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Posted by: Howard Dec 2 2004, 11:35 AM

Curious to see where this goes $$wise.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6430&item=4508505111&rd=1


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Posted by: boxstr Dec 2 2004, 11:46 AM

Checking bidders, 59racer is a really good friend.
CCLINSHILLBID

Posted by: Root_Werks Dec 2 2004, 12:37 PM

That is a nice color. Yeah, will have to watch this one.

Posted by: propricer Dec 2 2004, 02:54 PM

Owner seems to know car very well but he couldn't explain why the rear bumper was not original !!!

Posted by: type47 Dec 2 2004, 03:01 PM

nice.... right in my "backyard"...

nathan, john, justin, scott.... we need to check this thing out this weekend.....

Posted by: vortrex Dec 2 2004, 04:59 PM

owner wants $18k for it, which seems like not a bad price if you are looking for a stock 914-6 to keep this way.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 2 2004, 05:09 PM

One of the better represented cars Ive seen on the Evil bay

Posted by: ematulac Dec 2 2004, 07:33 PM

AAAaaarrgghhh!!

Am I mistaken, or is AA bidding on this car?

Posted by: Gint Dec 2 2004, 08:26 PM

I'll bet he gets close to his reserve, but not quite. This is one to watch if you're interested in clean original 6's.

Posted by: smdubovsky Dec 3 2004, 08:40 AM

Beat you guys too it again;) I went to see this car last weekend. He is a really nice car guy, but I couldn't see how it was worth even close to $18.

Disclaimer: These are my OPINIONs. I would still like to buy this car, but NOT @ $18k (I made him an offer). Plus, I like the color and its local.

My list of BIG nitpicks:
1) ~120kmiles on orig 2.0 that has no records of ever being apart (exhaust guides are SURE to be toasted - Im betting a full rebuild will be necessary (Its at B Andersons limit and 2x past due for a top end rebuild)) - also leaks around the front main seal area and some other places.
2) ALL weather seals are pretty well shot
3) paint - while "decent" its hardly a concourse paint job since its 20years old. Lots of small touchups on the hood, and my friend thought something didn't match on the passenger side door. A few sanding scratches can be seen through the paint so someone wasn't carefull when they resprayed it.

My guesstimates for fixing:
1) $5000
2) $1500 for pass compartment (+400 for others)
3) $4k+++

So, to get this car to "excellect" condition would take ~$11k + 18k asking = $29k for an "excellect" car (NOT concourse).

More OPINIONS:
1) Dash is "new" but wrinkled in the corners - looks like an overlay job
2) small dent in pass door top
3) pass door is too "high" and gets pulled down a little by the latch when it closes. I didn't do the big butt test (never put the roof on). It might not be orig and thus not mounted right (kind of supported by something being "off" on the paint on that side).
4) small tears on both door panels
5) Why repair the trunk? I saw the 2 pcs he cut out. Not rusted, only slightly dented. I would have spent the time straightening them out vs welding a patch in - to keep the car orig. BTW, why were they dented in the first place? It didn't look like the car had been hit, but I didn't get underneath to tell. His weld patch looks ok.
6) His paint job in the trunk/battery was good enough that I couldn't see easily where they stopped. Why do I always get nervous around people who can paint their own cars? Im sorry, but it makes me wonder if other stuff was repainted. BTW, He restores cars on the side (so he has the talent to hide stuff - not that he would, just that he has the ability.)
7) Hood has two small creases on the backside that were probably filled for the orig respray.
8) He has PRO-15'ed stuff under the car. Dunno if anything was bad, but overall the car LOOKED pretty darn rust free. I didn't take off the rockers or look in lightboxes or anything like that though. Didn't jack the car up either - just a good look in the wheel wells & trunks.
9) Didn't test lights, wipers, or heat system.
10) A quick "knock" on all the fender/door bottoms sounds good. I should have checked the pass rear area better since the trunk was repaired...
11) Front bumper has lots of little nicks. Looked "ok" and no rust yet, but its only been on the east coast <6 months;) The horn grills looked terrible.
12) 914-6 logo on trunk is silver not gold. Needs to be replaced/plated.
13) He has not confirmed its a #s matching car (never checked). Has COA, but I didn't look at the block either.
14) Has some of orig receipts, but last ~10yrs are missing. He also showed me only ~10 pages or so of receipts in a binder. I can generate more than that a year w/ my 911;) I would have expected a 30yr old car to have a 1" thick folder.
15) Cigarette lighter and some other knobs missing from dash (I remember at least 2 holes). Don't know if he has or not.

Propricer mentioned the rear bumper isn't orig. I did not detect that (not enough of a 914 expert yet;). It looked much shiner/newer than the front. That + the trunk repair job + the paint on the pass side make me really THINK that it has been hit in that corner. No proof, but if I have the chance to look at it again I will do a better inspection.

So, what do you guys think its worth now?

I like the car, but my conscience woudn't let me drive it w/o rebuilding the motor. It it fails and busts the orig case, then its value is ruined. I also don't want to be $5-10k over its "excellent" value when its all fixed. I could just buy Eric Sheas yellow car which Im sure has a damn near councours body.

SMD

Posted by: Gint Dec 3 2004, 09:03 AM

Nothing like a first hand impartial evaluation.

I will say this though; A rust free original 6 is worth some money. Not $18k as his ad alone would have supported now that we have a better description, but a rust free original 6 is a rare bird indeed. Not having to do rust repair adds significant value. Not that I know anything about that...

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 3 2004, 09:21 AM

Even closer to my backyard! If you want to set something up maybe we can meet up for a looksie. I need to be in Arlington by 3:30 to watch the JMU game at Roadside Grill on Saturday. Sunday might work. Let me know if you really want to look at it, I'm not in the market...I'm sure Justin could give it a real good lookover since he knows what a rust free orriginal looks like! Imagine that guys face if 4-5 914s come to look over his 6, haha

Posted by: type47 Dec 3 2004, 09:23 AM

mostly looking for an excuse to go out and play

Posted by: vortrex Dec 3 2004, 09:36 AM

yeah doesn't sound like it is worth $18k now based off your description. still probably pretty good but much nicer cars have sold for not a lot more. I'd say it is $15k max. he told me he has an offer already locally for $16.5k.

Posted by: smdubovsky Dec 3 2004, 10:26 AM

If you other guys that are local (and are much better 914 experts) can go check it out for a second opinion it would be appreciated.

I agree that being a rust free orig makes it more valuable, as does the orig documentation (because its just "neat"), but everything that detracts from that is $$$$$.

None of this may matter if it gets jacked way up on ebay;(

Tnx,
SMD

Posted by: Howard Dec 3 2004, 10:29 AM

Don't know about the rest of you guys, but if I ever want and expert opinion in MD, SMD gets my vote. Nice job and welcome to the funny farm.

Posted by: Gint Dec 3 2004, 04:38 PM

Already up to:

US $15,550.00 (Reserve not met)

with 3 days 3 hours to go.

Posted by: Red-Beard Dec 3 2004, 05:57 PM

The 914-6 badge was always silver/chrome

Posted by: smg914 Dec 3 2004, 09:51 PM

I'm gonna have to call you on that one. The color of the 914-6 rear script was never anything other than gold.

Posted by: Red-Beard Dec 3 2004, 10:04 PM

I have never seen a 914-6 with a gold 914-6 emblem.

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Dec 3 2004, 10:09 PM

I have had both on different cars. The gold has worn off most of them.

Posted by: skline Dec 3 2004, 10:15 PM

Here's one


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Posted by: skline Dec 3 2004, 10:16 PM

Another one


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Posted by: skline Dec 3 2004, 10:17 PM

Silver one


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Posted by: skline Dec 3 2004, 10:17 PM

Last one, It's gold and special


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Posted by: Red-Beard Dec 3 2004, 10:26 PM

Proof!

I'm standing next to the Blue 914/6 in the photo!!!

Posted by: Red-Beard Dec 3 2004, 10:28 PM

And the guy playing with the wheels, is the guy who sold me my 914/6

Posted by: vortrex Dec 4 2004, 11:40 AM

got to love ebay! this car is already at $20k with days left. the owner wanted $18k for it.

Posted by: vortrex Dec 6 2004, 07:52 PM

well it "sold" for $23,100. that's $5000 more than the owner wanted. the prices for 914's really have gone insane. soon it will be time to get into the 993 hobby, they'll be cheaper!

Posted by: boxstr Dec 6 2004, 08:04 PM

After checking the bid history, the seller needs to give a big thank you to 59racer and jb12b1, they both helped to take the bidding to a whole new level. Good work guys.
CCLINCANYSAYSHILL

Posted by: smdubovsky Dec 7 2004, 08:08 AM

Yeah, $23.1 is crazy (but you DO have to feel kind of stupid paying $5k more than the seller was asking. More power to the seller I guess.)

Its really bums me out though. I kind of liked the car (my offer was $15.5). Oh well, the search continues...

Do you guys REALLY think these /6 prices are justified or just a one (or two or three) time ebay anomaly? Im really sorry, but if its going to take $20k+ to buy a "good" /6 then I think Im going to turn my car buying $$$ elsewhere ;(

Off to sulk,
SMD

Posted by: type47 Dec 7 2004, 08:52 AM

smdubovsky, come to VA and see my 73... it has 911 brakes already and i'll throw in a 69T basket case engine.....

http://www.pca.org/mart/classifieds.pl ad #53

Posted by: smdubovsky Dec 7 2004, 09:11 AM

Jim, I can't find your ad. I assume its a conversion? Im really not looking for a conversion. If I buy a /4 it will stay a /4. (Don't want a project car either - I have PLENTY of projects already;)

I know of a cherry, one owner, signal orange, 73 2.0-4 but he's not quite ready to give it up just yet (trust me, I've asked;) Hes probably taking it to the parade next year. So thats my dream /4, and my search for a /6 continues...

You guys are great!
SMD