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Posted by: 914itis Aug 19 2013, 05:51 PM
As some of you may know already, I picked up an original 914-6 motor and will be replacing my 2.0l 4. on my phoenix red
I know ths s not a big 3.2, but this s a cool upgrade for me.
So far I have located all the extra components to complete this conversion.
Engine tins
headers
muffler - triad
oil cooler
oil tank -Velios with filler neck and dipstick
bell crank for transmission to carbs
I will be looking for the oil lines.
If I am missing anything please give me your expertise.
A picture or oil lines diagram will be helpful.
The first thing i would like to do is bench test it.
As always, all advices are welcome and appreciated
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=217717&hl=
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=216773&hl=
Thanks
Paul 
Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 19 2013, 06:05 PM
Very cool and exciting. Looking forward to following the work as it progresses. Have fun.
Posted by: Porschef Aug 19 2013, 07:17 PM
I don't think it's gonna work. Besides, I don't think it's gonna fit.
Get rid of it
Posted by: r_towle Aug 19 2013, 07:22 PM
Bench test it with the oil tank attached correctly, and make sure the tank is at the correct height.
Then, spin the motor without plugs to get oil into the motor first, then put in the plugs and fire it up.
Posted by: 914itis Aug 19 2013, 07:27 PM
Joe,
I know it will fit on yours. Come and get it, you are only 45 miles away
Rich, thanks for the advise, what kind of oil should I use in this? Still brad-penn?
Posted by: Porschef Aug 19 2013, 07:34 PM
Really, that's sweet. Enjoyed the looks of all the folks doing double takes on the parkway w two teeners buzzing by...
Posted by: mepstein Aug 19 2013, 09:02 PM
As some of you may know already, I picked up an original 914-6 motor and will be replacing my 2.0l 4. on my phoenix red
I know ths s not a big 3.2, but this s a cool upgrade for me.
So far I have located all the extra components to complete this conversion.
Engine tins
headers
muffler - triad
oil cooler
oil tank -Velios with filler neck and dipstick
bell crank for transmission to carbs
I will be looking for the oil lines.
If I am missing anything please give me your expertise.
A picture or oil lines diagram will be helpful.
The first thing i would like to do is bench test it.
As always, all advices are welcome and appreciated
Thanks
Paul
Motor mount, tach or tach adaptor, oil pressure and temp gauge, heat block off tins, clutch/flywheel - maybe. heavier rear springs - possibly.
Posted by: mepstein Aug 19 2013, 09:03 PM
sorry, double post
Posted by: 914itis Aug 19 2013, 09:09 PM
Got the bulkhead motor mount with all hardware.
My current oil temp gauge Will not work ? Who sells the tach adapters?
Clutch / flywheel?
The flywheel is currently in there (oops! I think) do I need a different one?
Posted by: 914itis Aug 19 2013, 09:15 PM
Really, that's sweet. Enjoyed the looks of all the folks doing double takes on the parkway w two teeners buzzing by...
Joe, we need to do this more often.
Posted by: 914itis Aug 21 2013, 08:26 PM
I took a good look at the motor again today, flywheel clutch and pressure plate are All there. They all seem to be in great shape.
I am missing every oil line. Does anyone have a diagram of the oil lines from motor to cooler then oil tank and returns?
Do I need to cut ant holes to install the stock oil tank?
I am sure this is just the beginning if the questions.
Thanks
Posted by: mepstein Aug 21 2013, 08:38 PM
I took a good look at the motor again today, flywheel clutch and pressure plate are All there. They all seem to be in great shape.
I am missing every oil line. Does anyone have a diagram of the oil lines from motor to cooler then oil tank and returns?
Do I need to cut ant holes to install the stock oil tank?
I am sure this is just the beginning if the questions.
Thanks
Search - there are many posts about oil lines and cutting the oil tank area. Read up on all the conversion threads and you'll be ready. PET should also show all the parts.
Posted by: 914itis Aug 27 2013, 06:08 PM
8/27
I have located all the parts,
Muffler and gauges arrived today.
I wanted to go with the EVO, but I got a great deal on this from a member here.
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Posted by: r_towle Aug 27 2013, 07:13 PM
Yes, you need to cut holes for the tank.
If you get one from Patrick motors ports, I bet they will have a diagram for you.
Posted by: 914itis Sep 3 2013, 09:29 PM
More parts arrived last weekend
Moving along ..,,
Motor mount
Posted by: 914itis Sep 3 2013, 09:32 PM
Sheet metal / tins
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Posted by: 914itis Sep 3 2013, 09:36 PM
Bell crank
I also received the oil tank and accessories .
I am waiting for the o lines and oil cooler and headers all expected to be here by the 12th.
Posted by: 914itis Sep 22 2013, 10:07 AM
September update
Removed all fan and pulley for cleanup and powder coated.
I built a bench to elevate the motor
Installed Headers
Installed Triad Muffler
checked compression (all between 180-184)
How wired engine for bench start http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=220365&hl=
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Posted by: Luke M Sep 22 2013, 10:23 AM
You may want to install or not run the engine too long with that right rear tin missing.
Posted by: 914itis Sep 22 2013, 10:25 AM
You may want to install or not run the engine too long with that right rear tin missing.
Thanks, was 30 seconds.
Posted by: 914itis Sep 29 2013, 08:18 PM
I removed the 2.0 on preparation for the six,
I rwmoved the proportionimg valve and replaced it with a T
Place the bulkhead in place.
Next, I will be drilling and welding.
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Posted by: Kraftwerk Sep 29 2013, 10:26 PM
Paul,
Looks like another fun project.
I have my car on the road again.
jt
Posted by: Justinp71 Sep 29 2013, 10:29 PM
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Posted by: 914itis Sep 29 2013, 11:56 PM
Paul,
Looks like another fun project.
I have my car on the road again.
jt
Jt, glad to hear that you are on the rod again? I didn't know your car was off the road .
What was wrong this time?
Posted by: bcheney Sep 30 2013, 06:26 AM
All the best with your conversion. I completed mine last year. Have an original 914/6 Case rebuilt with 2.2 PC's, E cams, larger valves, weber 40 IDA 3C1's, MSD, stock distributor with points, headers and Leistritz sport muffler. It's a lot of fun to drive! You can see my build thread (bcheney six conversion).
Posted by: barefoot Sep 30 2013, 08:36 AM
I removed the 2.0 on preparation for the six,
I rwmoved the proportionimg valve and replaced it with a T
Place the bulkhead in place.
Next, I will be drilling and welding.
What's the reason to delete the proportioning valve for a 6, just curious.
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 08:46 AM
The bulkhead motor mount will not fit with the portioning valve.
In addition, I was told that using a T improves the rear braking system.
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Sep 30 2013, 10:49 AM
The bulkhead motor mount will not fit with the portioning valve.
In addition, I was told that using a T improves the rear braking system.
Or you can remove the late valve and lines and replace them with the early ones!! Thats what I did!
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Posted by: Kraftwerk Sep 30 2013, 09:20 PM
Paul,
Multiple little things.. runs better than ever now. Love it.
How is that 2.0 engine, is it looking for a good home?
Seems like your projects keep on keeping on!
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 10:15 PM
JT,
The 2.0 is great, good compression, no leaks no issues. I would like to keep it but I have no room. I am still debating, It is plug and play> If you are interested, We can talk.
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 30 2013, 10:19 PM
I removed the 2.0 on preparation for the six,
I rwmoved the proportionimg valve and replaced it with a T
Place the bulkhead in place.
Next, I will be drilling and welding.
Ooooooo! Don't let Eric see that!
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 10:31 PM
I removed the 2.0 on preparation for the six,
I rwmoved the proportionimg valve and replaced it with a T
Place the bulkhead in place.
Next, I will be drilling and welding.
Ooooooo! Don't let Eric see that!
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 10:39 PM
Spent a few hours today, I managed to cut and install the oil tank> was a bit easier than I anticipated.
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Posted by: Jeffs9146 Sep 30 2013, 10:43 PM
Don't forget to attach the bottom oil line before bolting it in! It can't be done after installation! 
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 10:59 PM
oops! I didn't 
Posted by: 914itis Sep 30 2013, 11:02 PM
I need a picture showing the routing for the top oil line to the cooler.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=221201&hl=
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 1 2013, 06:37 AM
I need a picture showing the routing for the top oil line to the cooler.
Do you have an external cooler or are you asking for the line that runs to the stock cooler? The line to the stock cooler is the bottom one that you didn't install!
Posted by: 914itis Oct 1 2013, 06:41 AM
I need a picture showing the routing for the top oil line to the cooler.
Do you have an external cooler or are you asking for the line that runs to the stock cooler? The line to the stock cooler is the bottom one that you didn't install!
Correction. I meant the one from the block to the tank.
Thanks.
Posted by: BKLA Oct 1 2013, 01:33 PM
Paul -
Pelican has images.... not entirely accurate for a -6 though.
here's an image from the porsche catalog. free download from porsche...
http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/originalparts/en/E_914_KATALOG.pdf
Hope that helps!
Posted by: SLITS Oct 1 2013, 02:51 PM
After you pull the tank again to install the first section of the suction hose, angle it very slightly towards the inner wheelhouse or it will interfere with the rocker panel.
There's a thread about making the hook to weld to support the two piece line.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 1 2013, 03:09 PM
Thanks Slitts, I have a 120 degree elbow adapter to the tank.
On another note, what do i do with the breather port out of the filler neck?
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 1 2013, 03:19 PM
Thanks Slitts, I have a 120 degree elbow adapter to the tank.
On another note, what do i do with the breather port out of the filler neck?
Other people do this with more class than I did but it works for now!
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Posted by: 914itis Oct 1 2013, 03:33 PM
It works, right?
Posted by: SLITS Oct 1 2013, 03:48 PM
Thanks Slitts, I have a 120 degree elbow adapter to the tank.
On another note, what do i do with the breather port out of the filler neck?
To a catch bottle if you are using carbs or to the filter element of the carbs. If you have the stock air filter set up it connects to it. On a CIS setup it connects to the airbox.
I assume you have the hose that runs from the tank breather connected to the breather on the engine.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 1 2013, 04:03 PM
Correct, I am using carbs. And your assumption is correct.
I guest I need a catch can
Posted by: Kirmizi Oct 1 2013, 08:09 PM
I removed the 2.0 on preparation for the six,
I rwmoved the proportionimg valve and replaced it with a T
Place the bulkhead in place.
Next, I will be drilling and welding.
Ooooooo! Don't let Eric see that!
IIRC the proportioning valve is there to prevent rear wheel lock-up during heavy braking.
I'm sure Eric will be here soon to explain, but if not, there's a really good thread where he described how it functions.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 1 2013, 08:50 PM
My guess is you'll have the car back on the road and running by Halloween
Don't see why not.
The oil tank kicked my a$&$. It took me aBout 4 hours to install it back with the oil line attached. I had to modify the rocker panel
I also managed to complete the installation of the bulkhead motor mount.
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Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 1 2013, 11:56 PM
Where is that photo and what line is that? It looks like it is going to the front.
It looks like you are not running your bottom line to the "factory oil cooler", are you running a front cooler?
Posted by: 914itis Oct 2 2013, 06:22 AM
Where is that photo and what line is that? It looks like it is going to the front.
It looks like you are not running your bottom line to the "factory oil cooler", are you running a front cooler?
No, this is the driver's side rear fender well, line is facing back going to the engine.
For some reasons my iPhone keeps flipping the pictures when u upload it
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 2 2013, 09:45 AM
This is what the routing of the line from the very bottom of the tank should look like!
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Posted by: 914itis Oct 2 2013, 10:09 AM
This is what the routing of the line from the very bottom of the tank should look like!
But remember, I am using a velios tank with AN lines and fittings
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 2 2013, 10:36 AM
I think I would have gone straight down and put a 90 so you can drain your tank without having to touch the oil cooler fitting!
Whatever works for you!
Posted by: 914itis Oct 2 2013, 12:12 PM
Look like you are using metric fitting. I am using AN. I taught of the idea of not having to remove the line at the cooler to drain the oil but Patrick motorsports afvidef me in the lines and I taught that was the norm. I would not take that thank back out unless necessary.
I will call them to see of there is a coupler that I can use.
I appreciate and welcome all comments and ideas.
Here ia another pic.
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Posted by: 914itis Oct 3 2013, 09:15 PM
Put on a few more hours today.
I replaced the fork seals at the transmission, installed clutch, bearings and attached the transmission,
I also installed the bell crank and get the engine bay ready for a fresh coat of paint.
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Posted by: 914itis Oct 6 2013, 08:02 PM
I got quite a few things done this weekend.
I prepped the engine bay for installation with a fresh coat of paint, cleaned up the wires .....
and engine is placed on the bay, just needs to be bolted.
Posted by: Phil Plummer Oct 6 2013, 08:36 PM
All the best with your conversion. I completed mine last year. Have an original 914/6 Case rebuilt with 2.2 PC's, E cams, larger valves, weber 40 IDA 3C1's, MSD, stock distributor with points, headers and Leistritz sport muffler. It's a lot of fun to drive! You can see my build thread (bcheney six conversion).
The hardest part of the conversion was the oil lines and things for my 3.0 going in after that it wasn't too bad.
Iam no mechanic so I wouldn't do it again. but it was very satisfying and rewarding.
I found a 2nd gen Mazda rx7 oil cooler is nearly the same demensions as a Porsche front chin oil cooler only a few mm difference and can be found a@ carid.com
Posted by: 914itis Oct 9 2013, 08:37 AM
Motor is bolted on , all axles, oil lines and cables are attached.
Installed the shift rod and encountered an issue.
Here is the thread.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=221890&st=0&gopid=1938101&#entry1938101
Posted by: shawn914 Oct 9 2013, 05:15 PM
I have the same Triad exhaust for my project. Question: as shown in your images of the engine on the stand and the later image as the engine is bolted in, is the exhaust mounted right? Images I see have it the other way around.
Just asking since I am following your project - speedy that it is. and will find myself setting it up too.
Shawn
examples:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=114280
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=109255
Posted by: JmuRiz Oct 9 2013, 06:31 PM
Good point, his muffler is upside down.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 9 2013, 07:06 PM
Yes it was, but has been corrected after noticed that only had 4 inches clearance from the floor .
Thanks.
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Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 9 2013, 07:12 PM
Paul the oil line on the lower front of the oil tank in the engine bay needs to go through the sheet metal just right of the oil tank...and go under the sheet metal to connect to the line from the engine ..
Posted by: 914itis Oct 9 2013, 07:31 PM
Shift linkage is modified and installed.
Another set back today, after filling the tank I noticed that there are two pin holes in the tank.
Purchased it from a member here and he refuses to take it back....... To be continued .
It's going to be tough to get another one in there with the motor in there.
Posted by: r_towle Oct 9 2013, 07:34 PM
Radiator shop can braze it for you cheap.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 9 2013, 07:35 PM
Paul the oil line on the lower front of the oil tank in the engine bay needs to go through the sheet metal just right of the oil tank...and go under the sheet metal to connect to the line from the engine ..
Thanks, it is going thru the sheet metal and connected. I had to drill the hole.
Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 9 2013, 07:42 PM
I have welded a few of the last vellious tanks, because of pin holes, no biggy just inconvient
Posted by: 914itis Oct 11 2013, 08:32 PM
I started with the electrical part today. Modified the harness and new battery terminals.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=221661&st=0&gopid=1939423&#entry1939423
Posted by: 914itis Oct 12 2013, 07:58 PM
Installed a new oil tank from Patrick motorsports, what a great unit. Hooked up all oil lines and test all modified electrical wires.
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Posted by: 914itis Oct 14 2013, 04:12 PM
Correct!
Do you know of a good radiator place local?
Posted by: 914itis Oct 14 2013, 09:37 PM
Engine started and still sound great. I has a few minor issues, one was with the fuel filter, the other one was a broken plug wire (cylinder #3), I had it replaced.
Adjusted the shift linkage.
Most wires are sorted out with the exception of the battery warming light wire.
Time to put back the interior.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 15 2013, 09:23 PM
After a few adjustments , I went for a drive. How sweet is the sound of a SIX!
Runs great , so far but those carbs are loud. The motor sounds like A turbine, Is that normal?
Posted by: rmital Oct 16 2013, 11:03 AM
After a few adjustments , I went for a drive. How sweet is the sound of a SIX!
Runs great , so far but those carbs are loud. The motor sounds like A turbine, Is that normal?
so...what did this take you? About 4 weeks after you dropped the 2.0L out of the car????
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 16 2013, 12:40 PM
Mine sounded like that when I first started it. Turned out to be a fan belt!
Posted by: injunmort Oct 16 2013, 12:52 PM
nice job paul, that must be a record conversion
Posted by: 914itis Oct 16 2013, 01:39 PM
Mine sounded like that when I first started it. Turned out to be a fan belt!
Jeff, was there something wrong with the fan? Or you just got used to it.
Posted by: SLITS Oct 16 2013, 01:53 PM
I use solid chain tensioners and it sounds like a turbine. I love it!
Posted by: Jeffs9146 Oct 16 2013, 03:23 PM
Mine sounded like that when I first started it. Turned out to be a fan belt!
Jeff, was there something wrong with the fan? Or you just got used to it.
I replaced the belt and all was good! It was more of a high pitch wine! You can hear it in this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVYNV01K-U&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: 914itis Oct 16 2013, 03:57 PM
That's the same noise I getting. My belt is brand new from pelican. My tensioner is also from a carera s, it may be that.
I will post a video later.
Posted by: 914itis Oct 16 2013, 10:13 PM
http://youtu.be/AGSOymYJkbE
Posted by: Kraftwerk Oct 18 2013, 09:03 PM
Congrats Paul, it sounds fantastic!
Posted by: mepstein Oct 18 2013, 09:06 PM
Congrats!
Posted by: 914itis Oct 18 2013, 10:17 PM
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 19 2013, 05:23 AM
do you notice any performance increases over your 4 cylinder?
sounds like a 914 should 
Posted by: 914itis Oct 19 2013, 07:11 AM
do you notice any performance increases over your 4 cylinder?
sounds like a 914 should
It's a whole different world.
Posted by: 914itis Nov 1 2013, 10:02 PM
it has been a fewe weks since i last updated this thread.
I was working on the electical details and getting the interior back together.
I had to modify the haness for the combo gauge ( oil pressure. oil temp and fuel) rted out and is working fine. got it all soted out.
with that, I can say that my conversion is complete![font=Courier New][size=4]
Special thanks to all who took their time to answer all my questions and helped.
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Posted by: 914itis Nov 2 2013, 08:06 AM
Now go and finish up the green one
That's in the plan.
Posted by: jm993rs Nov 2 2013, 10:03 AM
Look like you are using metric fitting. I am using AN. I taught of the idea of not having to remove the line at the cooler to drain the oil but Patrick motorsports afvidef me in the lines and I taught that was the norm. I would not take that thank back out unless necessary.
I will call them to see of there is a coupler that I can use.
I appreciate and welcome all comments and ideas.
Here ia another pic.
Please this is one vellios oil tank ????
I search for mount in my car one aftermarket oil tank for is more cheap !!!
Posted by: tscrihfield Nov 2 2013, 10:26 AM
Heck yeah! Sounds like beautiful music! Good work man!
Posted by: 914itis Nov 2 2013, 10:51 AM
Heck yeah! Sounds like beautiful music! Good work man!
Thanks
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