something close to it. 20K would be a steal. Plus knowing that the rust bug was put to sleep and you now have a nice car. My 2 cents; get a roller and transfer over you newly purchased bling along with the desirable parts from old Rusty. I saw one between Homeland and Hemet that appeared very nice in the jack points as well as other places I could see. Couldn't disassemble it on the side of the road. His $ was 3500.00 but I bet you could get chisel him down to 2k or less. Point is that you can pick up a nice roller in SoCal and transfer your goodies to it in a few weekends. BTW, the seller isn't a member here, is he?
Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 25 2013, 04:43 PM
I feel sorry that you were taken advantage of. I'm still waiting to see who the Porsche Doctor was who sold it??
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2013, 04:44 PM
Contact McMark at Original Customs, he's semi local (Sonoma) and very handy with sheet metal.
http://www.originalcustoms.com/
Posted by: carr914 Apr 25 2013, 05:00 PM
well so I have dug around in the longs and the hellhole and my body guy and myself feel to make her perfect its gonna be 12k including all welding and beautiful paint. you can see photos if you check my other posts. she is a very original un-tampered with 73 2.0 so seems a great donor BUT they guy on ebay 'porsche-doctor' ripped me off on her at 7500. SO not sure to go ahead and bite the bullet OR try to sell her to someone who needs a complete, original, excellent driving 73 for a big loss maybe i can get 3500?
In the interim you will have a car you can enjoy every day.
The Problem there is - That Interim will be spent in a Body Shop for a Term of 18 Months
Posted by: carr914 Apr 25 2013, 05:03 PM
Contact McMark at Original Customs, he's semi local (Sonoma) and very handy with sheet metal.
http://www.originalcustoms.com/
Posted by: bandjoey Apr 25 2013, 05:13 PM
Sounds like you're a good shade tree mechanic, if you planned to change the suspension etc etc. It's not hard to be a shade tree welder. Harbor Freight for a couple hundred have the welding tools. Google how to weld and watch a dozen videos, practice and then call Restoration Design for the preformed metal. If you can give up the summer to have a super fun car....go for it.
Give us the right pictures and we'll give you the how to! Look at the restoration threads and see what everyone has done in your case. You can see the repair done before you ever start.
Can we see the bad? and Good Luck
Posted by: dpires914 Apr 25 2013, 05:38 PM
Ebay listing for item # 140918134363
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-S-GROUP-PORSCHE-914-2-0-/140918134363?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20cf60165b#v4-40
Adiokyro's other post
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=207510&hl=
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. It happened to me when I bought my first one and before I knew where to look.
Can't you shop around for other quotes?
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 25 2013, 06:03 PM
I see nothing in the ad to indicate that the seller falsified any information. The car was being sold as is.
100% the purchasers fault for not doing due diligence and paying for a proper inspection.
Posted by: dpires914 Apr 25 2013, 06:29 PM
I see nothing in the ad to indicate that the seller falsified any information. The car was being sold as is.
100% the purchasers fault for not doing due diligence and paying for a proper inspection.
I agree with you Chris. It's always buyer beware. I just think saying that the hell hole only had surface rust was BS.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-15437-1365022455_thumb.jpg
Posted by: 76-914 Apr 25 2013, 06:36 PM
I just read that ad, also. 
Dude, the very top says New York. You gotta know that one. You wouldn't buy any John Wayne Movies from a guy named Liberace would you?
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 08:32 PM
Contact McMark at Original Customs, he's semi local (Sonoma) and very handy with sheet metal.
http://www.originalcustoms.com/
ok thanks dude!!! id love to keep her alive!!!!! : D
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 08:33 PM
Bill makes a good point about continuing with repairs, (and yes, I saw where your guy backed out). From Bills point of view; if this is a car that you love what would it cost in today's $$ to buy something close to it. 20K would be a steal. Plus knowing that the rust bug was put to sleep and you now have a nice car. My 2 cents; get a roller and transfer over you newly purchased bling along with the desirable parts from old Rusty. I saw one between Homeland and Hemet that appeared very nice in the jack points as well as other places I could see. Couldn't disassemble it on the side of the road.
His $ was 3500.00 but I bet you could get chisel him down to 2k or less. Point is that you can pick up a nice roller in SoCal and transfer your goodies to it in a few weekends. BTW, the seller isn't a member here, is he?is he is he is he???
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 08:36 PM
Ebay listing for item # 140918134363
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-S-GROUP-PORSCHE-914-2-0-/140918134363?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20cf60165b#v4-40
Adiokyro's other post
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=207510&hl=
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. It happened to me when I bought my first one and before I knew where to look.
Can't you shop around for other quotes?
yea thats the guy. i spoke with him, he deliberately mislead me and said he was certain the milaege was 55k but the odo was actually non op!
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 08:39 PM
I see nothing in the ad to indicate that the seller falsified any information. The car was being sold as is.
100% the purchasers fault for not doing due diligence and paying for a proper inspection.
um well dude I spoke with him on the phone and asked ALL the pertinant questions and he lied about it. sure you can say its my fault for believing him, but if someone is a lying dick, they are scumbags, my fault or not. Its a shame that I cannot talk to another grown man and get a straight story, thats what im saying.
Posted by: adiokyro Apr 25 2013, 08:43 PM
I just read that ad, also.
Dude, the very top says New York. You gotta know that one. You wouldn't buy any John Wayne Movies from a guy named Liberace would you?LOL!!!
well yea, I agree I am an idiot, if the 'porsche doctor' lived near me, he would probably be in the hospital and me in jail. But you know, really its all good. the people on this forum are super helpful and cool, Im going to make lemonade!!!!
Posted by: biosurfer1 Apr 25 2013, 09:17 PM
I'll try one more time ...
Nobody here has ever bought anything *from* eBay. You bought a car *through* eBay. Not the same ...
If you go to your local Saturday morning farmers market and you buy a unopened box of tomatoes from a vendor and you don't inspect them until you get home and then you find they're all rotten, do you then immediately go to city hall to try to get your money back from the city?
Because in the example above, city hall is just like eBay, they provide the marketplace for vendors and customers.
Displacing blame and responsibility onto eBay will not get you anywhere.
Instead, you should be going after the vendor who screwed you.
Ah but Andy, in this analogy would your stance change if city hall had guaranteed that if you bought the tomatoes from the farmers market, they would be as described or you would get your money back only to find out that because you bought green tomatoes instead of red, you cannot collect anything?
Because eBay makes that guarantee to make buyers feel safer, I believe they have skin in the game. All they have to do is put in bold letters on their website "Buyer beware, all sales are as-is with no warranties" and then they could be excused. The fact that they purposely jump in there makes them liable if you ask me.
Posted by: ConeDodger Apr 25 2013, 09:59 PM
Contact McMark at Original Customs, he's semi local (Sonoma) and very handy with sheet metal.
http://www.originalcustoms.com/
you need this evaluated by a 914 expert. McMark is your guy. He may be able to utilize some restoration designs panels and save it for you...
Posted by: carr914 Apr 25 2013, 10:00 PM
Ebay listing for item # 140918134363
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-S-GROUP-PORSCHE-914-2-0-/140918134363?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20cf60165b#v4-40
Adiokyro's other post
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=207510&hl=
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. It happened to me when I bought my first one and before I knew where to look.
Can't you shop around for other quotes?
Not to discredit the Buyer (& you are probably a 914 Neophyte), but looking at those Pictures in the eBay ad would have told me there was significant Rust and it was from NY. The Buyer is in CA the Home of Rust-Free cars and where they cut up cars that people in the Northeast would drool over
Posted by: kg6dxn Apr 25 2013, 10:25 PM
Not to discredit the Buyer (& you are probably a 914 Neophyte), but looking at those Pictures in the eBay ad would have told me there was significant Rust and it was from NY. The Buyer is in CA the Home of Rust-Free cars and where they cut up cars that people in the Northeast would drool over
There are many many many much nicer cars in that price point around here...
Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com)
© Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com)