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Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 12:36 PM
Hello all, just wanted to share my soon to be future endeavor for the ground up rebuild of my beloved '72.
Here is my wants, needs and desires:
Going to flare it with the glass flares received the other day
Going to a CIS injection with a turbo setup--I am going to totally develope this system: the headers,, piping, intake plenum, as so forth.
It will unbelievable compact, nothing at all like you see from those other photos.
I absolutely must retain all the storage compartments for the intended use: the trunk must still hold my top, the front trunk must still hold my coleman beer cooler.
So I am also designing an oil cooler mount made of sandwich composite that will be place on the rear trunk top--going to be radical!!
Doing the chassis reinforcements:
Also swapping all the factory sway bars from my other car,
got the reinforced rear arms back the other day--a place called Nelson Brothers in Fort Lauderdale did them up for me---very high quality!!
Well, here goes nothing!!!
Oh, and I just got a new fujifilm digital, man that thing is nice!!!
--Oh crap--it won't let me upload the pics!!!!!! Can someone help me with this upload thingy????
wHEW! FINALLY GOT THEM TO UPLOAD!!!
Posted by: Mueller Dec 7 2004, 12:42 PM
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So I am also designing an oil cooler mount made of sandwich composite that will be place on the rear trunk top--going to be radical!!
not too sure I understand that one...you are going to mount the cooler on top of the rear trunk lid???
not too sure how well the air flows over the rear trunk lid...someone posted pictures of a 914 in a windtunnel, might have to search for it now....
Posted by: teenrookie Dec 7 2004, 12:44 PM
That is great!! I was just sitting in my car last night reading the rules and regulations for POR's different classes and wondering what I am going to do.
Your experience will be very encouraging to me.
I will definately watch your thread.
Posted by: Rhodes71/914 Dec 7 2004, 12:47 PM
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Oh crap--it won't let me upload the pics!!!!!! Can someone help me with this upload thingy????
Don't preview your post.
make sure that the file size is small enogh, less than 300kb. If you are on dial upanything over 100kb takes to long for the system.
that's my experience anyway.
Posted by: Jeroen Dec 7 2004, 12:58 PM
resize your pics to about 800x600 pixels then compress them to something below 100kB
if that don't work... RTFFAQ
Posted by: Mueller Dec 7 2004, 01:00 PM
QUOTE(teenrookie @ Dec 7 2004, 11:44 AM)
That is great!! I was just sitting in my car last night reading the rules and regulations for POR's different classes and wondering what I am going to do.
Your experience will be very encouraging to me.
I will definately watch your thread.
just remember he is in FL...different rules might apply...also make sure you do some research into all of the modifications you see people doing here...such as the rear trailing arm mods he did....extra unsprung weight (a bad thing) and mostly deemed un-needed until you are running 12" slicks and 400hp
jwalters...you going to totally strip the chassis and acid dip it???
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:15 PM
QUOTE(Mueller @ Dec 7 2004, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(teenrookie @ Dec 7 2004, 11:44 AM)
That is great!! I was just sitting in my car last night reading the rules and regulations for POR's different classes and wondering what I am going to do.
Your experience will be very encouraging to me.
I will definately watch your thread.
just remember he is in FL...different rules might apply...also make sure you do some research into all of the modifications you see people doing here...such as the rear trailing arm mods he did....extra unsprung weight (a bad thing) and mostly deemed un-needed until you are running 12" slicks and 400hp
jwalters...you going to totally strip the chassis and acid dip it???
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:16 PM
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Dec 7 2004, 10:58 AM)
resize your pics to about 800x600 pixels then compress them to something below 100kB
if that don't work... RTFFAQ
The lowest setting is 1240-900, I think--how in the hell can I change all this once I got them uploaded to my 'puter????
Posted by: Headrage Dec 7 2004, 01:19 PM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 11:15 AM)
going to be all elbow grease in my front yard
Next to the couch and B-B-Q?
Posted by: Mueller Dec 7 2004, 01:21 PM
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My arms flexed allot, even with 195/55's on them...the on/off gas understeer was incredible---unsprung weight be damned---I want it tight!!
it was not the trailing arms you felt twisting...now the mountings and bushings you might have felt give, but not the trailing arms....throw them back on with everything 100% the same and you'll get the exact handleing.......
download IrfanView, it's free....you can resize the pictures for posting onto this site...it supposed be someplace here, but I just did a google search and downloaded it from someplace else.....
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:32 PM
what type does it need to be??? GIF, JPEG, what type???
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2004, 01:32 PM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 11:16 AM)
how in the hell can I change all this once I got them uploaded to my 'puter????
like jeroen said ...
RTFFAQhttp://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=SF&f=16
Andy
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:34 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 7 2004, 11:32 AM)
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 11:16 AM)
how in the hell can I change all this once I got them uploaded to my 'puter????
like jeroen said ...
RTFFAQhttp://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=SF&f=16
Andy
I KNOW THAT---HOW DO I DO THAT????????
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2004, 01:35 PM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 11:32 AM)
what type does it need to be??? GIF, JPEG, what type???
gif is only good for lineart, logos and such.
photos should always be JPG ...
shrink the pics to something like 640 x 480 and save them as medium compression jpegs ...
that should reduce the filesize to around ~30k, which is perfect for uploading here ...
Andy
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2004, 01:35 PM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 11:34 AM)
I KNOW THAT---HOW DO I DO THAT????????
do what? reading the FAQ ????
Andy
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:45 PM
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Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:47 PM
Holy crap!!!!!! I cannot believe how many sub folders I had to move this one image to just to get it resized....
And to think technology is supposed to help us------------screw that--that is exactly why I own this car........only need twelve items in my tool bag to fix most anything on it!!!!!!
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:49 PM
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Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:50 PM
The Skunk Works!!!
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Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 01:51 PM
POWER!!!!! UNGH,,UNGH,,,UNGHHHHHHHHHHH (KNUCKLES SCRAPING THE FLOOR)
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Posted by: ClayPerrine Dec 7 2004, 01:54 PM
Methinks I see a case of DWD coming on.....
Step away from the 914 and you won't suffer like I have.............
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 02:04 PM
QUOTE(Mueller @ Dec 7 2004, 10:42 AM)
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So I am also designing an oil cooler mount made of sandwich composite that will be place on the rear trunk top--going to be radical!!
not too sure I understand that one...you are going to mount the cooler on top of the rear trunk lid???
not too sure how well the air flows over the rear trunk lid...someone posted pictures of a 914 in a windtunnel, might have to search for it now....
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE PICS!!!! Could show some good data on how well the engine is able to breath and cool itself!!!
Posted by: brant Dec 7 2004, 02:05 PM
Wow...
wow, wow, wow,
nice work.
nice pictures...
just my opinions:
do some research on oil cooler placement. If that turbo is pounding out the HP, its gonna need some heat management too and lots of people have been there and tried everything in regards to oil cooler placement. You'll get MUCH better oil temp efficiency with a front cooler.
I have the kit on my trailing arms. I have been told by people I trust to definitely use the kit on a race car. But people that replied are right... your not feeling your arms flex in a street environment. I don't think you can feel them flex in a race environment... Probably your bushings or something else.. I'm not saying to ditch the kit, I'm just saying to do all of it (bushings) while your there....
Nice work.
keep it up
brant
Posted by: jwalters Dec 7 2004, 02:08 PM
You and I should go for a ride in south florida sometime---with me driving-----I will show you what rear arm flexion is all about!!!!! ughhhhhhhh
Posted by: Randal Dec 7 2004, 02:28 PM
Looks like you got your picture problem solved. I found the easiest way to resize pictures was to use a photo editor like this one that you can download for free: http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html
Once the editor is downloaded you can re-size your digital pictures easily.
Of course you have to get the pictures into your computer which can be fun the first time you try.
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Feel free to ask questions, I invite it!!!
OK, so what is the basic setup? Give us some tidbits on how it will work/look.
Posted by: mikerose Dec 7 2004, 02:38 PM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 12:20 PM)
...get ready my fellow 914philes---you WILL see a drop-in turbo setup very soon, and keep ALL of your trunk spaces!!!! Feel free to ask questions, I invite it!!!
And all for under 500.00
Posted by: brant Dec 7 2004, 04:27 PM
225hp is a lot..
I have not built a turbo so my opinion means dirt...
but wouldn't doubling a stock 1.8 output be pretty good for a street motor?
brant
Posted by: jwalters Dec 8 2004, 09:17 AM
QUOTE(brant @ Dec 7 2004, 02:27 PM)
225hp is a lot..
I have not built a turbo so my opinion means dirt...
but wouldn't doubling a stock 1.8 output be pretty good for a street motor?
brant
You hit the nail on the head with that one Brant!!!
Just look at the new lotus elise--190 hp, midengined, 4 wheel independant sus, 4 wheel disc brakes...come to think of it--THAT CAR IS ALMOST A RIPOFF OF A 30+ YEAR OLD 914!!!!!
It is all about balance---this is how Porsche won so many checkereds!!! They were almost always down on power to the competition--but they handled and had BALANCE!
So that is why I am doing this endeavor,, to keep the balance--no cooling units of any kind are taking up any space in either of my trunks!
And my engine will be open to work on and tune--it will not be cobbled up with piping!!
Posted by: jwalters Dec 8 2004, 09:35 AM
QUOTE(Randal @ Dec 7 2004, 12:28 PM)
Looks like you got your picture problem solved. I found the easiest way to resize pictures was to use a photo editor like this one that you can download for free: http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html
Once the editor is downloaded you can re-size your digital pictures easily.
Of course you have to get the pictures into your computer which can be fun the first time you try.
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Feel free to ask questions, I invite it!!!
OK, so what is the basic setup? Give us some tidbits on how it will work/look.
Well, picture how a fellow did his turbo setup recently--he ran the pipes from the collector back to the left side of the engine where he mounted the turbo---9+ feet of pipe is not the way to go for a truely hi-po setup--but that gentleman did a fine job and goes to show just how badly people want to turbo!!!
My turbo set up will be in the same location--I am completely remaking the aft engine bulkhead out of 060 aluminum with some more setback, the compressor will be mounted on the engine compartment side to segregate the hot section from the engine compartment.
That much is dead simple--the trick is designing an exhaust that maintains a high level of "Velocity", flow is important--but in a turbo setup velocity is the key element.
You see, there are only two types of turbine blades made: Impact, and Reaction. In a turbo, 90% of the blade shape is impact, which translates into velocity--you could push 1000 cfm thru that turbine at low velocity and nothing will happen---push 300 cfm thru it approaching the speed of sound and things get very powerful indeed
So in my exhaust I have to apply aerospace know-how to keep the velocity high and unemcumbered---remember, all turbos were born out of aircraft turbine engines--that is what they are--they just do not burn fuel inside them.
The next trick is getting that compressed air to the intake valves--the plenum I have cooking up will NEGATE any need for ANY type of aftercooler. Thru careful design using a series of ducts called : " Divergent and Convergent" These ducts, sized and shaped properly inside the plenum will momentarily decrease the pressure , ( which has a strong cooling component, and then recapture the flow and return it to pressure) this is also a big trick and is not to be taken lightly. But look at any turbine engine inlet on any aircraft and you will see this very theory at work. The inner edge of the inlet is SMALLER than the fan itself--were it not for this--the engine would not work due to supersonic flow seperation.
So, In a nutshell---This setup will be the most high tech piece of sheet metal out there---amd you will still be able to change your plugs w/o removing any of the intake components, and you will be able to adjust your valves , change the oil, etc. w/o taking off the exhaust.
JW
Posted by: Jeroen Dec 8 2004, 11:23 AM
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 10:08 PM)
with me driving-----I will show you what rear arm flexion is all about
the powdercoated parts look nice, but why didn't you weld the swaybar u-tabs to the a-arms?
Posted by: jwalters Dec 8 2004, 11:39 AM
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Dec 8 2004, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(jwalters @ Dec 7 2004, 10:08 PM)
with me driving-----I will show you what rear arm flexion is all about
the powdercoated parts look nice, but why didn't you weld the swaybar u-tabs to the a-arms?
Thanks for the cool remark--but get this--they are NOT powdercoated!!!!
It is a new type of spray paint--3 stage-called "anodized look"
It starts with an adhesion promoter--then the base coat, this coat is a brilliant silver metallic finish (also good enough to be the top coat!!) then the color coat goes on--the color coat is absolutley striking--even the pics here do not show the brilliance.
It is transparent-yet colored--gives the true visualization of depth,,the metallic coat looks as if it is under colored water--I am sold on this stuff.
OH, by the way, the brand name is Dupli-color and I got mine from DAPS
If you use is---you must shake the ever loving crap out of the color can / or else it will spatter and have coloring distortions.
I sent a letter to the company requesting this stuff in quart cans to be professionally sprayed--I am going to do my entire car with it>
The reason why I did not weld them is this way, I can shim under the mount for proper pre-load w/o having to shell out 100+ bucks for the turnbuckle ones.
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